What killed Gladys Presley?

[Vissie]

From what I understand, it was cirrhosis of the liver.

Did she drink heavily? I saw in another thread that someone said she took pills? If so, what kind?

[presley31]

Gladys Presley dies of acute hepatitis, that what l found but l saw somewehere that gladys was into the diet pills and driniking.

[ksimms2]

same here...she died from complications brought on by Hep C. Yes she drank alot when she was younger from what I read - I think because of the hardship of raising Elvis alone while Vernon was in jail.

[Vissie]

I read that the family preferred the "complications from Hep C" interpretation but the real cause was cirrhosis of the liver?:hmm:

Also, Guralnick says she drank at Graceland (but had to hide it from Elvis).

[ReGina_89]

But Vernon wasn't in jail for that long??!!!

[Vissie]

But Vernon wasn't in jail for that long??!!!

He was sentenced to 3 years but I believe he served around 18 months (or close to that).

[Getlo]

But Vernon wasn't in jail for that long??!!!

Eight months ... which would've been like eight years in the Depression.

No one will ever know why Gladys drank and took pills, any more than anyone will ever figure out why her son did the things he did.

[Vissie]

Eight months ... which would've been like eight years in the Depression.

No one will ever know why Gladys drank and took pills, any more than anyone will ever figure out why her son did the things he did.

You're right. It was 8 months.

[presley31]

She did drink around elvis, but elvis told her many times he didn't like her drinking but gladys never stopped.

[Tony Trout]

Gladys actually passed away from cardiac arrest brought on by Hepatitis C is what I've always read.....

[ksimms2]

Gladys actually passed away from cardiac arrest brought on by Hepatitis C is what I've always read.....

Me too Tony, that's what I've read also.

[ReGina_89]

I believe she started drking to fill the emptyness and worry Elvis left behind while he was on tour and when she did see him on tour she say the fans rip his clothes off tryin to get to him any mother would have been scaried to death by a scene like that....:'(

[Vissie]

Gladys actually passed away from cardiac arrest brought on by Hepatitis C is what I've always read.....

I've read that too but, as I've said, there are others who say it was cirrhosis (so I'm not sure who is correct.)

But, thinking about it... did Gladys abuse the diet pills? Or did she follow the prescription carefully?

If she did abuse them (albeit unknowingly) then perhaps that is why her son could not see what he was doing to himself?

[Tony Trout]

Me too Tony, that's what I've read also.

According to sources, Vernon was asleep when Gladys began struggling for breath but when he tried to summons a nurse it was too late...she had already gone into cardiac arrest...basically a heart attack.

[Getlo]

I believe she started drking to fill the emptyness and worry Elvis left behind while he was on tour

Gladys was drinking long before Elvis became famous ...

[ReGina_89]

I think the Presleys have an abusive gene!!

[Vissie]

According to sources, Vernon was asleep when Gladys began struggling for breath but when he tried to summons a nurse it was too late...she had already gone into cardiac arrest...basically a heart attack.

The heart always fails at death. I don't believe it was the actual cause, but a result thereof.

[Vissie]

Gladys was drinking long before Elvis became famous ...

I've read that as well. Wasn't beer her drink of choice?

[presley31]

l think it was a beer, but not sure

[Tony Trout]

I think the Presleys have an abusive gene!!


"Abusive" might be too strong of a word to use...

I'd say that Gladys and Elvis both had a "self-destructive" manner about themselves....Elvis even admitted that he was "self-destructive to Linda Thompson, I believe.

[presley31]

I think it was called abusive cause they really did abuse the pills imo

[0349054]

Mrs Presley died from Liver failure.

[Tony Trout]

Mrs Presley died from Liver failure.



Um...no. She died from cardiac arrest (a heart attack) brought on by Hepatitis C. That was what was listed on the death certificate, I believe.

[presley31]

l agree tony, thats what l keep reading about gladys death

[0349054]

Um...no. She died from cardiac arrest (a heart attack) brought on by Hepatitis C. That was what was listed on the death certificate, I believe.

I havent viewed Mrs.Presley's death cert so I cant comment on whats on it.

It's probabaly safe to say that the Advanced Hepatitis is what killed her.

[Awickedreigndrop]

This is a interesting thread. I never heard anyone talk about this subject before. Isn't hepatitis a liver disease?:hmm:

[Vissie]

This is a interesting thread. I never heard anyone talk about this subject before. Isn't hepatitis a liver disease?:hmm:

They are both diseases that affect the liver with chronic alcoholism being a major cause (along with Hep C).

In relationship to Gladys.. was she an alcoholic/heavy drinker? Many books say she enjoyed drinking (and Elvis was aware of this).

[The King's Queen]

Here's an interesting thought...Elvis reportedly said that he thought that his Mother "died of a broken heart" because he had been drafted. I know...no relevance to the actual thread...:blush:...but I thought of that statement and just wanted to post it. I guess Elvis had his own opinions too, huh? :blink:

[Vissie]

Here's an interesting thought...Elvis reportedly said that he thought that his Mother "died of a broken heart" because he had been drafted. I know...no relevance to the actual thread...:blush:...but I thought of that statement and just wanted to post it. I guess Elvis had his own opinions too, huh? :blink:

I think she did have a broken heart.. poor woman :-< But I think drinking helped her to live with her sorrow (which was bad for her health).

[The King's Queen]

I think she did have a broken heart.. poor woman :-< But I think drinking helped her to live with her sorrow (which was bad for her health).

That's true Vissie...and then she probably got caught in a viscious cycle...like lots of people do. My dad has suffered alcohlism most all of his life...and it makes for a bad situation. I feel that she was sad inside...it shows thru her eyes in pictures of her. I attribute that to having lived a hard life...and losing one child at birth. Poverty strips people of their dignity, if they will allow it to. I always felt a deep sadness for Gladys...and I think that Elvis did all he could to give her everything that he felt she was so deserving of. :'(

[Vissie]

That's true Vissie...and then she probably got caught in a viscious cycle...like lots of people do. My dad has suffered alcohlism most all of his life...and it makes for a bad situation. I feel that she was sad inside...it shows thru her eyes in pictures of her. I attribute that to having lived a hard life...and losing one child at birth. Poverty strips people of their dignity, if they will allow it to. I always felt a deep sadness for Gladys...and I think that Elvis did all he could to give her everything that he felt she was so deserving of. :'(

Great post Queenie. You've touched on so many levels. Imagine the heartache she suffered...

Her mother was bedridden most of her life and then died from tuberculosis when she was only 59. Her father died suddenly of pneumonia when he was only in his 50s leaving Gladys at age 19 to fend for herself. She marries a man younger than her who (imo) wasn't a great provider. She loses a child at birth and then smothers the one remaining twin. Hubby spends time in jail and she's left to support the family. A very hard life indeed.

[poormansgold76]

That's true Vissie...and then she probably got caught in a viscious cycle...like lots of people do. My dad has suffered alcohlism most all of his life...and it makes for a bad situation. I feel that she was sad inside...it shows thru her eyes in pictures of her. I attribute that to having lived a hard life...and losing one child at birth. Poverty strips people of their dignity, if they will allow it to. I always felt a deep sadness for Gladys...and I think that Elvis did all he could to give her everything that he felt she was so deserving of. :'(


alcohlism Run thru In My Famliy, I'm Lucky That It miss me, One Of My Sister Got it bad, She Always not Happened Where She At, My older Sister Is A Winer, She Drinks only Wine Every night after Work, My brother Was Drinker He stop Drinking Over 20 years .
I had little drink At once or two, not to get drunk. With Me On Meds.
I don't want that life, what I see It does To People and Famliy's I know

It's Sad what she go thru in life. I see My Sister In her , Same heartache.
One thing She was special Mother.

Tom

[ksimms2]

my brother in law has Hep C which he says he got from too much drinking causing sirrosis (sp? I have not idea how to spell that) of his liver.....which he says caused his Hep C. Not sure if that can cause Hep C though? But sounds like maybe that is what happened to Gladys. And as far as Gladys and Elvis - their relationship was very strange indeed....he slept in same bed with her into his teens. They were very close, I'd say too close (no I dont mean sexual)....but not healthy. In other words - she relied on him and he relied on her......but maybe they only had each other anyways.....sorry if I am confusing you.

[Vissie]

my brother in law has Hep C which he says he got from too much drinking causing sirrosis (sp? I have not idea how to spell that) of his liver.....which he says caused his Hep C. Not sure if that can cause Hep C though? But sounds like maybe that is what happened to Gladys. And as far as Gladys and Elvis - their relationship was very strange indeed....he slept in same bed with her into his teens. They were very close, I'd say too close (no I dont mean sexual)....but not healthy. In other words - she relied on him and he relied on her......but maybe they only had each other anyways.....sorry if I am confusing you.

I understand what you're saying Ksimms. I do think the relationship he had with his Mother was somewhat unhealthy. Closeness is one thing, obsession is quite another.

[The King's Queen]

alcohlism Run thru In My Famliy, I'm Lucky That It miss me, One Of My Sister Got it bad, She Always not Happened Where She At, My older Sister Is A Winer, She Drinks only Wine Every night after Work, My brother Was Drinker He stop Drinking Over 20 years .
I had little drink At once or two, not to get drunk. With Me On Meds.
I don't want that life, what I see It does To People and Famliy's I know

It's Sad what she go thru in life. I see My Sister In her , Same heartache.
One thing She was special Mother.

Tom

Tom..you bet your bippy she was a special Mother! She was devoted to Elvis, and he to her. That type of thing only comes from having a very special Mother! I know, because I have one too...:) :notworthy

[The King's Queen]

I understand what you're saying Ksimms. I do think the relationship he had with his Mother was somewhat unhealthy. Closeness is one thing, obsession is quite another.


I don't really classify it as "obsession" Vissie. One must remember that he was an only child. Therefore, he got her undivided attention. I think their relationship was kindred...that they shared the same views on most everything. And ultimately, that is why he felt that no one else could understand him like she did...JMO...:)

[Vissie]

I don't really classify it as "obsession" Vissie. One must remember that he was an only child. Therefore, he got her undivided attention. I think their relationship was kindred...that they shared the same views on most everything. And ultimately, that is why he felt that no one else could understand him like she did...JMO...:)

Well, from what I've read so far, it seems she quite often denied him freedom as a child(?) She wouldn't let him walk to school. I know Peter Guralnick cites several references where she was quite over-protective. However, this is something that is based on the reader's perception. ;)

[The King's Queen]

Well, from what I've read so far, it seems she quite often denied him freedom as a child(?) She wouldn't let him walk to school. I know Peter Guralnick cites several references where she was quite over-protective. However, this is something that is based on the reader's perception. ;)

No, I think you are right in the fact that she was perhaps "over protective". She had, I believe, a constant fear that she would lose Elvis, because of the death of Jesse at birth. But back in the day, it was not as easy as going to see a therapist...so love her heart, I believe she did the very best that she could to keep her only child safe and sound. I feel for her...because by no fault of my own, I have found that I too have a tendency to be overly protective over my own children...:doh: :lmfao:

[Vissie]

No, I think you are right in the fact that she was perhaps "over protective". She had, I believe, a constant fear that she would lose Elvis, because of the death of Jesse at birth. But back in the day, it was not as easy as going to see a therapist...so love her heart, I believe she did the very best that she could to keep her only child safe and sound. I feel for her...because by no fault of my own, I have found that I too have a tendency to be overly protective over my own children...:doh: :lmfao:

Oh Queenie, please be assured... even though I feel she was quite over-protective I do not fault her for it. I understand it.

[poormansgold76]

my brother in law has Hep C which he says he got from too much drinking causing sirrosis (sp? I have not idea how to spell that) of his liver.....which he says caused his Hep C. Not sure if that can cause Hep C though? But sounds like maybe that is what happened to Gladys. And as far as Gladys and Elvis - their relationship was very strange indeed....he slept in same bed with her into his teens. They were very close, I'd say too close (no I dont mean sexual)....but not healthy. In other words - she relied on him and he relied on her......but maybe they only had each other anyways.....sorry if I am confusing you.

Yo u Are Right Ksmms2, That's My sister got and my father had too, but he had Liver Carcer top it.
Elvis never get over it, That's Things Change for Him. that's down fall that's hunt him to end his life.
That's Joe E. Tell me, Elvis was lost Soul after that, I know How Elvis Feel
little bit, Maybe not Same way, I can See How he is That few years his life.. One broken Heart Maybe, how about One broken Soul or lost soul,
The soul is key thing in our life, went that soul get hurt, it's closed down
and it's sometimes harder to come out it and Hard to help that person.
I'm stop there.
WE needed be friends on here and chat room , because LIfe is To short To
be full with hate.
Tom

[presley31]

I don't believe sleeping with your teen son isn't normal but thats my two cents.

[The King's Queen]

Yo u Are Right Ksmms2, That's My sister got and my father had too, but he had Liver Carcer top it.
Elvis never get over it, That's Things Change for Him. that's down fall that's hunt him to end his life.
That's Joe E. Tell me, Elvis was lost Soul after that, I know How Elvis Feel
little bit, Maybe not Same way, I can See How he is That few years his life.. One broken Heart Maybe, how about One broken Soul or lost soul,
The soul is key thing in our life, went that soul get hurt, it's closed down
and it's sometimes harder to come out it and Hard to help that person.
I'm stop there.
WE needed be friends on here and chat room , because LIfe is To short To
be full with hate.
Tom

Tom, you always have the BEST outlook on life! :notworthy Bless you...you are so right. Life is way too short to complicate it with anger and bitterness....:hug: :clap: :clap:

[Vissie]

I don't believe sleeping with your teen son isn't normal but thats my two cents.

It isn't normal. I agree.

[Getlo]

I don't believe sleeping with your teen son isn't normal but thats my two cents.


???????

Are you saying it's normal ???!

Sorry, but a child should not share a bed with its parents beyond, say, two years old ...

[Tony Trout]

I don't believe sleeping with your teen son isn't normal but thats my two cents.


It isn't normal. I agree.



I'll agree also....

Gladys and Elvis had a unique and (what some would call) "strange" relationship.....but there is no denying the fact that he loved his mother dearly.....

[The King's Queen]

I don't believe sleeping with your teen son isn't normal but thats my two cents.


It isn't normal. I agree.

Well, everyone has their own definitions of "normal" I guess. My son's don't think one thing about crawling into the bed with me and my husband...and there is NOTHING abnormal that goes on in this house! They will sit on the couch and hug me and pet on me, and that is the way it has always been with them. Granted, they don't sleep every night with us, but if they did, I wouldn't think that they had issues. :blink:

I think that some of this world and it's perverted behavior has taken away the innocence of being able to show love to parents or teenage (or adult) children. We shouldn't all be judged by that....(n)

[presley31]

I don't mean its ok to being sleeping with your son while he's in his teen, but heck l sleep with my son and he's 2 years old, but l would never sleep with him in the same bed if he was in his teens, thats wrong by all acconts.

[The King's Queen]

I don't mean its ok to being sleeping with your son while he's in his teen, but heck l sleep with my son and he's 2 years old, but l would never sleep with him in the same bed if he was in his teens, thats wrong by all acconts.

Not wrong if it is NOT done for the wrong reasons...I'm sorry, but I have to differ. When my sons get in bed with us, it is usually for a reason...sick, bad dreams, ect... And when they do, they bring their own pillow and quilt, and they "roll up" in their quilt when they get in the bed. No one here sleeps in the 'buff' or anything like that, and we never consider it a bad thing...we are a family. We are not perverted...geeze...:blink:

[presley31]

teenagers don't need to be sleeping with there parents, maybe l got taught the wrong way about that, but whatever the the case l think its wrong and gladys shouldn't of have done that to elvis cause elvis through his life couldn't sleep by himself.

[Diane]

I think the habit probably started when Elvis was born in that two room little house they had in Tupelo. There was only one bed in that house and possibly it was the same in several of the succeeding places they lived in.

I also feel it wasn't a healthy thing but I don't feel Gladys had any other motive than to over-protect her surviving son by keeping him as close as possible. I have no doubt the smothering did cause him some serious emotional problems but she had no way of knowing that. She just did the best she knew how.

Diane

[Vissie]

I think the habit probably started when Elvis was born in that two room little house they had in Tupelo. There was only one bed in that house and possibly it was the same in several of the succeeding places they lived in.

I also feel it wasn't a healthy thing but I don't feel Gladys had any other motive than to over-protect her surviving son by keeping him as close as possible. I have no doubt the smothering did cause him some serious emotional problems but she had no way of knowing that. She just did the best she knew how.

Diane

Their poor financial situation caused them to live on top of one another. I believe the closeness was born from that in addition to her fear of him being the sole surviving twin. I have a relative who lost her infant when he was 3 months old and her relationship with her other children is quite different than it was before he passed away.

I don't think she ever acted out of malice. She had no real family to learn from and her own education was minimal. She was only doing what she thought was best for her, her son and her family.

I do agree though that because of this unique relationship, Elvis did not emotionally mature properly.

[Getlo]

. When my sons get in bed with us, it is usually for a reason...sick, bad dreams, ect...

Even so, two years old should be the limit. Maybe for a nightmare or sickness, extend it to four or five.

But for any age beyond that, the child can "suck it up" and go back to sleep!

There is no reason whatsoever for a child beyond that age to be sharing a bed with its parents. If the stories about Elvis sharing his parents bed until his teens are true ... sorry, that ain't normal. I'm not suggesting any form of perversion, though.

And Gladys walking him to school until he was ... what, 13 or something like that? That's just plain wrong and unhealthy ...

[Getlo]

Their poor financial situation caused them to live on top of one another.

Elvis still had his own bed (or bedroom) in every house he lived in ...

[The King's Queen]

I agree Vissie...because he always felt a lonliness that could not be compensated for. He seemed to love to be 'babied'...and sadly, no one else could fill the bill and do that the way his Mother could...:'(

[presley31]

maybe that why elvis needed all the mm and girlsfriends around him all the time cause he didn't have the chance to be a normal child and be independent on his own.

[The King's Queen]

Getlo...I guess it comes down to the parent's own style of parenting. Some choose the 'suck it up' route, while others choose to coddle their children more I suppose. I just don't feel that it can be classified as being 'wrong' or 'unhealthy', as those terms do reflect a personal opinion as well. To each his own I suppose. She did the best that she could...and he loved her for it. (y)

[Diane]

Apparently Elvis was also upset that Gladys insisted on walking him to school in his early teens as it was said he once asked her to keep out of sight so he wouldn't be embarrassed. That at least showed that he had normal feelings towards that kind of thing.

Diane

[Getlo]

I He seemed to love to be 'babied'...and sadly, no one else could fill the bill and do that the way his Mother could...:'(

What's sadder is that Elvis felt the need for this in the first place. It is not sad at all that nobody could fill his mother's place.

If they had, Elvis would've been even more emotionally immature than he was.

And that insipid baby talk that he and Gladys (and he and Cilla, Linda et al) engaged in was just ridiculous, and only fed his already fragile ego in a very unhealthy manner.

[Vissie]

Elvis still had his own bed (or bedroom) in every house he lived in ...

I didn't say he didn't have his own bed. I said they lived on top of one another. He did sleep with his parents a large part of the time, so a separate bed is really a non-issue ;)

[presley31]

cause of sleeping togther it made elvis need people around him at all times.

[Vissie]

Apparently Elvis was also upset that Gladys insisted on walking him to school in his early teens as it was said he once asked her to keep out of sight so he wouldn't be embarrassed. That at least showed that he had normal feelings towards that kind of thing.

Diane

Yes, I've read that as well. She wouldn't let him have a bicycle (a very normal part of a healthy childhood) because she was "afraid he'd get hurt". Elvis' was so disappointed he cried. That is when she talked him into the guitar instead.

[presley31]

Gladys shouldn't of babied him so much and let him be a carefree boy like todays kids. Maybe if she didn't elvis wouldn't of needed comfort in everyone. Can you imagine what elvis would of been like if elvis didnt have MM around him like they were??

[Vissie]

Gladys shouldn't of babied him so much and let him be a carefree boy like todays kids. Maybe if she didn't elvis wouldn't of needed comfort in everyone. Can you imagine what elvis would of been like if elvis didnt have MM around him like they were??

If Elvis didn't have the relationship he had with his mother, I think he would have become a very different type of adult.

[Getlo]

Gladys shouldn't of babied him so much and let him be a carefree boy like todays kids. Maybe if she didn't elvis wouldn't of needed comfort in everyone.

If more people had had the guts to say "No" to Elvis once he became famous, he might still be with us today ...

[elvis himselvis]

"Abusive" might be too strong of a word to use...

I'd say that Gladys and Elvis both had a "self-destructive" manner about themselves....Elvis even admitted that he was "self-destructive to Linda Thompson, I believe.

yes,he did said this to her

[presley31]

If more people had had the guts to say "No" to Elvis once he became famous, he might still be with us today ...

l agree getlo, (y)(y)

[ksimms2]

What's sadder is that Elvis felt the need for this in the first place. It is not sad at all that nobody could fill his mother's place.

If they had, Elvis would've been even more emotionally immature than he was.

And that insipid baby talk that he and Gladys (and he and Cilla, Linda et al) engaged in was just ridiculous, and only fed his already fragile ego in a very unhealthy manner.

you know, sadly what you and Jen are saying is true. Had his mom not been so overprotective and baby him all the time, he probably would have not felt the need to be treated so as an adult as well. Even Linda has stated on many occasions that Elvis wanted to be babied and taken care of. Nothing personal against him - but it all stems back to his mom. Doesnt make them bad people....just different.

[Vissie]

If more people had had the guts to say "No" to Elvis once he became famous, he might still be with us today ...

Many entourage members have said "no" to stars.. Madonna, Britney and Lohan just to mention a few. They were swiftly dispensed with. Elvis might have done the same thing.

However, I will agree that it's unfortunate more people weren't able to positively influence him. He did have many good people around him.

[ksimms2]

If Elvis didn't have the relationship he had with his mother, I think he would have become a very different type of adult.

Yes Vissie, I agree. I know he was close with his parents and there was nothing wrong with that - at all - but smothering him from infancy through his teens and even up until she died - did not help him as an adult.

[Diane]

I agree 100% Getlo.(y)

Diane

[Vissie]

Yes Vissie, I agree. I know he was close with his parents and there was nothing wrong with that - at all - but smothering him from infancy through his teens and even up until she died - did not help him as an adult.

You know, it's my belief that, at times, being a Mom is a very difficult job. You worry, you fret, you lose sleep. But, it is important to impart a feeling of strength and security to your children. They need to know you are able to protect them. You don't fill them with dread because you transfer your fears to them.

Case in point. (Please remember, these are my feelings as to what should've have happened).

When Elvis was drafted, Gladys had the perfect opportunity to show how proud she was of him. She could've applauded him and reward him with praise. She could've instilled a foundation of security in his soul.

Instead, she lets it be known she is frightened to death. Germany is so far away. How dare anyone take her baby away from her? Don't they understand what he means to her?

She didn't set a good example for him. She was afraid and she made him afraid. Sometimes, as Moms, we just can't do that. We need to be strong so our children can thrive.

[Vissie]

Yes Vissie, I agree. I know he was close with his parents and there was nothing wrong with that - at all - but smothering him from infancy through his teens and even up until she died - did not help him as an adult.

I think you read more into my reply than was there Getlo ;) I don't condone the smothering.

What I'm saying is if he had had a more normal childhood he might have gone on to have a very different adult life. Perhaps one with a sustaining marriage, a life free from pills and death at age 100.

[ksimms2]

one could always hope this would be the case Vissie......and once again....I am in no way saying gladys was a bad mom.....I have nothing against her at all...she gave birth to the greatest person in the world - in my opinion and I'll always be grateful for that.

[poormansgold76]

We have Think about The time fame, It starting , It's Starting after Vernon Was In Jail For 16 or 18 months , I don't remember what year that happened, I know It's for Change A check, from 3.00 dollar to 33.00 dollars, Some times back then You Sleep in bed you had Or Yo u Sleep Together To keep warm in Winters, it can get cold in MI I know I use To Live In AL. for A year, between Dec. To Feb can cold, not liked up north from Mi.
We need To keep open mind abot things back then too,
Tom

[Vissie]

We have Think about The time fame, It starting , It's Starting after Vernon Was In Jail For 16 or 18 months , I don't remember what year that happened, I know It's for Change A check, from 3.00 dollar to 33.00 dollars, Some times back then You Sleep in bed you had Or Yo u Sleep Together To keep warm in Winters, it can get cold in MI I know I use To Live In AL. for A year, between Dec. To Feb can cold, not liked up north from Mi.
We need To keep open mind abot things back then too,
Tom

Vernon was sentenced to 3 years in prison on May 25, 1938. However, he only served a total of 8 months.

[Vissie]

one could always hope this would be the case Vissie......and once again....I am in no way saying gladys was a bad mom.....I have nothing against her at all...she gave birth to the greatest person in the world - in my opinion and I'll always be grateful for that.

It's interesting to speculate on what might've happened ;) Personally, I still think he would've pursued a career in music :king:

[Getlo]

for Change A check, from 3.00 dollar to 33.00 dollars,


I believe the forgery was for changing the cheque from $3 to $8 ...

[Vissie]

I believe the forgery was for changing the cheque from $3 to $8 ...

I read it was for changing the amount on a check from Orville Bean from $4.00 to $40.00 (Vernon was selling Orville a hog and felt cheated).

[poormansgold76]

I Read this In one Paul Lact. Books, 20 years ago, in book say 3.00 to 33.00

[presley31]

I'am not saying gladys was a bad mom but she didn't treat elvis like he was a normal boy, always worrying about him is normal but she over did by fussing over everything in elvis life when she was alive.

[Vissie]

I Read this In one Paul Lact. Books, 20 years ago, in book say 3.00 to 33.00

Here's the quote from "Graceland: The Living Legacy of Elvis Presley"...

Apparently Vernon had sold a hog to Orville Bean for $4.00 and felt cheated by the transaction. He, with the aid and abetment of the other two men, had either altered that check or forged a new one to raise its amount to $40.00.

[rawkinlvs]

it was most definetly complications brought on by hep c, many attested to her yellow colour[jaundice] , even lamar fike and billy say her colour got very bad and her energy was very low, even to the point she could not talk on the telephone for to long, understandably ELVIS and vernon refused an autopsy, something it was said that vernon regreted , the death certificate was made public in the memphis shcimitar 2 months after GLADY'S death, i believe it is billy who now holds this .

[rawkinlvs]

no doubt about that , lisa is known to be compulsive in her eating habbitts and just about everything else.

[ksimms2]

sad, poor Gladys....no matter how much she babied elvis, she was still his mom and he loved her very much.

[4THEHEART]

now it's Glady's turn? Presley family trial on TCB forum..dig for wrongs in Presleys.. that's what we are doing here lately..
what they should've/shouldn't have done..wish we could go back in time and live their life (perfectly this time)in their place.??
Well you would've regret with any little change in his life ..Elvis walked in his path,he was him and to be him, he had to go through those ways of he did..If you are all sure it is that Elvis who you love,than what is this??..
bye all..

[presley31]

No disrespect Zey but we are talking about the ups and downs of elvis life, elvis didn't have all sunshine in his life all the time.

[ksimms2]

now it's Glady's turn? Presley family trial on TCB forum..dig for wrongs in Presleys.. that's what we are doing here lately..
what they should've/shouldn't have done..wish we could go back in time and live their life (perfectly this time)in their place.??
Well you would've regret with any little change in his life ..Elvis walked in his path,he was him and to be him, he had to go through those ways of he did..If you are all sure it is that Elvis who you love,than what is this??..
bye all..

harsh. we are discussing things...that is what the forum is about. The what if's and could've, should've, would've......we all wish Elvis were still with us....that's all there is to it. Sorry you have a problem with it - if you do - then probably you will have a problem with all the forums because they are all like this......we all have our opinions on his life and death.

[The King's Queen]

now it's Glady's turn? Presley family trial on TCB forum..dig for wrongs in Presleys.. that's what we are doing here lately..
what they should've/shouldn't have done..wish we could go back in time and live their life (perfectly this time)in their place.??
Well you would've regret with any little change in his life ..Elvis walked in his path,he was him and to be him, he had to go through those ways of he did..If you are all sure it is that Elvis who you love,than what is this??..
bye all..


Hi Zey... I know how you are feeling about this...it does get a bit hostile at times. :blink: I kinda get a bit agitated when people express their "less than flattering" opinions of Gladys and her mothering techniques...but they do have that right. I hope that everyone on this forum is here because they love Elvis...and I know that I do! Cheer up honey...it ain't nuthin'...! :hug: :)

[ksimms2]

Zey, I apologize if my response sounded rude, it certainly wasn't intended to.....you will run into all types of opinions on here....some you'll agree with....some you won't. We've all pretty much learned that....it's not worth getting upset over.....:hug:

[Merry]

Even so, two years old should be the limit. Maybe for a nightmare or sickness, extend it to four or five.

But for any age beyond that, the child can "suck it up" and go back to sleep!

There is no reason whatsoever for a child beyond that age to be sharing a bed with its parents. If the stories about Elvis sharing his parents bed until his teens are true ... sorry, that ain't normal. I'm not suggesting any form of perversion, though.

And Gladys walking him to school until he was ... what, 13 or something like that? That's just plain wrong and unhealthy ...


Oh dear :doh:

There isn't anything sexual with children, parents parent, support, love, cherish and parent!

Children still have nightmares, insecurities, they are children!

[The King's Queen]

Oh dear :doh:

There isn't anything sexual with children, parents parent, support, love, cherish and parent!

Children still have nightmares, insecurities, they are children!

Ahhhh, finally someone else who can relate to my way of thinking! :clap::clap:

Thanks Kimmi....:hug::hug:

[Merry]

Hi Zey... I know how you are feeling about this...it does get a bit hostile at times. :blink: I kinda get a bit agitated when people express their "less than flattering" opinions of Gladys and her mothering techniques...but they do have that right. I hope that everyone on this forum is here because they love Elvis...and I know that I do! Cheer up honey...it ain't nuthin'...! :hug: :)




I didn't read till this morning, as just the topic......well.....sigh

I agree with Zeh, hon.

I'd be, well, mothers, we do our best, you know?

Hugs Queenie,
ly
Kimmi

[Merry]

Ahhhh, finally someone else who can relate to my way of thinking! :clap::clap:

Thanks Kimmi....:hug::hug:


Then I posted again!

I know what you mean, though Queenie.

I wouldn't allow one word against my grandmother, and well, just close to my heart, this subject.

Hugs
Kimmi

[The King's Queen]

Yes Kimmi...a loving Mother does her very best, I believe. And I find it sad when Mother's do the best they can and still get blamed for what goes wrong in their ADULT children's lives. (n)

Hugs back at ya....:hug:

[presley31]

jess

Teenagers should not be sleeping with there parents, thats wrong all acconts.

[megannn]

I'm 15 and I sleep in bed with my mom ofcourse were both chic's but my older brothers who are in there 30's jump in bed and fall asleep with my mom(NOTHING SEXUAL). When i was younger i use to sleep in bed with my parents just because i wanted to, my dad didnt like getting kicked during the night but they never denied my sleeping in bed with them. Since my dad left & the fact that we have unstable living conditions and just enough money to eat but not enough to have a place of our own we share a room, we sleep in the same bed and im 15 years old.

[The King's Queen]

I'm 15 and I sleep in bed with my mom ofcourse were both chic's but my older brothers who are in there 30's jump in bed and fall asleep with my mom(NOTHING SEXUAL). When i was younger i use to sleep in bed with my parents just because i wanted to, my dad didnt like getting kicked during the night but they never denied my sleeping in bed with them. Since my dad left & the fact that we have unstable living conditions and just enough money to eat but not enough to have a place of our own we share a room, we sleep in the same bed and im 15 years old.

Megannn, don't you worry about any of this...there is nothing wrong with the fact that you sleep with your Mom, or the fact that you have slept with both parents...:hug: Just because some people see it in a bad light, doesn't mean that it is wrong. Sounds like your Mom is very loved by her kids...and I think that is great! (y) :hug:

[presley31]

I'm 15 and I sleep in bed with my mom ofcourse were both chic's but my older brothers who are in there 30's jump in bed and fall asleep with my mom(NOTHING SEXUAL). When i was younger i use to sleep in bed with my parents just because i wanted to, my dad didnt like getting kicked during the night but they never denied my sleeping in bed with them. Since my dad left & the fact that we have unstable living conditions and just enough money to eat but not enough to have a place of our own we share a room, we sleep in the same bed and im 15 years old.

Thats alittle different than elvis, he had his OWN bed, so there no reason gladys had to sleep with him, no wonder people around him had to baby him like he was a little baby.

[KPM]

"Abusive" might be too strong of a word to use...

I'd say that Gladys and Elvis both had a "self-destructive" manner about themselves....Elvis even admitted that he was "self-destructive to Linda Thompson, I believe.
There are genes which have been found to cause alcoholism and depression. It tends to run in familys. So if they had self destructive manners about them, remember there are causes for self destructive behavior. People do not always make conscious decisions to be self destructive and do not always understand why they feel like that. It happens.

[The King's Queen]

Well...lol...I imagine I would probably be reflected upon in much the same thinking as Gladys. I feel that my children have to endure hate, violence, rejection, and all of those other things that are not nice while they are out in this cold world. When they are with me, they get all of the love that I have to give. Even my adult children come home and get cuddled and hugged...and yes, my daughter will crawl into bed with me when she stays overnight while her Dad is gone...no big deal! Sorry people, but I just don't understand why there is such a fuss over something like this...:hmm: Parents just can't win...either they don't do enough, or they do too much. I think Gladys was a great Mom...otherwise, Elvis wouldn't have loved her so much. And I don't think that his need for closeness was a bad reflection on his Mother. It may have been his way of showing, expressing, and feeling love. Nothing wrong with that.

[megannn]

my mom babies me alot, my siblings complain but not like that. im the last of 9 kids, she's scared to lose any of us,she hates when we do the things we do,she isnt fond of bikes but we still have fun.she lost my brother when he was 15. he was killed by a drunk driver so she can be scary caring sometimes. i love my mom! i have no shame! i think all kids want to talk to there parents in a baby voice i found that when i use to talk to my dad or sometimes my mom i talked like i was 4 years old, dont ask me why i just did. i havent spoken to my dad since last year so i grew out of it. but all the kids i know said they enjoy sleeping in the same bed as their mom even if the bed was a rock, lol =D.

[presley31]

Maybe its the way we got taught Queenie, Gladys didn't just sleep with elvis once and awhile. Do you think if she didn't baby elvis so much as she did, he would of need stronger to face everyday things. Gladys used to slap elvis upside the head, you think thats right too?

[KPM]

Some of Gladys friends and relatives from Tupelo say after Elvis was born she changed she became more fearful and seemed depressed compared to before he was born. She worried a lot. Being a worrier myself, I can relate to that. No one worries because they want to-it just happens and it can really have an effect on your day to day life.
I think Gladys was probably insecure about suddenly being thrust into the spotlight and she coped the best way she could. She was "country" and to have to worry about how she looked, and what she did every single minute had to be a huge burden. Someone might snap a picture anywhere she went and she did not want to embarrass Elvis-understandable.

[presley31]

good points kpm

[The King's Queen]

Maybe its the way we got taught Queenie, Gladys didn't just sleep with elvis once and awhile. Do you think if she didn't baby elvis so much as she did, he would of need stronger to face everyday things. Gladys used to slap elvis upside the head, you think thats right too?

There is a BIG difference between 'whipping' a child, and 'beating' a child. Back in those days, I doubt that there was even such a thing as "child protection agency", "children's services", or "children's aide"...however you wish to term it, it's all the same. Kids got whipped! As a child, I got my fair share...and yes, sometimes my Mom would 'wallop' us upside the head if we backtalked her...it didn't kill us! And I can tell you this much...I love my Mother DEARLY! She managed to discipline us, even if it meant a whipping, and we never ever thought that it was for any other reason except that we disobeyed her. She loved us. No doubt about it! And no matter what anyone else thinks, I don't see a problem with whipping a kid.

Obviously we were taught differently Jen. Doesn't make either way a bad way...and I don't have a problem with your opinion. Now then, she also taught him to respect people and be mannerly...which he did throughout his life, so is that such a bad thing too?

[megannn]

Yall are making a big deal out of this.
we should make a big deal out of, lets say... GLOBAL WARMING!
=D its a big problem.
love peace and hair grease my dudes!

[presley31]

I'am not saying she's a bad mother, l don't believe in the way she taught elvis, l got slapped and all that and to be honest l was scared of my mother for the longest time, so l don't believe in slapping, its doesn't teach children nothing.

[The King's Queen]

Yall are making a big deal out of this.
we should make a big deal out of, lets say... GLOBAL WARMING!
=D its a big problem.
love peace and hair grease my dudes!

I concede...you are right megannn. :notworthy So goes the phrase, "from the mouths of babes"...lol. :hug:

[The King's Queen]

I'am not saying she's a bad mother, l don't believe in the way she taught elvis, l got slapped and all that and to be honest l was scared of my mother for the longest time, so l don't believe in slapping, its doesn't teach children nothing.

Jen, I am sorry for you in that...no child should be afraid of a parent. That shows you the difference that I spoke of earlier. And yes, it also makes a difference when the child actually feels "loved" by the parent. I hope you understand my point...as I understand yours. And we can, yet again, agree to disagree I hope....:blink:

Hugs to you...:hug:

[Merry]

jess

Teenagers should not be sleeping with there parents, thats wrong all acconts.


Sweetie,

Wait till your boy gets older, comes in, in tears (which isn't like him) and says "...... are chasing me", or the like.

Or, he is so sick, that you have to watch him.

Hugs you
Kimmi

[Merry]

Yes Kimmi...a loving Mother does her very best, I believe. And I find it sad when Mother's do the best they can and still get blamed for what goes wrong in their ADULT children's lives. (n)

Hugs back at ya....:hug:




Yes, because you only do what is possible for you at the time (in the case of everyone, which is why we both try to understand) to the best of your ability.

Then to be cut down for it, later, well...... :'(


Hugs
Kimmi

[presley31]

Sweetie,

Wait till your boy gets older, comes in, in tears (which isn't like him) and says "...... are chasing me", or the like.

Or, he is so sick, that you have to watch him.

Hugs you
Kimmi

KIm
l watched my mother take care of my brother and she didn't sleep with him when he was sick, she would cheak on him. sorry we all feel different about this topic

[Merry]

Maybe its the way we got taught Queenie, Gladys didn't just sleep with elvis once and awhile. Do you think if she didn't baby elvis so much as she did, he would of need stronger to face everyday things. Gladys used to slap elvis upside the head, you think thats right too?



Honey,

Back in that day, well the depression years, children were sleeping in drawers, they did what they could do. My grandmother made clothes out of curtains, she sewed her own underwear. The children's clothes were somehow cut out of their father's overalls. They did all they could do, and I wasn't told about the hardships, only these "light hearted" parts.

Hugs you,
Kimmi

[presley31]

Jen, I am sorry for you in that...no child should be afraid of a parent. That shows you the difference that I spoke of earlier. And yes, it also makes a difference when the child actually feels "loved" by the parent. I hope you understand my point...as I understand yours. And we can, yet again, agree to disagree I hope....:blink:

Hugs to you...:hug:

Its alright now, but l did read in thsi book inside graceland that elvis grandmother had to intervine casue gladys was going at elvis so rough, if you ever notice elvis couldn't handle sitations.

[Merry]

KIm
l watched my mother take care of my brother and she didn't sleep with him when he was sick, she would cheak on him. sorry we all feel different about this topic


Yes, I ended up taking my boy, he was unconscious, to hospital, vomitting in his sleep. I'm glad I was beside him, honey.

I see your point, and all we can do is love.

Kimmi

[Diane]

My feeling is that Gladys took her over-protectiveness a little too far. Any kid growing up needs some breathing space, other than that, I think she was a pretty good mom.

I'm kind of in the middle of all of you on this. If I had ever felt my teenage son needed very close watching because of a serious illness, I might have told him to move over so I could keep a close watch on him, but not as a nightly thing.

KPM, your comment about people saying that Gladys changed a lot after Elvis was born makes me wonder if she had post-partum depression? That can sometimes be a condition after giving birth for some women that may or may not disappear on it's own without medication or phsyciatric therapy. It's just a thought.......

Diane

[KPM]

My feeling is that Gladys took her over-protectiveness a little too far. Any kid growing up needs some breathing space, other than that, I think she was a pretty good mom.

I'm kind of in the middle of all of you on this. If I had ever felt my teenage son needed very close watching because of a serious illness, I might have told him to move over so I could keep a close watch on him, but not as a nightly thing.

KPM, your comment about people saying that Gladys changed a lot after Elvis was born makes me wonder if she had post-partum depression? That can sometimes be a condition after giving birth for some women that may or may not disappear on it's own without medication or phsyciatric therapy. It's just a thought.......

Diane
You are right, today thats what it would be called, but she evidently never got over it-it just seems to have got worse. So many things to consider when you talk about someones life and what makes them tick. IMO Its easy to make quick surface judgements with no look any deeper. I just can not do that. Sometimes I wish I could.:blush:

[Merry]

You are right, today thats what it would be called, but she evidently never got over it-it just seems to have got worse. So many things to consider when you talk about someones life and what makes them tick. IMO Its easy to make quick surface judgements with no look any deeper. I just can not do that. Sometimes I wish I could.:blush:


It would be 100% natural, in my opinion, nothing worse than things happening to your children. I would say, without doubt, I would have. :'( Good point, Diane, and KPM.

Kimmi

[Diane]

I just think it's terribly sad that in those times neither Gladys nor Elvis got the proper medical help. I realize it wasn't there to be had, but it's still sad.

Diane

[Merry]

I just think it's terribly sad that in those times neither Gladys nor Elvis got the proper medical help. I realize it wasn't there to be had, but it's still sad.

Diane


You know, Diane, the stories from older women, from those times, what they had to go through, how it still affected them in their golden years, with their troubles, babies, men, etc.

Also, from what I understand and certainly a lot of people of those times, it also wasn't "proper" to discuss what hurt, or feelings of what they were going through (airing dirty laundry in public) and those same people too, it was the culture to appear as if everything was as perfect, as they could make it.

Imagine?

Kimmi

[Diane]

Yes you're right Jess, they had to keep too much to themselves on a personal level and so none of their emotional problems could get solved. The pretense of "everything is fine" must have put quite a burden on them too - they had no place to release frustrations, worries or hurts.

Diane

[KPM]

The trouble seems to be many don't see how different culture and lifestyles were back in those days. Now you can go to your computer and look up any subject in an instance. In those days your life was the town you were in and the street you lived on. Its hard to look back and really comprehend how different it was. Especially to younger people I think.

[Diane]

I agree KPM.....I was there. I find there are good and bad things in both times - then and now. Things seem to have gone to extremes. In those days everything was hush-hush and in these days people don't know when to keep things to themselves. Wonder if we'll ever hit a balance.:blink:

I always thought that there was more understanding and compassion today in the world, but in some of these threads, I find no such thing.:supriced:

Diane

[Merry]

The trouble seems to be many don't see how different culture and lifestyles were back in those days. Now you can go to your computer and look up any subject in an instance. In those days your life was the town you were in and the street you lived on. Its hard to look back and really comprehend how different it was. Especially to younger people I think.



Hi KPM,

Well said.

You know, I've been in some lovely ladies' kitchens, who have shared their life, how it was in the War, the Depression, loosing babies, being alone, their husband at War, no money, rations.

Afraid of who will come to the door, giving bad news, where is the next meal coming from? Where in fact is their husband? (Of course they couldn't know, it was War).

Loved ones who couldn't handle it, killing themselves. Improper care, loosing babies when born, or in the womb, still births, premature births. The list goes on. I admire these woman (while they had to keep their chins up).

How could they release if they couldn't talk to anyone? Take a drink? Better than facing it, and doing what others did. They were stronger.

In my opinion, unless a woman has lost a child herself, (I've spent time with people in this situation, too, and I still can't imagine :'().

I admire Gladys, always will, she reminds me of my nana.

Kimmi

[KPM]

You are right, but not just the lack of understanding- but the will and desire to try and understand things never experienced The lack of seeing the other side even when it goes against personal belief. Extremes-like nothing ever might sit dead center.

[The King's Queen]

Diane, Kimmi, KPM...all of you have wonderful posts...:clap: The effects of life back in the day...say 40's - 50's...has been lost to the younger generation. And it is not their fault, as it is hard to imagine the way things were, especially (as Diane pointed out) when things are WAY different now. It's amazing to me that they even managed to survive...and thriving was practically out of the question! I remember the sacrifices that my Mother made for her kids. Going without clothes to put decent stuff on our backs...waiting until we were through eating before she took her plate to eat. All of this is proof of what women went through for their families...and it was tough on them. So when I say that Gladys did a good job with Elvis...I mean that she did the very best that she could do considering the circumstances. I believe she loved him more than life...and yes, that probably meant that she was terribly over-protective...but given a choice between over-protective and purely neglectfull...I'd take Gladys' stand any day....:)

[Diane]

I fully agree with you Queenie, I'd much rather see an over-protective mother than one who is unconcerned or neglects her child any day!

You know, as hard as we try, no mother ever gets it just right. We've all leaned a little too much one way or the other, but a child needs loving and cuddling and re-assurance to be able to grow up , be confident and give back the same some day. In that way, I think Gladys did real well. Her only problem as I see it was that she projected her worries and fears too much on him and as a result, even as a little kid he felt he had to "make it all better" for her - too big a burden for a small child and I think it carried on to all the gift giving he continued doing later on in life. He felt he had to take care of everyone - again too much for one human being.

Diane

[The King's Queen]

You have a very valid point Diane. Children shouldn't be burdened with adult worries, and if they are on a continual basis, it could carry over into their adult lives. Elvis did assume too much responsibility for his family and those he cared for. I call that the "Caretaker syndrome"...and I know, because I suffer from it. Largely in part due to an alcoholic father, but I have moved past that, thankfully. However, it always lingers, ever ready to make you feel guilty if someone isn't cared for properly or as happy as you think they should be. It's tough to manage these types of things. Perhaps that is why I can understand the sort of burden he carried. It was too much for him, I agree.

Lea

[Getlo]

Oh dear :doh:

There isn't anything sexual with children, parents parent, support, love, cherish and parent!

Children still have nightmares, insecurities, they are children!

What part of "I'm not suggesting any form of perversion, though" did you not get from my post?

:doh::doh::doh::doh::hmm:

[Getlo]

my older brothers who are in there 30's jump in bed and fall asleep with my mom(NOTHING SEXUAL).

I have no words ...

[Getlo]

Sweetie,

Wait till your boy gets older, comes in, in tears (which isn't like him) and says "...... are chasing me", or the like.

Or, he is so sick, that you have to watch him.

Hugs you
Kimmi

Then you tell them that there are no "......" chasing them; have a glass of water and get straight back to sleep. No mucking about.
And if they are sick, check on them periodically. Or call a doctor. If they are over six or so, there is no good reason to be sharing a bed with a child.
It is out and out mollycoddling.

[Merry]

Then you tell them that there are no "......" chasing them; have a glass of water and get straight back to sleep. No mucking about.
And if they are sick, check on them periodically. Or call a doctor. If they are over six or so, there is no good reason to be sharing a bed with a child.
It is out and out mollycoddling.


Well, lol, I can see how we would get on, rofl :cold:

Oh, he was suspected of having menangitis, no, I wouldn't ever neglect my child and check on him periodically, when that ill.

Do you have any children?

[ksimms2]

Yall are making a big deal out of this.
we should make a big deal out of, lets say... GLOBAL WARMING!
=D its a big problem.
love peace and hair grease my dudes!

cute Megann! Hey, where in Florida do you live? I live in Homosassa, FL (Citrus County) are you anywhere close? Welcome to the group by the way I see you are new.....:D

[Diane]

I think what Getlo is trying to say Jess is that children also need to be taught to take care of themselves little by little as they grow up as well as knowing they are loved and protected. Mama's boys don't make the best husbands and think the whole world should take care of them like mama did when they are adults......and it's not going to happen.

Diane

[presley31]

I think what Getlo is trying to say Jess is that children also need to be taught to take care of themselves little by little as they grow up as well as knowing they are loved and protected. Mama's boys don't make the best husbands and think the whole world should take care of them like mama did when they are adults......and it's not going to happen.

Diane

Well said diane, your right on with that post.

[Merry]

I think what Getlo is trying to say Jess is that children also need to be taught to take care of themselves little by little as they grow up as well as knowing they are loved and protected. Mama's boys don't make the best husbands and think the whole world should take care of them like mama did when they are adults......and it's not going to happen.

Diane


Thanks Diane,

My boy isn't a "mama's boy" lol. He wanted a bucking horse for Christmas last year, to break in (y). He cooks, etc., etc., I'm "preparing" him, hehe.

Kimmi

P.S. These were isolated occasions I was referring to, and I still don't see anything wrong with consoling your child, when things like that happen, the occasions I referred to, weren't recent, either.

[Getlo]

I think what Getlo is trying to say Jess is that children also need to be taught to take care of themselves little by little as they grow up as well as knowing they are loved and protected.

Exactly.

I do not have children, and never will. I made the choice even before I could remember that I would never have them. I like the fact that I can do whatever I want whenever I want in my life, and not have to worry about anyone else. As the gay people say (and no, I'm not gay either!) "The family tree stops with me!!"

And don't presume that, because I am not a father, that I would not know how to raise a child properly. I would raise them as my mother raised me ... free of babying and mollycoddling beyond a certain age. The last time I slept in the same bed as either or both of my parents was around four or five. Anything beyond that is totally unnatural, IMO.

[Diane]

No Jess, I wasn't suggesting that your son was a mama's boy. Elvis was but only to a point. I've known quite a few that were much more so and their wives are tearing their hair out.

Diane

[Merry]

No Jess, I wasn't suggesting that your son was a mama's boy. Elvis was but only to a point. I've known quite a few that were much more so and their wives are tearing their hair out.

Diane



Thanks Diane, yes I can imagine (re the wives tearing their hair out)!

Hugs,
Kimmi

[ksimms2]

I think what Getlo is trying to say Jess is that children also need to be taught to take care of themselves little by little as they grow up as well as knowing they are loved and protected. Mama's boys don't make the best husbands and think the whole world should take care of them like mama did when they are adults......and it's not going to happen.

Diane

great way of explaining it Diane! (y)

[Merry]

Exactly.

I do not have children, and never will. I made the choice even before I could remember that I would never have them. I like the fact that I can do whatever I want whenever I want in my life, and not have to worry about anyone else. As the gay people say (and no, I'm not gay either!) "The family tree stops with me!!"

And don't presume that, because I am not a father, that I would not know how to raise a child properly. I would raise them as my mother raised me ... free of babying and mollycoddling beyond a certain age. The last time I slept in the same bed as either or both of my parents was around four or five. Anything beyond that is totally unnatural, IMO.


You know, before I was a mother, I thought raising children was easy.

[presley31]

we all have different views jess, maybe we should all keep that in mind.

[Merry]

we all have different views jess, maybe we should all keep that in mind.


Thanks hon.

[The King's Queen]

Not much to say about the "momma's boy" thing...:hmm: but I was once told by an older female "When you find a man that is good to his Mother, really respects her, and treats her kindly, you have found a man that will do the same with his wife". I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule...but so far, I've found that to be a pretty accurate statement...(y)

[Diane]

Have to disagree with you there Lea. Have known a couple of men who still put mama first before their wives.....mama calls and that's all she wrote!

Diane

[presley31]

l have to agree with you diane, they haven't cut the apron strings yet.

[The King's Queen]

Well, like I said, I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule. ;)

[Merry]

Not much to say about the "momma's boy" thing...:hmm: but I was once told by an older female "When you find a man that is good to his Mother, really respects her, and treats her kindly, you have found a man that will do the same with his wife". I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule...but so far, I've found that to be a pretty accurate statement...(y)



That is so true.

May I go further to say, that I would hope, that if a mother shows tenderness and understanding, that in turn, her son will, too, to this wife. Sometimes generally speaking, people are just too hard, and it isn't necessary.

I disagree so strongly with what srj says re how to treat your child, if the child is under duress and reaches out, I guess "horses for courses" huh?

Hugs,
Kimmi

[presley31]

heheheh@jess
srj hmmmm

[Merry]

Have to disagree with you there Lea. Have known a couple of men who still put mama first before their wives.....mama calls and that's all she wrote!

Diane



Yes..................GROAN!

[KPM]

As I have mentioned before, my father commited suicide-my mom was not what most would consider a good mom. I wish she had been a little more concerned about me and my brothers when we were growing up. I actually enrolled myself into junior high because my mom said she needed to enroll the others in grade school-after one of the 33 moves we made while I was at home. It occured to me she could have enrolled me later in the day or even the next. But she just dropped me off and said "tell them I'll call a little later today" She was the opposite of Gladys so I don't know how to relate to someone whos overprotective. Either extreme I guess would have consequences.

[ksimms2]

As I have mentioned before, my father commited suicide-my mom was not what most would consider a good mom. I wish she had been a little more concerned about me and my brothers when we were growing up. I actually enrolled myself into junior high because my mom said she needed to enroll the others in grade school-after one of the 33 moves we made while I was at home. It occured to me she could have enrolled me later in the day or even the next. But she just dropped me off and said "tell them I'll call a little later today" She was the opposite of Gladys so I don't know how to relate to someone whos overprotective. Either extreme I guess would have consequences.

wow KPM that's tough, I'm so sorry you had to go through that.....:'(

[KPM]

Its no big deal-just points of reference in my life.

[ksimms2]

but going through something like that, I think, makes you a better person because you've seen the worst.....ya know? Either way....I'm very sorry.....I hope you've come through it okay.

[KPM]

but going through something like that, I think, makes you a better person because you've seen the worst.....ya know? Either way....I'm very sorry.....I hope you've come through it okay.

A lot of people that know me would debate how well I've come through my life so far, but I will say it gives me a great capacity to try and understand others-I can honestly say I believe- part of what makes a person who they are is where they have come from and how it affected them. IMO

[Diane]

Either extreme of negligence or over-protectiveness can be hard on a child and it's hard for a mother to find the balance. None of us ever quite get it as that would be perfection and there is no such thing. I just keep hoping that at least the majority of us come close.

Diane

[ksimms2]

I have a 10yr old daughter and I'm protective for sure....I don't let her stay just anywhere and I don't just let anybody babysit her if I need a sitter....needless to say she is spoiled. But I hope I also let her know the realities of the world and not shelter her.....but at the same time....trying to keep her innocent for as long as I can......

[Gary1]

jess

Teenagers should not be sleeping with there parents, thats wrong all acconts. Yes it is wrong.But the one thing i will say is this. I've only ever heard one person who said that Elvis did and that was Dee Stanley.And i personaly wouldn't believe her if she told me what todays date is.:angry::angry:

[Getlo]

heheheh@jess
srj hmmmm

What are you people talking about? If you're going to accuse me of being a former poster, just come right out and say it ... ;)

I checked srj1976's old posts after someone else made the same accusation. As far as I can see, he/she is still an active member who also happens to live in the same time zone - but not the same city - as me, so I really don't know what you're on about. Someone PMed me and said srj was banned for speaking his mind?

I think perhaps you're paranoid because (shock, horror) many of my opinions agree with his/hers ... and many others on this forum.

Like srj, I prefer being direct, and I do not believe that is a crime.

For your information, I discovered this forum a few weeks ago, and it looked like a place where people could express their opinions relatively freely. I do hope I am not mistaken with this assertion.

[joanne]

Gladys was a beautiful woman. I loved hearing her speaking voice for the first time.

[riley]

so true things are said here.
I often tell my teenage daughter.
When you meet a boy, look how he acts towards his mother and you will see how he will be towards you.

[Natalie]

[/COLOR]
I think the Presleys have an abusive gene!!


Dont you mean addictive gene? *smiles*

[Natalie]

harsh. we are discussing things...that is what the forum is about. The what if's and could've, should've, would've......we all wish Elvis were still with us....that's all there is to it. Sorry you have a problem with it - if you do - then probably you will have a problem with all the forums because they are all like this......we all have our opinions on his life and death.

very well said:D

[ColinB]

"Abusive" might be too strong of a word to use...

I'd say that Gladys and Elvis both had a "self-destructive" manner about themselves....Elvis even admitted that he was "self-destructive to Linda Thompson, I believe.

Elvis & his mother had 'addictive personality traits'.

I think that's the way to put it...............

[ksimms2]

I just read in Revelations of The Memphis Mafia that not too much after Elvis first went in the Army Gladys started getting sick. She was turning yellow from jaundice. It was brought to his attention that she needed a doctor, and he shrugged it off saying, "she's okay"...I guess not wanting to admit there was a problem. Then things got worse and they finally took her to the hospital. Once in the hospital they shipped her back to Memphis because she was so bad. Elvis got the call from his Dad to come home because his mom wasn't doing so well. He went to get a pass for leave and the captain was giving him a hard time. Elvis told the captain in no uncertain terms he had to go home because of his mom being so sick and he was going whether he got permission or not....and he told the captain and first thing I'm going to do is give a press conference and tell them you would not let me leave.....captain got his pass right away. Elvis was in denial because he thought she would be okay. He went to the movies the night she died....Gladys told him to go to the movies that she would be okay. Vernon called the house at 3am (I think) and was crying that she was gone. Elvis freaked out....and they drove to the hospital and Elvis didn't even put the car in park just jumped out of it and it hit a wall....Elvis ran in that hospital and just cried like a baby....he couldn't believe she was gone...he wouldn't believe it and wanted to see for himself....Vernon said she woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't hardly breath. They said she had a heart attack. But she was in the hospital for Hep C. (Vissie, correct me if I got any of this wrong, I can't remember which MM was with him...Lamar Fike or Marty Lacker or Billy Smith)

[Broussey]

She died bcause it was her time to go home..... Pluse i think she was just not happy she sure dident look happy... and yes i know what the cause of her death was but when you think about it it was just her time

[marijaep]

I just read in Revelations of The Memphis Mafia that not too much after Elvis first went in the Army Gladys started getting sick. She was turning yellow from jaundice. It was brought to his attention that she needed a doctor, and he shrugged it off saying, "she's okay"...I guess not wanting to admit there was a problem. Then things got worse and they finally took her to the hospital. Once in the hospital they shipped her back to Memphis because she was so bad. Elvis got the call from his Dad to come home because his mom wasn't doing so well. He went to get a pass for leave and the captain was giving him a hard time. Elvis told the captain in no uncertain terms he had to go home because of his mom being so sick and he was going whether he got permission or not....and he told the captain and first thing I'm going to do is give a press conference and tell them you would not let me leave.....captain got his pass right away. Elvis was in denial because he thought she would be okay. He went to the movies the night she died....Gladys told him to go to the movies that she would be okay. Vernon called the house at 3am (I think) and was crying that she was gone. Elvis freaked out....and they drove to the hospital and Elvis didn't even put the car in park just jumped out of it and it hit a wall....Elvis ran in that hospital and just cried like a baby....he couldn't believe she was gone...he wouldn't believe it and wanted to see for himself....Vernon said she woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't hardly breath. They said she had a heart attack. But she was in the hospital for Hep C. (Vissie, correct me if I got any of this wrong, I can't remember which MM was with him...Lamar Fike or Marty Lacker or Billy Smith)

Thanks for that :'(
There's a sad part about the funeral in Last Train To Memphis too...:'(

[BrianK]

I don't think that whatever Gladys died from it happened because Elvis became famous or Elvis joined the Army. It is apparent that she was sick for a long time before that, If anything Elvis success was a plus for her family. If you look at the pictures, of the early years, of her moving into Graceland etc. there is a sadness in her face that shows in my opinion long term physical or emotional suffering. If she died of a broken heart it was broke a long, long time, bless her soul.

[Memory]

I had reading to much Pills with Alkohol.Acute Hepatitis and a Heart attack,I think.It was difficult for her that Elvis was a very famous person and she wants to be thinner and
she wants to look beautiful for Elvis.The same Problems like Elvis many years later and he get it from the Gen(I think so).She was in hospital,there are people to can help,but ist was nothing to do.Perhaps doctors and nurses could helped immediately,but there was nobody.It s somehow sadly.:supriced: