How did the weird rumors started?

[Rover]

You know, like Elvis is still alive, Elvis was kidnapped by extraterrestrials...How and when did it start?

[marijaep]

You know, like Elvis is still alive, Elvis was kidnapped by extraterrestrials...How and when did it start?

I'm wondering about this too..............:blink::blink::blink:
Thanks for putting up the question :D

[Getlo]

Rumours like this are usually started by two types of people:

Complete *****s who are delusional, or people who want to prey on those deluded *****s to make a buck.

Unfortunately, the delusional *****s are the most rabid of Elvis fans.

When a big star or personality dies, you get the "alive" rumours. People can't comprehend that someone so big as Elvis could actually die, so the rumour mill goes into overdrive. Some *****s just can't accept reality.

These alive rumours are soon followed by the "death conspiracy" theorists, ie "Elvis was killed because he knew too much", "the royal family killed Diana" etc.

It's all ridiculous, and I try to ignore it. Elvis is dead: no conspiracies, no FBI witness protection, no Elvis in Kalamazoo etc, and no cover-ups.

[Rover]

Ok Getlo, I guess we all know and accept the fact that Elvis is dead... But who exactly are these "complete *****s" you're refering to? Some fans? And the people who just want some money, same question, anybody has their names? :D

[Getlo]

But who exactly are these "complete *****s" you're refering to? Some fans? And the people who just want some money, same question, anybody has their names? :D

Yes, ***** fans. They start websites like this:

http://www.elvislives.net/

http://www.elvis-is-alive.com/

And of course the "Elvis is alive" brigade, the likes of Gail Brewer-Giorgio, Major Bill Smith etc etc. Almost too many to mention.

All pure evil.

[Jailhouse-Rocker]

people who don't want to accept the fact that such a legend is really gone. People who believe that if there was any justice in the world, Elvis wouldn't have been taken from us at such a young age ... everyone must wish and dream that Elvis was still alive at some point, right? some people will truly believe that such a person like Elvis could never be taken away from us, there just HAS to be a more plausible explanation to them. (and no i'm not putting Elvis on a pedestal, but the people who are on such websites might be. i do not mean for this to sound like a controversial reply- honest! :D)

[cameron]

Actually, it was the Elvis fans and the fan clubs way back in 1977 .
Giorgio and others didn't look into any of that until 1986-1987.

I understand it started because Vernon called some and told them to not come to the funeral. As they looked at other things; it started the questioning. All the "clues" are on some of those sites. I believe I and others pretty much ran all those so called "clues" down years ago.
Except for that darn pool house picture .;)

[Jailhouse-Rocker]

Actually, it was the Elvis fans and the fan clubs way back in 1977 .
Giorgio and others didn't look into any of that until 1986-1987.

I understand it started because Vernon called some and told them to not come to the funeral. As they looked at other things; it started the questioning. All the "clues" are on some of those sites. I believe I and others pretty much ran all those so called "clues" down years ago.
Except for that darn pool house picture .;)

thanks for the insight (y) (y)

[ksimms2]

Actually, it was the Elvis fans and the fan clubs way back in 1977 .
Giorgio and others didn't look into any of that until 1986-1987.

I understand it started because Vernon called some and told them to not come to the funeral. As they looked at other things; it started the questioning. All the "clues" are on some of those sites. I believe I and others pretty much ran all those so called "clues" down years ago.
Except for that darn pool house picture .;)

yep...and Gail's book had some really good points in it....except now some of the things she had in her book have been explained. She really almost had me convinced when I was reading her book. But here is how I look at it - for Elvis to have faked his own death - he would have had many people involved to help him carry it out. There is NO WAY that many people would have kept it a secret all these years.....see what I mean?

Back to the original question, it started when Vernon told people not to come to his funeral and then the whole casket thing and the body not looking like Elvis....and it just took off from there....oh and someone said they sold "Elvis" a plane ticket under the name Jon Burrows who left the country right after ELvis died......and nobody collected his 3 million insurance policy....so stuff like that kept coming up and let's not forget the spelling of his middle name on the coffin....and the fact he's not buried next to his mother - which we all know he would have wanted.....okay I'll stop now....but you can see how it all snow balls out of control.

[Stryx]

Actually, it was the Elvis fans and the fan clubs way back in 1977 .
Giorgio and others didn't look into any of that until 1986-1987.

I understand it started because Vernon called some and told them to not come to the funeral. As they looked at other things; it started the questioning. All the "clues" are on some of those sites. I believe I and others pretty much ran all those so called "clues" down years ago.
Except for that darn pool house picture .;)

You ran down all the clues years ago?

Who are you?!

[ksimms2]

coffin I'm sorry, I meant headstone.

[cameron]

You're welcome. I thought it was interesting sorting through all that.
I learned a lot from the ones that were there .
Nice people.

[cameron]

yep...and Gail's book had some really good points in it....except now some of the things she had in her book have been explained. She really almost had me convinced when I was reading her book. But here is how I look at it - for Elvis to have faked his own death - he would have had many people involved to help him carry it out. There is NO WAY that many people would have kept it a secret all these years.....see what I mean?

Back to the original question, it started when Vernon told people not to come to his funeral and then the whole casket thing and the body not looking like Elvis....and it just took off from there....oh and someone said they sold "Elvis" a plane ticket under the name Jon Burrows who left the country right after ELvis died......and nobody collected his 3 million insurance policy....so stuff like that kept coming up and let's not forget the spelling of his middle name on the coffin....and the fact he's not buried next to his mother - which we all know he would have wanted.....okay I'll stop now....but you can see how it all snow balls out of control.

Yes, there was some good points, thanks to his fans.
They followed him everywhere back then.

Yes, I read her book as well as others. It was a very good plot/mystery.
I wish the fans had been right. In some things, they were.

[presley31]

I think people just like to make up stories or they may be jealous of elvis. I find that the gossip seems to happen to everyone not just elvis, it seems that me that somebody aren't happy till they pulling the wool over someones eyes or simply making up stories.

[cameron]

I think people just like to make up stories or they may be jealous of elvis. I find that the gossip seems to happen to everyone not just elvis, it seems that me that somebody aren't happy till they pulling the wool over someones eyes or simply making up stories.

His fans always loved Elvis; same as we do.
The only thing that aggravates me is the real *****s that like to fool others by pretending to be him !! (n) Those people are not fans, IMO. And some have taken advantage of the more trusting.
That makes me mad !! :cursing:

[presley31]

His fans always loved Elvis; same as we do.
The only thing that aggravates me is the real *****s that like to fool others by pretending to be him !! (n) Those people are not fans, IMO. And some have taken advantage of the more trusting.
That makes me mad !! :cursing:

l agree but maybe these people aren't true elvis

[cameron]

The "fake elvis", obviously not.
the fans that just " hope and pray" he didn't die...?? They're probably bigger ,truer fans than any of us.

[presley31]

We all wish elvis was here, but sad as it is he's gone and we have to accept that and enjoy the things elvis had left us.

[cameron]

I agree and some nuts just prey on the ones that want him to be alive.
Truthfully, I wish the "fakes" could be locked up. But, it seems it's no crime .
Unless, as some they solicit money or other other valuable things.

[ksimms2]

I agree and some nuts just prey on the ones that want him to be alive.
Truthfully, I wish the "fakes" could be locked up. But, it seems it's no crime .
Unless, as some they solicit money or other other valuable things.

as some of you know, as I've shared in the past - a person on myspace was claiming to be Elvis aka Jon Burrows. he was on my friends list but I was told that "The About Elvis" contacted him and started asking questions and he pulled his page....not sure the whole story. But I asked him once when he first found me (yes he found me....strange huh?) that if he did really survive what about Lisa and Priscilla? His response was - "well they'd obviously know"...anyway...I really wish it were true....but I just don't see how that could be......

[cameron]

as some of you know, as I've shared in the past - a person on myspace was claiming to be Elvis aka Jon Burrows. he was on my friends list but I was told that "The About Elvis" contacted him and started asking questions and he pulled his page....not sure the whole story. But I asked him once when he first found me (yes he found me....strange huh?) that if he did really survive what about Lisa and Priscilla? His response was - "well they'd obviously know"...anyway...I really wish it were true....but I just don't see how that could be......

There's a lot of Jon Burrows & Elvis "somethings" on MySpace.
I sure hope no one believes those people.
To use common sense; why in the world would Elvis be on a MySpace site if he were alive? I feel really sorry for some of those people....the ones that get duped, I mean.

[ksimms2]

There's a lot of Jon Burrows & Elvis "somethings" on MySpace.
I sure hope no one believes those people.
To use common sense; why in the world would Elvis be on a MySpace site if he were alive? I feel really sorry for some of those people....the ones that get duped, I mean.

oh for sure, you are right....I've met a nice man named Norm through "Jon's" myspace page and he and I talk about it all the time. We both agree he can't be for real. We said same thing, if he faked his own death, why advertise it on the internet?

[KPM]

The all mighty buck starts a lot of these rumors and stories. It s a sad society where rumor and inuendo is a multi billion dollar industry. The money made off of Marilyn Monroe, the Kennedys and Elvis could run most small third world nations.

[Rover]

It is weird because if you realy want him to be alive you can find a lot of "proofs"...I guess it confuses people :huh:
I agree with Cameron, people pretending to be Elvis are stupid and I find this insulting to his memory :angry:

[cameron]

www.classicbands.com/MysteryofElvisPresley.html

This link will take you to many interviews from some credible people {some not so credible :) } from 1977 on.

Discuss any and all if you like. This was where it began, not in 1987 as some would have you believe.
Have fun with it , don't even try to figure it all out. It's just some history .

Hope this answers some of your question.
I'll be gone most of the day, don't let anyone "get to you."
Ignore, ignore, ignore . I had to learn how to do that ignore part .;)

I LOVE this blocking thing .:clap::clap:

[Getlo]

I believe I and others pretty much ran all those so called "clues" down years ago.


Oh, do share please ...

[Stryx]

Maybe what everyone "knows", is what they are supposed to know. It's easy to plant information, especially if you are the government.

Oh here we go conspiracy theory 101. I guess it was Alien Spaceship that crash landed as Roswell then!!!

BTW: What benefit is it to the govt if Elvis used cocaine or not!!! Geez!!

[Rover]

Why would the government "plant information" about Elvis? I don't think it has anything to do with politics...:hmm:

[ksimms2]

Why would the government "plant information" about Elvis? I don't think it has anything to do with politics...:hmm:

I have to agree on this one....

[Jailhouse-Rocker]

The government is just an example of an organization that has planted information in order for their plans to follow through. If you are wanting to say, change your identity, it's relatively easy with proper planning. You leak "information" before it happens. The information you leak, is information that is not actually pertaining to you so if by chance someone suspects you, then you can say for example ," So and so had this disease or that, I don't".
Go to different doctors, give them the symptoms they are looking for and you would be surprised how many take your word for it, hence the diagnosis on your record. A good PDR and some medical knowledge goes a long way. Did you know certain drugs can actually cause your blood type to be misdiagnosed incorrectly? Did you know certain glaucoma drugs can actually change your eye color? Not drastically, but enough to make a difference. Take these things and others, and use them at the right time in some official setting so it becomes a matter of record and you accomplish what you want. Then you become so hidden, that only if someone you were really close to could figure it was you. So, you are "dead". There is no coming back.

well you've got a good well thought out argument. I personally don't believe it, but i respect your view. Its possible :hmm: but i personally have accepted the belief that he is dead, and i doubt anything will sway my mind. :)

[Getlo]

The "fake elvis", obviously not.
the fans that just " hope and pray" he didn't die...?? They're probably bigger ,truer fans than any of us.


Rubbish!

They are more deluded that the rest of us, thank you!

[Getlo]

The government is just an example of an organization that has planted information in order for their plans to follow through. ... Then you become so hidden, that only if someone you were really close to could figure it was you. So, you are "dead". There is no coming back.

You need to stop watching so much X-Files! :lmfao:

[Rover]

Knoxelvis, you think Elvis took drugs to change himself and disappear? Ok, but I have a question, why did he do the 77 show just before he "died", because it was a huge risk to destroy the legend he is (he stammered,...)?
And there is something I don't understand: the government. What does it have to do with Elvis? According to your point of view (if I got it right), Elvis was the one who wanted to disappear, so he "leaked informations" to that effect...how is the government involved?


They are more deluded that the rest of us, thank you!
Maybe they are...or maybe they love him *so much* they can't accept the truth. Isn't that the ultimate proof of love in a very weird sort of way? :)

[cameron]

Knoxelvis, you think Elvis took drugs to change himself and disappear? Ok, but I have a question, why did he do the 77 show just before he "died", because it was a huge risk to destroy the legend he is (he stammered,...)?
And there is something I don't understand: the government. What does it have to do with Elvis? According to your point of view (if I got it right), Elvis was the one who wanted to disappear, so he "leaked informations" to that effect...how is the government involved?


Maybe they are...or maybe they love him *so much* they can't accept the truth. Isn't that the ultimate proof of love in a very weird sort of way? :)

Elvis always stammered and stuttered from the beginning.

The only thing you can see in the FBI files is where {'"76 & '77 } there was the "paternity suit" and the "swindling of the Presley's "in that airplane deal.
It happened .I'm not sure why there are still things "blacked out" on those files. The government says "it's a matter of National Security."
After 30 years ? Can't say I believe that.

[BrianK]

What reason do the conspiracy theorists give for Elvis faking his own death? I can't think of any reason why Elvis would want to do it himself. Do they say the govt. "made" him do it?

[cameron]

The things I've read or ones I've talked to say: death threats . Not only on him but his family as well.
That much is true: the death threats.
The FBI files will tell you that.

I have no "inside knowledge" on that. It's there for anyone to read.
Though most don't call it a conspiracy ; just a cover-up.;)

[Getlo]

Maybe they are...or maybe they love him *so much* they can't accept the truth. Isn't that the ultimate proof of love in a very weird sort of way? :)

Hmmm ... just like a guy who loves a woman so much he ends up killing her and her real boyfriend? I'm taking the example to the extreme of course. So yes, it is a very weird sort of way.

And insanely deluded.

There is a distinct difference between loving Elvis and believing he's alive.

Anyone who believes Elvis is still alive is, frankly, an *****. I make no apologies for this statement at all. *****s, all of them.

[Getlo]

The things I've read or ones I've talked to say: death threats . Not only on him but his family as well.
That much is true: the death threats.
The FBI files will tell you that.

I have no "inside knowledge" on that. It's there for anyone to read.
Though most don't call it a conspiracy ; just a cover-up.;)

Here we go again.

The death threats, apart from that one in Vegas that time with the defaced menu, amounted to nothing. Neither these threats, nor anything else, made Elvis fake his death.

He's dead. For real. And for 30 years now. End of story.

[Rhinestone]

It always amazes me how anything even remotely connected to the Elvis Alive topic elicits such a high level of emotion. I've witnessed hostility from BOTH sides of this fence. It's a shame that it usually degenerates into name-calling, derision, and anger. It seems that if someone questions the official story of the 8-16-77 events, that person is automatically stereotyped and labeled. I came to this board because I'm an Elvis fan and enjoy reading some of the threads. I wanted to join in the discussions when I felt I could contribute something. But after my first post, I felt that I'd been ridiculed, judged, and labeled. In spite of that, I've since made a few posts and this may be my last.

No, I'm not trying to start an Elvis Alive debate or "Conspiracy 101" thread. I cannot say with certainty whether or not Elvis survived past 8-16-77.... This may surprise some of you, but I don't believe in the wax dummy theory, I don't believe there's any significance to the spelling of Elvis' middle name on the grave marker, I don't believe Elvis left to work for the DEA because he was tired of being Elvis Presley....no, I don't buy into in every story that comes down the pike. I have been involved in tracking down and finding answers for the most of the stories that have circulated all these years. However, with that said, I have found information that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals. As a result, I can say with certainty that the events of 8-16-77 did not happen as offically reported. Even some who firmly believe Elvis died on that date can't come up with an explanation.

There's always an official truth and an unofficial truth in any story. An example:
Situation- a 60 yr. old man leaves the company where he worked for 30 years.
Official truth- the man "retired," he was tired of the rat-race and wanted to pursue other interests.
Unofficial truth- his young new boss wanted his college buddy in the man's position.
To acccomplish that, he made the workplace hell for the retired man, forcing the man to leave the company.

There is an official truth and an unofficial truth in the Elvis Presley story.

I'm not delusional, I'm not a nut, and what I've said here is not rubbish.

[KPM]

I have heard the nurse who was on duty the day Elvis died at BMH speak on a radio station a few years back. She was Elvis's favorite nurse when he was in BMH and she got to know him pretty well. She was there- saw his body. She cried as she told the story of how they tried to revive him-she says she would swear on a Stack of Bibles Elvis Presley died on 8-16-77 because she saw him in the ER and she knew who it him. I have no doubt Elvis is dead.

[cameron]

You have the right to your opinion, Rhinestone.
At least I think so.;)

I've read so many differing stories. Who really knows the truth?
I do think there's some things that just were kept from the public.
That has caused some to doubt everything we've been told.
I can't blame them.

Maybe, someday it will all be told. But, don't hold your breath. ;)

[Rhinestone]

You have the right to your opinion, Rhinestone.
At least I think so.;)

I've read so many differing stories. Who really knows the truth?
I do think there's some things that just were kept from the public.
That has caused some to doubt everything we've been told.
I can't blame them.

Maybe, someday it will all be told. But, don't hold your breath. ;)


Thanks for your reply, Cameron. I doubt that the unofficial truth will ever be told in my lifetime. I'm only saying that I'm certain events did not occur as officially told and there are legitimate questions yet to be answered. I was also trying to convey that it's wrong to make assumptions about people and lump them into a particular category.

[cameron]

I was also trying to convey that it's wrong to make assumptions about people and lump them into a particular category.
I agree, none of us should "assume" anything about anyone or anything we have no knowledge of.
Keeps us from learning. ;)

[Getlo]

I cannot say with certainty whether or not Elvis survived past 8-16-77....

You must be kidding ...



However, with that said, I have found information that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals.

Please give examples of some of these "mysteries" ....


As a result, I can say with certainty that the events of 8-16-77 did not happen as offically reported.

Really? Well, you may be sitting on the story of the century! Why are you keeping this to yourself? Get it all out there, I say! Please share why you're so certain ..


I'm not delusional, I'm not a nut, and what I've said here is not rubbish.

Hmmm. Ok then, let's hear your story ...

[Rover]

It always amazes me how anything even remotely connected to the Elvis Alive topic elicits such a high level of emotion. I've witnessed hostility from BOTH sides of this fence. It's a shame that it usually degenerates into name-calling, derision, and anger. It seems that if someone questions the official story of the 8-16-77 events, that person is automatically stereotyped and labeled. I came to this board because I'm an Elvis fan and enjoy reading some of the threads. I wanted to join in the discussions when I felt I could contribute something. But after my first post, I felt that I'd been ridiculed, judged, and labeled. In spite of that, I've since made a few posts and this may be my last.

No, I'm not trying to start an Elvis Alive debate or "Conspiracy 101" thread. I cannot say with certainty whether or not Elvis survived past 8-16-77.... This may surprise some of you, but I don't believe in the wax dummy theory, I don't believe there's any significance to the spelling of Elvis' middle name on the grave marker, I don't believe Elvis left to work for the DEA because he was tired of being Elvis Presley....no, I don't buy into in every story that comes down the pike. I have been involved in tracking down and finding answers for the most of the stories that have circulated all these years. However, with that said, I have found information that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals. As a result, I can say with certainty that the events of 8-16-77 did not happen as offically reported. Even some who firmly believe Elvis died on that date can't come up with an explanation.

There's always an official truth and an unofficial truth in any story. An example:
Situation- a 60 yr. old man leaves the company where he worked for 30 years.
Official truth- the man "retired," he was tired of the rat-race and wanted to pursue other interests.
Unofficial truth- his young new boss wanted his college buddy in the man's position.
To acccomplish that, he made the workplace hell for the retired man, forcing the man to leave the company.

There is an official truth and an unofficial truth in the Elvis Presley story.

I'm not delusional, I'm not a nut, and what I've said here is not rubbish.

Please don't leave the community because of this...maybe one or two people labeled you, but do you know how many more there are ? :)
You said something about a high level of emotion, anger,...when it comes to the "Elvis is alive" topic, I think you got a point here: people are so emotive and so quick to react violently because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it :)

[Getlo]

because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it :)

Exactly, Rover. (Btw, is your name a reference to The Prisoner TV show?)

Every stupid theory put forth from the "Elvis Is Alive" nutbags (the coffin weight, the wax dummy idea, the spelling of Aaron etec) can all be explained logically.

Some people choose to see the most convoluted conspracies in the most simple of events.

Elvis. August 1977. Dead.

That's it.

[Rover]

Some people choose to see the most convoluted conspracies in the most simple of events.


Nah they don't choose it! They can't accept he is dead, so they try to build an explanation as believable as they can...it's not their fault if it is "convoluted", they just try to build something with what they know.

And no, my name doesn't come from this TV show :)

[cameron]

Please don't leave the community because of this...maybe one or two people labeled you, but do you know how many more there are ? :)
You said something about a high level of emotion, anger,...when it comes to the "Elvis is alive" topic, I think you got a point here: people are so emotive and so quick to react violently because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it :)

I've never understood why people react violently to anything about Elvis.
Especially, this topic. The questions have been there since August 16,1977.
Some have been answered; some not.
I think everyone should be allowed to believe what they want,IMO. :hmm:

[Rover]

I've never understood why people react violently to anything about Elvis.

Because they feel personally concerned...and know they can't defend their point of view with concrete elements, since it is based on feelings :)

[cameron]

Because they feel personally concerned...and know they can't defend their point of view with concrete elements, since it is based on feelings :)

I've seen some of their "evidence." Some I've disproved, others I admit; I have no answer for. I guess I just don't see that it harms anyone nor think it's a reason to jump on someone that might believe differently than I do.
It's a great mystery to me and always has been.

[Merry]

Please don't leave the community because of this...maybe one or two people labeled you, but do you know how many more there are ? :)
You said something about a high level of emotion, anger,...when it comes to the "Elvis is alive" topic, I think you got a point here: people are so emotive and so quick to react violently because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it :)


Well said.

It is sad that Rhinestone is leaving, because of name calling.

Please don't let it bother you, Rhinestone, if you can. :hug:

Kind wishes,
Kim

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I can understand why people want to believe that Elvis is still alive, but if he is.... and I say this only to make a point..... If he is alive then he almost certainly doesn't deserve the fans respect! If Elvis has indeed faked his death, he has treated his fans with such disdain that I would certainly be very disappointed.

Elvis' life was nowhere near as difficult as some have made out, this has been exaggerated. Yes things could be tough but nothing that hadn't been handled in the past. He would have to be one selfish SOB to carry out such a plan, not only because his family have suffered in such a terrible way. Vernon is on the verge of a breakdown on "Elvis In Concert". When Vernon makes those very touching comments at the end, he is obviously very emotional, this cannot be faked by a man who is plainly very ill. Are you saying Elvis would put his father through such emotional turmoil??!!

For such a plot to be convincing very few people could know of his plans, and for such a plan to take place many people would have to know, this includes his daughter, she would have to believe that her father was dead to be convincing.. at what point would those close to him be told he was alive, because Priscilla has been putting the boot in on Elvis almost since his "Alleged" death.

It beggars belief that Elvis would fake his death.... WHY? If he felt he needed to get away from it all he could have simply locked himself away in a villa in Hawaii for 12 months or more, quite frankly the way his career was going no-one would have blamed him for some R&R.

There was NO real reason for Elvis to fake his death, I am sure there are things that don't add up, timescales etc on the day, but do we really need to know the nitty gritty of everything that happened on Aug 16th down to the last second? I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!

Quite why the theorists have to question some of the most mundane things and turn it into a conspiracy or Cover Up is beyond my simple reasoning, sometimes the simplest explanation IS the most obvious answer...... Elvis died Aug 16th 1977

[cameron]

[COLOR=black]...I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!

I guess I can disagree with some things you think?
But, the above quote I couldn't agree with you more !!

[Getlo]

The questions have been there since August 16,1977. Some have been answered; some not.

Really, cameron?

And which questions haven't been answered?

I assume you're still enjoying ignoring me (which is great, by the way! (y)) so maybe someone else could ask this woman what questions about Elvis' death still need answers?

[Getlo]

I've seen some of their "evidence." Some I've disproved, others I admit


So what do you actually believe ... is Elvis alive or dead?

[MissyM]

I talked to Elvis's family the day he died. I heard the devastating emotions of a someone who lost someone they dearly loved. Some may not like the MM but listen to the pain in their voices. I just think peoples personal feeling cloud their judgement some times. One minute someone is saying people murdered him and the next minute someone says he is still alive. Well he is not alive. That's a fact.

[presley31]

Sorry to all those people that think elvis is alive, fact is fact elvis is gone. I do hope people stop saying this stuff.

[MissyM]

I'd just like to understand why they do?? It's been 30 years. I mean come on!!!

[T_J]

There's one point people usually fail to mention, which clears up the whole issue for me. If Elvis was going to fake his death, would he really choose to have the world think he fell off the toilet and died with his PJ bottoms around his ankles? Not in a million years! Why would anyone devise a plan which included such an undignified ending? They wouldn't of course.

If basic commonsense and the overwhelming evidence of his death isn't enough to convince people, the above point should.

[Getlo]

There's one point people usually fail to mention, which clears up the whole issue for me. If Elvis was going to fake his death, would he really choose to have the world think he fell off the toilet and died with his PJ bottoms around his ankles? Not in a million years! Why would anyone devise a plan which included such an undignified ending? They wouldn't of course. If basic commonsense and the overwhelming evidence of his death isn't enough to convince people, the above point should.

Excellent point. That, and the fact that he wouldn't have put Lisa or his dad through the horror, convinces me.

And as I've said before - and I don't care how harsh this sounds - if a person believes Elvis is still alive, or that he didn't die on August 16, 1977 - then they are a first-class *****.

[MissyM]

Wall, there ya go!

[ksimms2]

I'd just like to understand why they do?? It's been 30 years. I mean come on!!!

Missy, I think because of the all questions that were raised years ago, and some don't know enough and haven't dug deep enough to know most has been explained. And I think like Cameron and others have said, they just don't want to believe that he did actually die....so it's easier for them to hope he is in Hawaii somewhere relaxing in his old age. Which does sound nice. HOWEVER - I have said before and I agree with the moderator who said that there would have been too many people in on it had he faked his death. That many people would be impossible to keep quiet for so long...

[ksimms2]

There's one point people usually fail to mention, which clears up the whole issue for me. If Elvis was going to fake his death, would he really choose to have the world think he fell off the toilet and died with his PJ bottoms around his ankles? Not in a million years! Why would anyone devise a plan which included such an undignified ending? They wouldn't of course.

If basic commonsense and the overwhelming evidence of his death isn't enough to convince people, the above point should.

Very good point T J! (y)

[Lisarose]

Quote -There's one point people usually fail to mention, which clears up the whole issue for me. If Elvis was going to fake his death, would he really choose to have the world think he fell off the toilet and died with his PJ bottoms around his ankles? Not in a million years! Why would anyone devise a plan which included such an undignified ending? They wouldn't of course. -
If basic commonsense and the overwhelming evidence of his death isn't enough to convince people, the above point should. - T J


Excellent point. That, and the fact that he wouldn't have put Lisa or his dad through the horror, convinces me.

And as I've said before - and I don't care how harsh this sounds - if a person believes Elvis is still alive, or that he didn't die on August 16, 1977 - then they are a first-class *****.

I agree with both of these. I don't understand, pretend to understand, or care to understand those who pursue dead ends - whoa, sorry for the bad pun! :blink: Nor do I understand how these type rumors stay in the forefront. Perhaps it's just someone's 15 minutes of fame?

[SleepyJack]

This is one of the Elvis subjects that gives me headaches.....remember when "The X Files" started on tv and suddenly there were aliens everywhere?......Seems to be three great headlines in times of desperation for the media....beings from other planets.Elvis,and naked celebrities......Oh God....here comes the pain in my head again!...must be from the transmitter "They" put in me.

[jak]

This is one of the Elvis subjects that gives me headaches.....remember when "The X Files" started on tv and suddenly there were aliens everywhere?......Seems to be three great headlines in times of desperation for the media....beings from other planets.Elvis,and naked celebrities......Oh God....here comes the pain in my head again!...must be from the transmitter "They" put in me.

Fashion yourself a helmet out of aluminum foil and put it on your head.It will block their signals.I've worn one for years and it works great.
Jak

[cameron]

But after my first post, I felt that I'd been ridiculed, judged, and labeled. In spite of that, I've since made a few posts and this may be my last.

No, I'm not trying to start an Elvis Alive debate or "Conspiracy 101" thread. However, with that said, I have found information that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals. As a result, I can say with certainty that the events of 8-16-77 did not happen as offically reported.

I'm not delusional, I'm not a nut, and what I've said here is not rubbish.
This is what Rhinestone said. NOT that Elvis is alive.
There are things I've found too thar cannot be explained just by reading our book of choice .
It would be nice if posts were read and understood before, jumping to conclusions.
It's very sad to be guilty of running someone off because of reading something that wasn't even there .
It's not important whether we're the first to answer ; better we understand the question. :hmm:

[Getlo]

I just wish that Rhinestone, and other posters who believe in "information (about Elvis' death) that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals" would actually post some of these theories, so we could all have a good lau ... er, I mean, good look at the theories, objectively. :lol:

[Stryx]

But then you would have to believe who found "me". And of course they have been known to lie and been caught in a few lies. Especially the lady Ginger, loosely speaking, who I figured out was after the money. It didn't go exactly as planned, these people staged their own scene. Some had their own motives for bringing the King down from his throne.

What a load of fictitous nonense

[T_J]

But then you would have to believe who found "me". And of course they have been known to lie and been caught in a few lies. Especially the lady Ginger, loosely speaking, who I figured out was after the money. It didn't go exactly as planned, these people staged their own scene. Some had their own motives for bringing the King down from his throne.

Er, suuuuurrree.

[Getlo]

But then you would have to believe who found "me". And of course they have been known to lie and been caught in a few lies. Especially the lady Ginger, loosely speaking, who I figured out was after the money. It didn't go exactly as planned, these people staged their own scene. Some had their own motives for bringing the King down from his throne.

Here's proof that taking too much Dilaudid really is a bad thing! ;):lol:

[T_J]

Here's proof that taking too much Dilaudid really is a bad thing! ;):lol:

What worries me is that people with that kind of logic actually have the vote.

[presley31]

sorry Knoxelvis but that story is to far fetched.

[Getlo]

What worries me is that people with that kind of logic actually have the vote.

Yeah, well voting is compulsory here in Australia, so every bloody loony gets their say! :lol:;)

[ksimms2]

I just wish that Rhinestone, and other posters who believe in "information (about Elvis' death) that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals" would actually post some of these theories, so we could all have a good lau ... er, I mean, good look at the theories, objectively. :lol:

me too Getlo....however maybe they are worried about your response to them? with your "all have a good lau...." Maybe that is why they don't post what their questions or theories are...? Heck I'd post it anyway.....it doesn't bother me anymore what people say....just try to be respectful of each others opinions is what counts.

[Tony Trout]

Here's proof that taking too much Dilaudid really is a bad thing! ;):lol:


sorry Knoxelvis but that story is to far fetched.


I agree...

*slinks out of thread before he gets himself in any more trouble than what he has today*

Elvis is gone and he rests between his father and grandmother (Why? I have no clue) in the Meditation Gardens at Graceland.

Some people need to stop living in a fantasy world and accept the fact that Elvis is gone and he's not coming back.

As Getlo said earlier, if these people have other "proof" that what happened on 8/16/77 didn't happen I'd appreciate it if they would present the evidence and back up their stories.

[ksimms2]

I agree...

*slinks out of thread before he gets himself in any more trouble than what he has today*

Elvis is gone and he rests between his father and grandmother (Why? I have no clue) in the Meditation Gardens at Graceland.

Some people need to stop living in a fantasy world and accept the fact that Elvis is gone and he's not coming back.

I completely agree. And once again - if by some miracle he did not die that day - don't you think he would have been discovered long before now? Maybe that's a silly thing to say.....but I don't see how something that major could have been covered up for 30 years......so unless Elvis "himselvis" popped out and says, "boo!" I don't believe it......(wish it weren't so but sadly that's the fact)

p.s. Tony, I got in trouble with you...so don't feel alone! lol...

[Tony Trout]

I completely agree. And once again - if by some miracle he did not die that day - don't you think he would have been discovered long before now? Maybe that's a silly thing to say.....but I don't see how something that major could have been covered up for 30 years......so unless Elvis "himselvis" popped out and says, "boo!" I don't believe it......(wish it weren't so but sadly that's the fact)

p.s. Tony, I got in trouble with you...so don't feel alone! lol...

Kelly,

There's no way that something like Elvis faking his death could've been kept secret this long...I'm sure he would have been found out before now.

BTW, thanks for the PM....it truly is a small world, ain't it?

[Getlo]

me too Getlo....however maybe they are worried about your response to them?

Then they are wussy girls' blouses! :lol:

Seriously, if any posters on here really believe that Elvis is alive ... please speak up and say "Yo!"

I promise I won't bite. I'd be very interested to see each of the things that supposedly "don't add up" about August 16, 1977.

Come on kids ... where are ya?

[Stryx]

Then they are wussy girls' blouses! :lol:

Seriously, if any posters on here really believe that Elvis is alive ... please speak up and say "Yo!"

I promise I won't bite. I'd be very interested to see each of the things that supposedly "don't add up" about August 16, 1977.

Come on kids ... where are ya?

lol :clap:

The "proofs" will be offered up.

Fact is; these people never check out their sources.......schoolboy error!

[marijaep]

"Yo!" :P:P:P


:lmfao:, no, no...........joking....he is dead, i know :'(

[Rhinestone]

I never said that I believe Elvis is alive. I can't say that he didn't die on 8/16/77 and I can't say with certainty that he did. What I was trying to convey is that there are a few unresolved issues which have convinced me that events that day did not happen as officially told to the public.

For 25 years I accepted Elvis' death and believed the official story of the circumstances. I know exactly where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news that Elvis was dead and I grieved. Then about 5 years ago I stumbled onto something and had to find the answer. I did find my answer, but the digging continued. The generalizations that someone like me just can't acceptElvis' death and that someone like me is living in a fantasy world doesn't fit.

Now, as far as the question, "how did the weird rumors get started?" IF, and I am saying IF Marty and Billy are telling the truth in Revelations of the Memphis Mafia, Elvis himself may haved started this himself:)

[Getlo]

I never said that I believe Elvis is alive. I can't say that he didn't die on 8/16/77 and I can't say with certainty that he did. (Geez...) What I was trying to convey is that there are a few unresolved issues which have convinced me that events that day did not happen as officially told to the public.

WHAT issues??? What did you "stumble upon" a few years ago???

You can't say "with certainty" that Elvis died on August 16th, 1977?

Unbelieveable. So, stand up for your convictions, and please tell us WHY!

[Getlo]

Believe me..no ones "worried" or afraid of anyone. . .There would just be no point.

Then, why does this woman have me on "ignore"? :lol:

[KPM]

I can understand why people want to believe that Elvis is still alive, but if he is.... and I say this only to make a point..... If he is alive then he almost certainly doesn't deserve the fans respect! If Elvis has indeed faked his death, he has treated his fans with such disdain that I would certainly be very disappointed.

Elvis' life was nowhere near as difficult as some have made out, this has been exaggerated. Yes things could be tough but nothing that hadn't been handled in the past. He would have to be one selfish SOB to carry out such a plan, not only because his family have suffered in such a terrible way. Vernon is on the verge of a breakdown on "Elvis In Concert". When Vernon makes those very touching comments at the end, he is obviously very emotional, this cannot be faked by a man who is plainly very ill. Are you saying Elvis would put his father through such emotional turmoil??!!

For such a plot to be convincing very few people could know of his plans, and for such a plan to take place many people would have to know, this includes his daughter, she would have to believe that her father was dead to be convincing.. at what point would those close to him be told he was alive, because Priscilla has been putting the boot in on Elvis almost since his "Alleged" death.

It beggars belief that Elvis would fake his death.... WHY? If he felt he needed to get away from it all he could have simply locked himself away in a villa in Hawaii for 12 months or more, quite frankly the way his career was going no-one would have blamed him for some R&R.

There was NO real reason for Elvis to fake his death, I am sure there are things that don't add up, timescales etc on the day, but do we really need to know the nitty gritty of everything that happened on Aug 16th down to the last second? I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!

Quite why the theorists have to question some of the most mundane things and turn it into a conspiracy or Cover Up is beyond my simple reasoning, sometimes the simplest explanation IS the most obvious answer...... Elvis died Aug 16th 1977


Total Agreement- perfect assessment(y)(y)

[cameron]

Then, why does this woman have me on "ignore"? :lol:
In the first place; I'm not a woman. In the second place I just don't like your attitude .
I'll let Rhinestone speak for self.
Back to ignore.

I'm truly sorry you feel as JJ does ,KPM.
But, opinions are like noses. everyone has one...unless it's been chopped off.
You're entitled.(y)

[Tony Trout]

I can understand why people want to believe that Elvis is still alive, but if he is.... and I say this only to make a point..... If he is alive then he almost certainly doesn't deserve the fans respect! If Elvis has indeed faked his death, he has treated his fans with such disdain that I would certainly be very disappointed.

Elvis' life was nowhere near as difficult as some have made out, this has been exaggerated. Yes things could be tough but nothing that hadn't been handled in the past. He would have to be one selfish SOB to carry out such a plan, not only because his family have suffered in such a terrible way. Vernon is on the verge of a breakdown on "Elvis In Concert". When Vernon makes those very touching comments at the end, he is obviously very emotional, this cannot be faked by a man who is plainly very ill. Are you saying Elvis would put his father through such emotional turmoil??!!

For such a plot to be convincing very few people could know of his plans, and for such a plan to take place many people would have to know, this includes his daughter, she would have to believe that her father was dead to be convincing.. at what point would those close to him be told he was alive, because Priscilla has been putting the boot in on Elvis almost since his "Alleged" death.

It beggars belief that Elvis would fake his death.... WHY? If he felt he needed to get away from it all he could have simply locked himself away in a villa in Hawaii for 12 months or more, quite frankly the way his career was going no-one would have blamed him for some R&R.

There was NO real reason for Elvis to fake his death, I am sure there are things that don't add up, timescales etc on the day, but do we really need to know the nitty gritty of everything that happened on Aug 16th down to the last second? I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!

Quite why the theorists have to question some of the most mundane things and turn it into a conspiracy or Cover Up is beyond my simple reasoning, sometimes the simplest explanation IS the most obvious answer...... Elvis died Aug 16th 1977


Total Agreement- perfect assessment(y)(y)


Agreed....now may we please move on to a happier topic?

[Merry]

Yes, wonderful suggestion, Tony.


I was thinking too, remember the thread whereas Elvis had so much love and respect for his fans, and how touched a lot of us were? Some didn't realise how deep this flowed within Elvis? How Elvis genuinely felt this way, with all his heart and soul? How he showed it through doing things for others, always giving of his time, always being there for his fans? Loving them? Cherishing them?

It would be lovely, in my opinion, to have a little "Respect". Like Aretha sings.

Take care,
Kim





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[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I'm truly sorry you feel as JJ does ,KPM.
But, opinions are like noses. everyone has one...unless it's been chopped off.
You're entitled.(y)

How very rude, exactly why do you feel you have the right to be this way? YOU are one of the first to jump on the band waggon when someone uses their opinion in such a fashion. YOU ARE A BULLY (n)

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Elvis had so much love and respect for his fans, and how touched a lot of us were? Some didn't realise how deep this flowed within Elvis? How Elvis genuinely felt this way, with all his heart and soul? How he showed it through doing things for others, always giving of his time, always being there for his fans? Loving them? Cherishing them?

Kim, this is exactly the point I was making in my earlier thread, Elvis had way too much personal integrity to fake his own death, both because of his family and us the fans!

There is nothing to show that he would fake his own death, he loved his family way too much to put them through such a traumatic life long event.

[Merry]

Kim, this is exactly the point I was making in my earlier thread, Elvis had way too much personal integrity to fake his own death, both because of his family and us the fans!

There is nothing to show that he would fake his own death, he loved his family way too much to put them through such a traumatic life long event.



Hey JJ,

Thanks for replying. I'm talking generally, myself included, with regard to interaction.

With regard to Elvis faking his death, or not? Well, who knows what circumstances were at the time, if things are done, or not done, for the greater good, when looking through one man's eyes. It is difficult to understand anyone's viewpoint, unless they all know the facts, and are in that person's shoes.

That is a debate, which isn't one for me to be involved with.

To me, that particular man, Elvis, he is gone, but I love the memoryb, that took his place.

Take care,
Kim

[Stryx]

Hey JJ,

Thanks for replying. I'm talking generally, myself included, with regard to interaction.

With regard to Elvis faking his death, or not? Well, who knows what circumstances were at the time, if things are done, or not done, for the greater good, when looking through one man's eyes. It is difficult to understand anyone's viewpoint, unless they all know the facts, and are in that person's shoes.

That is a debate, which isn't one for me to be involved with.

To me, that particular man, Elvis, he is gone, but I love the memoryb, that took his place.

Take care,
Kim


Elvis died. An autopsy was performed on him and he aint flippin burgers in Arizona for a living.

Why do people refuse to 'accept' he's gone? In part it explains why so many 'fantasy's' about his life.

And as for the poster who said what Marty and Billy said in Revelations.....you may remember that even though Elvis was considering it.....when he went out the back entrance of Graceland in 'super top secret psyche' he came back in the front waving at his fans!!! He loved the attention - and that's a great book by Nash.

[presley31]

Hey JJ,

Thanks for replying. I'm talking generally, myself included, with regard to interaction.

With regard to Elvis faking his death, or not? Well, who knows what circumstances were at the time, if things are done, or not done, for the greater good, when looking through one man's eyes. It is difficult to understand anyone's viewpoint, unless they all know the facts, and are in that person's shoes.

That is a debate, which isn't one for me to be involved with.

To me, that particular man, Elvis, he is gone, but I love the memoryb, that took his place.

Take care,
Kim

well said jess(y)(y)

[jak]

Kim, this is exactly the point I was making in my earlier thread, Elvis had way too much personal integrity to fake his own death, both because of his family and us the fans!

There is nothing to show that he would fake his own death, he loved his family way too much to put them through such a traumatic life long event.

You pretty much sum it all up in your post.Elvis was to good a person to do something like that.The ones that persist with that nonsense make him and his fans look like fools.It's unfortunate his fan base contains that element.
Jak

[KPM]

You pretty much sum it all up in your post.Elvis was to good a person to do something like that.The ones that persist with that nonsense make him and his fans look like fools.It's unfortunate his fan base contains that element.
Jak
My brothers band was setting up in a local night spot and I was helping him take in his amps. He introduced me to a couple who were huge Elvis fans also. Before the night was over the guy tells me he thinks Elvis is still alive and that he faked his death. I told him:
"I wish he had not died. I wish he was still here and making us happy with his voice-but hes gone."
The guy started to cry. It was an uncomfortable moment and I felt bad.
But the guy wanted him to be alive so bad, I think thats part of it.

[Merry]

My brothers band was setting up in a local night spot and I was helping him take in his amps. He introduced me to a couple who were huge Elvis fans also. Before the night was over the guy tells me he thinks Elvis is still alive and that he faked his death. I told him:
"I wish he had not died. I wish he was still here and making us happy with his voice-but hes gone."
The guy started to cry. It was an uncomfortable moment and I felt bad.
But the guy wanted him to be alive so bad, I think thats part of it.


In my opinion, KPM, that man is obviously a lovely person.

Nothing wrong with loving someone so much, it brings out that type of emotion, nothng at all.

Kim

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[KPM]

In my opinion, KPM, that man is obviously a lovely person.

Nothing wrong with loving someone so much, it brings out that type of emotion, nothng at all.

Kim

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You are correct, he was a nice guy. my brother knew him pretty well and told me he was probably a bigger fan of Elvis than I. He wanted to believe Elvis was alive so badly. I really felt bad that what I said made him get so upset-but I did not say it to hurt him. I said it because I believed it and did not want to lie to him about it.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Nothing gets by this group. All the intelligence, able to quickly tell how someone should have lived. Able to criticize and be right. Who wouldn't want fans likee that? Who could, if they had been there, make everything right. But actually couldn't last a week with all the pressure. Just ask one of the guys. I have news for those who think they are friends with any of the guys, they are just going along to getnyyou off their backs. They would tell you anything. But don't worry I won't bore you anymore, consider me a memory.

To acknowledge Elvis' weaknesses is not to put him down, it is to accept that he did indeed suffer, he did have problems. To say that Elvis was impervious to pressure is wrong, to say the MM are wholly wrong is a misconception, if so many say the same thing would suggest that some of these elements are true!

[cameron]

How very rude, exactly why do you feel you have the right to be this way? YOU are one of the first to jump on the band waggon when someone uses their opinion in such a fashion. YOU ARE A BULLY (n)

I don't know why you think what I said was rude. Good grief.
I AM sorry he feels the same way you do. The things you said were way out of lline, IMO.
You have no idea what Elvis would have done or not done.None of us do.
IMO, that is a big problem on some of these places. None of us knew all he was going through. To judge any person without knowing hurts not only them. but ones own credibilty as well.

The rest was a joke ..but,he IS entitled to his opinion.

[KPM]

I don't know why you think what I said was rude. Good grief.
I AM sorry he feels the same way you do. The things you said were way out of line, IMO. I never thought he was like that.

The rest was a joke ..he IS entitled to his opinion.
You never thought I was like that? Pal I'm the same person I was before I made that post. I have not changed nor said anything which could be taken as offensive.
I agree with JJ that if Elvis would have faked his death it would have been a cruel thing to do to his fans. IMO Elvis would have known how many people this would hurt- and he would not have done this. We have talked several times of how much Elvis appreciated and loved his fans, ask yourself would that person do this to his fans?
IMO His life was no picnic but he would have never have left the limelight and hurt the people who put him on top. It would have taken a monumental plan to fake the death of someone as famous as Elvis was. You obviously don't see it that way-and I'm fine with that. But on this we disagree.

[ksimms2]

I don't know why you think what I said was rude. Good grief.
I AM sorry he feels the same way you do. The things you said were way out of lline, IMO.
You have no idea what Elvis would have done or not done.None of us do.
IMO, that is a big problem on some of these places. None of us knew all he was going through. To judge any person without knowing hurts not only them. but ones own credibilty as well.

The rest was a joke ..but,he IS entitled to his opinion.

None of us know what Elvis would have done, etc. that is why there are forums like these - to discuss what we think - what we know (if we know insiders) etc. So you can't disregard everything everyone says because we can't prove it - we only have the books that were written by those that were there and also some on here claim to know "insiders"........since Elvis is not here himself - all we can do is discuss and speculate and go by what others that were there have said. If we believed as you do Cameron, then this whole forum should not exist. The biggest thing is - to accept others opinions even if you don't agree - and move on.

[cameron]

You never thought I was like that? Pal I'm the same person I was before I made that post. I have not changed nor said anything which could be taken as offensive.
I agree with JJ that if Elvis would have faked his death it would have been a cruel thing to do to his fans. IMO Elvis would have known how many people this would hurt- and he would not have done this. We have talked several times of how much Elvis appreciated and loved his fans, ask yourself would that person do this to his fans?
IMO His life was no picnic but he would have never have left the limelight and hurt the people who put him on top. It would have taken a monumental plan to fake the death of someone as famous as Elvis was. You obviously don't see it that way-and I'm fine with that. But on this we disagree.

Where in the world do you see anyplace that I say Elvis faked his death?
Never !! IF I knew something like that I'd sure never tell anyone.
To put words in my mouth or Elvis' on anything he might or might not do ..is pretty far out.
I've no idea what he might do and neither does anyone else, IMO.
To speak for someone we don't know is pretty arrogant of any of us.

[KPM]

[QUOTE=ksimms2;148343]None of us know what Elvis would have done, etc. that is why there are forums like these - to discuss what we think - what we know (if we know insiders) etc. So you can't disregard everything everyone says because we can't prove it - we only have the books that were written by those that were there and also some on here claim to know "insiders"........since Elvis is not here himself - all we can do is discuss and speculate and go by what others that were there have said. If we believed as you do Cameron, then this whole forum should not exist. The biggest thing is - to accept others opinions even if you don't agree - and move on.[/QUOTE
You are correct-no one knows all the ins and outs of Elvis. You read and listen, and discuss with others what you've heard. Insiders can give you the whole truth or lie like anyone else.(in books interviews or in person) Things can be mistaken or not understood by many involved. That is not just true about Elvis-thats life day in and day out.
IMO somethings are just adding up pieces and using your own judgement to come to an answer about what they mean. Naturally some will agree and some will not.

[cameron]

None of us know what Elvis would have done, etc. that is why there are forums like these - to discuss what we think - what we know (if we know insiders) etc. So you can't disregard everything everyone says because we can't prove it - we only have the books that were written by those that were there and also some on here claim to know "insiders"........since Elvis is not here himself - all we can do is discuss and speculate and go by what others that were there have said. If we believed as you do Cameron, then this whole forum should not exist. The biggest thing is - to accept others opinions even if you don't agree - and move on.

All I've ever said is; one should not believe everything one reads.
Nor the reasons or the people who write such things.
So much of the stuff discussed here and other places is taken as "Gospel."

I'm the biggest defender of all being able to express their opinions. Without someone making fun of them or putting them down.
I just don't believe everything written in a book is truth.
Is it not also true ones should accept my opinion as well ?

[KPM]

Where in the world do you see anyplace that I say Elvis faked his death?
Never !! IF I knew something like that I'd sure never tell anyone.
To put words in my mouth or Elvis' on anything he might or might not do ..is pretty far out.
I've no idea what he might do and neither does anyone else, IMO.
To speak for someone we don't know is pretty arrogant of any of us.
Gee pal I was speaking about the post JJ made-he mentioned the faked death-I did not attribute it to you? So I did not mean to imply you said that. you took it wrong. As far as putting words in Elvis's mouth I have heard and read "he loved and appreciated his fans" and "if you love and appreciate someone" its not much of a jump to say "You would not hurt them" I believe Elvis when he said many many times he loved his fans. I also believe he would not hurt them. That is my opinion nothing more. I do not consider my self arrogant by any stretch of the imagination. You have made some big leaps in your assumptions regarding my post(or posts) If I did not make it clear what I was saying I am sorry. But when we do not agree there is no need to get bent out of shape. I wish we did all agree on every subject, but its not possible. We all have the right to an opinion. When they are not the same thats life and its okay.

[Merry]

..... Elvis would have done or not done.None of us do.
IMO, that is a big problem on some of these places. None of us knew all he was going through. To judge any person without knowing hurts not only them. but ones own credibilty as well.




I agree with you, Cameron.

Kim

[cameron]

......" I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!"quote JJ

This is the only part I agreed with that he posted.
The rest is just presuming he knows and judging what anyone else thinks or would do...including Elvis.
I just don't do that because I can't know what Elvis or anyone might do in the right circumstances . It's a moot point.

[KPM]

......" I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!"quote JJ

This is the only part I agreed with that he posted.
The rest is just presuming he knows and judging what anyone else thinks or would do...including Elvis.
I just don't do that because I can't know what Elvis or anyone might do in the right circumstances . It's a moot point.
I agree no one can know what Elvis would have done on anything, No one can know what he thought on anything. You are correct. If you could check all my posts you would see I have made that point many times. I have consistently said "Elvis would have a story to tell" "Elvis would have an opinion about the MM" and every other topic we discuss. I can not speak for Elvis-I can speculate on what he might or might not do by the things he actually did do and say while he was alive. On some questions that is all you can do-he can not answer them for us.
But think about it- in a way didn't you make a judgement on me when you said
"I did not know he was like that" Like what? -It doesn't matter- I did not take it personal. I'm sure you did not mean it personal.
I was just agreeing with JJ on his post. I did not do it to irritate anyone. I did it because I agreed nothing more. If I had disagreed I would have told him so also-in a friendly way.

[cameron]

It might be because of the way we express ourselves. Not only personally, but from different countries.
Let's just let it go at that.

I saw no reason to go through JJ's post and take it apart piece by piece.
I just told him the part I agreed with .
......" I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!"quote JJ

That IMO, is what any Elvis site and fan should be about.
The rest is immaterial and does nothing but leave him without dignity.

I knew a man that wrote a timeline on how Elvis died.
It might have been ok, except it got pretty graphic. Consequence was : it shocked everyone and people left. His place closed down. No one denied Elvis died; they just didn't appreciate the graphic details which left him no dignity.
Maybe, that's what I'm trying to say to many.

Discuss all you want; but leave the man his dignity.We owe him. :'(

[Awickedreigndrop]

I can't understand why people can't just let him rest in peace. My friend's mother has this friend, she's not an Elvis fan never have been and don't know much about the man. Yet she believes that he's alive and she's part of this one organization that's investigate Elvis' death and other things. I forgot what it's called. I think it's people like her that keeps these rumors going.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

......" I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!"quote JJ

This is the only part I agreed with that he posted.
The rest is just presuming he knows and judging what anyone else thinks or would do...including Elvis.
I just don't do that because I can't know what Elvis or anyone might do in the right circumstances . It's a moot point.

And so the bully boy tactics continue!!!

I don't PRESUME, please re-read my post, it is in part a statement made from what we have already agreed on this forum by YOU and others, the rest is supposition, I have not put words in Elvis' mouth in any way what so ever. We have opinions, where have I attacked yours?

Where am I judging what anyone else thinks in my initial post??

YOU have made this personal by first making the statement about KPM and now me. Again your behaviour is not that of someone who claims to want freedom of speech for this forum

You claim to just want to get on but you are nearly 1 page along, judging others by the standards you apparently dislike!

Your double standards are breathtaking :nono:

"Judge not less thee be judged yourself"

[cameron]

YOU have made this personal by first making the statement about KPM and now me. Again your behaviour is not that of someone who claims to want freedom of speech for this forum

Your double standards are breathtaking :nono:

"Judge not less thee be judged yourself"
As I've said to KPM :
It might be the language interpretation in our countries. It was not meant as personal to him. He speaks with great understanding and wisdom. I've always, mostly agreed with the way he thinks. It's you that have decided to make this your personal vendetta . Why? Because I disagree with you.
I thought "everyone had a right to express their opinion."It seems not, as you carry it on and on.
I agreed with you on one comment. The rest, I didn't. Period.

I did not mean it personal to you either or else I would have covered everything you said. I covered what I agreed with; the rest was just your opinions.

[KPM]

[QUOTE=cameron;148391]As I've said to KPM :
It might be the language interpretation in our countries.

I am from the US, midwest.

[cameron]

[QUOTE=cameron;148391]As I've said to KPM :
It might be the language interpretation in our countries.

I am from the US, midwest.

Great !! I guess you could say I am too. Then a misunderstanding concerning my interpretation of what you agreed with. IMO, this has been turned into something I never implied in any way.
I apologize to you.

[ksimms2]

Turbo, yes. Elvis is a wonderful human being to billions, not the few who have no lives. They need to be compartmented where they should be ...... There are a lot of egos out there, it is all about them, they projecting their lives. Sadly, and it is very upsetting, they pull Elvis apart, it means nothing to them, because in doing so, this then allows them, to boost their own egos. I've found that it is healthy to compartment them, by putting them in the outer circle. I have some wonderful memories, from the man I met two years ago, it is he who I care for, in this time frame, as I only know him. I've found that if you dwell on what is lovely, animals, the love people have....There are so many.... thinking good thoughts, dwelling on the good out there, helps. Feeling loved, honey, helps to heal, healing, there is a lot of love..... hugs, xxxx

I'm a bit confused by this post...???

[KPM]

[QUOTE=KPM;148501]

Great !! I guess you could say I am too. Then a misunderstanding concerning my interpretation of what you agreed with. IMO, this has been turned into something I never implied in any way.
I apologize to you.
All I can say is no group of varied people are going to agree all the time- but even when we do not-I am the same person as the one you have agreed with on other occassions. I do not change who I am or how I think.
But as new info or topics arise I take each and examine them as I always do to comment.

[ksimms2]

[QUOTE=cameron;148508]
All I can say is no group of varied people are going to agree all the time- but even when we do not-I am the same person as the one you have agreed with on other occassions. I do not change who I am or how I think.
But as new info or topics arise I take each and examine them as I always do to comment.

that was nicely put KPM....you are such a logical fellow. (and I mean that in a good way)