If You Heard It Straight From Elvis...

[The King's Queen]

Lately I have noticed that there are so many different viewpoints of the stuff that has been put out there about Elvis. And so many of us are almost immovable in our opinions concerning things pertaining to Elvis, or the people who were around him.

Let's just suppose for a moment that something were to appear, maybe a diary or journal or something similiar, that had been kept by Elvis. And in this "journal", per say, was all kinds of information on the people around him, details of his relationships, and answers to all of the "what if's" and "why's" that so many people have pondered for so long. Now here is my question:

If Elvis' story or view of something/someone were to differ greatly from the view or image that you have concieved...would it sway your opinion just because you were hearing it straight from Elvis? :king:

[ksimms2]

yes. I'm not sure why....but yes.....I so want to hear his life story from HIM and nobody else. Good thread Lea.

[The King's Queen]

yes. I'm not sure why....but yes.....I so want to hear his life story from HIM and nobody else. Good thread Lea.

Thanks Kell-Kell...;) It is just something that I've often wondered about...:hmm:

[ElvisChick]

good question! Yes it would change my opinion because everybody can lie and say stuff about Elvis that isnt true but only he can tell you the truth about what went on.


Sarah:king:

[The King's Queen]

good question! Yes it would change my opinion because everybody can lie and say stuff about Elvis that isnt true but only he can tell you the truth about what went on.


Sarah:king:

Thanks for sharing that Sarah (y)

[Merry]

Lately I have noticed that there are so many different viewpoints of the stuff that has been put out there about Elvis. And so many of us are almost immovable in our opinions concerning things pertaining to Elvis, or the people who were around him.

Let's just suppose for a moment that something were to appear, maybe a diary or journal or something similiar, that had been kept by Elvis. And in this "journal", per say, was all kinds of information on the people around him, details of his relationships, and answers to all of the "what if's" and "why's" that so many people have pondered for so long. Now here is my question:

If Elvis' story or view of something/someone were to differ greatly from the view or image that you have concieved...would it sway your opinion just because you were hearing it straight from Elvis? :king:





OF COURSE! (You know, a lot of people who love Elvis, do portray situations beautifully, too).

Kimmi

[Diane]

Absolutely as I think Elvis was a very truthful person and I would tend to believe his words.

Diane

[The King's Queen]

OF COURSE! (You know, a lot of people who love Elvis, do portray situations beautifully, too).

Kimmi

LOL...:lmfao: Yes, Kimmi, they do try to!

[The King's Queen]

Absolutely as I think Elvis was a very truthful person and I would tend to believe his words.

Diane

In 100% agreement Diane! (y)

[ilovelvis]

It would be interesting to hear Elvis' point of view. Whether I believed it or not, well, I would want to, but I'd have rather have heard HIS point of veiw BEFORE he died and maybe a lot of these B.S. books would have never come to be.

Whether Elvis or whoever, I've come to learn that two people can see the same picture and have two different opinions about it. Certain things in life are cut and dried, though and when it comes to anything about Elvis, it just gets me crazy when I hear two different versions of the same thing. I've read Tom Parker had a terrible gambling problem, then read recently that no he didn't. I've heard different stories about why Elvis didn't make the movie A Star Is Born. I'm pretty much to the point where I don't even care anymore, if I can't seem to get the truth, whatever THAT is in Elvis' world, all I can do is choose to believe what I want to believe.

Good question!

[Merry]

In 100% agreement Diane! (y)



Yes, very truthful.

Kimmi

[Merry]

LOL...:lmfao: Yes, Kimmi, they do try to!




Hugs you, friend.

Kimmi

[Tony Trout]

If it came from Elvis I definitely would believe it...no question about it!!

[The King's Queen]

If it came from Elvis I definitely would believe it...no question about it!!

Right on Tony! (y)

[nolvis]

:DOf course Elvis' word would be golden to me!!!:D(y):king:(y):king:(y)

[The King's Queen]

:DOf course Elvis' word would be golden to me!!!:D(y):king:(y):king:(y)

Of course...(y)...and golden to me as well! ;)

[Vissie]

Lately I have noticed that there are so many different viewpoints of the stuff that has been put out there about Elvis. And so many of us are almost immovable in our opinions concerning things pertaining to Elvis, or the people who were around him.

Let's just suppose for a moment that something were to appear, maybe a diary or journal or something similiar, that had been kept by Elvis. And in this "journal", per say, was all kinds of information on the people around him, details of his relationships, and answers to all of the "what if's" and "why's" that so many people have pondered for so long. Now here is my question:

If Elvis' story or view of something/someone were to differ greatly from the view or image that you have concieved...would it sway your opinion just because you were hearing it straight from Elvis? :king:



It would enhance my understanding of his family, friends and events. But, even though it would be coming straight from him, it would still be only his perception. No human is omniscient, not even Elvis.

[Vissie]

Let me add, if it was regarding something like did he really love burnt bacon.. or.. his personal feelings about someone (like could he really tolerate Joe or someone else who was in his life) then that is something different. I often wish he would've written an autobiography to help all of us better understand his life.

[Donut]

That he tells it wouldn?t be a guaranty that what he says is the whole truth. After all he lied more than once in relation of his medication abuse and his many lovers along his life and while being married.
Anyway, he wouldn?t have to explain anything about his private life and I don?t think that many of those who have written books on him would have done it if he was alive and could defend himself.

[The King's Queen]

Let me add, if it was regarding something like did he really love burnt bacon.. or.. his personal feelings about someone (like could he really tolerate Joe or someone else who was in his life) then that is something different. I often wish he would've written an autobiography to help all of us better understand his life.


Yes Vissie, it would have cleared the air on a lot of these debates, wouldn't it? (y)

[The King's Queen]

Anyway, he wouldn?t have to explain anything about his private life and I don?t think that many of those who have written books on him would have done it if he was alive and could defend himself.

That's true Donut, they wouldn't have done it I'm sure...at least not a lot of it anyway. But now, after the fact, if there were something found of his that completely cut against the grain of the other stuff that has already been said by the others...how would you feel then? Just curious...:)

[Vissie]

Yes Vissie, it would have cleared the air on a lot of these debates, wouldn't it? (y)

Absolutely ;) And imagine how interesting it would be! I'd love for the journal to be entirely candid. Like a very private diary that he shared his most intimate thoughts in. And then, graciously, he goes... "here, this is a gift to my many fans.. to the people who loved me".

[Vissie]

If there were something found of his that completely cut against the grain of the other stuff that has already been said by the others...how would you feel then? Just curious...:)

Queenie, give us an example, ok? Like what is something we tend to believe that might not be true at all? (This is a great thread!) (y)

[Donut]

That's true Donut, they wouldn't have done it I'm sure...at least not a lot of it anyway. But now, after the fact, if there were something found of his that completely cut against the grain of the other stuff that has already been said by the others...how would you feel then? Just curious...:)

I would change my mind of course.

[The King's Queen]

Queenie, give us an example, ok? Like what is something we tend to believe that might not be true at all? (This is a great thread!) (y)

:hmm: Let's see... Well, it could be any number of things. His marriage...perhaps? The self-proclaimed title of "Elvis' Best Friend"...that Joe still touts to this day. It could be anything...ANYTHING...that is debatable among Elvis fans. :)

[The King's Queen]

I would change my mind of course.


Thanks for your reply Donut. Just curious. :P

[Vissie]

:hmm: Let's see... Well, it could be any number of things. His marriage...perhaps? The self-proclaimed title of "Elvis' Best Friend"...that Joe still touts to this day. It could be anything...ANYTHING...that is debatable among Elvis fans. :)

I have to admit, I really don't know anything about his marriage. On this particular subject, I've only read "Elvis & Me" so far (although I hope to persue other books). Do you feel he wasn't happy?

I also don't know much about his friends or entourage at this point. I did see that show that Joe did, but other than that, I don't know much about him. Do you feel he wasn't Elvis' best friend? Who would you say was closest to him?

[marijaep]

You know...It would have been nice if they find a journal or something like that and I know that that would end all of the debates and finally we will know A PART of the truth.

But...I kind of don't want that to be published (if they ever find something like that), because I think Elvis was enough public....poor guy he didn't have a private life. Now, imagine publishing that thing(of course it depends what it contains) we will know MANY personal stuff...and I think I would feel guilty reading that, it would be just so wrong :'(

Yes, i know that we would finally know the truth but I think that everyone should make a picture of Elvis (The Man, The Entertainer and his life) and just stay behind it...I hope i am clear. That's just my opinion :D

Hugs :hug:

Marija

[The King's Queen]

I have to admit, I really don't know anything about his marriage. On this particular subject, I've only read "Elvis & Me" so far (although I hope to persue other books). Do you feel he wasn't happy?

I also don't know much about his friends or entourage at this point. I did see that show that Joe did, but other than that, I don't know much about him. Do you feel he wasn't Elvis' best friend? Who would you say was closest to him?


Wow...such deep questions this early in the morning...:lmfao:

I don't believe he was happy in his marriage. I know that he continually made comments about his marriage that would lead one to think that it was such. I once read that when asked about how he was looking really good, his reply was "That is what a bad marriage does for you". And it was commonly reported among the MM that he had made many statements about how he wished she would just leave, and such as that. (But of course, one must decide if they actually believe the MM or not...:hmm:) It took Elvis a really long time to decide to get married. When Jerry Schilling married his first wife Sandy, Elvis contracted the wedding rings for he and Pris. But it was months later and he had not come to pick them up. When his jeweler asked him about this, he replied "I'm just not sure yet. I'm trying to decide if I want to do this or not"....so there were many doubts before hand I think. But hey...this is a matter of personal opinion as many will point out, I'm sure...:doh:

Joe...:doh:(n) I think Joe and Elvis were tight at one time. But not always, as he claims. I don't really know who I would say was the "closest" to Elvis near the end. But I do know that Charlie Hodge remained loyal and faithful to Elvis till the end. Elvis thought a great deal of Charlie too. So, if I had to pick one from the original entourage, it would be Charlie I'd say. But again...pure speculation on my part...:)

[Vissie]

You know...It would have been nice if they find a journal or something like that and I know that that would end all of the debates and finally we will know A PART of the truth.

But...I kind of don't want that to be published (if they ever find something like that), because I think Elvis was enough public....poor guy he didn't have a private life. Now, imagine publishing that thing(of course it depends what it contains) we will know MANY personal stuff...and I think I would feel guilty reading that, it would be just so wrong :'(

Yes, i know that we would finally know the truth but I think that everyone should make a picture of Elvis (The Man, The Entertainer and his life) and just stay behind it...I hope i am clear. That's just my opinion :D

Hugs :hug:

Marija

But this is purely fantasy Marija ;) And, as I said above, Elvis would graciously turn it over to his fans to read :D (heck, it *is* a fantasy!)

[marijaep]

But this is purely fantasy Marija ;) And, as I said above, Elvis would graciously turn it over to his fans to read :D (heck, it *is* a fantasy!)

I know it's a fantasy Vissie :D.
But imagine if Elvis wasn't writing it for the fans....but only making notes????

:hug:

Marija

[The King's Queen]

Yes, i know that we would finally know the truth but I think that everyone should make a picture of Elvis (The Man, The Entertainer and his life) and just stay behind it...I hope i am clear. That's just my opinion :D

Hugs :hug:

Marija

Hi Marija! :P Well, honey, that is what we do now...we pick a side of the fence, and jump off onto it. Of course, some straddle the fence from time to time, but for the most part, everyone usually has a preconceived notion 'about all things Elvis'.....:hug:

[ksimms2]

Wow...such deep questions this early in the morning...:lmfao:

I don't believe he was happy in his marriage. I know that he continually made comments about his marriage that would lead one to think that it was such. I once read that when asked about how he was looking really good, his reply was "That is what a bad marriage does for you". And it was commonly reported among the MM that he had made many statements about how he wished she would just leave, and such as that. (But of course, one must decide if they actually believe the MM or not...:hmm:) It took Elvis a really long time to decide to get married. When Jerry Schilling married his first wife Sandy, Elvis contracted the wedding rings for he and Pris. But it was months later and he had not come to pick them up. When his jeweler asked him about this, he replied "I'm just not sure yet. I'm trying to decide if I want to do this or not"....so there were many doubts before hand I think. But hey...this is a matter of personal opinion as many will point out, I'm sure...:doh:

Joe...:doh:(n) I think Joe and Elvis were tight at one time. But not always, as he claims. I don't really know who I would say was the "closest" to Elvis near the end. But I do know that Charlie Hodge remained loyal and faithful to Elvis till the end. Elvis thought a great deal of Charlie too. So, if I had to pick one from the original entourage, it would be Charlie I'd say. But again...pure speculation on my part...:)

Lea, I total agree with you on Charlie. I think he was Elvis' one true friend.....I also think Jerry Schilling was too....but he wasn't there alot toward the end because he was pursuing his own career...that's one of the reasons I like Jerry - he didn't want to be another "hanger on" like the other MM.....I don't particularly like Joe Esposito...don't have a particular reason for it....just something about him.....maybe his living off Elvis even still today.....

[The King's Queen]

I think that very thing is what is such a turn-off to so many Kelly. I sure don't like it...but to each his own. :P Charlie was a good man. A kind hearted man. And he cared for Elvis very much. (y)

[Vissie]

Wow...such deep questions this early in the morning...:lmfao:

I don't believe he was happy in his marriage. I know that he continually made comments about his marriage that would lead one to think that it was such. I once read that when asked about how he was looking really good, his reply was "That is what a bad marriage does for you". And it was commonly reported among the MM that he had made many statements about how he wished she would just leave, and such as that. (But of course, one must decide if they actually believe the MM or not...:hmm:) It took Elvis a really long time to decide to get married. When Jerry Schilling married his first wife Sandy, Elvis contracted the wedding rings for he and Pris. But it was months later and he had not come to pick them up. When his jeweler asked him about this, he replied "I'm just not sure yet. I'm trying to decide if I want to do this or not"....so there were many doubts before hand I think. But hey...this is a matter of personal opinion as many will point out, I'm sure...:doh:

Joe...:doh:(n) I think Joe and Elvis were tight at one time. But not always, as he claims. I don't really know who I would say was the "closest" to Elvis near the end. But I do know that Charlie Hodge remained loyal and faithful to Elvis till the end. Elvis thought a great deal of Charlie too. So, if I had to pick one from the original entourage, it would be Charlie I'd say. But again...pure speculation on my part...:)

Just for the sake of conversation, why do you think he wanted her to leave? Or do you think he may have said something like that out of frustration? I heard that he tried to control her and other females in his life by putting them on a tight leash. Do you think he might have just been upset that she wasn't behaving the way he thought she should? Because didn't he continuously go out to CA and ask her to come back to him?

I've read good things about Charlie. It's nice to hear he was loyal to Elvis ;)

[Vissie]

I know it's a fantasy Vissie :D.
But imagine if Elvis wasn't writing it for the fans....but only making notes????

:hug:

Marija

Then he wouldn't turn it over to the fans(?) What I'm saying is he gives his fans permission to step into his intimate thoughts. I'm talking about a fully authorized, endorsed journal or daily diary. Not something that someone finds and decides to publish.

[The King's Queen]

Just for the sake of conversation, why do you think he wanted her to leave? Or do you think he may have said something like that out of frustration? I heard that he tried to control her and other females in his life by putting them on a tight leash. Do you think he might have just been upset that she wasn't behaving the way he thought she should? Because didn't he continuously go out to CA and ask her to come back to him?

I've read good things about Charlie. It's nice to hear he was loyal to Elvis ;)

:doh: Oh the agony!! lol...:lmfao: We are, even as we speak, opening this thread up for a lot of criticism...:doh:

Perhaps some of it was frustration. I don't presume to know everything about that. But I do NOT believe that he was constantly begging her back. Elvis was a person that liked to feel within his own element, if you will. He did'nt exactly embrace change...at least not in all area's. I think that Elvis was mostly upset, or so I've read, because she left him for Mike Stone. It was that fact that gaulled him. He was at a crossroads in his life...and I think that he wasn't really sure what he wanted most of the time. But Elvis seemed to want to revert back to a time in his life when he was in charge...the Pris years, I think, held that notion for him...and not necessarily for 'her' per say. Just my opinion...nothing more. :doh: :lmfao:

[marijaep]

Then he wouldn't turn it over to the fans(?) What I'm saying is he gives his fans permission to step into his intimate thoughts. I'm talking about a fully authorized, endorsed journal or daily diary. Not something that someone finds and decides to publish.

We misunderstood each other Vissie ;)
All clear now :D

[Vissie]

:doh: Oh the agony!! lol...:lmfao: We are, even as we speak, opening this thread up for a lot of criticism...:doh:

Perhaps some of it was frustration. I don't presume to know everything about that. But I do NOT believe that he was constantly begging her back. Elvis was a person that liked to feel within his own element, if you will. He did'nt exactly embrace change...at least not in all area's. I think that Elvis was mostly upset, or so I've read, because she left him for Mike Stone. It was that fact that gaulled him. He was at a crossroads in his life...and I think that he wasn't really sure what he wanted most of the time. But Elvis seemed to want to revert back to a time in his life when he was in charge...the Pris years, I think, held that notion for him...and not necessarily for 'her' per say. Just my opinion...nothing more. :doh: :lmfao:

Let me preface that my next comment is coming from the limited knowledge I have regarding his marriage (at this point).

I think Priscilla had a very good understanding about Elvis. And I'm talking about as far back as when they were both in Germany. She knew who he was and saw the excitement he generated throughout the population. Once she started visiting him in his German house, she was front-and-center and witnessed it for real. She came to learn how vulnerable he was. How lonely he could be. How sad he was and how lost he felt at times. She knew this in her heart.

I feel that she wanted him to marry her. She wanted to be the girl that Elvis chose. Her over millions of others. Imagine how that must've felt? We know from our own human nature that we want what others crave. He was Elvis. And, he was in love with her.

She comes to learn what he expects. He is clear about it. She agrees to change her looks to please him. She molds herself around him and secures her MRS title. Life is wonderful.

However, after some time, she realizes she isn't as accepting of his lifestyle as she was pre-MRS. He hasn't really changed. He is what he always was. But for her, she wants things to be different. She wants him to be different. She believes you can marry a cougar and change him into a kitten. However, she doesn't understand and realize he is stronger than she is. He isn't about to change.

She accepted him on the terms he gave her. She knew what she was getting into (imo). She gives birth to LM and Elvis embraces fatherhood the best way he knew how.

Now, I know this might upset some, but I disapprove of Priscilla reaching out to other men for comfort and compassion. It was wrong. If she was truly tired of her relationship with Elvis then she should have gone to him and asked for a divorce before cavorting. Then, I would feel that she did nothing wrong. I don't hold Elvis to the same criteria because he was what he was. He was a deceptive cad at times but .. that behavior was already on the table. It wasn't anything new. If Priscilla thought marriage was going to make him monogamous then she didn't really know him as a man. Again, he was what he was. He was a sex symbol to millions of women. He lived it. Does that make it right? Not really. But it was something that was already known about him.

I think Priscilla hurt Elvis badly. She knew his dark loneliness. She knew how hollow he felt at times and she exploited that by straying from him. Imo, she should have faced him, told him the truth and then moved on with her own life. Instead, she broke him. And I find that to be incredibly sad.

[Donut]

I know this don?t belong to this thread but now that you are talking about it I have 2 questions that just came to my mind.
Wasn?t Elvis still dating Anita Wood when Priscilla?s parents let her went to visit him in the USA for the first time?
And wasn?t the relationship between Elvis and Anita known by the press and talked about by that time?
Anyone knows?

[The King's Queen]

Let me preface that my next comment is coming from the limited knowledge I have regarding his marriage (at this point).

I think Priscilla had a very good understanding about Elvis. And I'm talking about as far back as when they were both in Germany. She knew who he was and saw the excitement he generated throughout the population. Once she started visiting him in his German house, she was front-and-center and witnessed it for real. She came to learn how vulnerable he was. How lonely he could be. How sad he was and how lost he felt at times. She knew this in her heart.

I feel that she wanted him to marry her. She wanted to be the girl that Elvis chose. Her over millions of others. Imagine how that must've felt? We know from our own human nature that we want what others crave. He was Elvis. And, he was in love with her.

She comes to learn what he expects. He is clear about it. She agrees to change her looks to please him. She molds herself around him and secures her MRS title. Life is wonderful.

However, after some time, she realizes she isn't as accepting of his lifestyle as she was pre-MRS. He hasn't really changed. He is what he always was. But for her, she wants things to be different. She wants him to be different. She believes you can marry a cougar and change him into a kitten. However, she doesn't understand and realize he is stronger than she is. He isn't about to change.

She accepted him on the terms he gave her. She knew what she was getting into (imo). She gives birth to LM and Elvis embraces fatherhood the best way he knew how.

Now, I know this might upset some, but I disapprove of Priscilla reaching out to other men for comfort and compassion. It was wrong. If she was truly tired of her relationship with Elvis then she should have gone to him and asked for a divorce before cavorting. Then, I would feel that she did nothing wrong. I don't hold Elvis to the same criteria because he was what he was. He was a deceptive cad at times but .. that behavior was already on the table. It wasn't anything new. If Priscilla thought marriage was going to make him monogamous then she didn't really know him as a man. Again, he was what he was. He was a sex symbol to millions of women. He lived it. Does that make it right? Not really. But it was something that was already known about him.

I think Priscilla hurt Elvis badly. She knew his dark loneliness. She knew how hollow he felt at times and she exploited that by straying from him. Imo, she should have faced him, told him the truth and then moved on with her own life. Instead, she broke him. And I find that to be incredibly sad.

Vissie...I agree 100% with you, except for the statement "she broke him". I think that his life, in general, was to blame for breaking Elvis...she just contributed her part. :blink: But you are right, IMO, in your perception of the situation. She knew BEFORE marriage what he was, what he expected, and how he lived his life. She waded into it, and then when she grew tired of it and had some 'insurance' (Lisa), she jumped out. And she did so in a most hurtful and embarassing way...:mad: After which, she publicly made comments about the differences between Elvis and Mike...which IMO, was like comparing night to day! :doh: But anyway...

My grandmother had a little saying that seems to fit a lot of marriages: "A woman goes into a marriage thinking she can change her man...A man goes into a marriage hoping his woman will stay the same". Sadlly, neither ever happens...:blink: :)

[presley31]

So what your saying its ok for elvis to cheat on priscilla, but if priscilla does she nothing but trash, well l beg to differ on that one.

[presley31]

to be quite honest queenie if l was priscilla l would of left along time ago instead of being alone all the time.

[Vissie]

I know this don?t belong to this thread but now that you are talking about it I have 2 questions that just came to my mind.
Wasn?t Elvis still dating Anita Wood when Priscilla?s parents let her went to visit him in the USA for the first time?
And wasn?t the relationship between Elvis and Anita known by the press and talked about by that time?
Anyone knows?

Priscilla knew about Elvis' relationship with Anita and other girls (she found evidence in his room for starters) and she was asked about his other girls during a press conference in Germany. Anita wasn't the only girl he was seeing after he returned to the states (if I'm not mistaken).

[presley31]

Elvid had alot of girls on the go, and anita did know about priscilla when she found the letters.

[Vissie]

Vissie...I agree 100% with you, except for the statement "she broke him". I think that his life, in general, was to blame for breaking Elvis...she just contributed her part. :blink: But you are right, IMO, in your perception of the situation. She knew BEFORE marriage what he was, what he expected, and how he lived his life. She waded into it, and then when she grew tired of it and had some 'insurance' (Lisa), she jumped out. And she did so in a most hurtful and embarassing way...:mad: After which, she publicly made comments about the differences between Elvis and Mike...which IMO, was like comparing night to day! :doh: But anyway...

My grandmother had a little saying that seems to fit a lot of marriages: "A woman goes into a marriage thinking she can change her man...A man goes into a marriage hoping his woman will stay the same". Sadlly, neither ever happens...:blink: :)

Just in my own opinion, I think she broke him.. especially in terms of trust. He had confided his inner most fears to her, she knew what his sensitive areas were. It was like, you know what I am.. do you accept me and agree to love me? She had a change of heart and hurt him deeply (again, imo).

[The King's Queen]

to be quite honest queenie if l was priscilla l would of left along time ago instead of being alone all the time.

Well Jen, if that is how you feel about it, then I respect that. But ask yourself this question: If you knew this BEFORE you married him, having been left behind on many occasions while he was filming, ect., would you have EVEN married him to begin with? :hmm:

[presley31]

l disgree, but like queenie knows this is one thing l will disagree about and not find the same thoughts as yous but however l do respect your opinions,

[marijaep]

to be quite honest queenie if l was priscilla l would of left along time ago instead of being alone all the time.
I agree (y)

Well Jen, if that is how you feel about it, then I respect that. But ask yourself this question: If you knew this BEFORE you married him, having been left behind on many occasions while he was filming, ect., would you have EVEN married him to begin with? :hmm:

She was young and in love. Love is blind...

[presley31]

Well Jen, if that is how you feel about it, then I respect that. But ask yourself this question: If you knew this BEFORE you married him, having been left behind on many occasions while he was filming, ect., would you have EVEN married him to begin with? :hmm:

Once elvis cheated and made me look like a fool, thats me bags back and outer there.

[The King's Queen]

Once elvis cheated and made me look like a fool, thats me bags back and outer there.


Right Jen! Most of us would not have signed on for a marriage after experiencing it before the fact. (y)

[Diane]

I totally agree with your statement Vissie that Priscilla should have gone to Elvis and asked for a divorce if she was unhappy with him before she went out with other men. The fact that she did so behind his back tells me that she wasn't the "innocent" she's always claimed to be and that is one of the reasons I tend to believe a lot of things that were said about her in Child Bride.

I believe part of it was revenge because he was unfaithful to her but that still shows a side to her personality that she's always tried to suppress. And yes, I believe it was part of what "broke him" as something like that wasn't supposed to happen in his mind and the way he was brought up to believe in double-standards. I think it really threw him and shattered his faith in women.

Diane

[Vissie]

Priscilla knew what his lifestyle was like (and all that it included). His cards were on the table. He didn't present her with a hidden agenda (at the time).

Now, let's say the drug use was carefully kept secret from her. She eventually learns about it and in her heart, she feels she cannot stand by and watch him slowly succumb to the ravaging effects the pills provide.

It was her decision to leave him. It was her life that was being compromised by living with him and his demons. However, the fault comes by her not telling him first. She owed him that much. Elvis, I love you but I can no longer live like this. She could have moved on with her life and left him to handle his own. You don't marry someone and then seek comfort and sex from another man. She knew how jealous he was and when she couldn't get his attention, she decided to indulge her own needs. That's fine, but tell him first.

I'm not saying he was an Angel. What I *am* saying is that his life was there for her to evaluate and accept.. before she married him.

[presley31]

l know from experince how loney woman can get with there man out on the road for months and weeks. I used to listern to my mom cry all the time while my dad was trucking and sleeping around but l mom stayed for 30 years trying to make it work, which it didn't, but thsi is the reason why l can't agree with any of yous on this matter.

[Donut]

My opinion considering all this and many other things already known is theirs was a marriage for convenience. He thought she was a silly little girl that would be always waiting for him at home no matter what and she pursued the Mrs Presley title even though she had put on with everything Elvis wanted.
If not I can?t understand how she waited so little time to cheat on him after they married. I think she knew it was safer to do it after the marriage because Elvis would have kicked her *** in a second and find the perfect excuse for it if she had done it before.

[marijaep]

I totally agree with your statement Vissie that Priscilla should have gone to Elvis and asked for a divorce if she was unhappy with him before she went out with other men. The fact that she did so behind his back tells me that she wasn't the "innocent" she's always claimed to be and that is one of the reasons I tend to believe a lot of things that were said about her in Child Bride.

I believe part of it was revenge because he was unfaithful to her but that still shows a side to her personality that she's always tried to suppress. And yes, I believe it was part of what "broke him" as something like that wasn't supposed to happen in his mind and the way he was brought up to believe in double-standards. I think it really threw him and shattered his faith in women.

Diane

I love Elvis but.....

He was NOT fair at all...and obviously not a good husband. He was never supposed to be married, i think.
Priscilla was just a little girl when they started dating and she was still very young when they got married too.
I think he stayed faithful for a while, but then he started cheating on her again.
She felt that and started cheating too, not like a revenge, but her needs weren't satisfied...imagine living and knowing that your husband is cheating all the time and he is hardly ever home with you??! :blink:
I am not defending her...I just, try to put myself in her place.
When she left him....he sure was hurt.
He felt even more hurt when he realized that it's his mistake :'(
I think he loved her...

but I like them together...they had some happy times too :clap:


Marija

[presley31]

I love Elvis but.....

He was NOT fair at all...and obviously not a good husband. He was never supposed to be married, i think.
Priscilla was just a little girl when they started dating and she was still very young when they got married too.
I think he stayed faithful for a while, but then he started cheating on her again.
She felt that and started cheating too, not like a revenge, but her needs weren't satisfied...imagine living and knowing that your husband is cheating all the time and he is hardly ever home with you??! :blink:
I am not defending her...I just, try to put myself in her place.
When she left him....he sure was hurt.
He felt even more hurt when he realized that it's his mistake :'(
I think he loved her...

but I like them together...they had some happy times too :clap:


Marija

Thank you marija, that was very well put (y)(y)

[The King's Queen]

My opinion considering all this and many other things already known is theirs was a marriage for convenience. He thought she was a silly little girl that would be always waiting for him at home no matter what and she pursued the Mrs Presley title even though she had put on with everything Elvis wanted.
If not I can?t understand how she waited so little time to cheat on him after they married. I think she knew it was safer to do it after the marriage because Elvis would have kicked her *** in a second and find the perfect excuse for it if she had done it before.

(y) I agree Donut...makes perfect sense to me! (y)

[Vissie]

l know from experince how loney woman can get with there man out on the road for months and weeks. I used to listern to my mom cry all the time while my dad was trucking and sleeping around but l mom stayed for 30 years trying to make it work, which it didn't, but thsi is the reason why l can't agree with any of yous on this matter.

Presley, do you feel you could be transferring your feelings of anger against your father to Elvis? It would be understandable.

However, in my mind, Elvis' situation was unique. He wasn't hiding his infidelity. She knew about it.

It would be like saying: Here is a puppy for you to buy. He comes with a leash, food bowl and blanket. He is brown. He is furry.

You buy the puppy and then realize.. he's brown. You thought you liked brown dogs but after thinking about it, you decide you don't. You go to return the puppy.

The owner says.. why are you returning the puppy? You go "because he's brown".

The owner looks at you and goes... but you already knew that. ;)

There is a well-known fable that goes like this....

A young girl was trudging along a mountain path, trying to reach her grandmother's house. It was bitter cold, and the wind cut like a knife. When she was within sight of her destination, she heard a rustle at her feet.

Looking down, she saw a snake. Before she could move, the snake spoke to her. He said, "I am about to die. It is too cold for me up here, and I am freezing. There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving. Please put me under your coat and take me with you."

"No," replied the girl. "I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake. If I pick you up, you will bite me, and your bite is poisonous."

"No, no," said the snake. "If you help me, you will be my best friend. I will treat you differently."

The little girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over. She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and had to admit that it was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen.

Suddenly, she said, "I believe you. I will save you. All living things deserve to be treated with kindness."

The little girl reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and proceeded toward her grandmother's house.

Within a moment, she felt a sharp pain in her side. The snake had bitten her.

"How could you do this to me?" she cried. "You promised that you would not bite me, and I trusted you!"

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," hissed the snake as he slithered away.

[presley31]

elvis l do love with all my heart but he was far from perfect when it came to relationships. I turly believe what comes around goes around.

[marijaep]

Thank you marija, that was very well put (y)(y)

;) Jen, i guess we agree when it comes to this :clap:

[The King's Queen]

And that could account for Pris' life today too. :blink:

[presley31]

Presley, do you feel you could be transferring your feelings of anger against your father to Elvis? It would be understandable.

However, in my mind, Elvis' situation was unique. He wasn't hiding his infidelity. She knew about it.

It would be like saying: Here is a puppy for you to buy. He comes with a leash, food bowl and blanket. He is brown. He is furry.

You buy the puppy and then realize.. he's brown. You thought you liked brown dogs but after thinking about it, you decide you don't. You go to return the puppy.

The owner says.. why are you returning the puppy? You go "because he's brown".

The owner looks at you and goes... but you already knew that. ;)

There is a well-known fable that goes like this....

A young girl was trudging along a mountain path, trying to reach her grandmother's house. It was bitter cold, and the wind cut like a knife. When she was within sight of her destination, she heard a rustle at her feet.

Looking down, she saw a snake. Before she could move, the snake spoke to her. He said, "I am about to die. It is too cold for me up here, and I am freezing. There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving. Please put me under your coat and take me with you."

"No," replied the girl. "I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake. If I pick you up, you will bite me, and your bite is poisonous."

"No, no," said the snake. "If you help me, you will be my best friend. I will treat you differently."

The little girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over. She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and had to admit that it was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen.

Suddenly, she said, "I believe you. I will save you. All living things deserve to be treated with kindness."

The little girl reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and proceeded toward her grandmother's house.

Within a moment, she felt a sharp pain in her side. The snake had bitten her.

"How could you do this to me?" she cried. "You promised that you would not bite me, and I trusted you!"

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," hissed the snake as he slithered away.

no l not taking my anger on out on elvis, l just know about cheating. My mom knew to and still took my dad back, its called love and you be surprised what you would do to be with the one you love, but l am different and l wouldn't put up with the cheating. Elvis kept telling priscilla that it was in her head and you also have to consider the mm tryed to slipt them up so they could do what they plaesed without having to worry priscilal and the wives dropping in whenever.

[Diane]

I agree with you Donut except for the fact that she waited until after they were married. I honestly can't see her waiting around all those years at Graceland while he was away filming movies etc. I've often wondered whether she just wasn't found out. Could be wrong, just speculating......

Diane

[presley31]

;) Jen, i guess we agree when it comes to this :clap:

your a brave girl marija, priscillas thread can be so rough sometimes:hug:,

[Donut]

(y) I agree Donut...makes perfect sense to me! (y)

Thank you King?s queen. The proof is she haven?t get rid of the title in 30 years. Not in a hundred years would I carry the name of a man that has cheated on me publicly for all these years and treated me in the way she says if for anything for my own dignity. But she chooses to do it for other reasons $$$$, that?s pretty disgusting.

[The King's Queen]

You know what girls? All of this opinionated stuff is just that opinionated. We will never have the full truth, because we only have one side of the story. And as we all know, there are two sides to every story. We have each picked a side of the fence and jumped onto it. That doesn't make us enemies...it just makes us different. I respect each of you for the way you believe it to be. (y)

Hugs to all....:hug:

[Diane]

:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

Diane

[presley31]

back at ya Diane and queeie, you better get a hose and cool me down lol

[The King's Queen]

back at ya Diane and queeie, you better get a hose and cool me down lol

Just chill out Jen...:cold: :lmfao: :lmfao: It really is a matter of opinion. And the key to being friends is being able to accept a difference of opinion without letting it ruin the friendship! :clap: :hug:

[presley31]

you would feel different if you were a priscilla fan.

[The King's Queen]

you would feel different if you were a priscilla fan.

Perhaps...but I mean no disrepect to you.

[Vissie]

you would feel different if you were a priscilla fan.

As it doesn't directly involve our own lives, you really shouldn't take these things to heart. We were not privy to their lives and why they made the choices they did.

I respect and admire Elvis the man, with all his short-comings. He loved Priscilla and I respect his decision to bring her into his life.

[presley31]

l know what your saying but you guys will never see in my eyes to know what l'am talking about, and what l believe in so much, but thats the downfall of being priscila's fan.

[marijaep]

your a brave girl marija, priscillas thread can be so rough sometimes:hug:,

:hug:


You know what girls? All of this opinionated stuff is just that opinionated. We will never have the full truth, because we only have one side of the story. And as we all know, there are two sides to every story. We have each picked a side of the fence and jumped onto it. That doesn't make us enemies...it just makes us different. I respect each of you for the way you believe it to be. (y)

Hugs to all....:hug:

Glad it finished like this :hug::hug::hug:

[Diane]

If I were a Priscilla fan, I would step in and defend her just as you have Jen and I respect your feelings about that. I don't see you as a Priscilla fan, I see you as my friend Jen who has a right to her own feelings and I'm glad you've found others who support you in those feelings....wish I could too, but my heart and mind feel otherwise and I have to go with that as you do in your beliefs.:hug:

Diane

[Vissie]

l know what your saying but you guys will never see in my eyes to know what l'am talking about, and what l believe in so much, but thats the downfall of being priscila's fan.

I'm not saying I'm a fan or not a fan. I respect Elvis and his decision to make her his wife. I would never put myself in a position to tell him he was wrong. He was an adult with the ability to make up his own mind. He followed his heart.

[marijaep]

If I were a Priscilla fan, I would step in and defend her just as you have Jen and I respect your feelings about that. I don't see you as a Priscilla fan, I see you as my friend Jen who has a right to her own feelings and I'm glad you've found others who support you in those feelings....wish I could too, but my heart and mind feel otherwise and I have to go with that as you do in your beliefs.:hug:

Diane



I agree with Jen about Priscilla.
Diane, it's all personal opinions...it's just a choice. To believe or not to.
It's totally understandable that you think otherwise when it comes to Priscilla.
And as Lea said :
That doesn't make us enemies...we are all friends :hug:

[presley31]

agree Diane and Marija, we may all have different opinions, but at the end of the day we all still leave as friends and thats more inportant than bricking and or agreeing and disagreeing.

[Diane]

Yes I know you feel the same as Jen about Priscilla Marija and the same as I said to Jen goes for you too. I don't care if we agree or not, you are nice people and that's all that matters to me.:hug:

Diane

[Burning_Love]

Yes And No, somethings he has gota lie about because he could get in trouble maybe for some of the stuff he did, but would belive him because it's straight from his mouth, nobody else's.

[Merry]

So what your saying its ok for elvis to cheat on priscilla, but if priscilla does she nothing but trash, well l beg to differ on that one.


Hey Sweetie,

You know, I'm not making excuses, but as I am a bit older, and have lived in the years of the older generations, (although wasn't their age, hehe,) I understand a bit of how things were thought of then, what was not right, but how the thinking was.

Double standard, especially in that industry, was the norm (again, not right, and yes, I wouldn't have chosen it, because money and a man, means nothing to me, just the man). You see, Cilla knew the deal, she knew the package, she made her choices, honey.

Yes, for the men, and I know from men who are honest with me, double standard was (is) somewhat accepted, as I said, in that industry, and in some people's lives. A man, if a beautiful woman throws herself at him, he will be tempted, or go for it.

It is up to the woman to make her choices. That is why we are raised as we are, the men, as they are. Even now, you know, I wonder about my son, in the horse industry, so many pretty girls, gorgeous girls, and few boys. I have mentioned this to the men around me, (although my son is still too young, although he turned thirteen today) the men say "yeah, good on him!". (With a secretative grin).

In my opinion, a lot does stem back to the woman's upbringing. (Who are human, too (y) :wiggle:) but we are supposed to be stronger! lol (if you get my drift).

Just my opinion, my experience of people around me, my lovely friend. Hope you don't mind.

In essence, Cilla knew the deal, made her choices, planned it.

:hug:

Kimmi

[presley31]

l still disgaree kim sorry but this is one topic l will never agree with or change my mind.

[marijaep]

Hey Sweetie,

You know, I'm not making excuses, but as I am a bit older, and have lived in the years of the older generations, (although wasn't their age, hehe,) I understand a bit of how things were thought of then, what was not right, but how the thinking was.

Double standard, especially in that industry, was the norm (again, not right, and yes, I wouldn't have chosen it, because money and a man, means nothing to me, just the man). You see, Cilla knew the deal, she knew the package, she made her choices, honey.

Yes, for the men, and I know from men who are honest with me, double standard was (is) somewhat accepted, as I said, in that industry, and in some people's lives. A man, if a beautiful woman throws herself at him, he will be tempted, or go for it.

It is up to the woman to make her choices. That is why we are raised as we are, the men, as they are. Even now, you know, I wonder about my son, in the horse industry, so many pretty girls, gorgeous girls, and few boys. I have mentioned this to the men around me, (although my son is still too young, although he turned thirteen today) the men say "yeah, good on him!". (With a secretative grin).

In my opinion, a lot does stem back to the woman's upbringing. (Who are human, too (y) :wiggle:) but we are supposed to be stronger! lol (if you get my drift).

Just my opinion, my experience of people around me, my lovely friend. Hope you don't mind.

In essence, Cilla knew the deal, made her choices, planned it.

:hug:

Kimmi

Happy Birthday to your son Kimmi :D:clap::clap::clap:
I know what you say, totally understand...but don't agree lol
Once again: It's only personal opinions
:hug:
Marija

[presley31]

we will always be on our own marija when it comes to priscilla, thank godness we can all agree on elvis and things about him.. well some on it. lol

[marijaep]

we will always be on our own marija when it comes to priscilla, thank godness we can all agree on elvis and things about him.. well some on it. lol

lol yep...:blink::lol:
I think Jak is with us though....:D
Ahh..i love the forum and hate argues ;)---I stay away from them :P

[presley31]

me to marija, but l don't like to back down either when something needs to be said at the time.

[marijaep]

me to marija, but l don't like to back down either when something needs to be said at the time.

Yes, you are right there Jen (y):D
Sorry people....we were a bit off-topic :blush:

[Merry]

Happy Birthday to your son Kimmi :D:clap::clap::clap:
I know what you say, totally understand...but don't agree lol
Once again: It's only personal opinions
:hug:
Marija


Thanks my lovely friend :clap: (All counts, hehe).

Kimmi

[Merry]

we will always be on our own marija when it comes to priscilla, thank godness we can all agree on elvis and things about him.. well some on it. lol



What we all have in common, is that we care deeply.

Hugs,
Kimmi

[malc07]

I think that is a very good question,and have often wondered the same things myself.
but would have to say that if it had come directly from ELVIS..it would have to be the truth.and I would believe it.
malc07

[KPM]

It would enhance my understanding of his family, friends and events. But, even though it would be coming straight from him, it would still be only his perception. [B]No human is omniscient, not even Elvis.

Good point-I would say that about anyone who has ever written a book or given an interview on Elvis also.

[Awickedreigndrop]

I was just thinking, wouldn't it be funny if Elvis really did write a little something and they did find it but they won't let it out because the information from it will conflict with everyone else's stories?

[Vissie]

I was just thinking, wouldn't it be funny if Elvis really did write a little something and they did find it but they won't let it out because the information from it will conflict with everyone else's stories?

Heehee, that would be one very interesting book indeed! :lol:

[The King's Queen]

Heehee, that would be one very interesting book indeed! :lol:


And, no doubt, very conflicting as well....;)

[Vissie]

And, no doubt, very conflicting as well....;)

LoL! :lol: I can see it now!

[The King's Queen]

LoL! :lol: I can see it now!

Oooo la la...:lmfao: Talk about some discussions on the ol' forum...there would be some doosies then, wouldn't there??? :doh: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Vissie]

Oooo la la...:lmfao: Talk about some discussions on the ol' forum...there would be some doosies then, wouldn't there??? :doh: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Heehee.. I can see keyboards heating up for sure! :lol: (y)

After all is said and done.. it's all good!

[Diane]

As it is now it's like a seesaw with no one on one side of it. If Elvis were around to voice his opinions as to what was really going on, that seesaw just might throw the present riders off.:lol:

Diane

[The King's Queen]

As it is now it's like a seesaw with no one on one side of it. If Elvis were around to voice his opinions as to what was really going on, that seesaw just might throw the present riders off.:lol:

Diane

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:Diane...I would be laughing, rofl, when they hit the ground! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[presley31]

If elvis could write a book,, wow the things he would say would make the mm run for cover lol

[marijaep]

As it is now it's like a seesaw with no one on one side of it. If Elvis were around to voice his opinions as to what was really going on, that seesaw just might throw the present riders off.:lol:

Diane

Saying nothing lol..........:whistling
:peace: & :flowers: lol :lol:

[Diane]

Now, now Marija......I said "might". :lol:

Diane

[marijaep]

Now, now Marija......I said "might". :lol:

Diane

lol...yes, "might"...lol :lmfao:

[Awickedreigndrop]

If Elvis wrote an autobiography I don't think too many others would have written books. Especially if he was still alive.

[Merry]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:Diane...I would be laughing, rofl, when they hit the ground! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:



They would run, tucking their you know what's behind them :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[marijaep]

They would run, tucking their you know what's behind them :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Oh Kimmi!!............:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[SweetCaroline]

Let me add, if it was regarding something like did he really love burnt bacon.. or.. his personal feelings about someone (like could he really tolerate Joe or someone else who was in his life) then that is something different. I often wish he would've written an autobiography to help all of us better understand his life.

:king:
Me too, but he didn't really have time did he? He seemed to stay so busy on tour those last years. :king:

[Vissie]

:king:
Me too, but he didn't really have time did he? He seemed to stay so busy on tour those last years. :king:

I think he had the time. That might sound odd, but there is a lot of down time on movie sets. He could have dictated it into a microphone or told his stories through a co-writer/ghost writer. It's actually done all the time.

My feeling is that he might have eventually written an autobiography. The Col would have wanted to be highlighted as a power-house manager.. Elvis would have wanted people to know and love his Mother. He would've liked to tell his story his way.

He just didn't expect to die so young.

[presley31]

wish elvis wrote a book before he died cause there so much stuff going about him and he's not here to defend his name these books and the stuff thats being written.

[Vissie]

wish elvis wrote a book before he died cause there so much stuff going about him and he's not here to defend his name these books and the stuff thats being written.

Presley that's why people like Jennifer Lopez get legal rulings that prevent people like her first husband from writing tell-all books. It's a shame Elvis wasn't able to put the same type of stipulations in place. This type of legal muscle just wasn't as common back then.

Sep 5th 2007

A judge just awarded the singer/actor (Jennifer Lopez) nearly $545,000 in a breach-of-contract lawsuit she filed against her first husband, former restaurant manager Ojani Noa, back in April of 2006.

According to the suit, Noa had demanded $5 million from Lopez to keep him from selling a tell-all book about the star. In January of 2005, Noa allegedly sent a letter to Lopez's lawyer, indicating he intended to shop around a book proposal about his ex-wife. Lopez then says Noa wrote a letter saying he'd scrap the book if she paid him $5 million.

The judge also issued a permanent injunction against Noa, barring him from publishing "negative, denigrating and disparaging" details about La Lopez.

[malc07]

Old fashioned as I am.I dont think that its right for a man to be one of the boys if he strays,whilst a woman is branded a tart...surely it should be equality...or perhaps thats why my wife did it to me...
Elvis should never of married,he knew he could have any girl he pleased,but I believe,when you take the vows they are sacred..I have never cheated on any girlfriend in my life,and it hurts like hell when its done to you,believe me.
but I didnt feel the need to go for revenge and sleep around just coz she did.
Elvis and Priscilla were made for each other,and I believe he loved her dearly,but marraige and his lifestyle just didnt go together..