Jacket Worn During '68 Special/Nixon Meeting--The Same One?

[Tony Trout]

I was watching the '68 Comeback Special this morning and I'd like to ask a question....

I've heard that the jacket he wore during the sequence of the "Trouble" nightclub scene is the same jacket that he wore when he met President Nixon two years later.

Is this true?

[Diane]

I don't think so Tony, looks a little different to me but Leroy would know for sure......Leroy you there? :)

Diane

[poormansgold]

I think don't so Too.
Tom

[tcbtigerman]

IT IS!!! the same jacket.Its about time people figured that one out,lol.He wore it over one of his cosack suits over his shoulders.A lot of people think its a cape,but its not!...Its the same jacket from '68.

[Tony Trout]

IT IS!!! the same jacket.Its about time people figured that one out,lol.He wore it over one of his cosack suits over his shoulders.A lot of people think its a cape,but its not!...Its the same jacket from '68.


You are correct. It is, in fact, the very same jacket. I got a reply from EPE 'bout the jacket this morning (although the person who replied was sort of being a ******** with their reply....*rollseyes*).

[Danny Ocean]

It's the same jacket.. Oh yeah you all know the blue suit he wore in 1970? He wore it offstage.. and there's footage of it seen on the TTWII outtakes. (the picture of '69 with the sunglasses on). It's the same suit he wore on the family pictures made in 1970 with Priscilla and Lisa Marie

[Getlo]

Oh yeah you all know the blue suit he wore in 1970? He wore it offstage.. and there's footage of it seen on the TTWII outtakes. (the picture of '69 with the sunglasses on). It's the same suit he wore on the family pictures made in 1970 with Priscilla and Lisa Marie

No, it isn't.

Those two suits are two different shades of blue. And you can see in these two photos that the jacket part has an entirely different cut to the TTWII one.

[KPM]

No, it isn't.

Those two suits are two different shades of blue. And you can see in these two photos that the jacket part has an entirely different cut to the TTWII one.
Its hard to tell by photos-light the photo is taken by, the exposure time, camera quality all have an effect on the final picture and color. The fact that Lisa is covering the front of the jacket and he is wearing a shirt underneath also makes it hard to compare.

[EDOEP]

I was watching the '68 Comeback Special this morning and I'd like to ask a question....

I've heard that the jacket he wore during the sequence of the "Trouble" nightclub scene is the same jacket that he wore when he met President Nixon two years later.

Is this true?

yes, it is! we had that discussion in another forum 1 or 2 years ago .... and leroy confirmed it's the same.

tony, see also here where i posted pictures.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=13143&highlight=nixon

hope this helps.

hugs, ellie

[Getlo]

Its hard to tell by photos-light the photo is taken by, the exposure time, camera quality all have an effect on the final picture and color. The fact that Lisa is covering the front of the jacket and he is wearing a shirt underneath also makes it hard to compare.

Look at the photos again. In the one with Lisa, there is a sewn line running down the jacket just to the left of the buttons (Elvis' left that is). A deliberate fold in the fabric you'd find on suits of the day.

That is not on the TTWII suit.

They are two different outfits.

[KPM]

Look at the photos again. In the one with Lisa, there is a sewn line running down the jacket just to the left of the buttons (Elvis' left that is). A deliberate fold in the fabric you'd find on suits of the day.

That is not on the TTWII suit.

They are two different outfits.
That sewn line has a term and I can't recall what it is- could be its called a "jet" Perhaps one of the ladys knows.
I see it and can not see the other jacket well enough to know if it has that also. I don't know if its the same or not my comment was only about how color can be altered by many things when taking a picture. Leroy might be the one with the answer.

[jak]

Im not positive but I doubt it's the same jacket.I thought the nixon suit was some kind of crush velvet material.I cant believe Elvis could still fit into that jacket in 72.He was extremely lean in 68.
Jak

[KPM]

Im not positive but I doubt it's the same jacket.I thought the nixon suit was some kind of crush velvet material.I cant believe Elvis could still fit into that jacket in 72.He was extremely lean in 68.
Jak
Where did the rumor start that this coat was purple crushed velvet-I read it in a couple books. Elvis met Nixon on Dec. 21, 1970 so maybe the coat would still fit-but if it is the same double breasted coat as the 68 special- it fits much more snug and it is unbuttoned. In the 68 special it is buttoned and looks almost a little too big.

[marijaep]

yes, it is! we had that discussion in another forum 1 or 2 years ago .... and leroy confirmed it's the same.

tony, see also here where i posted pictures.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=13143&highlight=nixon

hope this helps.

hugs, ellie

Yes, Ellie, this is my fav. suit and in another thread about Elvis' clothing you uploaded some pics of the same suit from The Comeback :D That's when I first found out that it's the same one! Thanks for that! - hehe :clap:

[tcbtigerman]

Im not positive but I doubt it's the same jacket.I thought the nixon suit was some kind of crush velvet material.I cant believe Elvis could still fit into that jacket in 72.He was extremely lean
in 68.
Jak


The Nixon suit was never a crush velvet suit.It consists of 2 outfits thrown together.Its one of his cosack suit a black one to be exact and the jacket is NOT a cape like a lot of people thought.He wears the jacket over his shoulders,didnt put it on.It looks like a cape.They have it on display at Graceland now,but if you look at the pictures and look really close you can figure it out.

[jak]

I think the Jerry Hopkins bio said it was crushed velvet.I made a typo on the year.He sure looked heavier when he met nixon though.
Jak

[Diane]

I think the suit that is the crushed velvet is the one Elvis wore at Sonny's wedding.

Diane

[Getlo]

That sewn line has a term and I can't recall what it is- could be its called a "jet"

Yeah, I couldn't recall it either.

But you can see on other pics of the TTWII blue outfit that it doesn't have it. They're two different outfits, and the TTWII one is made of shinier material, and that is evident in every photo.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I'm pretty sure that the 68 jacket is the same as the one worn to see Nixon as Leroy has already mentioned this in numerous threads.

The blue jacket worn in the Priscilla & Lisa photo session looks the same as the one worn in TTWII, I certainly wouldn't bet money on it not being, on closer inspection of the photo's attached they look identicle :hmm:

[toffe]

Hum, is this true ?i did not know that, can someone post pictures there we can see that it is the same jacket ? (y)

[Leroy]

Okay...... I'm glad most of ya all seem to agree. The oufit Elvis wore while meeting the president was the 1969 "Black Cossack Top Two-piece", with a white high collared shirt. Over his shoulders he wore the 1968 jacket. This jacket is made of crushed velvet but it's not purple. it's black. It has small purple trim on the edges of the pockets and collar. It has a very colourful Paisley lining.

It was Albert Goldman who started the "purple crushed velvet suit with cape" rumour. This was also used in the movie "When Elvis met Nixon".

About the blue outfit he's wearing during the photo shoot with Priscilla and Lisa Marie I can be very short and sweet. It's the same outfit as the blue two-piece he's wearing backstage during the August/September 1970 Las Vegas engagement. The only difference are the laces Elvis is wearing in Las Vegas. They were taken out later, probably because Elvis started wearing shirts underneath.
I do hope this this comment helps ya all out.

[TCBnAflash]

It looks like the same suit. The photos are taken in two different ways. One is a candid the other was a professional photo session for family pictures. Probably the last photo session he ever had done.

[Danny Ocean]

Thanks Leroy for your information

[Danny Ocean]

Leroy, now we're talking here about the same clothes. Can you help me with something? I'm wondering if the leather suit he wore at the backstage party seen in TTWII is the same as the Comeback Suit. They look the same but it's hard to tell. Maybe you know more about it.

[Getlo]

About the blue outfit he's wearing during the photo shoot with Priscilla and Lisa Marie I can be very short and sweet. It's the same outfit as the blue two-piece he's wearing backstage during the August/September 1970 Las Vegas engagement.

Well, we're going to have to "agree to disagree" on this one.

The cut is different in both outfits; there is the "jet" thing on the family photo outfit. And, once again, they are two different shades of blue in every example of the differing photos.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

About the blue outfit he's wearing during the photo shoot with Priscilla and Lisa Marie I can be very short and sweet. It's the same outfit as the blue two-piece he's wearing backstage during the August/September 1970 Las Vegas engagement. The only difference are the laces Elvis is wearing in Las Vegas. They were taken out later, probably because Elvis started wearing shirts underneath.
I do hope this this comment helps ya all out.

Thank you for your input on this Leroy, knowing how much time you put into your research I would now bet money that these two are the same outfit (y)

[Getlo]

Thank you for your input on this Leroy, knowing how much time you put into your research I would now bet money that these two are the same outfit (y)

Sorry, not to sound like a complete ***** here, but while Leroy puts in a lot of effort into the jumpsuits research etc, he is only offering his own opinion about these blue suits here.

I'm sure he hasn't had access to the designers or the original patterns of this one!

[Tommy]

Thank you for your input on this Leroy, knowing how much time you put into your research I would now bet money that these two are the same outfit (y)

I agree Matt.(y)

(y)Thanks Leroy, you're absolutely correct!(y)

[Tommy]

Sorry, not to sound like a complete ***** here, but while Leroy puts in a lot of effort into the jumpsuits research etc, he is only offering his own opinion about these blue suits here.

I'm sure he hasn't had access to the designers or the original patterns of this one!

Leroy has had personal experiences with the designers. Talked to them up close and personal. (y)

[Diane]

I agree with Leroy too. I've gone over these pictures several times. The yoke in both suits and seams down the jacket are the same and I've seen other pictures where both jackets have a shiny surface. The blue changes in almost every picture you see on both as well.

Diane

[Getlo]

Leroy has had personal experiences with the designers. Talked to them up close and personal. (y)

Yeah, yeah, that's all well and good. I've had contact with Belew and Ducette myself.

But is there proof from these designers that these two outfits are the same, or is Leroy simply furnishing an opinion here?

I'm willing to accept that the blue suits are one in the same, but not without some sort of proof. As it stands, and based on the photos, there is nothing to suggest - to my eyes at least - that they are the same.

[presley31]

Thank you Leroy.

[EDOEP]

Yeah, yeah, that's all well and good. I've had contact with Belew and Ducette myself.

But is there proof from these designers that these two outfits are the same, or is Leroy simply furnishing an opinion here?

I'm willing to accept that the blue suits are one in the same, but not without some sort of proof. As it stands, and based on the photos, there is nothing to suggest - to my eyes at least - that they are the same.

in order to provide getlo with the definite 'proof' he's looking for .... maybe we should suggest EPE to cut out small samples of each piece of wardrobe (IF there are 2 similar looking ones at all!) and have them examined by specialists of the memphis CSI .... :hmm:?

alternatively we could circulate the forum-collection-plate and provide him with an excellent pair of specs :blink:







:lmfao:

[Getlo]

in order to provide getlo with the definite 'proof' he's looking for .... maybe we should suggest EPE to cut out small samples of each piece of wardrobe (IF there are 2 similar looking ones at all!) and have them examined by specialists of the memphis CSI .... :hmm:?

alternatively we could circulate the forum-collection-plate and provide him with an excellent pair of specs :blink:


This comment is about as amusing as a bowel obstruction. :mad:

Like a lot of posters on here, you blindly accept someone's opinion without any verification. Enjoy your ride down that highway when Graceland gets torn down.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

This comment is about as amusing as a bowel obstruction. :mad:

Like a lot of posters on here, you blindly accept someone's opinion without any verification. Enjoy your ride down that highway when Graceland gets torn down.

As opposed to your opinion??!! I'm sorry but I haven't seen any proof from your threads that says that these suits are different, the picture that I have added with Elvis and Lisa looks the same colour as that famous one shown from TTWII, the design is Identical.

As for just blindly accepting someones opinion, I make my own mind up and when this is backed up by someone who is as dedicated as Leroy in the Elvis wardrobe department I will accept his word over and above someone who just wants to argue the toss. (n)

[Getlo]

As opposed to your opinion??!!

Again, you've missed the point entirely.

Posting an opinion is all well and good.

But to accept something as fact (when we're talking about specific things like a jumpsuit, concert, movie or song etc) is simply wrong, and fosters the many myths that abound in the Elvis world.

Perhaps when Leroy comes back on, he could be more specific here about whether its his opinion about the suits, or if he has details about them in his files. If he does, fine. Otherwise, this fascinating "debate" about the blue suits continues. Not once have I ever said anyone was wrong for believing that the suits are the same, so do not presume to believe that's what I think. As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. It remains unproven as yet that the suits are different. Why is it so hard for people on here when myself and others ask for definitive proof of something?

I think even Leroy would be embarrassed by some people taking his word as gospel without backup.

Over to Leroy perhaps?

[Getlo]

The picture that I have added with Elvis and Lisa looks the same colour as that famous one shown from TTWII


To your eyes perhaps, but not mine.

It's a scientific fact that people perceive colours differently.

You think it's the same colour? Good for you. I don't.

If we get word that they're the same suit - great, I'll accept it. No harm, no foul.

But - moderator or not - please don't come at me for "forcing" my opinions onto other people when you appear to be doing the same thing on me.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

But - moderator or not - please don't come at me for "forcing" my opinions onto other people when you appear to be doing the same thing on me.

I never use my moderator-ship as a tool to force people to believe what I consider to be the truth, I haven't been rude or personal and my tone is not forceful in any way what so ever. From your previous posts it is obvious that you are argumentative if others do not believe your theories.

I will leave this thread and its content for critical thinkers to decide for themselves!

[Danny Ocean]

Larry Geller "Elvis only had one of those blue suits. The last time I saw it was in 1973 when he tried it on and just said 'To bad it doesn't fit anymore'. Took it downstairs and gave it to some of the guys. He had blue jackets with laces in the 70's but he had just one suit"

[KPM]

I agree Matt.(y)

(y)Thanks Leroy, you're absolutely correct!(y)
Yep thank you Leroy, I know you would not say something unless you were 99.9% sure.

[Tony Trout]

Larry Geller "Elvis only had one of those blue suits. The last time I saw it was in 1973 when he tried it on and just said 'To bad it doesn't fit anymore'. Took it downstairs and gave it to some of the guys. He had blue jackets with laces in the 70's but he had just one suit"


Hmmm....not disagreein' but I don't think that Larry was around Elvis in '73....he didn't worm his way back into the group permanently until sometime in '76 so how could he have been there in '73??

[toffe]

Thanks for info Leroy! :)

[KPM]

I'm pretty sure that the 68 jacket is the same as the one worn to see Nixon as Leroy has already mentioned this in numerous threads.

The blue jacket worn in the Priscilla & Lisa photo session looks the same as the one worn in TTWII, I certainly wouldn't bet money on it not being, on closer inspection of the photo's attached they look identicle :hmm:
The second picture looks brighter because it appears to me the flash was very close-I also notice what appears to be sewn line we've talked about on it now that I looked closer.

[EDOEP]

This comment is about as amusing as a bowel obstruction. :mad:

:P lucky me does not suffer from such little ailments. hence i cannot judge the level of amusement they provoke.

i just wanted to point out that the kind of 'proof' you obviously would accept cannot be given by anybody but EPE themselves - and a thorough investigation (since EPE from time to time seems to know less than some fans do ....).


Like a lot of posters on here, you blindly accept someone's opinion without any verification. Enjoy your ride down that highway when Graceland gets torn down.

well, with a nearsightedness of 9 dioptries i accept almost anything in life 'blindly' :lmfao:...

back to topic:
'verification' ... see above. can you provide a proof for 'falsification'?!

there are few fans around who have the expertise on the levels of JJ or leroy. i think their knowledge should suffice for us, shouldn't it? plus then we add our own little knowledge, a little bit of logic, what we can see on pictures, what we can read in and from reliable sources and we come to halfway acceptable conclusion, don't we?

this has nothing to do with a lack of criticism. and BTW, even IF it was 'believing without verification' .... why on earth should this lead to graceland being 'torn down'???

ellie

[KPM]

Hmmm....not disagreein' but I don't think that Larry was around Elvis in '73....he didn't worm his way back into the group permanently until sometime in '76 so how could he have been there in '73??
I think he still visited Elvis on occasion.

[Danny Ocean]

In 1972 he saw Elvis again.. Elvis asked him to go with him to hawaii (aloha from Hawaii) in 1973 but he had other things to do.. but he was "hired" again in 1973.

[Getlo]

i just wanted to point out that the kind of 'proof' you obviously would accept cannot be given by anybody but EPE themselves

Er, no actually. I usually take what EPE says with a grain of salt. They wouldn't know a jumpsuit from a jumping jack!


can you provide a proof for 'falsification'?!

What are you talking about? No one is talking about a 'falsification' here! My point is that, so far, there's no proof that the suits are different!


there are few fans around who have the expertise on the levels of JJ or leroy. i think their knowledge should suffice for us, shouldn't it?

Yes, but only if they can provide PROOF - as Leroy has on many occasions about some jumpsuit queries. Does Leroy's research extend to Elvis' private wardrobe as well as the jumpsuits? (If it does, I haven't seen it mentioned on here). And neither you nor anyone here has any knowledge of my own expertise or experience with Elvis and his jumpsuits either.

I am not attacking Leroy here, especially as he posted his blue suit info without prejudice - but what I've asked here is: Is that info on the blue suit his opinion based on the photos, or does he have some inside information that could confirm either way? Why is this so complicated for people to understand? JJ and Leroy have been proven wrong on certain things before (and no, I am not suggesting they - or at least Leroy - are wrong here!).

What I am querying is why should JJ or Leroy's opinion about these two suits be accepted as fact when all they've done is offer their opinion? So far, the blue suit "debate" can't be proven either way. And, from the PMs I received since this thread began, there are at least seven people who - like me - think that the suits are different (based on our OPINIONS) . So why should our opinion - yes, let me stress that word again - opinion be any less valid than someone who's also offered theirs - but without specific proof??

And I notice that my second reply to JJ earlier today has been removed. Hmmmmm ... ;)

[Getlo]

I'm wondering if the leather suit he wore at the backstage party seen in TTWII is the same as the Comeback Suit.

Well, at the risk of starting another s***fight ...

The black leather comeback suit is not the one he wore backstage party seen in TTWII. The backstage one is made of a much shinier material, or possibly a shinier leather.

In my opinion, just to make that clear!

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

And I notice that my second reply to JJ earlier today has been removed. Hmmmmm ... ;)

I just don't understand why you have to be so aggressive? If you don't agree then that's fine, Its the way you disagree :doh:I only offer my opinion as do you. I don't then say where is your proof that it is not the same suit, when in my opinion it is obvious that it is the same?

It's not about blindly agreeing with anyone's opinion, you can formulate as many diverse opinions as you like, it doesn't change the fact that what I see based upon photographic evidence of this suit leads to a logical conclusion, there is no conspiracy, all the photographs are based around 1970, I have thousands of candid photo's in my collection and there is no evidence to suggest there is more that one version of this suit? I have not seen any pictures from Graceland to substantiate that there is two versions of this suit (although it is possible)

The conclusion I have made is not based on some half assed approach, it is based on a understanding of Elvis' wardrobe, I would never be so arrogant as to say I or anybody else is 100% right as new information is provided all the time. I suggest that it is logical to presume that the blue suits in these photo's are the same, although I understand why others may wish to question it, it would be nice to understand the logical reasons why they think they are not the same.

To answer one of your queries, yes Leroys knowledge does extend to Elvis' private wardrobe.

[Leroy]

Leroy, now we're talking here about the same clothes. Can you help me with something? I'm wondering if the leather suit he wore at the backstage party seen in TTWII is the same as the Comeback Suit. They look the same but it's hard to tell. Maybe you know more about it.

Danny, the black leather suit Elvis wore during the backstage party after his openingshow was based upon the leather jacket of the 1968 "NBC TV-Special", but it's not the same one. It's made of a more shiny material and it is thinner. I must have a picture of it somewhere.....
Yes, I found it. If you look close at the picture you can see that the cuffs are different and it also seems this jacket has no buttons to close it.

[Getlo]

Can anyone see a difference here, or is it just these old eyes?

The family suit (right) appears to have stitching at the end of the sleeve and behind the buttons, but the TTWII one (left) doesn't ... or maybe it's the quality of the TTWII pic that omits detail?

Leroy ... ?

[Getlo]

Nope, cancel that.

The TTWII one seems to have the same stitching, though it's hard to tell from pics.

So, yes ... it may very well be the same suit. (See, I'm not as obstinate as some have made out).

[goodelvisgirl]

well the suit from ttwii seems to be different from the one in the family pics a different shade of blue any way i don't know but it looks good in both pics

[Diane]

I see stitching on the sleeves of both suits and the blue changes with every photo.


Diane