Visual of upstairs UPDATE!

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. Here is my updated visual of upstairs. I added the fiber-optic lamp on the tv-console and the light-stand, the reading lamp at the bedside, changed some of the drapings and moved the drawer and the wardrobe a bit further into the dressing room. All in all, I feel I got even closer to what it looked like on august 16, 1977. This one will be printed in the danish fan-magazine Elvis News, and therefore it is in danish. I will later bring up a translation. Hope you like it. Best regards, Martin.

[Dovey]

Thank you Elvistcbkirch, I think you did an excellent Job. Dovey;)

[Diane]

Very well done! I'm anxious to see what the rest will look like. (y)

Diane

[Suzan]

Excellent job!:D
Thanks so much for posting.

[riley]

unbelievable.
Can you post it also without the text or is that difficult.

[toffe]

Thank you very much for sharing, wonderfull and interesting:blush:

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Diane. I have a very good idea, of what the rest of 2. floor looks like, but I need some information about the rest of the dressing room. Modelling in 3D is time-consuming as hell, but my goal is to to recreate the whole second floor. Hopefully I will achieve my goal before upstairs will be opened to the public, muhehe...

[Elvis_Priestly]

Any chance you could remove the Elvis with his pants round his ankles on the floor and Ginger?

[EDOEP]

WOW! great job you've done, elvistcbkirch. look forward to more.

hugs, ellie

[Johnny]

Any chance you could remove the Elvis with his pants round his ankles on the floor and Ginger?

I'll second that

[Burning_Love]

Wow that is really really good well done (y)

[ksimms2]

except the text is not in english and I can't read it.....but other than that...I think it's great!

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. I'm busy in these weeks, but next month I will add an english version. About removing Ginger Alden and the pyjama-trousers: The visuel is about showing what the bed-and bathroom looked like on august 16, and where Elvis was found. Ginger Alden and the trousers belongs to that scene. Best regards, Martin

[riley]

It gives us a clearly pic what happened.
The visual is small and IMO not really shocking.
We all know how he died and how he was found.
Death never is pretty you know

[Diane]

Hi Martin, I can imagine how time consuming it has been to put this 3D graphic together and you've done a fantastic job. Hate to say it but I could do without the figures of Elvis and Ginger also.

Although I agree with Riley that we all know how Elvis died and that death is not pretty, I really don't want to have to see it....sorry....it's my only complaint of the great work you're doing on this project.

Diane

[Wendy56]

Thanks! It's a good job. (y)

[edbdmiddy]

Thanks I think you did a really good job

[Gary1]

I'll second thatI'll third it.

[KPM]

I'll third it.
I'll fourth that!

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. As you may have noticed, I did one major change from the first version of the visual (see threat: Upstairs reaveled): I turned Elvis' body, being convinced, that Elvis actually died on the toilet. Why? Because meanwhile, I read 'Death of Elvis: What really happened' by Charles C. Thompson and James Cole, leaving absollutely sure, that he was found lying with his face up against the wall. When investigating he got this confirmed by Al Strada and Joe Esposito. This goes very well along with Nancy Rooks' statement, that she see saw him lying on the bathroom floor with his pants around his ancles and with his bare up in the air. No offend, but I belive this is what really happened. Best regards, Martin.

[ForeverTheKing]

Great :supriced: Thanks a lot :notworthy :clap:

It's so sad to see this scene :'(

[Johnny]

Funny that a thread about Elvis' hygiene sparks anger in many members, but seeing a visual of a deceased Elvis with his pyjamas down and his bare bottom up in the air does not

Updated: Yepp, there are some people out there, like me, that don't like this visual of a dead Elvis in his bathroom

[Diane]

Jth, check the previous threads and you will see that you are wrong about that.

Diane

[Suzan]

Good job on the graphics and I understand why u placed "Elvis" in the bathroom, but I don't particularly like to view that part of it.:(
But that info is not correct, Elvis was lying face down...I won't go into more detail here as I don't find it appropriate, however, if you'd like to hear the whole thing, pm me.:)'
Great job on the graphic though, it's very time consuming and a lot of research has gone into it...so thank you for sharing your hard work w/us.:)

[LORRIELOVESELVIS]

NICE JOB(y)

[Rover]

Sad scene :(
but you obviously worked hard on doing this, I'll grant you that!

[utmom2008]

Any chance you could remove the Elvis with his pants round his ankles on the floor and Ginger?
I second that!! Please!!

[TLC67]

Any chance you could remove the Elvis with his pants round his ankles on the floor and Ginger?


I second that!! Please!!


:sad:Ditto for me. We could do without that image.

[Sleepless~Dreamer]

i find this picture to be of bad taste ..i dont like it sorry some things are just going abit too far and this is one of them. (n)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody: To those who got offended by the image of Elvis lying on the bathroom-floor: It was not my intention to put any disrespect to Elvis or Ginger Alden by showing where he was found upstairs. I was done of interest in, what it really looked like up there in 1977 and why there is so much confusion about his death. If Elvis had collapsed and died on stage in front of rolling cameras, we all would have seen where and when it happened. But in this case, he died alone in a part of the building, that has been photographed only a few times and where nobody is allowed to enter today. Many people believe the bathroom is located other places in the building, I even spoke to hardcore-fans who thought the bedroom was located where the office is. Now everybody can see it. To me its not bad taste (and I'm a hard addict to the Elvis and the music too). It is journalism that goes beyond the silly rumours and the lousy artwork that has come out since his death. Not even the floorplans that are availble on the web of the second floor has been recreated correct. Now they are. By research and hard work. Best regards. Martin, graphic artist

[cameron]

I think you did a great job !!

On other sites I can get pretty graphic myself. For me, I can accept it for what it's meant for. To others, I can understand their distaste .

Excellent design graphic, IMO.
You brought out what most only imagine .
Thanks

[presley31]

l agree Cameron

I think this graphic has been well done. Thanks you

[TLC67]

Dear everybody: To those who got offended by the image of Elvis lying on the bathroom-floor: It was not my intention to put any disrespect to Elvis or Ginger Alden by showing where he was found upstairs. I was done of interest in, what it really looked like up there in 1977 and why there is so much confusion about his death. If Elvis had collapsed and died on stage in front of rolling cameras, we all would have seen where and when it happened. But in this case, he died alone in a part of the building, that has been photographed only a few times and where nobody is allowed to enter today. Many people believe the bathroom is located other places in the building, I even spoke to hardcore-fans who thought the bedroom was located where the office is. Now everybody can see it. To me its not bad taste (and I'm a hard addict to the Elvis and the music too). It is journalism that goes beyond the silly rumours and the lousy artwork that has come out since his death. Not even the floorplans that are availble on the web of the second floor has been recreated correct. Now they are. By research and hard work. Best regards. Martin, graphic artist

Thank you. I am glad to see a correct depiction of the house and you did a fantastic job, but couldn't you have left his pants on? That has nothing to do with the house plan. Somebody who may not be a true E fan and happens upon it could use it in mockery, etc. That is what bothers me.

[cameron]

I think it doesn't bother me because I don't "see" it as Elvis .
Only a depiction of what we've all heard .
It's good to see exactly how Graceland floor plan really is, instead of guessing.

[MissyM]

Does anyone ever wonder why Ginger didn't hear anything? I do because I'm a very light sleeper. Maybe she isn't.

[Diane]

I've often wondered that too MissyM. Maybe she had taken a sleeping pill or she is a sound sleeper. In her place I don't think I could have slept at all seeing the condition he was in when she was with him.

Back to topic, I think the graphics you did Martin are wonderful but I still wish you'd leave the figures out...sorry, I'm high on respect and dignity I guess.

Diane

[utmom2008]

I'll fourth that!
Make that a fifth! Showing where Elvis was is great, but I think the pajama bottom graphic bothers alot of people. We all know how he died....I think everyone would be happier if you just showed Elvis lying there. But, your work is great!

[Elvistcbkirch]

About Ginger not hearing anything: Bare in mind that the bedroom was soundproof with a thick, red carpet and tufted leather in the ceiling. In the bathroom the red carpet is also very thick. I believe that there is a mute atmosphere up there, and you would hardly hear, if someone falls over on the floor in the bathroom. Espescially not if the bathroom door is closed. Best regards, Martin.

[utmom2008]

Dear everybody. As you may have noticed, I did one major change from the first version of the visual (see threat: Upstairs reaveled): I turned Elvis' body, being convinced, that Elvis actually died on the toilet. Why? Because meanwhile, I read 'Death of Elvis: What really happened' by Charles C. Thompson and James Cole, leaving absollutely sure, that he was found lying with his face up against the wall. When investigating he got this confirmed by Al Strada and Joe Esposito. This goes very well along with Nancy Rooks' statement, that she see saw him lying on the bathroom floor with his pants around his ancles and with his bare up in the air. No offend, but I belive this is what really happened. Best regards, Martin.
So.are you saying that Elvis died with his face against a wall? I read that book years ago, I do remember that it was pretty graphic

[Johnny]

Dear everybody: To those who got offended by the image of Elvis lying on the bathroom-floor: It was not my intention to put any disrespect to Elvis or Ginger Alden by showing where he was found upstairs. I was done of interest in, what it really looked like up there in 1977 and why there is so much confusion about his death. If Elvis had collapsed and died on stage in front of rolling cameras, we all would have seen where and when it happened. But in this case, he died alone in a part of the building, that has been photographed only a few times and where nobody is allowed to enter today. Many people believe the bathroom is located other places in the building, I even spoke to hardcore-fans who thought the bedroom was located where the office is. Now everybody can see it. To me its not bad taste (and I'm a hard addict to the Elvis and the music too). It is journalism that goes beyond the silly rumours and the lousy artwork that has come out since his death. Not even the floorplans that are availble on the web of the second floor has been recreated correct. Now they are. By research and hard work. Best regards. Martin, graphic artist

If Elvis would have died on stage in front of the cameras I don't think it would be released; if it would have then most of us genuine Elvis fans would hardly watch it after maybe the first time around. And why do you think that the floorplans are incorrect but your depiction is correct??? :blink:

And I still find the inclusion of the image of deceased Elvis vulgar and in very bad taste

[cameron]

Does anyone ever wonder why Ginger didn't hear anything? I do because I'm a very light sleeper. Maybe she isn't.

I thought I read somewhere {?} that she said she heard a thump/bump .
Can't remember if it was in a book or the Memphis Newspaper .
Also ,thought she'd taken something for cramps .

[Elvistcbkirch]

To utmom. Yes I do. You cant see the wall in my graphic, but he was found with his head close to the wall. Remember the bathroom is narrow. What you are refering to, is the book Death Of Elvis, What Really Happened by Charles C. Thompson and James Cole. I read this book and found it very accurate and serious. In this book the investigator Dan Warlick interviews Al Strada and Esposito and examines the bathroom and concludes, that Elvis fell over from the toilet, crawled several feet and died with his head buried in the carpet and with pants around his ankles. Best regards, Martin

[Elvistcbkirch]

To JTH: First of all I used my eyes watching the intro in This Is Elvis. Then I looked at the floorplans and quickly concluded that they could not be the official architactual drawings. An example: If you look at any floorplan on the web, they show a door between Elvis dressing room and Lisa Maris room. A door that is supposed to lead to the attic. That is not correct. Simply use your eyes, watch the intro in TIE and stop the scene where Elvis says goodnight to Lisa. There is no door. Best regards, Martin

[utmom2008]

To utmom. Yes I do. You cant see the wall in my graphic, but he was found with his head close to the wall. Remember the bathroom is narrow. What you are refering to, is the book Death Of Elvis, What Really Happened by Charles C. Thompson and James Cole. I read this book and found it very accurate and serious. In this book the investigator Dan Warlick interviews Al Strada and Esposito and examines the bathroom and concludes, that Elvis fell over from the toilet, crawled several feet and died with his head buried in the carpet and with pants around his ankles. Best regards, Martin
Thanks Martin. Yes....I do remember certain things about that book. I know that's the first place I read the story on Elvis falling and then trying to crawl a few feet. That was tough reading at the time. I know that book was supposed to be very credible.....I appreciate your insight to all of this.............

[GraceeD1970]

I would love to see this done for the 1st floor and basement. There are closed doors you just don't see.

[Johnny]

Sorry dude, but I belive blueprints over an artists interpretation of what he thinks the upstairs look like.

And why are you talking about a door that is between Elvis dressing room and Lisa Marie's room when you don't even feature that aspect in your drawing?? - Do the floorplans have a door there? Yes. Does it lead up to the attic, according to the floor plans? Yes. Does this door display a room in the movie "This Is Elvis"? Yes. Does that lead me to think that the movie was indeed not recorded on the second floor? Yes.

[presley31]

To JTH: First of all I used my eyes watching the intro in This Is Elvis. Then I looked at the floorplans and quickly concluded that they could not be the official architactual drawings. An example: If you look at any floorplan on the web, they show a door between Elvis dressing room and Lisa Maris room. A door that is supposed to lead to the attic. That is not correct. Simply use your eyes, watch the intro in TIE and stop the scene where Elvis says goodnight to Lisa. There is no door. Best regards, Martin

Thanks for explaining.

[Unchained Melody]

Very interesting, thank you for sharing.

[MojoElvis]

AWESOME JOB..Just brings the reality of with life comes death. Even in the body of Elvis Presley but he forever lives in our hearts, memories, CD & DVD player. ;-)