Interesting tidbit about Joe E. & Elvis' death

[ksimms2]

http://elvisdecoded.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html

Read this blog. There is a part in it about Joe E. reporting to Jerry Weintraub minutes after finding Elvis dead....and it completely goes against what Joe E. tells the public about trying to resucitate (sp?) Elvis, etc.

This blog is by Patrick who wrote Elvis Decoded - breaking the myth's that have surrounded Elvis' life - basically all the stuff we discuss here. I do want to get this book - do any of you have it? Make sure and read about Joe E. and Weintraub.

Hope this doesn't offend anyone.

[jak]

I wouldnt place to much importance on it.Most of these things are just due to bad memory.That was a long time ago and a very stresfull situation.They tried to revive him for so long because he was Elvis Presley.Dr Nick has stated it was obvious Elvis was dead when he got there.He thought he might have heard some air move in Elvis' lungs that offered just a little hope.Even Marion Cocke said it was obvious he was dead.She was in the room.I wouldnt say that Weintraub's recollections of these couldnt be off also.There is no great mystery lurking in those comments.
Jak

[Getlo]

They tried to revive him for so long because he was Elvis Presley. He thought he might have heard some air move in Elvis' lungs that offered just a little hope.

Yeah. The whole stress of the situation has muddled many memories.

As for air moving in the lungs, it would've been simply a case of the trapped air being expunged as Elvis' body was turned over. No biggie.

Also, some time would have been taken to clean up the bathroom and the house of any evidence of drugs: syringes, vials etc ... not to mention replacing the book Elvis was reading with The Scientific Search For The Face of Jesus.

Elvis collapsed and died ... metres from the crapper ... in the bathroom.

[ksimms2]

I just find it odd that Joe called Jerry almost immediately after finding Elvis' body - after telling everyone that he tried performing CPR, etc. for a while until paramedics got there. This time line does not support that theory. Oh well, I thought it was interesting....

[jak]

Yeah. The whole stress of the situation has muddled many memories.

As for air moving in the lungs, it would've been simply a case of the trapped air being expunged as Elvis' body was turned over. No biggie.

Also, some time would have been taken to clean up the bathroom and the house of any evidence of drugs: syringes, vials etc ... not to mention replacing the book Elvis was reading with The Scientific Search For The Face of Jesus.

Elvis collapsed and died ... metres from the crapper ... in the bathroom.

The housekeepers have stated they were instructed to toss out the evidence of his drug usage.That's the only cover up.
Jak

[cameron]

I have his book. He just tried to cover too much IMO.
IF you haven't studied Elvis and all the assorted people and stories. you can get lost . He makes some good points , but IMO. he should have written about 3 books instead of trying to put it all in one.

He covers many of the stories including the illigitament children, fake Lisa etc.etc. :blink:
He also gives everyones answers to things. {they contradict each other }
At the end of each he gives you his opinion of what's true and what isn't. ;)

[jak]

I just find it odd that Joe called Jerry almost immediately after finding Elvis' body - after telling everyone that he tried performing CPR, etc. for a while until paramedics got there. This time line does not support that theory. Oh well, I thought it was interesting....

I cant recall the details of the cpr thing.Maybe Joe was just shaken when he said it?That's understandable.The pressure and stress must have been immense.When he was found Elvis wouldnt have been able to have cpr.I believe he was already to stiff for that.Nick has said Elvis had been gone for some time when he was discovered.
Jak

[ksimms2]

I cant recall the details of the cpr thing.Maybe Joe was just shaken when he said it?That's understandable.The pressure and stress must have been immense.When he was found Elvis wouldnt have been able to have cpr.I believe he was already to stiff for that.Nick has said Elvis had been gone for some time when he was discovered.
Jak

I don't see how you can forget whether you gave someone cpr or not....that part doesn't make sense....I'm just saying the whole scenario doesn't make sense surrounding the discovery of his body on......too many inconsistencies. I'm sure they did do a sweep of the room, like they always did his hotel rooms, getting rid of any evidence he left behind of his drug usage. I guess you could say even in death, they were looking out for him.

[jak]

I don't see how you can forget whether you gave someone cpr or not....that part doesn't make sense....I'm just saying the whole scenario doesn't make sense surrounding the discovery of his body on......too many inconsistencies. I'm sure they did do a sweep of the room, like they always did his hotel rooms, getting rid of any evidence he left behind of his drug usage. I guess you could say even in death, they were looking out for him.

I dont know how you would react in that situation.Personally I dont know of any great mysteries surrounding the scene of death.The house being in pandemonium upon the discovery accounts for most I think.
Jak

[presley31]

I read that it was aunt delta and nancy rooks that cleaned that room.

[ksimms2]

I read that it was aunt delta and nancy rooks that cleaned that room.

Is that from Nancy's book, "Inside Graceland"? I really want to read that book. I'm reading Albert Goldman's book now and so far not too good....he really over exaggerates alot of stuff. But I figured I'd get his view just like all the others that I've read.

[cameron]

I read that it was aunt delta and nancy rooks that cleaned that room.

Yes, it's what Nancy Rooks said. I have her book too.

[jak]

Is that from Nancy's book, "Inside Graceland"? I really want to read that book. I'm reading Albert Goldman's book now and so far not too good....he really over exaggerates alot of stuff. But I figured I'd get his view just like all the others that I've read.

The Goldman book is essentially accurate.The problem is that Goldman wrote it from a malicious point of view.He seems to delight in Elvis' misery.It's obvious he hated Presley.As often stated "Careless Love" is the one I would pick as the best ever on the later years.Written by a true Elvis admirer who is able to look at the whole picture with an objective mind and honest appraisal of what really happened.
Jak

[ksimms2]

The Goldman book is essentially accurate.The problem is that Goldman wrote it from a malicious point of view.He seems to delight in Elvis' misery.It's obvious he hated Presley.As often stated "Careless Love" is the one I would pick as the best ever on the later years.Written by a true Elvis admirer who is able to look at the whole picture with an objective mind and honest appraisal of what really happened.
Jak

yes it's obvious he doesn't like Elvis....the adjectives you uses to describe him are just horrible.

[KPM]

I dont know how you would react in that situation.Personally I dont know of any great mysteries surrounding the scene of death.The house being in pandemonium upon the discovery accounts for most I think.
Jak
People screaming and crying, Lisa running around trying to get into the room. Vernon sobbing "Dont leave me son" Absolute panic is not something you can describe well in a few words but thats what it seems to have been. People were probably in shock and it all seemed like a daze it happened so quick.
(at least in their concept of time while it unfolded)

[ksimms2]

yes it's obvious he doesn't like Elvis....the adjectives you uses to describe him are just horrible.

well heck, I meant "the adjectives HE uses are just horrible"...sorry.

[ksimms2]

People screaming and crying, Lisa running around trying to get into the room. Vernon sobbing "Dont leave me son" Absolute panic is not something you can describe well in a few words but thats what it seems to have been. People were probably in shock and it all seemed like a daze it happened so quick.
(at least in their concept of time while it unfolded)

KPM, I understand all this, I still think he would have known the difference of if he performed cpr or not. Not sure why he would say he did - if in fact he did not. Maybe he said it to make the world feel better knowing someone tried - maybe to sugar coat the horrible fact of his death. Not sure myself.

[Stryx]

They probabaly did CPR on Elvis. Why woulden't they? They all knew he was dead, but they still brought into the Accident and Emergency room at Baptist.....no one wanted Elvis to die, not many want him to be dead now.

It's only natural to try and get him to breathe - even if it was obvious Elvis had been dead for some time.

[ksimms2]

They probabaly did CPR on Elvis. Why woulden't they? They all knew he was dead, but they still brought into the Accident and Emergency room at Baptist.....no one wanted Elvis to die, not many want him to be dead now.

It's only natural to try and get him to breathe - even if it was obvious Elvis had been dead for some time.

Stryx, did you click on the link and read the story? I'm just commenting on the time line mentioned there vs. what Joe E. has told the world since it happened. I'm not questioning the fact on "why wouldn't they perform cpr" only that Joe says he did - and the timeline speaks otherwise and if he really did not perform cpr (hey, maybe someone else did - but from what I understand rigormortis had set in and they couldn't) why say he did? Get what I mean? (I can see this thread will turn ugly. I'm not trying to debate Elvis' death, etc. only this statement about Joe E.)

[Stryx]

Stryx, did you click on the link and read the story? I'm just commenting on the time line mentioned there vs. what Joe E. has told the world since it happened. I'm not questioning the fact on "why wouldn't they perform cpr" only that Joe says he did - and the timeline speaks otherwise and if he really did not perform cpr (hey, maybe someone else did - but from what I understand rigormortis had set in and they couldn't) why say he did? Get what I mean? (I can see this thread will turn ugly. I'm not trying to debate Elvis' death, etc. only this statement about Joe E.)

Esposito's story has changed a bit over time about that day.

[ksimms2]

Esposito's story has changed a bit over time about that day.

that much we certainly agree on....he did talk about changing his story about where he found Elvis. First he said Elvis was on his bed, but he made a good point about it - he said at the time - Elvis had just died and he did not want to advertise to the world how he had been found and where. I can certainly understand that.

[presley31]

Doesn't surpise me coming from joe, he changes his stories when they suit him.

[ksimms2]

Doesn't surpise me coming from joe, he changes his stories when they suit him.

I like your new avatar Jen...I've always liked this photo of Elvis....

[presley31]

I like your new avatar Jen...I've always liked this photo of Elvis....

Thanks kelly. Makes you wonder what was on elvis mind at the time.

[ksimms2]

Thanks kelly. Makes you wonder what was on elvis mind at the time.

it sure does....

[Merry]

http://elvisdecoded.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html

Read this blog. There is a part in it about Joe E. reporting to Jerry Weintraub minutes after finding Elvis dead....and it completely goes against what Joe E. tells the public about trying to resucitate (sp?) Elvis, etc.

This blog is by Patrick who wrote Elvis Decoded - breaking the myth's that have surrounded Elvis' life - basically all the stuff we discuss here. I do want to get this book - do any of you have it? Make sure and read about Joe E. and Weintraub.

Hope this doesn't offend anyone.


Quote: Joe Esposito knew Elvis was dead, and stated that Elvis was dead. What does this tell us about Esposito’s subsequent statements, where he describes the life-saving measures, and rushing with Elvis (in the ambulance) to the hospital in an effort to resuscitate him? If Esposito stated that Elvis was dead, why did the paramedics continue working on the body, and then proceed to BMH where resuscitative efforts were continued for more than 30 minutes? Unquote

Just one comment, the above paragraph stood out to me. In Australia, as far as I know, the paramedics are supposed to keep working on a patient, until they reach the hospital. I'm surprised at the author's lack of research, on that one. I thought that was a well known fact.

Hugs Kelly,
Kim

[LocalRaven]

In my opinion they just recall that shocking day through their eyes. We can't forget there were a lot of shock and panicing involved in that day. How clear your own memory would be after such an experience? Not well I say.

[presley31]

In my opinion they just recall that shocking day through their eyes. We can't forget there were a lot of shock and panicing involved in that day. How clear your own memory would be after such an experience? Not well I say.

That is true but to change your story every time is pretty bad too.

[cameron]

I would remember doing CPR. Of course, I've done some in my profession.
On one of Joes DVD's he states he never did CPR on Elvis and has no idea where that story came from.
I leave that to Joe's stories to explain. But, he has been called on it. :hmm:

[LocalRaven]

That is true but to change your story every time is pretty bad too.

Yes well, maybe he just recalled some more information he never shared before. Could that be possible?;)
Don't you mind about me I was only jokin;)

[Erhan]

You must talking about this time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jm_Eb_2Oi4

[utmom2008]

I wouldnt place to much importance on it.Most of these things are just due to bad memory.That was a long time ago and a very stresfull situation.They tried to revive him for so long because he was Elvis Presley.Dr Nick has stated it was obvious Elvis was dead when he got there.He thought he might have heard some air move in Elvis' lungs that offered just a little hope.Even Marion Cocke said it was obvious he was dead.She was in the room.I wouldnt say that Weintraub's recollections of these couldnt be off also.There is no great mystery lurking in those comments.
Jak

I saw an interview with Joe not long ago and he said he didn't know why the story went around that he performed CPR, he did not. He said he knew Elvis was dead the second he saw him, but he was Elvis, so they tried everything. Also....when a dead body is moved there is often air still trapped in the body and the sound that they all heard was the air leaving the body. Read what Nurse Cocke said to them in the ER ..it's very very sad.

[john carpenter]

Joe stated he called 911 after Ginger called downstairs. At that time(1977)there was no 911. Joe said Elvis was in bed, in fact he was in the bathroom. He recanted his statement saying he could not perform C.P.R. on Elvis,because Elvis' mouth was closed shut(due to rigor)The ambulance drivers supposedly had to break his legs to get him to lay straight on the streacher. Joe said he pulled up his pajamas to give Elvis some dignity.According to the Medical report he was found unclothed.So many different versions. No wonder people have a hard time believing the true facts of that terrible day.

[Unique Dog]

I would remember doing CPR. Of course, I've done some in my profession.
On one of Joes DVD's he states he never did CPR on Elvis and has no idea where that story came from.
I leave that to Joe's stories to explain. But, he has been called on it. :hmm:

LOL yes, I`ve heard Joe say he DID CPR.....and then in other interviews he says he didn`t. Can`t seem to make up his mind which story he wants to go into the history books. :)

[epmoodyblue]

nah nobody broke elvis legs to get him on a stretcher thats a bunch of bull...the part where joe pulled up elvis pyjamas thats a fact....course they cleaned up the place to hide evidence of drug use..elvis died of an accidental mix of whatever he took..the mix took effect in the bathroom..his heart couldint take it anymore... not suicide but accidental death massive heart attack brought on by drug intake ............very tragic:'(

[utmom2008]

The ambulance drivers supposedly had to break his legs to get him to lay straight on the streacher. According to the Medical report he was found unclothed.

That's the first time I've ever heard the "breaking his legs" story, would you mind sharing where that came from?? Also...do you have the link to the medical report? :hmm:

[john carpenter]

Well, UtMOM2008, The Paramedics actuall didn,t say they broke his legs,i read that somewhere. But if he was in the fetal position, they would have to do that. I,ve read so many different accounts,i don,t know what to believe.The Medical report is available online. It does state that Elvis was unclothed..he was in his pajamas,because joe said and others said his pajamas were blue or gold, or whatever color .. He certaintly wasn't nude or was he? The medical report is available on this site..go to gallery and type in 1977 and you may find it.

[Suzan]

Joe has stated he did CPR but did not knock his teeth out and doesn't know where the latter story originated. He also has stated that he knew Elvis was dead the minute he saw him.

I to have heard that they had to break the knees because rigor had already set in....the teeth story as well because of the way he'd bit down on his tongue, making it impossible to perform CPR.

And yes there are other times he's denied doing CPR...so I have no idea which to believe...
Interesting to note, imo, is that Weintraub is now associated w/Lisa.:)

[utmom2008]

It does state that Elvis was unclothed..he was in his pajamas,because joe said and others said his pajamas were blue or gold, or whatever color .. He certaintly wasn't nude or was he?

That's always been my understanding...that he was in gold PJ bottoms. The way that read I thought you meant that he was nude, which he was not.:blush:

[utmom2008]

I to have heard that they had to break the knees because rigor had already set in....the teeth story as well because of the way he'd bit down on his tongue, making it impossible to perform CPR.

I have read that livor mortis had set in, causing his face to be such a deep shade of blue/purple, and the body was cool and in the beginning stages of rigor mortis as well. He had bitten down on his tongue and his jaw was stiff, therefore they couldn't get a tube down his throat and had to settle for a mask over his face. This is how it's told in "The Death of Elvis." :'(

[Suzan]

I have read that livor mortis had set in, causing his face to be such a deep shade of blue/purple, and the body was cool and in the beginning stages of rigor mortis as well. He had bitten down on his tongue and his jaw was stiff, therefore they couldn't get a tube down his throat and had to settle for a mask over his face. This is how it's told in "The Death of Elvis." :'(

Yes I read all that to and often wondered why it was necessary to go into such morbid detail of his last moment. I know it's part of the big picture but still. Yet I read it anyway.

Billy gave additional info as well...

[Erhan]

Joe stated he called 911 after Ginger called downstairs. At that time(1977)there was no 911. Joe said Elvis was in bed, in fact he was in the bathroom. He recanted his statement saying he could not perform C.P.R. on Elvis,because Elvis' mouth was closed shut(due to rigor)The ambulance drivers supposedly had to break his legs to get him to lay straight on the streacher. Joe said he pulled up his pajamas to give Elvis some dignity.According to the Medical report he was found unclothed.So many different versions. No wonder people have a hard time believing the true facts of that terrible day.

First you can perform C.P.R. by nose if mouth was close

"break legs" story is funny I don't belive that shits I don't belive Joe's stories...

[Getlo]

elvis died of an accidental mix of whatever he took..the mix took effect in the bathroom..his heart couldint take it anymore... not suicide but accidental death massive heart attack brought on by drug intake ............very tragic:'(

If you're referring to the long term effects of drug use, then yes. But if you're referring to the specific, final lot of drugs, then ... wrong.

[MissyM]

Have you even done CPR on someone you loved? Leave now if you don't like graphic. Let me tell you the details never ever leave you head and it is torture. You go back through every single detail and ask yourself if you did everything right. Did you fully clear the airway of vomit? Did you use strong enough breaths? You remember the color of their face, blue, white, whatever. You try to remember if you heard even the tiniest breath of life. You remember exactly what the body felt like. You question if you did the right thing by even trying. You don't forget. Period! It is played out like a nightmare in slow motion,in your head forever. Right after you do it, no, for me the details are not clear because you are in post-traumatic stress situation. After the fog wears off then it all comes back unfortunately.

[Suzan]

Have you even done CPR on someone you loved? Leave now if you don't like graphic. Let me tell you the details never ever leave you head and it is torture. You go back through every single detail and ask yourself if you did everything right. Did you fully clear the airway of vomit? Did you use strong enough breaths? You remember the color of their face, blue, white, whatever. You try to remember if you heard even the tiniest breath of life. You remember exactly what the body felt like. You question if you did the right thing by even trying. You don't forget. Period! It is played out like a nightmare in slow motion,in your head forever. Right after you do it, no, for me the details are not clear because you are in post-traumatic stress situation. After the fog wears off then it all comes back unfortunately.

Truth.:'(:'(

[Getlo]

Joe stated he called 911 after Ginger called downstairs. At that time(1977)there was no 911.

That's an unfair statement.

For Americans, "911" has become part of the lexicon and jargon. Joe presumably said "911" when recounting the story rather than "the ambulance" or "emergency services".

Additionally, the 911 service began in the States in 1968.

[MissyM]

Yeh, that's a detail I wouldn't get hung up on. But if he did call Weintraub, it may have been to tell him that it looked like the shows booked weren't going to happen. (even if they could revive him) Why that would be important right at that moment??????

[epmoodyblue]

If you're referring to the long term effects of drug use, then yes. But if you're referring to the specific, final lot of drugs, then ... wrong. i posted drug intake ..but what i really meant was after years of drug abuse pills or whatever he was taking the final outcome on aug 16 th was a massive heart attack due to many years of substance abuse his heart gave up--sadly those are the facts:'(

[Suzan]

That's an unfair statement.

For Americans, "911" has become part of the lexicon and jargon. Joe presumably said "911" when recounting the story rather than "the ambulance" or "emergency services".

Additionally, the 911 service began in the States in 1968.

No 911 in TN in 1977. It may have been in place in 1968 but very very few States had it avail. then.

But yes it was prob. just terminology on Joe's part and nothing significant.:)

[Getlo]

No 911 in TN in 1977.

It began properly in Memphis itself in 1988.

[cameron]

If you read that article , it wasn't Joe that did that interview anyway. It was Weintraub. I've read Patricks book.
He makes some good points , but in the long run it is "his conclusions" and I'm not sure why he or anyone thinks "his conclusions" are better than anyone else in the long run.

[MissyM]

Because Weintraube remains friends with Lisa and Pricilla, even being Lisa's agent, I would take it with a grain of salt.

[Suzan]

Because Weintraube remains friends with Lisa and Pricilla, even being Lisa's agent, I would take it with a grain of salt.

Exactly. Indeed he is Lisa's agent. I met him, nice enough guy, but I take w/grain of salt as well.:)

[Suzan]

It began properly in Memphis itself in 1988.

(y) :D Yes. :)

[cameron]

Exactly. Indeed he is Lisa's agent. I met him, nice enough guy, but I take w/grain of salt as well.:)\

I take what any of them say "as a grain of salt." :P

[MissyM]

It sounds like he is a good agent too. So I think Lisa's decision is probably a wise one. I have no problem with that at all. But it does serve him well to stay in Cilla's good graces. No? BTW I'm curious as to how much time he actually spent with Elvis?

[KPM]

It sounds like he is a good agent too. So I think Lisa's decision is probably a wise one. I have no problem with that at all. But it does serve him well to stay in Cilla's good graces. No? BTW I'm curious as to how much time he actually spent with Elvis?
Jerry Weintraub is a very rich, rich man. He was rich in the 70s- truthfully I can't see how staying in the good graces of anyone is really important to him or his livelihood. He could not promote another event for the rest of his life and still live like a king.

[john carpenter]

:doh::oops:I stand corrected Joe didn't say the paramedics broke his legs it was the guy on the dvd "Elvis the final chapter" that said this..i forget his name..oh Don Wilson was the dude. My appologies.