In your opinion, do you think Elvis...

[Vissie]

... was going to propose marriage to Ginger?

From what I've read so far, he did give her some sort of ring but hadn't actually proposed. Do you think he would've married her on Christmas Day, 1977 (that's what I've heard) ? :hmm:

[Getlo]

According to several sources (Klein, Hodge, Vernon, the jeweller who made the ring et al) Elvis did make a formal proposal to Ginger.

Charlie Hodge said he was there when it happened; as much as I doubt the story, there is no reason why he would have lied about it.

Other sources believe Elvis did no such thing. I'd suggest the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Elvis "talked of" marriage with Ginger, but probably never formally asked her.

And if the story of the Christmas Day wedding is true, I think Elvis would've been talked out of it like he was talked out of the "hit" on Mike Stone. In any case, I don't believe Ginger would have been around for long; Elvis would've soon realised she was way too young and that this aspect of his mid-life crisis was bordering on embarrassing.

Ginger is a nice girl and - like the MM - has come in for way too much unjustified criticism from "fans" over the years.

[The King's Queen]

Accurately said Getlo. (y)

Of all of the MM, I choose to put the most faith in what Charlie Hodge said. He seemed to be the most sincere, I think. I believe Elvis did propose to her, but whether or not the marriage would have happened is another thing. Who really knows what would have transpired?

I don't have a problem with Ginger. At least she has not reduced herself to having to continually draw upon her relationship with Elvis for her own personal financial gain. For that, she has my respect.

[Vissie]

According to several sources (Klein, Hodge, Vernon, the jeweller who made the ring et al) Elvis did make a formal proposal to Ginger.

Charlie Hodge said he was there when it happened; as much as I doubt the story, there is no reason why he would have lied about it.

Other sources believe Elvis did no such thing. I'd suggest the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Elvis "talked of" marriage with Ginger, but probably never formally asked her.

And if the story of the Christmas Day wedding is true, I think Elvis would've been talked out of it like he was talked out of the "hit" on Mike Stone. In any case, I don't believe Ginger would have been around for long; Elvis would've soon realised she was way too young and that this aspect of his mid-life crisis was bordering on embarrassing.

Ginger is a nice girl and - like the MM - has come in for way too much unjustified criticism from "fans" over the years.

Thanks for sharing that Getlo. From the little bit I've read, it seems their relationship was somewhat stormy(?) I hope to learn more about her as I continue to read more books.

I often wonder if Elvis really would've married anyone else after Cilla. I think the majority of his heart always belonged to her (jmo).

[Vissie]

Accurately said Getlo. (y)

Of all of the MM, I choose to put the most faith in what Charlie Hodge said. He seemed to be the most sincere, I think. I believe Elvis did propose to her, but whether or not the marriage would have happened is another thing. Who really knows what would have transpired?

I don't have a problem with Ginger. At least she has not reduced herself to having to continually draw upon her relationship with Elvis for her own personal financial gain. For that, she has my respect.

It's true.. you rarely hear or see Ginger ~

[Getlo]

At least she has not reduced herself to having to continually draw upon her relationship with Elvis for her own personal financial gain. For that, she has my respect.


Mine too.

She has led a very quiet, post-Elvis life (well into her fifties now!) and she always spoke highly of him in the few interviews she did.

[The King's Queen]

Mine too.

She has led a very quiet, post Elvis life (well into her fifties now!) and she always spoke highly of him in the few interviews she did.

Right Getlo...she has never said anything negative about Elvis. She seems to have loved him, as I am sure she did. I appreciate her loyalty to him. I'm sure she could have told some stories, some true and some fabricated, and who would have been the wiser? But she has maintained both her and Elvis' dignity. She is to be commended for that. Unlike others who have and still continue to live off of him. I have little respect for those people...they are "users" themselves.

[Burning_Love]

I, personally, think Elvis was ill and half the time didn't know what he was doing.
I don't like Ginger, i believe it is Linda who should have married Elvis. Ginger was young, very young, and naiive.

I do like the way she has kept her story to herself, much like Ann Margeret, but i am not a fan of hers.

[Vissie]

Unlike others who have and still continue to live off of him. I have little respect for those people...they are "users" themselves.

Like who Queenie? Can you share? I know there are people who wrote books about Elvis.. do you mean them?

[Vissie]

I, personally, think Elvis was ill and half the time didn't know what he was doing.
I don't like Ginger, i believe it is Linda who should have married Elvis. Ginger was young, very young, and naiive.

I do like the way she has kept her story to herself, much like Ann Margeret, but i am not a fan of hers.

I haven't read enough about either Linda or Ginger (just yet). Hopefully I'll be able to learn more about them soon.

[The King's Queen]

Like who Queenie? Can you share? I know there are people who wrote books about Elvis.. do you mean them?

Ahhh Vissie...this is opening up a can of worms, but I will answer you anyway...God help me...:blink: :lmfao:

Well, I feel that many have jumped at the chance to maintain a living off of his life and "supposed" memoirs from their time with him. I don't have a problem with someone putting out a book, if they try to do it tastefully, but some people have put out numerous things...just keeping the cash rolling in, and that is where I feel that they are using him. Many people fall into that category, and I think that it is obvious, without stating names, who they are.

Good thread, by the way!(y)

[The King's Queen]

I, personally, think Elvis was ill and half the time didn't know what he was doing.
I don't like Ginger, i believe it is Linda who should have married Elvis. Ginger was young, very young, and naiive.

I do like the way she has kept her story to herself, much like Ann Margeret, but i am not a fan of hers.

Danielle, I too think that Linda was really good for Elvis. I think that had he committed to her, he would have lasted longer.

Ginger was very young...a trophy I guess for Elvis. Not that he didn't care for her, because I'm sure he did, but the difference in their ages would have made a big difference in their relationship, had it lasted longer. And yes, she has tastefully resigned herself to privacy where Elvis is concerned, just like Ann has. (y)

[Vissie]

Ahhh Vissie...this is opening up a can of worms, but I will answer you anyway...God help me...:blink: :lmfao:

Well, I feel that many have jumped at the chance to maintain a living off of his life and "supposed" memoirs from their time with him. I don't have a problem with someone putting out a book, if they try to do it tastefully, but some people have put out numerous things...just keeping the cash rolling in, and that is where I feel that they are using him. Many people fall into that category, and I think that it is obvious, without stating names, who they are.

Good thread, by the way!(y)

Thanks for your reply Queenie, I truly appreciate it ;) I'm relatively new to the world of Elvis so I don't really know much about his history regarding relationships with those who were around him (at least, not at this point.. but I am learning little by little). By obvious, do you mean someone like Joe Esposito? Or maybe one of his cousins?

[Burning_Love]

Danielle, I too think that Linda was really good for Elvis. I think that had he committed to her, he would have lasted longer.

Ginger was very young...a trophy I guess for Elvis. Not that he didn't care for her, because I'm sure he did, but the difference in their ages would have made a big difference in their relationship, had it lasted longer. And yes, she has tastefully resigned herself to privacy where Elvis is concerned, just like Ann has. (y)

Ahh, yes, totally agree !!

(y):clap:(y):clap:

[Tony Trout]

Mine too.

She has led a very quiet, post-Elvis life (well into her fifties now!) and she always spoke highly of him in the few interviews she did.


Whoa..back up there, hoss. Ginger was only 20 when she began dating Elvis so that would not make her age today as being "well into her fifties". If I'm counting correctly she will (or already has) turned) 51.

And as far as Elvis "marrying" Ginger? If I'm not mistaken, she was on her way "out the door" right before the August 1977 tour that never took place for obvious reasons and I do not for one second believe that Elvis had any intention whatsoever of marrying her.

[The King's Queen]

Thanks for your reply Queenie, I truly appreciate it ;) I'm relatively new to the world of Elvis so I don't really know much about his history regarding relationships with those who were around him (at least, not at this point.. but I am learning little by little). By obvious, do you mean someone like Joe Esposito? Or maybe one of his cousins?

Well, yes, Joe for one. And as everyone on here probably knows by now, I'm not a big fan of Priscilla because of that very thing. :blink: But there were others too...not just those two.

And yes, you will learn more and more about him. But be careful, not everything that is written is true...:)

[Tony Trout]

Well, yes, Joe for one. And as everyone on here probably knows by now, I'm not a big fan of Priscilla because of that very thing. :blink: But there were others too...not just those two.

And yes, you will learn more and more about him. But be careful, not everything that is written is true...:)


That's true....but (from my own experience as a fan and talking to other fans) some people will argue things that have been proven to be factual because they think they're correct.

[Vissie]

Well, yes, Joe for one. And as everyone on here probably knows by now, I'm not a big fan of Priscilla because of that very thing. :blink: But there were others too...not just those two.

And yes, you will learn more and more about him. But be careful, not everything that is written is true...:)

I have to admit, I really don't know much about Priscilla at this point. Are some books better than others when it comes to reading about her?

I agree that not everything written is true and I carefully parcel out what I read. For medical issues I go to my family. For song and music publishing, I go to one of my best friends (a multiple Grammy winner) who was close friends with many of the people Elvis recorded with like J.D. Sumner and others.

[The King's Queen]

I have to admit, I really don't know much about Priscilla at this point. Are some books better than others when it comes to reading about her?

I agree that not everything written is true and I carefully parcel out what I read. For medical issues I go to my family. For song and music publishing, I go to one of my best friends (a multiple Grammy winner) who was close friends with many of the people Elvis recorded with like J.D. Summer and others.

To be really honest with you, I will have to say that people's opinions of the 'best books' to read, will vary (as Tony said earlier) by personal opinon of the person in question. I personally found "Child Bride" to be a realistic approach to Pris...but others would and will argue that point...:lmfao: I've read that book, as well as "Elvis and Me"...which I did not find to be a truthful approach in many ways. But there are books out there that offer a fair assesment of Elvis' life. You just have to take it all with a grain of salt, decipher and try to compare it with as many facts as you can dig up, and then make up your own mind. Not much help, but it's all that I can offer...:blush: If you haven't read any of Peter Guralnick's books, you may want to read them. I found them to be interesting.

[presley31]

you can't always believe what you read, but l can't say anything about priscilla cause unlike queenie l'am a fan, and have more faith in her than anything. As for ginger charlie wife said that elvis wasn't going to marry ginger he got caught up in the emotion at the time and trying to relive his past. Ginger had a boyfriend when she was with elvis, that doesn't sound like a woman in love with elvis.

[Vissie]

To be really honest with you, I will have to say that people's opinions of the 'best books' to read, will vary (as Tony said earlier) by personal opinon of the person in question. I personally found "Child Bride" to be a realistic approach to Pris...but others would and will argue that point...:lmfao: I've read that book, as well as "Elvis and Me"...which I did not find to be a truthful approach in many ways. But there are books out there that offer a fair assesment of Elvis' life. You just have to take it all with a grain of salt, decipher and try to compare it with as many facts as you can dig up, and then make up your own mind. Not much help, but it's all that I can offer...:blush: If you haven't read any of Peter Guralnick's books, you may want to read them. I found them to be interesting.

Guralnick's books are the first I read. Along with a big book about Graceland and Elvis & Me. (Plus I started that dreadful Death of Elvis tome). I did find the Elvis & Me book to be mostly a fluff piece so hopefully I'll find something a little more closer to the truth.

[Vissie]

you can't always believe what you read, but l can't say anything about priscilla cause unlike queenie l'am a fan, and have more faith in her than anything. As for ginger charlie wife said that elvis wasn't going to marry ginger he got caught up in the emotion at the time and trying to relive his past. Ginger had a boyfriend when she was with elvis, that doesn't sound like a woman in love with elvis.

Interesting you should say "trying to relive his past". I think Ginger looks incredibly like Cilla.

[presley31]

elvis and me are the cloest your get to the turth, but than again fans will argue about that book. child beide is to made up in my oponion.

[The King's Queen]

you can't always believe what you read, but l can't say anything about priscilla cause unlike queenie l'am a fan, and have more faith in her than anything. As for ginger charlie wife said that elvis wasn't going to marry ginger he got caught up in the emotion at the time and trying to relive his past. Ginger had a boyfriend when she was with elvis, that doesn't sound like a woman in love with elvis.

Now Jen...we were on a roll for a few days...we hadn't went into battle, and now look what you've done! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: j/k. You see, there is so much "out there" that one has to really think it through, otherwise, they can be called biased in one way or another. I am not a 'fan' of Ginger's...meaning that I haven't bothered myself to keep up with her since '77. But I don't think that she deserves a lot of trashing either. If she did have another man in her life, well, that was not a nice thing to do. :blink: But with all due respect my friend Jen, Pris had other men while married to Elvis, and yet people still fall into line with the "She still loves him to this day" saga. Which I don't believe...but you already know that. :doh:

Now then, shall we call another truce???? Might I make a peace offeringing...? lol... Here's your hug for the day Jen....:hug: :clap:

Your friend...
Queenie...

[Vissie]

elvis and me are the cloest your get to the turth, but than again fans will argue about that book. child beide is to made up in my oponion.

I appreciate your opinion Presley but, for me, Elvis & Me wasn't an accurate representation of what really happened (again, jmo). It didn't really touch on the true human dynamics between two people involved in a very complicated relationship. I haven't read Child Bride.

[presley31]

two men queenie, come on now, how many girls did elvis have??

[presley31]

look like twins almost

[Tony Trout]

As for ginger charlie wife said that elvis wasn't going to marry ginger he got caught up in the emotion at the time and trying to relive his past. Ginger had a boyfriend when she was with elvis, that doesn't sound like a woman in love with elvis.


I can't believe this but I agree 100% with your post, "presley31". Ginger wasn't as faithful to Elvis as some of us would like to believe. If Elvis had married Ginger, it wouldn't have lasted long at all.

According to the reviews I've seen of it, "Child Bride" comes as close as anything to how Priscilla truly was and is as a person than any other book you will read.

[The King's Queen]

two men queenie, come on now, how many girls did elvis have??

There is really no doubt that he had other women...but that was not my point. I sensed that you have a dislike for Ginger because she supposedly had another boyfriend, and I was just pointing out to you that it is the same for Pris as it is for Ginger. The only difference being that Ginger wasn't married to Elvis...and he wasn't faithful to her either. :)

[presley31]

Elvis was seeing the real ginger in the last months, and he wasn't liking what he was seeing. She didn't love him like everyone wants to believe.

[Vissie]

two men queenie, come on now, how many girls did elvis have??

Unfortunately, women were held to a different standard in terms of sexual relationships back in the 60s and 70s. Some may even argue that the double-standard is still in existence today.

[Vissie]

look like twins almost

Wow.. you're right! They do look like twins! :supriced:

[presley31]

True true Vissie,

[presley31]

Wow.. you're right! They do look like twins! :supriced:

Thats what l meant by reliving his past, he came really close to picking someone that looked like priscilla.

[The King's Queen]

Elvis was seeing the real ginger in the last months, and he wasn't liking what he was seeing. She didn't love him like everyone wants to believe.

Well, honestly, I have never given much thought as to whether or not she was wildly in love with him...it never really mattered to me. But I still respect her for not using her relationship to advance herself financially or any other way.


Unfortunately, women were held to a different standard in terms of sexual relationships back in the 60s and 70s. Some may even argue that the double-standard is still in existence today.


In some ways, that is quite correct Vissie. I don't play into that way of thinking though. I don't uphold for Elvis and deny his infidelity. But I was simply making a point that I tried to make earlier. If you like someone, such as Jen does Priscilla, it is not as easy to admit their faults as it is to pinpoint the faults of those that you don't like as much...per say maybe her dislike of Ginger. Not meaning to speak for her, just making a point. Like I said before, there is a lot out there, and everyone has their own opinions and feelings about all things pertaining to Elvis...:doh: :king: :P

[Merry]

That's true....but (from my own experience as a fan and talking to other fans) some people will argue things that have been proven to be factual because they think they're correct.


Ahhh, this is where things get muddled, though, don't they?

What is factual, how do you trust the resource? (y)

[The King's Queen]

Ahhh, this is where things get muddled, though, don't they?

What is factual, how do you trust the resource? (y)


Kimmi...you are so RIGHT! This is always where the difference comes in. Some believe this person's view, and some trust that person's view...and it goes on and on. :blink:

You know, I don't have the appropriate answer for your question. All I can do is tell you that I watch people very closely. I pay attention to their actions while they speak, and I listen for little inconsistencies...then I just go with my "gut" feeling as to whether or not I should believe their story. You know, we will never know Elvis' side of the story...so there will always be debates over things pertaining to him. :doh: :lmfao:

[Merry]

Kimmi...you are so RIGHT! This is always where the difference comes in. Some believe this person's view, and some trust that person's view...and it goes on and on. :blink:

You know, I don't have the appropriate answer for your question. All I can do is tell you that I watch people very closely. I pay attention to their actions while they speak, and I listen for little inconsistencies...then I just go with my "gut" feeling as to whether or not I should believe their story. You know, we will never know Elvis' side of the story...so there will always be debates over things pertaining to him. :doh: :lmfao:

Hi Queenie,

I do the same, hon. I look to see where their eyes go (after watching someone telling the truth, you then get the idea of how they react and can go from there) people look up with their eyes, one side for memory, the other side for lieing; :hmm:watching their mannerisms (scratching or eye avoidance, hesitation, etc., when they tell a "doozy", lol, different things people do). I enjoy observing people. I feel that people's eyes match how they say something emphatically (or not). Or if in fact, it doesn't come from them, they are repeating, and changing stories.

Hugs Queenie,
Kim

[Getlo]

Ginger had a boyfriend when she was with elvis, that doesn't sound like a woman in love with elvis.

Where's this info from???