Privacy for Elvis

[Diane]

I've never liked to pry into other people's personal lives because I was brought up to think that was a sign of respect for their privacy.

It made me think what if someone suggested we all talk about our own private and personal lives or our loved ones the way we talk about Elvis on these forums. Would anyone go for it? Who's first one up then?

My point is that there seems to be one set of rules for OUR personal lives and a complete opposite one for Elvis. Is it because he's a celebrity? But most of us claim he feels like part of our family yet we don't treat him like one. It seems to me like the rules are bent about this topic and are highly unfair.


Diane

[mislulu]

Good thread Diane. Elvis to me will always be handsome, always be young, will always be the most talented person in the world and will live on forever through the fans that adore him. I will never say anything negative about him. That is how and the way I will always feel about him! :D

[cprimm]

I agree with you Diane. He was a very private person but it seems that everyone wanted to know every detail about his private life. I have heard, from people that were around him, that he was a very nice and respectful person. I don't think that he would have asked people some of the questions that have been asked about him. I think those rules should also apply his daughter and grandchildren.

[presley31]

I agree with you Diane. He was a very private person but it seems that everyone wanted to know every detail about his private life. I have heard, from people that were around him, that he was a very nice and respectful person. I don't think that he would have asked people some of the questions that have been asked about him. I think those rules should also apply his daughter and grandchildren.

I agree, with you diane and cprimm.I know l wouln't want my life being talked about and people discussing everything.

[ilovelvis]

That there is a thread about Elvis' hygiene is disgusting to me (no offense, that's just my personal opinion). I know it's been talked about by some of the Memphis Mafia (obviously, they ran out of things to say about Elvis, so why not bring his bathing habits?), but consider the source. If they hadn't brought it up in the first place, I'm pretty sure the fans wouldn't be talking about it either. And you're right, Diane, I wouldn't myself or want anyone else discussing my or my families personal business.

Maybe because it's the internet, people feel they can write or say whatever they want and respect doesn't matter. We all know Elvis wasn't perfect. None of us are. But wouldn't you want the same respect? Do unto others...okay, okay...getting off my high horse. It just makes me feel sort of sad for Elvis. It's like we have to analyze EVERY single thing about him. Leave something to the imagaination (or not, like in the case with the hygiene thing, in which case, info about that is too much information).

Guess there isn't much we can do about it, but it would be nice if people used better discretion while talking about someone they admire.

[Merry]

I've never liked to pry into other people's personal lives because I was brought up to think that was a sign of respect for their privacy.

It made me think what if someone suggested we all talk about our own private and personal lives or our loved ones the way we talk about Elvis on these forums. Would anyone go for it? Who's first one up then?

My point is that there seems to be one set of rules for OUR personal lives and a complete opposite one for Elvis. Is it because he's a celebrity? But most of us claim he feels like part of our family yet we don't treat him like one. It seems to me like the rules are bent about this topic and are highly unfair.


Diane



I agree, Diane, I've raised this point myself before, while replying to someone at some stage, so reading what you wrote, and your replies thus far, I'm glad others feel the same.

Kim

[Tony Trout]

I've never liked to pry into other people's personal lives because I was brought up to think that was a sign of respect for their privacy.

It made me think what if someone suggested we all talk about our own private and personal lives or our loved ones the way we talk about Elvis on these forums. Would anyone go for it? Who's first one up then?

My point is that there seems to be one set of rules for OUR personal lives and a complete opposite one for Elvis. Is it because he's a celebrity? But most of us claim he feels like part of our family yet we don't treat him like one. It seems to me like the rules are bent about this topic and are highly unfair.


Diane


That there is a thread about Elvis' hygiene is disgusting to me (no offense, that's just my personal opinion). I know it's been talked about by some of the Memphis Mafia (obviously, they ran out of things to say about Elvis, so why not bring his bathing habits?), but consider the source. If they hadn't brought it up in the first place, I'm pretty sure the fans wouldn't be talking about it either. And you're right, Diane, I wouldn't myself or want anyone else discussing my or my families personal business.

Maybe because it's the internet, people feel they can write or say whatever they want and respect doesn't matter. We all know Elvis wasn't perfect. None of us are. But wouldn't you want the same respect? Do unto others...okay, okay...getting off my high horse. It just makes me feel sort of sad for Elvis. It's like we have to analyze EVERY single thing about him. Leave something to the imagaination (or not, like in the case with the hygiene thing, in which case, info about that is too much information).

Guess there isn't much we can do about it, but it would be nice if people used better discretion while talking about someone they admire.


I absolutely 100% agree with the above posts. Some things regarding Elvis should be kept private and not discussed....and yes, I'll agree that the personal hygiene thread went a bit over the line....

[Lisarose]

I've never liked to pry into other people's personal lives because I was brought up to think that was a sign of respect for their privacy.

It made me think what if someone suggested we all talk about our own private and personal lives or our loved ones the way we talk about Elvis on these forums. Would anyone go for it? Who's first one up then?

My point is that there seems to be one set of rules for OUR personal lives and a complete opposite one for Elvis. Is it because he's a celebrity? But most of us claim he feels like part of our family yet we don't treat him like one. It seems to me like the rules are bent about this topic and are highly unfair.


Diane


I agree with you, Diane. :notworthy It's one of the reasons I don't like some of the books out by some of the Memphis Mafia - TOO MUCH INFORMATION!! Same goes for the book written by Col. Tom, I didn't buy it, I picked it up to skim through at the library. There's one statement that IMO goes way over the line. If you've read it, you know what I mean, I can't bring myself to repeat it & I'm sorry I even opened that book!

[meg]

I agree with you, Diane. :notworthy It's one of the reasons I don't like some of the books out by some of the Memphis Mafia - TOO MUCH INFORMATION!! Same goes for the book written by Col. Tom, I didn't buy it, I picked it up to skim through at the library. There's one statement that IMO goes way over the line. If you've read it, you know what I mean, I can't bring myself to repeat it & I'm sorry I even opened that book!


The colonel wrote a book?Thats new:D?

There's one statement that IMO goes way over the line.Tell us please about that statement D

[Merry]

I agree with you, Diane. :notworthy It's one of the reasons I don't like some of the books out by some of the Memphis Mafia - TOO MUCH INFORMATION!! Same goes for the book written by Col. Tom, I didn't buy it, I picked it up to skim through at the library. There's one statement that IMO goes way over the line. If you've read it, you know what I mean, I can't bring myself to repeat it & I'm sorry I even opened that book!


I remember watching an interview whereas the Colonel said he wouldn't ever write a book.

He must have changed his mind?

Kimmi

[Suzan]

NOW THIS is a GREAT thread! Thank you Diane!!!!:hug:

I agree many times over!

And I apologize I don't remember who said it but whomever stated that it should apply to his daughter and his grandchildren~AMEN!

Also have to agree w/the individual who stated Elvis was a private person and that we fans want to know things about him, true all of that, but some things are better left unsaid, unknown.

I love the man, his music, his smile but most of all I love the heart of the man, his beautiful soul, yes he made mistakes, yes he had faults, he was human, I think at times sight of that is lost...irregardless, he deserves respect and the fans protection of his dignity, for that is all he ever wanted, was his privacy and his dignity.

One thread in particular had me floored, that someone claiming to be a fan would post.

Do I wear (and I love the term as used on this forum) rose colored glasses, absolutely not, does it change how I feel about him, a resounding NO!

Thank you again for a truly wonderful thread, am jealous I didn't think of it! rof ;):notworthy

[Getlo]

Sorry, but once a person's dead, privacy is no longer an issue.

If people decide to reveal stories after someone is gone, that's their choice. And it's our choice as to whether we want to listen to them. No one is forcing their Elvis stories down our throats.

Elvis has been dead 30 years: it's not as if any of this stuff happened yesterday.

What, do you want a moratorium on stories about Elvis forever?

[presley31]

Sorry, but once a person's dead, privacy is no longer an issue.

If people decide to reveal stories after someone is gone, that's their choice. And it's our choice as to whether we want to listen to them. No one is forcing their Elvis stories down our throats.

Elvis has been dead 30 years: it's not as if any of this stuff happened yesterday.

What, do you want a moratorium on stories about Elvis forever?

Some of us feel different:hmm:

[Getlo]

Some of us feel different:hmm:


Really? Thanks for the heads up ... ;)

[ksimms2]

Sorry, but once a person's dead, privacy is no longer an issue.

If people decide to reveal stories after someone is gone, that's their choice. And it's our choice as to whether we want to listen to them. No one is forcing their Elvis stories down our throats.

Elvis has been dead 30 years: it's not as if any of this stuff happened yesterday.

What, do you want a moratorium on stories about Elvis forever?

I agree Getlo...I understand how everyone feels - not wanting to discuss his private life - but because of how we feel about Elvis - we are fascinated by his private life....I don't think that is wrong by any means. We want to know what made him "tick".

As for the hygiene post - I am once again defending Vissie - she did not start that thread to be maliscious and I thought we agreed to drop the thread - but you guys keep bringing it up.....:blink:

[presley31]

I agree Getlo...I understand how everyone feels - not wanting to discuss his private life - but because of how we feel about Elvis - we are fascinated by his private life....I don't think that is wrong by any means. We want to know what made him "tick".

As for the hygiene post - I am once again defending Vissie - she did not start that thread to be maliscious and I thought we agreed to drop the thread - but you guys keep bringing it up.....:blink:

l agree Kelly, some threads l don't see nothing wrong with them, but than again we'd be shocked if someone was talking about us that way l suppose.

[ksimms2]

Jen, celebrities even today are under a micoscope because they are celebrities and that is the life they chose. Does it make it right? No....but it's something they learn to live with.

If Elvis had every done his own biography, maybe there wouldn't be so many questions...and if those around him told the truth and not just their version...maybe things would be different. But everywhere you read on this site most say don't believe the MM, don't believe Priscilla, don't believe George Klein, etc., etc. so we are all thirsting for more knowledge of our beloved Elvis.

You guys have no problems discussing his death and when/why/how of it.....why are you picking and choosing what is allowed to be posted on here? Those few of you jump down anyone else's throats that don't agree with you (no Jen not referring to you)...and it's not fair to the rest of us. We all have our opinions on his life and his death and if we didn't care about him - we would not even be on this site....so please try and keep that in mind.

[presley31]

Jen, celebrities even today are under a micoscope because they are celebrities and that is the life they chose. Does it make it right? No....but it's something they learn to live with.

If Elvis had every done his own biography, maybe there wouldn't be so many questions...and if those around him told the truth and not just their version...maybe things would be different. But everywhere you read on this site most say don't believe the MM, don't believe Priscilla, don't believe George Klein, etc., etc. so we are all thirsting for more knowledge of our beloved Elvis.

You guys have no problems discussing his death and when/why/how of it.....why are you picking and choosing what is allowed to be posted on here? Those few of you jump down anyone else's throats that don't agree with you (no Jen not referring to you)...and it's not fair to the rest of us. We all have our opinions on his life and his death and if we didn't care about him - we would not even be on this site....so please try and keep that in mind.

I agree with you kelly(y)

[Getlo]

You guys have no problems discussing his death and when/why/how of it.....why are you picking and choosing what is allowed to be posted on here? Those few of you jump down anyone else's throats that don't agree with you (no Jen not referring to you)...and it's not fair to the rest of us. We all have our opinions on his life and his death and if we didn't care about him - we would not even be on this site....so please try and keep that in mind.

Precisely. If you don't like a particular thread, don't post on it! And if you do post ... back yourself up with some references, ar at least explain how you came to your conclusions, eg. The Colonel "stole" Elvis from Parker (!) ... or the MM only did it for the money (!) etc etc

[presley31]

Precisely. If you don't like a particular thread, don't post on it! And if you do post ... back yourself up with some references, ar at least explain how you came to your conclusions, eg. The Colonel "stole" Elvis from Parker (!) ... or the MM only did it for the money (!) etc etc

we don't have to back anything up, we are fans here to say our peace just like the rest.

[Getlo]

we don't have to back anything up,

:doh::doh::doh::hmm::doh::hmm::doh::supriced:;);)

[Diane]

When I started this thread I wasn't talking about discussing why Elvis turned to drugs, why was he unfaithful, why he kept the Colonel, or what was the real cause of his death. I feel that subjects such as these are a very normal curiosity and natural that fans would want to know the answers.

But, I do feel that wanting to talk about a person's bathroom and bedroom habits does cross the line of good manners and respectability no matter who you are or who you are talking about.

Diane

[presley31]

When I started this thread I wasn't talking about discussing why Elvis turned to drugs, why was he unfaithful, why he kept the Colonel, or what was the real cause of his death. I feel that subjects such as these are a very normal curiosity and natural that fans would want to know the answers.

But, I do feel that wanting to talk about a person's bathroom and bedroom habits does cross the line of good manners and respectability no matter who you are or who you are talking about.

Diane

Good points diane(y)(y)

[Lisarose]

I remember watching an interview whereas the Colonel said he wouldn't ever write a book.

He must have changed his mind?

Kimmi

http://www.amazon.com/Colonel-Extraordinary-Story-Parker-Presley/dp/155652546X/ref=sr_1_28/105-1460453-1828454?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190122807&sr=1-28

Alanna Nash did talk to Col and has quoted him. Don't know when the book I read was published, I perused it at the library & it seemed old & well read.
No matter how much we know about Elvis, even if it came directly from 'the horse's mouth', there would still be people making up stories or asking more & even questioning him about it. Sometimes people want to believe the worst of others to make their ownselves feel better, I don't believe it would have mattered what he said or did, some folks would not be satisfied! Maybe that's why he didn't bother to reveal himself too much to very many. Once again, the image is hard to live up to. I don't blame him at all for his tirade at one of his shows, - enough is enough. You get pushed up against the wall & all you can do is fight back. He took alot of guff before he struck out, however. -:hmm: Now then where are those rose colored glasses. . ? :D

[ksimms2]

When I started this thread I wasn't talking about discussing why Elvis turned to drugs, why was he unfaithful, why he kept the Colonel, or what was the real cause of his death. I feel that subjects such as these are a very normal curiosity and natural that fans would want to know the answers.

But, I do feel that wanting to talk about a person's bathroom and bedroom habits does cross the line of good manners and respectability no matter who you are or who you are talking about.

Diane

all points back to what made him tick...I don't think anybody on here is posting anything to be hurtful to Elvis. I'm fascinated by him and his life and try to learn as much as I can - the good and the bad comes with it. You have to accept him for who he was - not your idea of who he was....

[Getlo]

even if it came directly from 'the horse's mouth', there would still be people making up stories. Sometimes people want to believe the worst of others.

So, if this rule applies to Elvis, why isn't the same leeway given to members of the MM, Cilla, or even Lisa by some posters on here and elsewhere?

[Lisarose]

So, if this rule applies to Elvis, why isn't the same leeway given to members of the MM, Cilla, or even Lisa by some posters on here and elsewhere?

:'( Don't know - maybe because it isn't about these people - it's all about Elvis. Elvis is the one with the talent, the looks, the personality & the fame. When it all comes down to it Elvis is the one who had the most to lose - and yet, he's still on top. :king::hug:

[Getlo]

:'( Don't know - maybe because it isn't about these people - it's all about Elvis.

Not necessarily. For instance, the thread about Sonny's latest book isn't about Elvis, and nor are several other threads on here.

Some people in these threads simply refuse to believe that Elvis could've been less than perfect, and that stories from another side may in fact be true ...

[Diane]

Kelly, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this thread. I can't understand your fascination with these subjects and you can't understand why I'm disgusted by them.

Diane

[presley31]

:'( Don't know - maybe because it isn't about these people - it's all about Elvis. Elvis is the one with the talent, the looks, the personality & the fame. When it all comes down to it Elvis is the one who had the most to lose - and yet, he's still on top. :king::hug:

I agree Lisarose, it all comes down to elvis and elvis alone.(y)

[Diane]

I have to agree with Getlo on one thing. If we want to give Elvis the benefit of the doubt about some things, we should be able to give Pris, Sonny etc. some slack too....until something concrete comes up that either proves us right or wrong. At the moment I don't like either one, don't hate, just don't like but I'm willing to keep an open mind.

Diane

[EDOEP]

But, I do feel that wanting to talk about a person's bathroom and bedroom habits does cross the line of good manners and respectability no matter who you are or who you are talking about.

Diane

yepp! that's one reason why i dislike priscilla so much ... she spread her - alleged - bedroom stories not only in her book, but also in films about elvis and in every talkshow that allows her to do so.

if chicks of not much or no importance at all for elvis (like sheila ryan or peggy lipton or what was her name again!?) do so ... blame it on their lack of class.

if the former wife does so .... well, guess we have to blame it on her lack of class as well. :doh:

one thing i will never do e.g. is post pics of elvis in underwear from those army induction med. exams - i simply find those should have never found their way into the internet.

hugs, ellie

[presley31]

I have to agree with Getlo on one thing. If we want to give Elvis the benefit of the doubt about some things, we should be able to give Pris, Sonny etc. some slack too....until something concrete comes up that either proves us right or wrong. At the moment I don't like either one, don't hate, just don't like but I'm willing to keep an open mind.

Diane

l agree with everything you said, not sure about the Sonny one but working on it.(y)

[kellyelvis]

To me Elvis was Elvis. yes he probably had a very eratic lifestyle and really why shouldn't he, We all have faults and weakenesses. people say Elvis had a bad temper, but can anyone show me a person that doesnt have one. And the "womanising stuff. to be honest its none of our buisness what he did. Elvis was human and just like all of us He did his own thing and lived his life his why. If ppl have a problem with that then that's down to them. Elvis was a kind and lovely human being. Whatever he got up to is down to him really. I bet he did a lot of things we often daydream about doing anyway. Elvis was Elvis no matter what he did.

[Diane]

Ellie, loved your post - we are definitely on the same page. :)

Jen, I'm working on Sonny too, just haven't gotten there yet. :)


Diane

[Getlo]

one thing i will never do e.g. is post pics of elvis in underwear from those army induction med. exams - i simply find those should have never found their way into the internet.


Why on earth not???

What is the big deal? He's standing there in his underwear (as all soldiers did) ... so what??

Elvis' induction was a significant event in pop culture. What is so offensive about these pics??? It's not as if "Little Elvis" is hanging out!!!

Elvis looks fine with all the fuss in these pics anyway ...

[Getlo]

not sure about the Sonny one but working on it.(y)


Hmmmmm ...no, don't think you will.

[ksimms2]

Kelly, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this thread. I can't understand your fascination with these subjects and you can't understand why I'm disgusted by them.

Diane

Diane, agreed on the "agree to disagree" thing....however, I'm not "fascinated by these subjects" I'm fascinated by ALL Elvis....every aspect of his life....I care that he was happy, I care that he was not happy, I care that he was ill and feel helpless that I was not able to do anything for him....and being just a little girl at the time of course I couldnt...but you know what I mean....I'm sure you feel the same......"if we could have only saved him" :'(

[franny]

When I started this thread I wasn't talking about discussing why Elvis turned to drugs, why was he unfaithful, why he kept the Colonel, or what was the real cause of his death. I feel that subjects such as these are a very normal curiosity and natural that fans would want to know the answers.

But, I do feel that wanting to talk about a person's bathroom and bedroom habits does cross the line of good manners and respectability no matter who you are or who you are talking about.

Diane

I agree, Diane! Great thread btw! (y)

There's a line that shouldn't be crossed and there should be respect for Elvis and his memory!

Why is it important to know about his bathroom/bedroom habits? Is there no limit, to what is discussed?! :blink:

franny

[EDOEP]

Why on earth not???

What is the big deal? He's standing there in his underwear (as all soldiers did) ... so what??

Elvis' induction was a significant event in pop culture. What is so offensive about these pics??? It's not as if "Little Elvis" is hanging out!!!

well, i think pictures in UNDERWEAR are not for public eyes! i would not like to find my pics in underwear in papers as well. swimsuit is different and OK.

those parts covered by underwear are called 'private parts' :D, remember?. not 'public parts' .... and that's why these regions should remain private.

of course it was important that elvis served in the army .... but i guess any shot of him wearing uniform, fatigues, in maneuver or the induction ceremony can underline the importance far better than the med. exam pics.

all the other guys on those pics .... no one's interested in them. i wonder if they all are amused to find themselves in the papers. probably nobody asked them permission.

and i do find it just as disgusting when 'ladies' (?) like cybill sheperd go into detail what they allegedly 'taught' elvis and how good or how bad he did 'perform'.

jesus, if elvis would have wished these intimate information to became public, he would have told reporters himself.

BUT ....

he is dead and cannot defend himself nor has he the opportunity of setting things straight. i DO doubt that 80% of those tell-all-leechers would dare to 'speak out' if he was still alive because they would probably hear from his lawyers.

hugs, ellie

[presley31]

well, i think pictures in UNDERWEAR are not for public eyes! i would not like to find my pics in underwear in papers as well. swimsuit is different and OK.

those parts covered by underwear are called 'private parts' :D, remember?. not 'public parts' .... and that's why these regions should remain private.

of course it was important that elvis served in the army .... but i guess any shot of him wearing uniform, fatigues, in maneuver or the induction ceremony can underline the importance far better than the med. exam pics.

all the other guys on those pics .... no one's interested in them. i wonder if they all are amused to find themselves in the papers. probably nobody asked them permission.

and i do find it just as disgusting when 'ladies' (?) like cybill sheperd go into detail what they allegedly 'taught' elvis and how good or how bad he did 'perform'.

jesus, if elvis would have wished these intimate information to became public, he would have told reporters himself.

BUT ....

he is dead and cannot defend himself nor has he the opportunity of setting things straight. i DO doubt that 80% of those tell-all-leechers would dare to 'speak out' if he was still alive because they would probably hear from his lawyers.

hugs, ellie

welll said Ellie(y)(y)

[Getlo]

well, i think pictures in UNDERWEAR are not for public eyes! those parts covered by underwear are called 'private parts' jesus, if elvis would have wished these intimate information to became public, he would have told reporters himself.



You're a prude. His "private parts" are covered - these undies are similar to what you'd expect to see at the beach!

And if Elvis didn't want the pictures taken, all he had to do was ask. As many pics of the event - and teh film too - shows, he was having a good time.

Lighten up, or you'll give yourself a heart-attack. ;)

[Diane]

Thanks Franny, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. (y)

Kelly, I care about all the same things you do about Elvis, we all do, but none of us could have saved him. My opinion is that he needed more help than he got and he needed to find his own inner strength to get off the pills, change his diet and stay healthy - neither happened. I have the feeling at the end there he was thinking of doing just that but didn't get the chance. Would he have followed through? We'll never know.

Diane

[EDOEP]

You're a prude. His "private parts" are covered - these undies are similar to what you'd expect to see at the beach!

And if Elvis didn't want the pictures taken, all he had to do was ask. As many pics of the event - and teh film too - shows, he was having a good time.

Lighten up, or you'll give yourself a heart-attack. ;)

i am far from being prude :blink: - but i can differentiate between 'public' and 'private'. on our sailingboat, i like to take my sunbathes and to swim wearing nothing - if we are far enough from the shore and other boats. closer to the shore i wear a swimsuit (or jump into the rear cabin :)).

guess i should regard myself lucky that both my hubbie's underwear and beachwear are a little more becoming that these white .... whatever you call them in english. the german term is 'unaussprechliche' :lmfao:. can't think of a proper translation that catches the connotation.

the point is not that the pics were taken - maybe he wanted them for himself. the point is: did he want them published?

hugs, ellie

[EDOEP]

welll said Ellie(y)(y)

thank you :hug:. we may disagree on priscilla, but we agree on elvis. which is what counts, isn't it?

[Getlo]

the point is not that the pics were taken - maybe he wanted them for himself. the point is: did he want them published?



Yeah, I'm sure he wanted pics of himself in his undies being inducted into the army! ;)

He and the Colonel knew the score. The snappers were there to get their pics ... where did Elvis think they'd end up? Just staying unpublished in the camera??

What do you do during the scene in Blue Hawaii, where Elvis takes off his top to go swimming ... close your eyes? :blush::blush::blush:

[presley31]

thank you :hug:. we may disagree on priscilla, but we agree on elvis. which is what counts, isn't it?

yes ellie but its ok cause l respect what you have to say, and yes can agree on elvis.:hug:

[EDOEP]

Yeah, I'm sure he wanted pics of himself in his undies being inducted into the army! ;)

He and the Colonel knew the score. The snappers were there to get their pics ... where did Elvis think they'd end up? Just staying unpublished in the camera??

no, i guess he wanted them to stay in his own archives. or did he permit publication?


What do you do during the scene in Blue Hawaii, where Elvis takes off his top to go swimming ... close your eyes? :blush::blush::blush:

you didn't read my post below ... obviously.

apart from that - the last time i saw 'blue hawaii' was 2+ decades ago - i don't like the 60s pics, plots are too shallow. i like the documentaries and the 50s films.

guess i'll stop the underwear discussion here.

hugs, ellie

[TurnpikeTaylor]

You dont like "Blue Hawaii" ? A superb old fashioned family musical and Elvis was never in better voice.

[ksimms2]

Thanks Franny, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. (y)

Kelly, I care about all the same things you do about Elvis, we all do, but none of us could have saved him. My opinion is that he needed more help than he got and he needed to find his own inner strength to get off the pills, change his diet and stay healthy - neither happened. I have the feeling at the end there he was thinking of doing just that but didn't get the chance. Would he have followed through? We'll never know.

Diane

Diane, I don't know if he would have followed through, I would hope that he was almost to his "rock bottom" and would have...but unfortunately his rock bottom was death....which is the saddest thing of all....:'(

[ksimms2]

And as far as his Army pics in his undies....the press was following him around everywhere and he knew where the pictures would wind up. If he didn't want them taken, he would have asked whoever took them to leave.....Elvis knew every move he made would be photographed and documented....so have to agree with Getlo on this one.

[presley31]

l don't believe elvis undies should be on this forum, but thats my two cents.

[Getlo]

l don't believe elvis undies should be on this forum, but thats my two cents.

Then maybe take it up with the mods ... the pics I placed earlier are from TCB-World's gallery.

Honestly, I just don't see what the big deal is. It's just underwear ... ! :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

[ksimms2]

No disrespect to you Jen, or anyone on this forum. But I thought TCB World was a place for all Elvis fans to meet and talk about Elvis.....not pick and choose only what a few of you want to talk about. I'm getting a bit frustrated not being able to voice my opinion without being bashed by a certain few. And those that disagree with what I say are more than welcome to - just please don't phrase it so hateful....I'd appreciate that very much. (y)

[TLC67]

I say just skip the threads that are a turn off to you personally and move on. This one started out okay but...I'm movin' on!

[presley31]

Then maybe take it up with the mods ... the pics I placed earlier are from TCB-World's gallery.

Honestly, I just don't see what the big deal is. It's just underwear ... ! :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

l didn't say anyting about the gallery, l was talking about the forum.

[Getlo]

l didn't say anyting about the gallery, l was talking about the forum.

What happened to your ignoring me once again? ;)

The fact is, these photos have been around since 1958 in one form or another.

And what about those shots of Elvis, Lisa Marie and Cilla (ie the family shots) from 1971? Much more private an intimate in their way.

No one objects to those. They didn't come out until after '77, courtesy of Cilla. Would Elvis have wanted those published? Probably not, and they're infintely more personal and private than pictures taken at a public media event.

I am highly amused by all the kerfuffle over a few completely innocent shots of Elvis in his undies from his army induction! :lmfao:

[KPM]

I may not like a thread but if I have a point of view which adds to it or is valid I will post. Sometimes the "right to know" argument is overused. I'm not sure what we have a "right to know" I'm sure Elvis would have had an opinion on that subject.
Society as a whole in the last 100 years has advanced beyond wildest dreams in science and technology but IMO we have regressed 300 years in manners, taste, dignity and respect. The care for feelings of others especially in the cold internet society is sadly lacking.
Without looking any one in the eye and actually "knowing them" you can say anything without seeing firsthand the hurt and harm it causes. This is sad and not progress.

[Diane]

Yup................(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[Merry]

Sorry, but once a person's dead, privacy is no longer an issue.

If people decide to reveal stories after someone is gone, that's their choice. And it's our choice as to whether we want to listen to them. No one is forcing their Elvis stories down our throats.

Elvis has been dead 30 years: it's not as if any of this stuff happened yesterday.

What, do you want a moratorium on stories about Elvis forever?



(n) .............

[Merry]

http://www.amazon.com/Colonel-Extraordinary-Story-Parker-Presley/dp/155652546X/ref=sr_1_28/105-1460453-1828454?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190122807&sr=1-28

Alanna Nash did talk to Col and has quoted him. Don't know when the book I read was published, I perused it at the library & it seemed old & well read.
No matter how much we know about Elvis, even if it came directly from 'the horse's mouth', there would still be people making up stories or asking more & even questioning him about it. Sometimes people want to believe the worst of others to make their ownselves feel better, I don't believe it would have mattered what he said or did, some folks would not be satisfied! Maybe that's why he didn't bother to reveal himself too much to very many. Once again, the image is hard to live up to. I don't blame him at all for his tirade at one of his shows, - enough is enough. You get pushed up against the wall & all you can do is fight back. He took alot of guff before he struck out, however. -:hmm: Now then where are those rose colored glasses. . ? :D



I agree with you Lisarose.

Any masculine man will turn around, when exasperated, having had enough of the goings on, when things have been going on and on ..... and say his peace, in my opinion.

I also object to fans harping on a subject (drugs). Yes, fine, we know the story, but to keep going on and on about the same thing, just for a reaction from everyone else ......... well, I just ignore now, in my opinion, it is the reaction they want.

Kim

[Merry]

all points back to what made him tick...I don't think anybody on here is posting anything to be hurtful to Elvis. I'm fascinated by him and his life and try to learn as much as I can - the good and the bad comes with it. You have to accept him for who he was - not your idea of who he was....


With all due respect, I can see your point, but it comes down to respect, comes down to not speaking ill of others.

Take care,
Kim

[Merry]

well, i think pictures in UNDERWEAR are not for public eyes! i would not like to find my pics in underwear in papers as well. swimsuit is different and OK.



hugs, ellie


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Yeah Ellie!

Hugs,
Kimmi

[Merry]

I may not like a thread but if I have a point of view which adds to it or is valid I will post. Sometimes the "right to know" argument is overused. I'm not sure what we have a "right to know" I'm sure Elvis would have had an opinion on that subject.
Society as a whole in the last 100 years has advanced beyond wildest dreams in science and technology but IMO we have regressed 300 years in manners, taste, dignity and respect. The care for feelings of others especially in the cold internet society is sadly lacking.
Without looking any one in the eye and actually "knowing them" you can say anything without seeing firsthand the hurt and harm it causes. This is sad and not progress.


Thank you KPM


Kim

[Suzan]

Originally Posted by KPM
I may not like a thread but if I have a point of view which adds to it or is valid I will post. Sometimes the "right to know" argument is overused. I'm not sure what we have a "right to know" I'm sure Elvis would have had an opinion on that subject.
Society as a whole in the last 100 years has advanced beyond wildest dreams in science and technology but IMO we have regressed 300 years in manners, taste, dignity and respect. The care for feelings of others especially in the cold internet society is sadly lacking.
Without looking any one in the eye and actually "knowing them" you can say anything without seeing firsthand the hurt and harm it causes. This is sad and not progress.

WOW I just LOVE your posts, so dead on! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!!!!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy :hug::clap:(y)

[Suzan]

What happened to your ignoring me once again? ;)

The fact is, these photos have been around since 1958 in one form or another.

And what about those shots of Elvis, Lisa Marie and Cilla (ie the family shots) from 1971? Much more private an intimate in their way.

No one objects to those. They didn't come out until after '77, courtesy of Cilla. Would Elvis have wanted those published? Probably not, and they're infintely more personal and private than pictures taken at a public media event.

I am highly amused by all the kerfuffle over a few completely innocent shots of Elvis in his undies from his army induction! :lmfao:

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
Thank you! :notworthy

I love when someone starts using my phrases.lol

[Getlo]

(n) .............

Thank you for giving such a detailed opinion. :doh:



(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
Thank you! :notworthy

I love when someone starts using my phrases.lol

What phrase was that, Suzan?

[ksimms2]

With all due respect, I can see your point, but it comes down to respect, comes down to not speaking ill of others.

Take care,
Kim

okay...so this forum will be like this: "elvis was so wonderful, he was the best singer ever" we won't discuss any aspects of his life other than how wonderful he was......Sorry Kim...but that would not be true then....because he did have real life problems....we know he is the greatest ever.....but we'd run out of things quick to say if that's all we spoke about, don't you think?

[EDOEP]

You dont like "Blue Hawaii" ? A superb old fashioned family musical and Elvis was never in better voice.

no, i don't. see below. probably i am not 'old fashioned' enough :P.

elvis was in good voice most of his life - except from 76 onwards, maybe.

hugs, ellie

[Diane]

What exactly would you like to talk about Kelly to make this forum more exciting for you? We covered Elvis' addiction to pills, bad temper, womanizing and embarrassing death. Is that not enough?

Diane

[presley31]

okay...so this forum will be like this: "elvis was so wonderful, he was the best singer ever" we won't discuss any aspects of his life other than how wonderful he was......Sorry Kim...but that would not be true then....because he did have real life problems....we know he is the greatest ever.....but we'd run out of things quick to say if that's all we spoke about, don't you think?

Good point Kelly(y)

[EDOEP]

I may not like a thread but if I have a point of view which adds to it or is valid I will post. Sometimes the "right to know" argument is overused. I'm not sure what we have a "right to know" I'm sure Elvis would have had an opinion on that subject.
Society as a whole in the last 100 years has advanced beyond wildest dreams in science and technology but IMO we have regressed 300 years in manners, taste, dignity and respect. The care for feelings of others especially in the cold internet society is sadly lacking.
Without looking any one in the eye and actually "knowing them" you can say anything without seeing firsthand the hurt and harm it causes. This is sad and not progress.

KPM: (y)

to all the fans of intimate issues made public i would like to recommend reading this book (or at least some chapters of it):

richard sennett: 'the fall of public man'.
http://www.amazon.de/Fall-Public-Man-Open-Market/dp/0393308790/ref=sr_1_2/028-2463391-9080509?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1190206401&sr=1-2

the german subtitle i personally find even more suitable: 'die tyrannei der intimitaet' = 'the tyranny of intimacy'.

hugs, ellie

PS @getlo: i think for 'privacy' there is no expiration date! also not 30 years after his demise.

[presley31]

What exactly would you like to talk about Kelly to make this forum more exciting for you? We covered Elvis' addiction to pills, bad temper, womanizing and embarrassing death. Is that not enough?

Diane

Your right Diane, l think we covered it all.

[ksimms2]

What exactly would you like to talk about Kelly to make this forum more exciting for you? We covered Elvis' addiction to pills, bad temper, womanizing and embarrassing death. Is that not enough?

Diane

Diane, I am not asking to talk about anything else......I am just defending the fact that we should not be censored and only talk about the good stuff.....that's all. I like this forum just fine, but when anyone tries talking about anything other than the "golden elvis" we get jumped on......yes....we get jumped on. That is all I am trying to say Diane. I'm not trying to upset you or anyone else. I would just like to be able to voice my opinions freely without having to deal with this.

[presley31]

Diane, I am not asking to talk about anything else......I am just defending the fact that we should not be censored and only talk about the good stuff.....that's all. I like this forum just fine, but when anyone tries talking about anything other than the "golden elvis" we get jumped on......yes....we get jumped on. That is all I am trying to say Diane. I'm not trying to upset you or anyone else. I would just like to be able to voice my opinions freely without having to deal with this.

I agree with that kelly, l tend to jump sometimes which is wrong, but we accept that theres new ones in here that are learning too. I guess we need to be open all areas of elvis life.

[Diane]

You keep missing the point about respect for the man Kelly. There are certain subjects that do cross the line and should be banned in an open forum.

Diane

[ksimms2]

You keep missing the point about respect for the man Kelly. There are certain subjects that do cross the line and should be banned in an open forum.

Diane

you know what? I'm done.....you are missing my point too Diane....so out of respect for Elvis...we'll only talk about everything good....never discuss anything bad - even though we aren't slamming him in any way - we can never discuss anything negative from Elvis' life......

Okay....you win. Congratulations!

[Getlo]

You keep missing the point about respect for the man Kelly. There are certain subjects that do cross the line and should be banned in an open forum.

Diane

Banning in an open forum is an oxy*****! If it's open, then it's open.

No subject should be off limits, so long as the threads pertaining to it abide by forum rules. If a subject makes people uncomfortable, then ignore it.

[TurnpikeTaylor]

Hey this thread is harmless compared to the one on Elvis Collectors board, concerning what was a 24 year old Elvis doing with a 14 year old Cilla, 6/7 years back.

[Diane]

Yup, I'm sorry too that we can't seem to understand one another Kelly. I'm willing to discuss any topic such as what I mentioned above, drug addiction, womanizing etc. but when it comes to hygiene and the sexual habits of Elvis that DOES cross the line for me and find it hypocritical if you're unwilling to talk about that about yourself but it's okay to drag that all out about Elvis as Priscilla and some of the MM have done. I refuse to aid them in that.

Diane

[presley31]

Yup, I'm sorry too that we can't seem to understand one another Kelly. I'm willing to discuss any topic such as what I mentioned above, drug addiction, womanizing etc. but when it comes to hygiene and the sexual habits of Elvis that DOES cross the line for me and find it hypocritical if you're unwilling to talk about that about yourself but it's okay to drag that all out about Elvis as Priscilla and some of the MM have done. I refuse to aid them in that.

Diane

l agree diane, those sort of things shouldn't be discussed.

[Diane]

I'm sure you're right TurnpikeTaylor but most of us TCB members are very proud of our site and are trying to keep it clean.

Diane

[Getlo]

l agree diane, those sort of things shouldn't be discussed.

So don't discuss them, either here or in your private world. ;)

The thread is about privacy for Elvis; there are those of us who believe these things can and should be discussed openly and rationally here, with a myriad of opinions from around the world.

If you think certain subjects cross your own line of what is decent, fine. You said yourself, "I guess we need to be open all areas of elvis life" ... so let others be as open and as honest as they like about such subject matters.

... so long as the posts do not break forum rules, as I said.

For instance, I find the thread re funeral songs and discussions on what Elvis tracks you would play at your funeral distasteful in the extreme; in fact I am downright sickened by it.

But do I go on there and say "I don't think you should be discussing this sort of thing"? No, I don't. Because a) others have the right to do it and b) it's not something I choose to respond to.

As far as I'm concerned, no subject regarding Elvis should be off limits. If something bothers anyone, I'd suggest they opt not to post.

[presley31]

I'm sure you're right TurnpikeTaylor but most of us TCB members are very proud of our site and are trying to keep it clean.

Diane

True Diane, but some forums think we like to bricker and fight here:'(

[Tony Trout]

True Diane, but some forums think we like to bricker and fight here:'(


Well, lately there has been a lot of fighting and bickering going on here....

[Diane]

Funny we weren't that kind of site just a few months ago Jen. Maybe if we stay out of the arguing posts they'll die a natural death or just leave the ones who like it by themselves in their own threads. If they come in ours, ignore them.

I for one sure don't want to lose Tony and other members who are getting fed up and who are great assets to our site.

Diane

[presley31]

Good points Diane, l don't want to see any of the members leave, we are adults so we should act like it. I for one will be staying out of the bickering.

[ksimms2]

Funny we weren't that kind of site just a few months ago Jen. Maybe if we stay out of the arguing posts they'll die a natural death or just leave the ones who like it by themselves in their own threads. If they come in ours, ignore them.

I for one sure don't want to lose Tony and other members who are getting fed up and who are great assets to our site.

Diane

Diane, would you be referring to me? The posts become arguements when you keep harping on someone for their opinions and it turns nasty. Instead of just acknowledging that you don't agree. you can't force your opinions down others throats. I learn alot on this site because alot of you know way more than I on the subject of Elvis and the MM, his music, movies, etc. But it seems you want to take away everyone else's right to speak freely on this site....I don't mean the trash talking stuff....I mean regular discussions on his life - whether good or bad. His ups and downs. I want to get along with everyone. (y)

[Diane]

No Kelly, I wasn't referring to you in particular and I sure do wish we could understand each other. Please read my post #80 again and you will see that I am open to discussing ANY subject about Elvis. EXCEPT his personal hygiene and sexual preferences which is the reason I started this thread. I wasn't the only one offended by the hygiene thread. For further understanding, read KPM's post #58. Also count the posts who also agree that those subjects are crossing the line in good manners and respect for Elvis.

If you keep at me saying you still don't understand me after this post, I will count you in among the ones who are ankle biters and will ignore you.

Diane

[ksimms2]

No Kelly, I wasn't referring to you in particular and I sure do wish we could understand each other. Please read my post #80 again and you will see that I am open to discussing ANY subject about Elvis. EXCEPT his personal hygiene and sexual preferences which is the reason I started this thread. I wasn't the only one offended by the hygiene thread. For further understanding, read KPM's post #58. Also count the posts who also agree that those subjects are crossing the line in good manners and respect for Elvis.

If you keep at me saying you still don't understand me after this post, I will count you in among the ones who are ankle biters and will ignore you.

Diane

I'm no ankle biter I promise! ;) I feel bad because of the hygiene post - even though I didn't start it - but I understood why the person started it - it was innocent enough, her reasons were...but it turned ugly and now she may quit the group because of it.....I feel really bad because she's a sweet person. :'(

[presley31]

Sorry to hear that Kelly, don't like to see people leave but some threads are going to get ugly when it has to do with that hygiene thread or the priscillas threads. Fans have there own ways of expressing themselves and sometimes they go over board, but we can all agree we are here for one reason and that elvis.

[ksimms2]

oh absolutely Jen, Elvis is our reason for being here. I love Elvis and everything about him....I worship the ground he walks on....just because I discuss those others things does not mean that I don't...I promise. I apologize to anyone who thinks differently.

[Rhinestone]

I had a very close friend die about two years ago. He did not always live an explemary life and had certain traits that were annoying to me. But the positive traits outweighed the negative and he was a loyal, faithful friend with whom I shared some of the best times of my life. I would never discuss or reveal certain aspects of his life to casual acquaitences or someone who "just want to know" out of respect and loyalty to my friend. My friend was very well known in this area and in a sense, a "public figure."

Elvis had too many "friends" who don't feel that of same sense of honor and loyalty. The hygiene issue had already been touched upon in another book(s), but the Memphis Mafia bunch unnecessarily discussed this from their perspective in a detailed, crude, mean-spirited manner that startled and stood out to the reader. There were other things said in that book that wasn't necessary in order to understand the man. In my quest to know and understand the man and the entertainer Elvis, I read stuff that made me feel embarassed and guilty to have read. So, it's a dilemma...I want to know about Elvis but there are things I have no right to know even though Elvis is a celebrity and a public figure.

I think it does come down to good manners, good taste, respect of others...values that are disappearing from our society, and it's reflected in the books we read as well as in mainstream media. Too many of his "friends" crossed the line in an effort to be noticed, sell more of their books, etc. As far as some discussions on public boards, let your conscience be your guide and ask yourself if this is something you'd talk about if it were your friends and family. If I'm in a room where others are discussing someone in a disrespectful way, I leave the room. Sometimes you can send a strong message and not have to say a word.

[Suzan]

I think that the new people get attacked, I think that we should be able to discuss our opinions, like everyone else, w/o fear of someone coming at us.
I agree w/all the post's from Tony, every single one of them...I've yet to see him attack anyone for anything, I think all the members should be like that.
I have met a handful of very nice one's and am thankful for that but I don't understand the one's that want to start fights.
I didn't and I don't agree w/the hygiene thread, it was way over the line in my opinion and I voiced my opinion as did everyone else.
The Pris threads, again not everyone loves her, should they be massacred for that, no, no more then the one's who do defend her should be.
This is also an open fan forum, with many different nationalities, etc...if you don't want different opinion's, and such, then it should have been made private.
This is everyone's forum so to speak, for we are all Elvis fans, first and foremost.
These are my 2 cents and my own thoughts on the topic.
I do also want to thank those that did make me feel welcome, that did show me kindness and those people know who they are.
To the rest, well nothing to say, except maybe for them to think how they themselves would want to be treated and that we ea. reap what we sow.:)

[renapap05]

I agree with you Diane. He was a very private person but it seems that everyone wanted to know every detail about his private life. I have heard, from people that were around him, that he was a very nice and respectful person. I don't think that he would have asked people some of the questions that have been asked about him. I think those rules should also apply his daughter and grandchildren.

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