Cashing in off Elvis

[Donut]

I find very disgusting how some people around him at the time turned Elvis into a way of making big money no matter what it took and how some others did it after he died knowing that then no one could stop them. From his manager that didn?t care at all what Elvis physical condition was, let a diying man work and kept booking him for more tours just to get his 50% to his ex-wife who saw heaven opening in front of her after he died cashing in on her failed marriage and her position as executor of the estate that keeps working for her 30 YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH.
Those are my two choices. Who do you think has cashed in the most off Elvis?

[ksimms2]

there are too many to list, the MM, ex girlfriends, or supposed ex girlfriends, his ex wife, his maid, anyone who was in contact with him pretty much. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad these books (well some of them) are out there, so we can learn more about him, but let's get real, how much can a person write about? Coming out with more than one book i.e. Joe Esposito, Sonny West, just don't see what else they can possibly say that hasn't already been said.....if that makes any sense.

[Diane]

In the beginning it was the Colonel who cashed in on Elvis the most but ultimately, Priscilla has gotten the most of all.

Diane

[presley31]

I have to say l think priscilla and the MM did alot of cashing in on elvis, but thats just my opinion.

[MissyM]

The big difference is that the MM worked for what they got. Pricilla did not, other than raising Lisa, which she deserved that. Would any of you hurt Elvis's feelings by turning down a gift he wanted to give you? No, I don't think so. How about the chance to work for him? No, I doubt that too.
As for the books written, that's a whole different subject.

[Donut]

I think the MM has got very little comparing the Col. and his most diligent pupil, Elvis ex-wife. The majority of the MM have managed to get and extra money off Elvis from time to time while having their own jobs but since the death of Elvis his ex-wife has secured herself a position in all related Elvis and all the money that gives. And before someone jumps up with the "there was almost no money left and she started it all for her daughter" I?ll say I don?t care at all what her monetary problems were and can?t care less about EPE. EPE is just a business, don?t confuse it with Elvis.

[Getlo]

Would any of you hurt Elvis's feelings by turning down a gift he wanted to give you? No, I don't think so.

I'd probably have accepted it ... just so long as it wasn't one of his "I'm sorry" gifts when he hurt people.


How about the chance to work for him? No, I doubt that too.

There is not enough money in the world that would make me take a job working for Elvis. No way, no how!

[Diane]

I agree 100% with your post Donut. (y)(y)(y)

Diane

[presley31]

To be quite honest who hasn't cashed in on elvis?? It seems that everybody been cashing in.

[ksimms2]

The big difference is that the MM worked for what they got. Pricilla did not, other than raising Lisa, which she deserved that. Would any of you hurt Elvis's feelings by turning down a gift he wanted to give you? No, I don't think so. How about the chance to work for him? No, I doubt that too.
As for the books written, that's a whole different subject.

you got that right.....the MM lived Elvis - 24/7. They neglected their wives/children for Elvis. It became a battle for them all because of this. They loved Elvis very much, they wanted to protect Elvis. Did you know as early as 1968 Priscilla and Elvis were estranged? They were going to separate, but they decided to give it another try. She was cheating on him too at this point with her dance instructor. (not that I blame her okay?) Anyways, I have a new respect for the MM after learning alot of what they did. And you are right, if someone were to offer you an expensive gift, would you turn it down? Do you know that some of the MM tried and Elvis would get mad? How can cars can one person own? They turned him down and he would get mad - one time he got mad and gave the vehicle to the car salesman. Other time he gave them to the plumbers/electricians who were working on his ranch in MS. He did not like to be told no.

[marijaep]

you got that right.....the MM lived Elvis - 24/7. They neglected their wives/children for Elvis. It became a battle for them all because of this. They loved Elvis very much, they wanted to protect Elvis. Did you know as early as 1968 Priscilla and Elvis were estranged? They were going to separate, but they decided to give it another try. She was cheating on him too at this point with her dance instructor. (not that I blame her okay?) Anyways, I have a new respect for the MM after learning alot of what they did. And you are right, if someone were to offer you an expensive gift, would you turn it down? Do you know that some of the MM tried and Elvis would get mad? How can cars can one person own? They turned him down and he would get mad - one time he got mad and gave the vehicle to the car salesman. Other time he gave them to the plumbers/electricians who were working on his ranch in MS. He did not like to be told no.

I agree :notworthy


but, still they all (including Priscilla...well, that's the truth, although I am a fan of hers ) sure made and are still making money on Elvis.
It's a fact.

[MissyM]

Giving made him happy, now ya just gotta ask yourself, "If it did, Why was Priccy so against it?" Elvis understood having nothing and he shared his good fortune with those who he knew grew up like he did. It was his right to decide who deserved it though, because he earned it. Not Cilla or Vernon. And there were many ppl who asked and never got.

[ksimms2]

Giving made him happy, now ya just gotta ask yourself, "If it did, Why was Priccy so against it?" Elvis understood having nothing and he shared his good fortune with those who he knew grew up like he did. It was his right to decide who deserved it though, because he earned it. Not Cilla or Vernon. And there were many ppl who asked and never got.

Once again Missy, you hit the nail on the head.....I think Vernon and Priscilla were against it for different reasons. Vernon wanted the money for himself and was afraid Elvis would run out. Priscilla, she just didn't want anybody around except Joe E. and his wife. Elvis did not know how to control money either though....he never thought it would run out I guess....he liked having a good time and if he wanted the MM along for the fun, he'd have to buy them the same stuff to keep up with him.....

[presley31]

Once again Missy, you hit the nail on the head.....I think Vernon and Priscilla were against it for different reasons. Vernon wanted the money for himself and was afraid Elvis would run out. Priscilla, she just didn't want anybody around except Joe E. and his wife. Elvis did not know how to control money either though....he never thought it would run out I guess....he liked having a good time and if he wanted the MM along for the fun, he'd have to buy them the same stuff to keep up with him.....

sorry kelly but l disagree, priscilla didn't have a say in anything till they were married and than she spoke up about things, I think vernon was very right about giving elvis trouble about the money cause elvis spend money like it was going out of style with left him hardy no money left at the end. The MM were living off elvis and took things for granted.

[ksimms2]

sorry kelly but l disagree, priscilla didn't have a say in anything till they were married and than she spoke up about things, I think vernon was very right about giving elvis trouble about the money cause elvis spend money like it was going out of style with left him hardy no money left at the end. The MM were living off elvis and took things for granted.

Jen, we'll agree to disagree....I think you are giving her and Vernon too much credit and not enough credit to the MM....but that's cool....I guess it depends on what you've read, etc. and the sources from which you read or saw it......(y)

[Johnny]

To be quite honest who hasn't cashed in on elvis?? It seems that everybody been cashing in.

And wouldn't we all, if we had been in their shoes? I just say like E, "just walk a mile in my shoes/Before you abuse, criticize and accuse". I've never understood fully the hatred against the entourage and nor even this hate thread.

And if Elvis had listened to Vernon and Priscilla about his extreme spending he wouldn't have had to sell his back catalogue.

Just my two cents, now let the flaming commence ....:blink:

[Merry]

Jen, we'll agree to disagree....I think you are giving her and Vernon too much credit and not enough credit to the MM....but that's cool....I guess it depends on what you've read, etc. and the sources from which you read or saw it......(y)


The MM's books are written to put themselves in a good light. Hearing the other side of stories, well, you would feel how I do.

You know with regard to the cars, that one of the MM said there was something wrong with one of his cars, hoping to get a new one? This story is from a friend of Charlie's.

Kim

[Diane]

I agree Jen, Vernon was looking out for Elvis and I don't believe it was just for selfishness. Elvis was spending way too much. If he had listened to Vernon, Graceland wouldn't have been in the financial shape it was when he died. Elvis simply did not have a good head when it came to money.

There is no way that I'm ever going to take what the MM say as God's truth. I think there is a lot of jealousy and misplaced resentment towards Elvis with that bunch.

Diane

[presley31]

I agree Jen, Vernon was looking out for Elvis and I don't believe it was just for selfishness. Elvis was spending way too much. If he had listened to Vernon, Graceland wouldn't have been in the financial shape it was when he died. Elvis simply did not have a good head when it came to money.

There is no way that I'm ever going to take what the MM say as God's truth. I think there is a lot of jealousy and misplaced resentment towards Elvis with that bunch.

Diane

Thank you diane, well said too (y)(y)

[Merry]

you got that right.....the MM lived Elvis - 24/7. They neglected their wives/children for Elvis. It became a battle for them all because of this. They loved Elvis very much, they wanted to protect Elvis. Did you know as early as 1968 Priscilla and Elvis were estranged? They were going to separate, but they decided to give it another try. She was cheating on him too at this point with her dance instructor. (not that I blame her okay?) Anyways, I have a new respect for the MM after learning alot of what they did. And you are right, if someone were to offer you an expensive gift, would you turn it down? Do you know that some of the MM tried and Elvis would get mad? How can cars can one person own? They turned him down and he would get mad - one time he got mad and gave the vehicle to the car salesman. Other time he gave them to the plumbers/electricians who were working on his ranch in MS. He did not like to be told no.


The MM were going on tour, neglecting their families (wives, playing up on them) for their own reasons, for the lifestyle (women and song) as the saying goes. This information comes from a friend of Elvis'.

Kelly, please read what I said re the cars. These guys, geez! All one faction of the MM do, is contradict each other, back stab each other (some aren't involved in this) self promote and justify. Shameful.

Kim

[Donut]

The MM were living off elvis and took things for granted.

I have to disagree on this one. They didn?t live off Elvis, they worked for Elvis and since he wanted them to be something like disciples/friends of his own fabricated world 24 hours a day he had to have them living in the same lifestyle. They took as much as he asked from them.

[Donut]

You know with regard to the cars, that one of the MM said there was something wrong with one of his cars, hoping to get a new one? This story is from a friend of Charlie's.

Kim

Are you talking to the same Charlie who got punched on the nose by Elvis because he said he deserved a car Elvis gave to other of them better?
LOL re source.

[Getlo]

The MM's books are written to put themselves in a good light.


And they are also written to counter the bull**** lies and allegations put out about them by devious fans who seek to alter the truth, and make Elvis out to be some kind of saint ...

[presley31]

charlie was the best of out all them in my eyes

[ksimms2]

The MM were going on tour, neglecting their families (wives, playing up on them) for their own reasons, for the lifestyle (women and song) as the saying goes. This information comes from a friend of Elvis'.

Kelly, please read what I said re the cars. These guys, geez! All one faction of the MM do, is contradict each other, back stab each other (some aren't involved in this) self promote and justify. Shameful.

Kim

okay Jess...thank you...I appreciate your input....there were actually several instances of the car situation....but you are right, depends on who you talk to as to what story you get.....so I certainly will not argue cause I'm certainly no expert. However, I'd hate to think that ALL the stuff said/written is lies. There has to be some truth in it don't you think?

[ksimms2]

Charlie also said one time when one of the guys quit, "good, more gravy train for us" when Elvis wasn't around. Then when Elvis came back...one of the guys made Charlie tell Elvis what he just said....Charlie wouldn't - so they told Elvis.....he wasn't happy. I like Charlie too....but don't make him into a saint too. They all got something out of Elvis...but I believe they also gave up their lives for him....they catered to his every whim because that is what elvis wanted.....that's just the life they were leading....it was "Elvis' world" and not the real world.......

[Getlo]

The MM were going on tour

That was part of their job!


neglecting their families (wives, playing up on them)

Not all of them did that!


This information comes from a friend of Elvis'.

Who???


All one faction of the MM do, is contradict each other

Please provide specific examples and sources. On balance, there is far more in the MM's stories that matches each other than contradicts.

[Diane]

Let's face it, if any of the MM hadn't wanted to walk on the wild side with Elvis they could have left and lived in the real world at any time....they didn't because they loved every minute of it being associated with the "King" so now they look pretty cheap with their allegations to me.

Diane

[Getlo]

Let's face it, if any of the MM hadn't wanted to walk on the wild side with Elvis they could have left and lived in the real world at any time....


Joe did.

Red did.

Jerry did.

Dick Grob did.

Marty Lacker did.

Gee Gee Gamble did.

Sonny did.

None of the MM, with the exception of Charlie, was working for Elvis 100% of the time.

[presley31]

Let's face it, if any of the MM hadn't wanted to walk on the wild side with Elvis they could have left and lived in the real world at any time....they didn't because they loved every minute of it being associated with the "King" so now they look pretty cheap with their allegations to me.

Diane

l agree diane(y)

[Diane]

They may have found out jobs temporarily but most came back like a moth to the flame and they all swooped back to cash in on Elvis every way they could.

Diane

[ksimms2]

They may have found out jobs temporarily but most came back like a moth to the flame and they all swooped back to cash in on Elvis every way they could.

Diane

Diane, most of the time Elvis asked them to come back - he was used to them being around him all the time. They didn't beg him to come back, only person that did that was Joe. Joe was fired/quit and eventually called and asked if he could come back. It's not like they begged to come back - Elvis would ask them to.

[Diane]

Sooooo, couldn't they have said "NO"???????

Diane

[ksimms2]

okay guys...I give in....I know we'll never agree on this subject and that's cool. That's what makes the world go 'round right?

Once they started working elsewhere, they had a hard time fitting in to the "normal" world. So when Elvis wanted them back - they would go back. I'm sure the perks were worth it for them too....they were just so used to living in his world.

[Getlo]

Sooooo, couldn't they have said "NO"???????


Oh, for God's sake!

If you believe that real friends don't back stab each other, then surely you must think that real friends wouldn't turn down someone in need as well??

Elvis asked them to come back because he needed them and wanted them. They were his best friends and family.

If they've have said no, you would've been the first to condemn them with "How could they ignore Elvis in his hour of need? If they'd have gone back to him, maybe they could've looked after him!"

Honestly, if you're going to bag the MM all the time (which is your right, as blinkered as that may be), at least be fair on them!

[presley31]

This is just another thing we don't agree on

[Diane]

Getlo, sometimes it's best to walk away from an alcoholic...same for drugs...as long as they were with Elvis they enabled him to continue in his self destructive ways. The book was way too late and the wrong way to go about it. They hit him when he was at his lowest point.

The MM need to take responsibility for their own lives and actions instead of dumping them all on Elvis now that he is gone....he had enough of his own to deal with.

Diane

[Stryx]

I find very disgusting how some people around him at the time turned Elvis into a way of making big money no matter what it took and how some others did it after he died knowing that then no one could stop them. From his manager that didn?t care at all what Elvis physical condition was, let a diying man work and kept booking him for more tours just to get his 50% to his ex-wife who saw heaven opening in front of her after he died cashing in on her failed marriage and her position as executor of the estate that keeps working for her 30 YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH.
Those are my two choices. Who do you think has cashed in the most off Elvis?

Ummm.....Elvis I guess. He was grown man could have stopped.

[Stryx]

sorry kelly but l disagree, priscilla didn't have a say in anything till they were married and than she spoke up about things, I think vernon was very right about giving elvis trouble about the money cause elvis spend money like it was going out of style with left him hardy no money left at the end. The MM were living off elvis and took things for granted.

Vernon was scared of going broke. He was one mean sob. From kicking Charlie out of Graceland ( which I think Charlie deserved seeing as he was up there drinking coffee in the kitchen with Vernon doing nothing really after Elvis died) to kicking Billy Smith out of Graceland and keeping the furniture in the trailer. Elvis gave that trailer to Billy - Vernon never changed the name on the deed after Elvis asked him to put it in Billy's name. And to think Vernon spent time in jail with Billy's dad.

Vernon was one mean tight man.

[Stryx]

And wouldn't we all, if we had been in their shoes? I just say like E, "just walk a mile in my shoes/Before you abuse, criticize and accuse". I've never understood fully the hatred against the entourage and nor even this hate thread.

And if Elvis had listened to Vernon and Priscilla about his extreme spending he wouldn't have had to sell his back catalogue.

Just my two cents, now let the flaming commence ....:blink:


Sorry....but Elvis HAD to sell it to PAY Priscilla the money for the divorce. Listen to her....the greedy woman demanded more money from him than what he originally agreed....and he agreed to the increase.

Priscilla is the reason for the sale of that back catalogue.

[Stryx]

The MM's books are written to put themselves in a good light. Hearing the other side of stories, well, you would feel how I do.

You know with regard to the cars, that one of the MM said there was something wrong with one of his cars, hoping to get a new one? This story is from a friend of Charlie's.

Kim


You have the other side? As in Elvis's side of the story?

Charlie got a nice old punch in the face from Elvis for bragging and being jealous when Elvis gave away a car in 76'.

Old Charlie had been drinking and Elvis didn't like that to begin with...let alone Charlie's jealousy about someone else getting a car. So Elvis just slugged him one!

[Stryx]

The MM were going on tour, neglecting their families (wives, playing up on them) for their own reasons, for the lifestyle (women and song) as the saying goes. This information comes from a friend of Elvis'.

Kelly, please read what I said re the cars. These guys, geez! All one faction of the MM do, is contradict each other, back stab each other (some aren't involved in this) self promote and justify. Shameful.

Kim


Yeah and apparently J.D liked a lot girls when he was on the road. His Christian holier than thou image was just that, he got around on tour according to a lot of people.

Hell.....Elvis was getting around before he marriewd Cilla, during the marriage and then during every relationship he had after her.

It was the lifestyle of the guys on the road. If Elvis fans on this board are going to hold the MM contemptable for doing that to their wives.....then what do they think of Elvis. He was the magnet and the one who got the most girls until near the end when he stareted "conserving his bodily fluids" as he used say!

[Stryx]

charlie was the best of out all them in my eyes


Charlie holds the distinction of being 1 of 2 to get punched by Elvis. He also had to be kicked outta Graceland by Vernon for outstaying his welcome after Elvis died.

The rest knew when the leave, Charlie just kept staying and staying until Vernon yielded the axe to get rid of him.

Can see your point about him not saying things about Elvis, but he was so obviously infatuated and in love with Elvis.

[KPM]

The big difference is that the MM worked for what they got. Pricilla did not, other than raising Lisa, which she deserved that. Would any of you hurt Elvis's feelings by turning down a gift he wanted to give you? No, I don't think so. How about the chance to work for him? No, I doubt that too.
As for the books written, that's a whole different subject.
In the book "Elvis up Close" an early Memphis school friend stated after Elvis hit big Elvis asked him to go to work for him- the guy told him no. Elvis asked why and the guy said because our friendship would never be the same. Elvis told him he understood. So some people (evidently very few) did turn down the chance to work for him.

[Johnny]

Who was the guy? Buzzy Forbes? It wasn't often that Elvis took no for an answer

[LianaKaralivanou]

Let's be honest. Personally, I couln't turn down a job offer from Elvis!! As for Priscilla, Colonel, ex girlfriends etc. etc., even completely strangers has cashed in on Elvis, why not his own people? Elvis was very generous so I'm sure that he would have wanted the best for the people he loved if he was still alive today. Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with that behaviour but I can understand it.

[Merry]

Oh, for God's sake!

If you believe that real friends don't back stab each other, < snip>


I think that we come from opposing "worlds". No, I don't backstab friends. If we disagree, we talk about it, or if either of us has a problem, we wonder why the other is acting strange, and see if they are alright.

[Merry]

Are you talking to the same Charlie who got punched on the nose by Elvis because he said he deserved a car Elvis gave to other of them better?
LOL re source.

Yes, special, loving Charlie. Who was a devoted and loved friend. They both loved each other as friends, and Elvis trusted Charlie. Yes, that Charlie. A best friend to some of Elvis' other friends, too. A confidant, a fun person, full of life and humour. Yes, that Charlie.

[Merry]

Getlo, sometimes it's best to walk away from an alcoholic...same for drugs...as long as they were with Elvis they enabled him to continue in his self destructive ways. The book was way too late and the wrong way to go about it. They hit him when he was at his lowest point.

The MM need to take responsibility for their own lives and actions instead of dumping them all on Elvis now that he is gone....he had enough of his own to deal with.

Diane


Yes.

Kim

[Merry]

Diane, most of the time Elvis asked them to come back - he was used to them being around him all the time. They didn't beg him to come back, only person that did that was Joe. Joe was fired/quit and eventually called and asked if he could come back. It's not like they begged to come back - Elvis would ask them to.


Kelly,

So, (hugs) what happened was, that they knew that was the case, they always came back.

So why write the book out of spite because they were fired? (Sonny admitted to writing it out of spite for being fired, we know that). Nothing different re being fired and coming back.

See how they twist things?

Kimmi

[Merry]

And they are also written to counter the bull**** lies and allegations put out about them by devious fans who seek to alter the truth, and make Elvis out to be some kind of saint ...


Oh brother.

No actually, quite a few friends of Elvis' contact the fans, after reading the BS that is written and repeated from what is read in those books, and ask them to speak on their behalf.

There are others here, as well as on other sites, besides me.

[Stryx]

Kelly,

So, (hugs) what happened was, that they knew that was the case, they always came back.

So why write the book out of spite because they were fired? (Sonny admitted to writing it out of spite for being fired, we know that). Nothing different re being fired and coming back.

See how they twist things?

Kimmi


You know Elvis never got Vernon to fire them before.

Also Red was still hurting from the whole wedding fiasco.

There was a lot at play and I don't know if you heard that phone call Elvis made to Red, but Elvis was no where near as bitter towards Red as some of the fans are on here.

I don't know if you ever met Charlie but he could be very awkward when he wanted to be, not that he wasnt fun and full of stories as well. Charlie was a nice simple man, but he was a pain when he was drinking (and he drunk quite often) and he also was very jealous of anyone else being around Elvis. The thing that amazed me with Charlie was how he stayed up at Graceland after Elvis died until Vernon actually had to force him out.

[Merry]

Charlie also said one time when one of the guys quit, "good, more gravy train for us" when Elvis wasn't around. Then when Elvis came back...one of the guys made Charlie tell Elvis what he just said....Charlie wouldn't - so they told Elvis.....he wasn't happy. I like Charlie too....but don't make him into a saint too. They all got something out of Elvis...but I believe they also gave up their lives for him....they catered to his every whim because that is what elvis wanted.....that's just the life they were leading....it was "Elvis' world" and not the real world.......



No-one is a saint.

It is just that there are other sides to the stories. (Hugs).

Thing is, is that there are a lot of people who were friends with Elvis, and truely love him, yet won't write books, so they do what they can do, by explaining the other side to the fans, when asked. No egos.

Yes, they all made mistakes, did things. It is just the venom and incomplete information, or one sided information that is written, thqt the fans quote from, that is the problem. No-one can be blamed for what they've read. However, the information is slanted towards the writer, obviously, or they wouldn't sell what they are trying to sell, as the Publishers want to make their money, so "give me dirt" as per the tabloids.

Kimmi

[Merry]

You know Elvis never got Vernon to fire them before.




A friend of Elvis', who was around for 15 years, said that Vernon always did the firing.

There was a lot at play, yes, more than people know.

[Stryx]

No-one is a saint.

It is just that there are other sides to the stories. (Hugs).

Thing is, is that there are a lot of people who were friends with Elvis, and truely love him, yet won't write books, so they do what they can do, by explaining the other side to the fans, when asked. No egos.

Yes, they all made mistakes, did things. It is just the venom and incomplete information, or one sided information that is written, thqt the fans quote from, that is the problem. No-one can be blamed for what they've read. However, the information is slanted towards the writer, obviously, or they wouldn't sell what they are trying to sell, as the Publishers want to make their money, so "give me dirt" as per the tabloids.

Kimmi


Can you list the people who spent CONSIDERABLE time with Elvis who has yet to write a book?

Unless Elvis had some phantom friends who have not been either on a DVD talking about him with the rest of the MM or have done a book then these people are quite a mystery!!!

Most people around Elvis, who spent a lot of time with Elvis - knew about nothing else but being around Elvis when he died.

[Merry]

Joe did.

Red did.

Jerry did.

Dick Grob did.

Marty Lacker did.

Gee Gee Gamble did.

Sonny did.

None of the MM, with the exception of Charlie, was working for Elvis 100% of the time.


A large proportion also asked to come back.

[Stryx]

A friend of Elvis', who was around for 15 years, said that Vernon always did the firing.

There was a lot at play, yes, more than people know.

Sorry but your friend is full of it.

Elvis always saked their asses not Vernon, leaving town and having his daddy do it was how ashamed and uncomfortable Elvis was with firing them.

[Stryx]

A large proportion also asked to come back.

Joe asked to come back, but he asked Marty not Elvis directly.

Don't think Marty did and Red most certainly didn't ask to come back.

Who else asked to come back?

[Merry]

Can you list the people who spent CONSIDERABLE time with Elvis who has yet to write a book?

Unless Elvis had some phantom friends who have not been either on a DVD talking about him with the rest of the MM or have done a book then these people are quite a mystery!!!

Most people around Elvis, who spent a lot of time with Elvis - knew about nothing else but being around Elvis when he died.


There are quite a few. It is all so political, as an extremely small sector of the fans are too (which I'm amazed at) that Elvis' friends keep in the background, as they've witnessed how others have been treated, and don't want the same. They also don't want to share what is private, publicly, yet they can't stand reading what is being said, it is just so wrong. So, they feel they should give their view, anonymously. As you know, the MM personally attacks anyone, who was a friend of Elvis' who questions or contradicts what they say, too. (You can come to your own conclusions of why, I'm sure). Telling, huh?

[Merry]

Sorry but your friend is full of it.

Elvis always saked their asses not Vernon, leaving town and having his daddy do it was how ashamed and uncomfortable Elvis was with firing them.

Hi there,

You are a friend of Elvis' and ?

[ksimms2]

Sorry but your friend is full of it.

Elvis always saked their asses not Vernon, leaving town and having his daddy do it was how ashamed and uncomfortable Elvis was with firing them.

sorry I read the same thing, Elvis had Vernon do the firing because he felt bad and didn't have the guts...only time Elvis fired anyone was when he would get mad in the heat of the moment..

i also want to clarify, you guys keep referring to the MM as the ones who wrote, "Elvis, What Happened" that was only 3 of them - there are more..."Revelations From The Memphis Mafia" was written by Lamar Fike/Marty Lacker & Billy Smith....those are another 3 members....then there is Joe Esposito and Charlie Hodge - and Joe has written several books....not sure about Charlie.....I'm just clarifying the ones you are bashing are Sonny/Red & Dave H.

[Stryx]

There are quite a few. It is all so political, as an extremely small sector of the fans are too (which I'm amazed at) that Elvis' friends keep in the background, as they've witnessed how others have been treated, and don't want the same. They also don't want to share what is private, publicly, yet they can't stand reading what is being said, it is just so wrong. So, they feel they should give their view, anonymously. As you know, the MM personally attacks anyone, who was a friend of Elvis' who questions or contradicts what they say, too. (You can come to your own conclusions of why, I'm sure). Telling, huh?


You know Elvis really didn't know many people personally other than those he surrounded himself with 24/7.

Perhaps if you could list 7 or 8 of his other friends we would know what angle you are coming from?

As im quite confused as to who these people who were 'friends' with Elvis were when he kept his close friends with him all the time.

[Merry]

sorry I read the same thing, Elvis had Vernon do the firing because he felt bad and didn't have the guts...only time Elvis fired anyone was when he would get mad in the heat of the moment..

i also want to clarify, you guys keep referring to the MM as the ones who wrote, "Elvis, What Happened" that was only 3 of them - there are more..."Revelations From The Memphis Mafia" was written by Lamar Fike/Marty Lacker & Billy Smith....those are another 3 members....then there is Joe Esposito and Charlie Hodge - and Joe has written several books....not sure about Charlie.....I'm just clarifying the ones you are bashing are Sonny/Red & Dave H.


Hi Kelly,

My point is, is that some of the MM wrote negative stories, divulged private occasions, to make money. (Yes you know that). There are friends of Elvis', who were also there, who are contradicting what some of the MM say, completely. (They are then attacked for it).

That is my point. The fans can't be blamed for what they read, as thinking it is true, but it is simply one side of the story, written, to sell, which a lot of the time, is twisted to make money for the writer. This is telling. It is the ones who keep their mouths shut, have over many years, who are the true friends. They will also tell you stories, but with compassion, love and understanding, not written with a slant that wasn't the way it was, but the way it was perceived to be, or changed to be, to suit their purpose. I just hope, that I may have suggested something, that you may now think, that there is another side to the story, that is all I am trying to do, and I hope you don't mind.

Kim

[Merry]

You know Elvis really didn't know many people personally other than those he surrounded himself with 24/7.

Perhaps if you could list 7 or 8 of his other friends we would know what angle you are coming from?

As im quite confused as to who these people who were 'friends' with Elvis were when he kept his close friends with him all the time.


Stryx, no, as I've explained, I won't/can't.

My angle? Is what I've just said to Kelly.

[Stryx]

Hi Kelly,

My point is, is that some of the MM wrote negative stories, divulged private occasions, to make money. (Yes you know that). There are friends of Elvis', who were also there, who are contradicting what some of the MM say, completely. (They are then attacked for it).

That is my point. The fans can't be blamed for what they read, as thinking it is true, but it is simply one side of the story, written, to sell, which a lot of the time, is twisted to make money for the writer. This is telling. It is the ones who keep their mouths shut, have over many years, who are the true friends. They will also tell you stories, but with compassion, love and understanding, not written with a slant that wasn't the way it was, but the way it was perceived to be, or changed to be, to suit their purpose. I just hope, that I may have suggested something, that you may now think, that there is another side to the story, that is all I am trying to do, and I hope you don't mind.

Kim



Ya know I sure would like someone on this forum to start guessing who these friends of Elvis's are that seem to contradict things that happened and as you mentioned earlier that did not write any books.

Elvis kept his friends with him 24/7, we all know who they are. Who are these extra people?:hmm:

Now don't go suggesting ol Wanda Hill.....Billy Smith nearly floored my *** in August over her!!!

[Stryx]

Stryx, no, as I've explained, I won't/can't.

My angle? Is what I've just said to Kelly.


Your using the word friend(s) though.

Apart from the MM Elvis didn't really know many others all that well.

Sorry Gal but phantoms and ghosts don't belong in serious conversations about Elvis's life. If they don't have the guts to admit who they are and what they believe in then I doubt Elvis really knew them.....all his other friends are well able to express themselves and im truly at a loss to figure who your ones are.

Be good.

[jak]

There are quite a few. It is all so political, as an extremely small sector of the fans are too (which I'm amazed at) that Elvis' friends keep in the background, as they've witnessed how others have been treated, and don't want the same. They also don't want to share what is private, publicly, yet they can't stand reading what is being said, it is just so wrong. So, they feel they should give their view, anonymously. As you know, the MM personally attacks anyone, who was a friend of Elvis' who questions or contradicts what they say, too. (You can come to your own conclusions of why, I'm sure). Telling, huh?

No offense but from all accounts Elvis didnt have many friends hidden in the background.Elvis kept only a select few close that were privy to his private life.That was why the "What Happened "book was so sensational.Elvis had a veil of secrecy cloaked around him and only allowed a few people on the inside.Please remember that everybody that saw Elvis in a hallway became close personal friends in their mind.Many that claim to have been close to Elvis were not.The MM for better or worse were his main entourage and the ones who saw him warts and all.Right up until nearly his death Elvis maintained a squeaky clean image of the all american boy because of this.When he died his friends came out of the woodwork.Elvis was cordial to many people,but he only kept a select few around.
Jak

[franny]

To be quite honest who hasn't cashed in on elvis?? It seems that everybody been cashing in.

That's for sure! :lol: Some didn't even know him at all! (n)
franny

[Merry]

Your using the word friend(s) though.

Apart from the MM Elvis didn't really know many others all that well.

Sorry Gal but phantoms and ghosts don't belong in serious conversations about Elvis's life. If they don't have the guts to admit who they are and what they believe in then I doubt Elvis really knew them.....all his other friends are well able to express themselves and im truly at a loss to figure who your ones are.

Be good.



LOL Stryx.

Take care, I don't have words, just smiling.

Yes Jak.

You'l just have to go on what makes sense after speaking with me, and how I come across, huh?

Kim.

[MissyM]

What do you mean cashed in, very few are living high off the hog. (except for the ones who kissed Cilla's butt) They worked for someone who was diffficult to work for for years and once they didn't that was the end of it. They then had to make it on their own and rely on what they could do.

[ksimms2]

Hi Kelly,

My point is, is that some of the MM wrote negative stories, divulged private occasions, to make money. (Yes you know that). There are friends of Elvis', who were also there, who are contradicting what some of the MM say, completely. (They are then attacked for it).

That is my point. The fans can't be blamed for what they read, as thinking it is true, but it is simply one side of the story, written, to sell, which a lot of the time, is twisted to make money for the writer. This is telling. It is the ones who keep their mouths shut, have over many years, who are the true friends. They will also tell you stories, but with compassion, love and understanding, not written with a slant that wasn't the way it was, but the way it was perceived to be, or changed to be, to suit their purpose. I just hope, that I may have suggested something, that you may now think, that there is another side to the story, that is all I am trying to do, and I hope you don't mind.

Kim

Kim (it always confuses me why your id says Jess but your name is Kim...lol) anyway...i complete understand what you are saying. You do have me intrigued though as to who your inside contact is. Suzan always hints at the same thing - like you guys have inside info and we'd all love to know who these insiders are.....it's really hard to take what you say as gospel without knowing the source........but either way - I enjoy a good debate and I think if we do it without getting nasty - it's fun! :hug:

[MissyM]

So what Jess is saying is that there was some small group of friends who did not live with Elvis but know more than those who did. Ok then.

[Getlo]

A friend of Elvis', who was around for 15 years, said that Vernon always did the firing.

Who is this friend of which you speak?

[Getlo]

the MM personally attacks anyone, who was a friend of Elvis' who questions or contradicts what they say, too.


Examples please ... ?

[Getlo]

Stryx, no, as I've explained, I won't/can't.



Then until you can, your claims re these phantom friends have no credibility. It's the same as that old journalistic chestnut "a source close to the star said last night ..."

[Getlo]

Sorry Gal but phantoms and ghosts don't belong in serious conversations about Elvis's life. If they don't have the guts to admit who they are and what they believe in then I doubt Elvis really knew them.

Precisely.

And if these phantoms know the "real truth" that suposedly counters all of the MM's "lies", why not just come out and say what they know ... perhaps in an unpaid interview or something, where no one can make a buck?

[Merry]

So what Jess is saying is that there was some small group of friends who did not live with Elvis but know more than those who did. Ok then.


This is why.

[Merry]

Precisely.

And if these phantoms know the "real truth" that suposedly counters all of the MM's "lies", why not just come out and say what they know ... perhaps in an unpaid interview or something, where no one can make a buck?


Jerry for one, does (I don't know Jerry).

Again, this is exactly why.

[Stryx]

Jerry for one, does (I don't know Jerry).

Again, this is exactly why.


Jerry actually wrote a book, appears on DVD's and interacts with the fans. The people who you claim to know who claim to have known Elvis seem rather perculiar in the fact that they don't do it and insist on being anonymous.

Anonymous tip off's and calls are rarely given credibility and im afraid that this "source" deserves just that.

Post your comments and thoughts etc... but please refrain from saying your source unless you wish to name them as we could all have "sources" which we refuse to name.

Some of us who know the MM do post what they feel - but we actually attribute it to them rather than to a phantom friend.

[Getlo]

Some of us who know the MM do post what they feel - but we actually attribute it to them rather than to a phantom friend.

Yes.

So why is it that we are the ones who get jumped on every time we ask someone for their sources ... ?

" ... Graceland was going to be bulldozed for a highway ..."
" ... the Colonel stole Elvis from Sam Phillips ..."
" ... the MM are banned for life from Graceland ..."
" ... I know friends of Elvis who know the real truth ..."

Gimme a break. :doh:

[Donut]

Ya know I sure would like someone on this forum to start guessing who these friends of Elvis's are that seem to contradict things that happened and as you mentioned earlier that did not write any books.

Elvis kept his friends with him 24/7, we all know who they are. Who are these extra people?:hmm:

Now don't go suggesting ol Wanda Hill.....Billy Smith nearly floored my *** in August over her!!!

What happened with Billy? Can you tell? Sounds interesting...

[poormansgold]

I don't understand you guys on here,

[ricardo b. prospero]

I personally believe only his mom love and really cared for him. All the supposed to be close friends and even relatives (wife and daughter) were all users. They were there because it serves their vested interest in the expense of Elvis. Even from the start a lot of blood suckers took advantage of Elvis weaknesses, exploiting every inch of it for their personal purposes and satisfaction. They successfully made Elvis their milking cow even after his death.

[Getlo]

All the supposed to be close friends and even relatives (wife and daughter) were all users. They were there because it serves their vested interest in the expense of Elvis.

As much as I dislike Lisa Marie, to accuse her of being a "user" as his daughter is patently ridiculous. She adored Elvis without question.

Yes, her motives about how she handles the estate, the disgusting way she leads her private life, her laughable music "career" ... all come under serious scrutiny.

But you cannot seriously suggest she was a "user" of Elvis himself.

[presley31]

I personally believe only his mom love and really cared for him. All the supposed to be close friends and even relatives (wife and daughter) were all users. They were there because it serves their vested interest in the expense of Elvis. Even from the start a lot of blood suckers took advantage of Elvis weaknesses, exploiting every inch of it for their personal purposes and satisfaction. They successfully made Elvis their milking cow even after his death.

l agree with some of what you said but lisa doesn't have to cash in on her fathers money. its was left to her and her alone

[MissyM]

We all use each other in one form or another. The difference is weather we are willing to give back as much as we get. I guess this discussion says that some think the MM did not. Yeh well, I think saving his life a few times is worth something. I think spending your time 24/7 is something. I think hearing Elvis dreams, nightmares, anxieties is something and providing him with companionship is too. I think even lighting his cigar is. Have any of you ever done that much for one person? Well then, if you have please do tell me what it was like. Until then, how can you say it wasn't an even swap? And aren't you saying that Elvis was the stupidest star of all then???

[ksimms2]

I don't understand you guys on here,

Tom, what dont you understand? The thread is "Cashing in off Elvis" the person who started this thread was wondering who we felt was making money off of Elvis' fame by either writing books, DVD's, etc.

I hope this helps.....

[presley31]

Tom, what dont you understand? The thread is "Cashing in off Elvis" the person who started this thread was wondering who we felt was making money off of Elvis' fame by either writing books, DVD's, etc.

I hope this helps.....

Kelly l think tom, doesn't understand the bricking that been happeing on the forum, franky enough it was never like this months ago, you could post without getting attacked. but thats off topic again

[ksimms2]

We all use each other in one form or another. The difference is weather we are willing to give back as much as we get. I guess this discussion says that some think the MM did not. Yeh well, I think saving his life a few times is worth something. I think spending your time 24/7 is something. I think hearing Elvis dreams, nightmares, anxieties is something and providing him with companionship is too. I think even lighting his cigar is. Have any of you ever done that much for one person? Well then, if you have please do tell me what it was like. Until then, how can you say it wasn't an even swap? And aren't you saying that Elvis was the stupidest star of all then???

Missy, they certainly did save his life on numerous occasions when he'd overdose. Plus the time they saved him and the young girl he had with him in his room after they O.D'd on that "cough syrup" stuff.....that girl was in the hospital and didn't wake up for a while - they didn't think she was going to make it, she was already turning blue. Elvis didn't want to talk about that afterwards. Believe it or not, her mom told them, we won't sue, and the girl said it wasn't his fault, she knew what she was doing too.....lucky for him.

Sorry, getting off track, they saved his life numerous times......so even if you don't like the MM, you have to be thankful to them for that, don't you? They weren't shoving the pills down Elvis' throat -he did that on his own. We may have lost Elvis long before we did if it werent for them (and Linda Thompson)

[ksimms2]

Kelly l think tom, doesn't understand the bricking that been happeing on the forum, franky enough it was never like this months ago, you could post without getting attacked. but thats off topic again

who is getting attacked? the only thing I see happening is when someone posts that they "know somebody on the inside" or they "know" this or that, they are being asked for their sources to back up what they say. I don't think that is being attacked. If you express an opinion on here - be prepared to defend it basically.....I've had to do that many of times. Whether your opinion is formed from books you've read, documentaries or just plain old "because I like that person and they'd "never" do that".......I think that is what you mean because I know Getlo likes to ask you to tell your source for the info you write.....I know it gets ugly though Jen, and it shouldn't.

You are a sweet girl.....we all have our opinions and as you can tell, we aren't all going to agree. I still say, if a topic bothers someone, then stay out of the thread - if it's only going to upset you - why bother to "pipe" in when it's only going to be against the thread topic? (as in the hygiene thing).....there are so many "positive" threads to post in.......all about his music, or his famous jumpsuits, etc. When it comes to talking about his real life - there are those of us who like the truth - and then there are those who don't want to hear it at all......so nobody will be pleased 100% of the time. :hug:

[Getlo]

I think that is what you mean because I know Getlo likes to ask you to tell your source for the info you write.

That's right. But there are posters on here who put up some absolutely outrageous claims without proof.

Then they get defensive when asked for proof of their claims.

Then, when they're proven wrong, they holler "attack".

I, for one, am sick of it. Posting opinions is one thing: they cannot be proven one way or the other, only debated. And 99% of these threads go smoothly.

It's when people start posting "facts" without any basis whatsoever that it gets narky.

[presley31]

That's right. But there are posters on here who put up some absolutely outrageous claims without proof.

Then they get defensive when asked for proof of their claims.

Then, when they're proven wrong, they holler "attack".

I, for one, am sick of it. Posting opinions is one thing: they cannot be proven one way or the other, only debated. And 99% of these threads go smoothly.

It's when people start posting "facts" without any basis whatsoever that it gets narky.

off topic(n)

[presley31]

who is getting attacked? the only thing I see happening is when someone posts that they "know somebody on the inside" or they "know" this or that, they are being asked for their sources to back up what they say. I don't think that is being attacked. If you express an opinion on here - be prepared to defend it basically.....I've had to do that many of times. Whether your opinion is formed from books you've read, documentaries or just plain old "because I like that person and they'd "never" do that".......I think that is what you mean because I know Getlo likes to ask you to tell your source for the info you write.....I know it gets ugly though Jen, and it shouldn't.

You are a sweet girl.....we all have our opinions and as you can tell, we aren't all going to agree. I still say, if a topic bothers someone, then stay out of the thread - if it's only going to upset you - why bother to "pipe" in when it's only going to be against the thread topic? (as in the hygiene thing).....there are so many "positive" threads to post in.......all about his music, or his famous jumpsuits, etc. When it comes to talking about his real life - there are those of us who like the truth - and then there are those who don't want to hear it at all......so nobody will be pleased 100% of the time. :hug:

sorry kelly l agree with you on some but lets stay on topic

[MissyM]

Ksimms, thank you for acknowledging that.

[Getlo]

off topic(n)

As was your post #88, honey.

[presley31]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkWds8YuCAU

elvis what happend?? just found this in youtube, l can see where the mm are coming from, but still doesn't change the way l feel.

[ksimms2]

sorry kelly l agree with you on some but lets stay on topic

Jen, I was only answering your post about being attacked. Sorry.

[presley31]

Jen, I was only answering your post about being attacked. Sorry.

l know kelly it was my fault for going off topic in the first place but thanks for letting me know how you felt.

[ksimms2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkWds8YuCAU

elvis what happend?? just found this in youtube, l can see where the mm are coming from, but still doesn't change the way l feel.

thanks Jen, I just got this book......am going to read it after "Revelations From The Memphis Mafia"

[Stryx]

l agree with some of what you said but lisa doesn't have to cash in on her fathers money. its was left to her and her alone

lol

Selling it to Sillerman then was a chairty gesture! lol:clap:

[Stryx]

off topic(n)

Girl you aint a moderator.

[KPM]

Who was the guy? Buzzy Forbes? It wasn't often that Elvis took no for an answer
No it wasn't Forbes I remember the story but not the name-over 150 different people were quoted in the book "Elvis Up Close" and I'll have to go through it again and find the name. But he was a friend who went ot school with ELvis and hung out with him in the housing projects that much I recall.
I use to have a mind like a steel trap for names, dates-I think its getting rusty!;)