overwight Elvis in CLAMBAKE?

[GirlHappy19]

I was watching CLAMBAKE lasnight one of my favorite movies made by Elvis and I noticed a mistake that probably alot of people never noticed---Elvis is driving and far away in the back you can see mountains___there're no mountains in Miami and neither in FT Laudardale-------Flat country.Also in that movie Elvis is overwight(still sooooooo gorgeous)but with extra pouns.You think he was hooked on pills already?I know that he had problems with his weight and he used to take pills to lose weight------was there a sign of what was ahead:(

[Stryx]

I was watching CLAMBAKE lasnight one of my favorite movies made by Elvis and I noticed a mistake that probably alot of people never noticed---Elvis is driving and far away in the back you can see mountains___there're no mountains in Miami and neither in FT Laudardale-------Flat country.Also in that movie Elvis is overwight(still sooooooo gorgeous)but with extra pouns.You think he was hooked on pills already?I know that he had problems with his weight and he used to take pills to lose weight------was there a sign of what was ahead:(


Elvis had that infamous epsidoe just before Clambake started, where he fell and hit his head and then the Colonel told the Memphis Mafia off big time.

He fell due to some stuff he had taken, so yes Elvis was using during Clambake.

[Getlo]

Hate to burst your bubble, but the mountain thing was noticed years ago, and is mentioned in Elvis, His Life From A to Z. Also, the scene where he and Shelley are at the beach at sunset in Miami is wrong. The ocean is east of the city, so the sun would've had to have been rising, not setting.

As for the weight, Elvis was much fatter in Spinout.

[KPM]

Dexidrine was Hollywood studios answer to actors who had weight problems. MGM had Judy Garland on them in her teens and it caught up with her in her 40s. But long term use was not considered a problem back then. In the 60s the problems of some of these drugs began to become better known. In the 30s so many new drugs were being found and some were "true miracles" others turned out to be the opposite.
Did you know Coca Colas original secret ingredient was cocaine. Up until 1929 it was in the mix. But it was just another leaf with a unique flavor when they started making coca cola.

[Stryx]

Yeah knew that.

Elvis wasn't acting in the 30's and MGM were not advising him on what to take. The buck stops with Elvis in that regard.

[ksimms2]

Elvis had that infamous epsidoe just before Clambake started, where he fell and hit his head and then the Colonel told the Memphis Mafia off big time.

He fell due to some stuff he had taken, so yes Elvis was using during Clambake.

yes I just read this in "Revelations From The Memphis Mafia" and they said Elvis tried to pass it off as tripping over an electric cord or something but that he was wasted.....

[KPM]

Hate to burst your bubble, but the mountain thing was noticed years ago, and is mentioned in Elvis, His Life From A to Z. Also, the scene where he and Shelley are at the beach at sunset in Miami is wrong. The ocean is east of the city, so the sun would've had to have been rising, not setting.

As for the weight, Elvis was much fatter in Spinout.
I also always felt he was heaviest looking in Clambake. But its subjective opinion. If he was heavier in Spinout then the clothes he wore were much better at hiding it. When he sings Beach Shack in Spinout IMO hes much slimmer looking than when he sings Clambake in Clambake. I cringe every time the song Clambake ends and he throws his arms above his head-his stomach gets exposed and it looks pretty large. If I had been directing I would have reshot that scene and changed his wardrobe.

[KPM]

Yeah knew that.

Elvis wasn't acting in the 30's and MGM were not advising him on what to take. The buck stops with Elvis in that regard.
I was not saying they had-I was pointing out the fact that such "medicines" were not considered harmful well into the 60s. Elvis was not acting in the 30s thats very true and thank you for pointing it out-but he was living in the 50s into the 60s and many drugs and medicines were just not thought of as unsafe. If you misunderstood sorry.

[Stryx]

yes I just read this in "Revelations From The Memphis Mafia" and they said Elvis tried to pass it off as tripping over an electric cord or something but that he was wasted.....

That is correct.

But Elvis was notorious for trying to pass it off as something else!

[ms_epblvd]

I dont think their is an elvis movie out there that we all can't spot a blooper. The goal was definately quantity and not quality. :P

If Elvis was overweight in Clambake then what was the poor thing in Elvis in Concert? Elvis ALWAYS had a very full face, even when he was 2 years old. I dont think he was overweight at all. But you are right whether he was or wasnt, he was BEAUTIFUL(y)(y)(y)

[KPM]

Well I know to be scrutinized every single moment can not be easy. There is the upside of knowing you draw attention and most everyone wants attention-but the downside is we all have bad days, bad moments, we all age and most all have a "problem area" So if you are watched every step of your way-its got to be hard mentally. IMO

[Merry]

Well I know to be scrutinized every single moment can not be easy. There is the upside of knowing you draw attention and most everyone wants attention-but the downside is we all have bad days, bad moments, we all age and most all have a "problem area" So if you are watched every step of your way-its got to be hard mentally. IMO



True, KPM,


Kim

[Getlo]

If Elvis was overweight in Clambake then what was the poor thing in Elvis in Concert?

Fat.

Sorry, but it's true ...

[Stryx]

Fat.

Sorry, but it's true ...


Yeah and Elvis remarked to people around him that he was not happy with his appearence. So no point in fans trying to hide it when Elvis was quite aware of it and communicated his feelings about it to others.

[jak]

I dont know if i would call Elvis fat in that movie.Just a little chunkier than what he normally looked like.I would cut him a little slack for that.He was using drugs back then but I dont think he had lost control of the problem.He probably just gained a few pounds laying around.No big deal.
Jak

[rocknroll]

He was fatter in Paradise Hawaiian Style more than any other flick.

He was not only over weight in "In Concert", but also very bloated, adding to an already sickly appearance.

[Burning_Love]

From what i have seen, he looks bigger than usual, his belly and face, but he soon lost it for the 68 comeback eh !! :laughing:

[KPM]

Yeah and Elvis remarked to people around him that he was not happy with his appearence. So no point in fans trying to hide it when Elvis was quite aware of it and communicated his feelings about it to others.
How could anyone who at times looked like a "greek god" be happy with the change in appearance which happened to Elvis in 76 and 77?

[Stryx]

How could anyone who at times looked like a "greek god" be happy with the change in appearance which happened to Elvis in 76 and 77?

I don't know I guess he found it difficult.

[rickb]

he was `chunky' in this movie and afew others at the time.
I occasionally fall over something but it doesn't mean i'm `using'
rick

[Diane]

For heaven's sake, we're talking about a human being here and no human being no matter who he is should be expected to be "godlike"....there isn't any such thing. Everyone has their ups and downs in weight and because Elvis was known to take pills, every little accident or trip has to be attributed to it? Why the need for drama all the time???

Diane

[Elton]

yes I just read this in "Revelations From The Memphis Mafia" and they said Elvis tried to pass it off as tripping over an electric cord or something but that he was wasted.....

I Slipped,I Stumble,I Fell.;)

[Joe Car]

Elvis like most other people, battled his weight most of his adult life. When he would screen certain movies of his, he would comment about being "too fat." As far as Dexedrine goes, doctors all over the place were prescribing for weight loss and for a stimulant for people who's work needed them to be awake longer then usual, truckers especially, before they were limited on how many hours a day they can drive. That's how the saying "white line fever" came about, from truckers driving like for 24 hours at a time, poor guys. This took place in the sixties and seventies.

[ricardo b. prospero]

I believe the issue regarding Elvis problem with his weight is no longer a hidden secret.
Most of us ardently wish Elvis maintain his youthful and handsome appearance forever if possible, but we failed to accept the fact that Elvis is no superman like you and me and he is bound to grow old and face some health problems aggravated more by problems that tend to destroy his well being. Remember nothing in this world is immaculate and permanent. The sad transition we have to undergo with age will spell the difference physically and mentally.

[BrianK]

I don't think Elvis looked overweight in "Clambake". But then again I have a keg instead of a 6 - pack.....

[Stryx]

For heaven's sake, we're talking about a human being here and no human being no matter who he is should be expected to be "godlike"....there isn't any such thing. Everyone has their ups and downs in weight and because Elvis was known to take pills, every little accident or trip has to be attributed to it? Why the need for drama all the time???

Diane


I don't know.....perhaps the Colonel could answer your question as all the fuss he created over it it seems he was pretty sure Elvis didn't just accidentally fall over!

Neither do many of the other people who were around at the time.

[KPM]

I don't know.....perhaps the Colonel could answer your question as all the fuss he created over it it seems he was pretty sure Elvis didn't just accidentally fall over!

Neither do many of the other people who were around at the time.
Elvis hated the script for Clambake and had dragged his feet about starting production. What caused his fall in the shower is open to question but The Col. and his fuss had a lot to do with the books Elvis had been reading and the talks he was having concerning what he should do with his life-mainly with Larry Gellar. IMO The MM did not like Gellar-he had Elvis's ear at the time and he was rocking their boat. Some were glad to see that Gellar and the books got put down. They had no burning desire to figure out "Why me" like Elvis.
IMO the Col may have worried Elvis was getting too far off the beaten path. COl probably liked the "yes sir -no sir" Elvis he had first met in the 50s much better than the Elvis who wondered, "Why me and whats the purpose of my life"
I'm sure the Elvis who "pondered his existence" scared and worried Parker.
Parker also reportedly told all the MM in a meeting to leave Elvis alone and not to bring their problems to him that this was part of the problem.

[GirlHappy19]

How could anyone who at times looked like a "greek god" be happy with the change in appearance which happened to Elvis in 76 and 77?


True.Very true.:(

[GirlHappy19]

I loved Elvis.I still do.As a matter of fact I just purchase a painting from 76 with the Bicentenial suit.That goes to show that our (my) love for Elvis was not based on looks only.I am sorry if I started something here.It was not meant for me to do so.As for the person who said-----that he/she was sorry to burst my bubble----is ok.I like to add that I have been an Elvis fan since 71 and I am a true fan.I just was not into it until now that I join TCB.
Also Im sorry that the movies he made were of low quality.Some of the stuff they ask him to do in the movies were stupid.I don't blame him for not wanting to do them.I believe he was a good actor---too bad that he was never given a good role.He was a natural born artits.I read he was up for "A Star is Born"with BS,but later on CC was casted.It would have been a good part for him.

Have a nice week end TCB's

GirlHappy19@msn.com[COLOR="Red"]

[Stryx]

I loved Elvis.I still do.As a matter of fact I just purchase a painting from 76 with the Bicentenial suit.That goes to show that our (my) love for Elvis was not based on looks only.I am sorry if I started something here.It was not meant for me to do so.As for the person who said-----that he/she was sorry to burst my bubble----is ok.I like to add that I have been an Elvis fan since 71 and I am a true fan.I just was not into it until now that I join TCB.
Also Im sorry that the movies he made were of low quality.Some of the stuff they ask him to do in the movies were stupid.I don't blame him for not wanting to do them.I believe he was a good actor---too bad that he was never given a good role.He was a natural born artits.I read he was up for "A Star is Born"with BS,but later on CC was casted.It would have been a good part for him.

Have a nice week end TCB's

GirlHappy19@msn.com[COLOR="Red"]

Elvis could have had that role had he stood up to Colonel.

[KPM]

Why he did not do Star is Born depends on who you talk to. Some say Elvis did not really want to do it and he had the Col. make his demands so big that it stopped the deal. Others say the Col. thought it was not the right part for Elvis and so the Col stopped the deal. Whatever the reason its a shame he did not get a crack at it. Its a debate we've been through many times.

[Stryx]

Why he did not do Star is Born depends on who you talk to. Some say Elvis did not really want to do it and he had the Col. make his demands so big that it stopped the deal. Others say the Col. thought it was not the right part for Elvis and so the Col stopped the deal. Whatever the reason its a shame he did not get a crack at it. Its a debate we've been through many times.

Yes....but if Elvis wanted it, he could have had it.

[Getlo]

Everyone has their ups and downs in weight and because Elvis was known to take pills, every little accident or trip has to be attributed to it? Why the need for drama all the time???

Don't confuse drama with the truth.

A few sources have claimed that the "electrical cord" story is crap, and that Elvis fell over that time because he was so out of it.

And if that is indeed the truth, get it out there, warts and all.

[Diane]

That's the thing Getlo...was it the truth or was someone just unhappy with him that day? Like I said before, a lot of people would rather think the worse then give him the benefit of the doubt.

Diane

[KPM]

Yes....but if Elvis wanted it, he could have had it.
Someone posted an interview with Col on a recent thread and Ted Koppel asked him if Elvis could have been a good actor. Parker went into a story about how producer Jerry Wald once brought the Col a script and he said this is perfect for Elvis-"Elvis will get an Oscar if he does this" Parker said "We dont go to the Oscars" and then he said "Wald could not meet our price because the script and story had cost so much" he wanted Wald to guarantee that Elvis would get the Oscar before he would think of cutting the price. So that was the end of that.
Now if you want to see your client grow, wouldnt you say "f the script is good and it looks like a great part for my client I'll recommend he do it"
and we'll take a cut? Parkers rule seems to have been- we get our price. He
does not comment on if it would have been good for Elvis's growth as an actor, nor his creative juices-he just says he could not meet our price.
He says in this interview no one told Elvis what to do- yet do we know how he explained these proposed roles and deals to Elvis? Now we can say Elvis should have just put his foot down and told Parker I want better roles but Elvis had relied on Parkers advise and council since 55. That why he was hired to set up deals get Elvis top dollar and screen offers from others.
He was the veteran in Show Business and Elvis had to feel Parker knew best-IMO he didn't. IMO opinion he should have not been so penny pinching and so quick to rule out everything which did not result in immediate financial windfall.
Many are hard on Elvis for not standing up to Parker-I am hard on Parker because he was the one who was suppose to be the management genius.
He had the 10 years of managing others before Elvis. He was suppose to be able to size up people quickly and get a feeling on how to get the best deal.
If thats so why could he not see Elvis needed to have these chances to keep him engaged as an artist? That once in a while it would be okay to recommend a job for less money to keep Elvis moving forward. Even the MM remark on how Parker had a huge influence and hold on Elvis.
Lets face it the more dramatic roles made less money-Parker made that clear to Elvis. That was not encouraging him to grow IMO that was telling him in a round about way you can not make it as an actor. Positive reinforcement it was not by any stretch of my imagination.
Others think Elvis should have just taken total control and handled all this with no one being the middle man on everything.
Some artists feel comfortable and are able to do that-others can't. Elvis it would appear did not feel like he could.

[Merry]

Don't confuse drama with the truth.

A few sources have claimed that the "electrical cord" story is crap, and that Elvis fell over that time because he was so out of it.

And if that is indeed the truth, get it out there, warts and all.



Why get something "out there warts and all" if the "source" is unreliable?

In my opinion, I don't understand the thinking of these "people" and yes, the "drama" and egos and money making intentions. Beyond me.

These "people" there are names for them, and if they were any of our friends, we, as sensitive and hurt human beings, we know what we would be calling them (in my opinion).

[Merry]

That's the thing Getlo...was it the truth or was someone just unhappy with him that day? Like I said before, a lot of people would rather think the worse then give him the benefit of the doubt.

Diane


Well said, Diane. It sadly, in my opinion, comes down to the person's motives, who tells the stories, at the time.

Kim

[Getlo]

Why get something "out there warts and all" if the "source" is unreliable?

You've again made the assumption that anything said by the MM is therefore a lie. Which it usually isn't. (I presume that's who you're talking about here).

There was more truth in What Happened and other revelations from these guys than many fans care to admit. The vast majority of what they've said about Elvis is true. Not all, certainly, but most.

This particular story could be either though. However, if Elvis slipped over because he was stoned at the time, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[Merry]

You've again made the assumption that anything said by the MM is therefore a lie. Which it usually isn't. (I presume that's who you're talking about here).

There was more truth in What Happened and other revelations from these guys than many fans care to admit. The vast majority of what they've said about Elvis is true. Not all, certainly, but most.

This particular story could be either though. However, if Elvis slipped over because he was stoned at the time, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.


No assumptions on my part, I'm going on what I was told, from people who where around for years, who wish to stay anonymous. There are enough stories from them, which make sense, when you hear their side, and also reading the venom on AEK, to go with what makes sense.

People with the negative stories are justifying themselves, why bother with the venom in their golden years? It is because they have motive. They are also full of venom for Elvis' friends who take the higher ground, as they contradict what they say (so affecting their "fan base" and book sales). I can only go on what makes sense, and what I'm told from people who where around Elvis for 15 odd years. They stay in the background, because they aren't into making money, just being good friends.

[Getlo]

the venom on AEK

What's the AEK?