Something my girlfriend told me last night

[EP75]

Since there has been so much talk about the new expansion plans at Graceland, me and my girl were discussing my blog last and about those changes. She really likes it and finds it all interesting. She was saying how from all of the things she has heard lately from me, and the media about the plans for Graceland that she wants to go there BUT after they make the changes in the next couple of years. She told me back in January of this year that she wanted to go see Graceland this year and we had talked of going during EP Week for the 30th. But after the talks began about the plans for a "New Graceland" within the next 3 years, I convinced her to wait. There would be much more to see and do and enjoy more of after the changes. So she agreed and we're going to wait. I told her we would just be waisting our money if we went now or before any of the changes have been made. As it is right now nothing there can compare with what it will look like in the next 2-3 years. She agreed and we have decided that once the changes are done, then we will go to Graceland and take in the "Ultimate Elvis Experience"!(y)

My point for this topic is that for someone like us, it's best to wait and save our money for the new expansions to be finished before visiting. For the older fans I can understand not wanting to wait. But for the younger ones, I personally think it's best to wait. Graceland will still be the same then as it is today. The only thing that will be new and changed is the area around it. It will be a new experience for all like never before with new attractions filled with fun, enjoyment and a learning experience for the whole family. Anna is 23 and is the type where "more to do and see equals bigger and better and more fun" just as I am. That's what makes u compatible.(y)

Also I expect the changes to all be complete by the next big anniversary celebration in 2012. I expect the new visitors center and museum to be opened by the summer of 2009 and the groundbreaking on the new convention hotel by 2009 and opened by 2011. I figure they will start groundbreaking and construction on the new VC sometime early next year if not within the next few months now that everything is a go. The who VC complex will probably take anywhere from 16-20 months to complete. Bob Sillerman wants this to happen ASAP so that the quicker they get things done the quicker they bring in a profit, up tourism, and launch EP into a newer generation and can do the things they want and plan to do. Besides that's what it's all about. To keep EP relevant and a hot commodity, and preserved for generations to come.(y)

[The King's Queen]

:hmm: Isn't this already on another thread? :doh:

[ksimms2]

If you wait, you will be missing out on the original point of Graceland and the meditation gardens where Elvis is buried. It's fine to go once the new stuff is done - but I wish you'd experience it the it is now.....I think you'll eventually regret it if you don't. Just my opinion.

[EP75]

Sorry I tried to delete this but I couldn't find the right buttons. I already have been there and experienced the atmosphere around there back in 1994. And have talked to some who have been there since and it hasn't changed a bit since I was there. All that has changed is Minni Mae's bedroom is part of the tour on the first level. And the Sirius booth has been added. Everything else is practically what it was before I ever went and what it was back in the 80's even. So there's nothing new for me to see. And as I said, Anna is like me when it comes to "wow" attractions. More to see and do means more fun and excitement.

[The King's Queen]

Sorry I tried to delete this but I couldn't find the right buttons. I already have been there and experienced the atmosphere around there back in 1994. And have talked to some who have been there since and it hasn't changed a bit since I was there. All that has changed is Minni Mae's bedroom is part of the tour on the first level. And the Sirius booth has been added. Everything else is practically what it was before I ever went and what it was back in the 80's even. So there's nothing new for me to see. And as I said, Anna is like me when it comes to "wow" attractions. More to see and do means more fun and excitement.

With all due respect EP75 to both you and your girlfriend, but herein lies the conflict...not everyone goes in for the "wow"...:hmm: Some just want the original atmosphere and surroundings. Not that cleaning up is a bad thing, as I have repeatedly said. It is just the "wow" factor that bothers me...:doh:...think of it like this: We get "wowwed" now for the younger generation...then they grow up and get bored and they need to be "wowwed"...then it all changes again. If you can understand where I am going with this, then perhaps you will be able to understand the reasons why some of us feel that it needs to be left alone. Eventually, I'm afraid that the "wow" will overshadow the legend...if you get my drift. And no, not because I feel that Elvis won't continue on his own merit...but because eventually people may start to think "That place has just gotten too commercial" and then what happens? Odds are that if Graceland would suddenly quit turning a handsome profit...it would be closed to the public. So again, I ask you...Is this all about Elvis? Or all about the many ways to keep the money rolling in?? Guess we just see it differently...:blink:

[ksimms2]

With all due respect EP75 to both you and your girlfriend, but herein lies the conflict...not everyone goes in for the "wow"...:hmm: Some just want the original atmosphere and surroundings. Not that cleaning up is a bad thing, as I have repeatedly said. It is just the "wow" factor that bothers me...:doh:...think of it like this: We get "wowwed" now for the younger generation...then they grow up and get bored and they need to be "wowwed"...then it all changes again. If you can understand where I am going with this, then perhaps you will be able to understand the reasons why some of us feel that it needs to be left alone. Eventually, I'm afraid that the "wow" will overshadow the legend...if you get my drift. And no, not because I feel that Elvis won't continue on his own merit...but because eventually people may start to think "That place has just gotten too commercial" and then what happens? Odds are that if Graceland would suddenly quit turning a handsome profit...it would be closed to the public. So again, I ask you...Is this all about Elvis? Or all about the many ways to keep the money rolling in?? Guess we just see it differently...:blink:

COMPLETELY AGREE MY FRIEND! (y)

[The King's Queen]

COMPLETELY AGREE MY FRIEND! (y)

Thanks Kelly...(y)

[Miss Clawdy]

With all due respect EP75 to both you and your girlfriend, but herein lies the conflict...not everyone goes in for the "wow"...:hmm: Some just want the original atmosphere and surroundings. Not that cleaning up is a bad thing, as I have repeatedly said. It is just the "wow" factor that bothers me...:doh:...think of it like this: We get "wowwed" now for the younger generation...then they grow up and get bored and they need to be "wowwed"...then it all changes again. If you can understand where I am going with this, then perhaps you will be able to understand the reasons why some of us feel that it needs to be left alone. Eventually, I'm afraid that the "wow" will overshadow the legend...if you get my drift. And no, not because I feel that Elvis won't continue on his own merit...but because eventually people may start to think "That place has just gotten too commercial" and then what happens? Odds are that if Graceland would suddenly quit turning a handsome profit...it would be closed to the public. So again, I ask you...Is this all about Elvis? Or all about the many ways to keep the money rolling in?? Guess we just see it differently...:blink:

Completely agree as well(y)

[The King's Queen]

Completely agree as well(y)


Thanks :!: :hug:

[EP75]

With all due respect EP75 to both you and your girlfriend, but herein lies the conflict...not everyone goes in for the "wow"...:hmm: Some just want the original atmosphere and surroundings. Not that cleaning up is a bad thing, as I have repeatedly said. It is just the "wow" factor that bothers me...:doh:...think of it like this: We get "wowwed" now for the younger generation...then they grow up and get bored and they need to be "wowwed"...then it all changes again. If you can understand where I am going with this, then perhaps you will be able to understand the reasons why some of us feel that it needs to be left alone. Eventually, I'm afraid that the "wow" will overshadow the legend...if you get my drift. And no, not because I feel that Elvis won't continue on his own merit...but because eventually people may start to think "That place has just gotten too commercial" and then what happens? Odds are that if Graceland would suddenly quit turning a handsome profit...it would be closed to the public. So again, I ask you...Is this all about Elvis? Or all about the many ways to keep the money rolling in?? Guess we just see it differently...:blink:

You make good points. But let me point some things out.

1)EP isn't getting younger. But his fans are. However it has been the original fans that were there or born during his rein that makes the legend continue. What would happen if Graceland stayed the same and Bob Sillerman wasn't involved? It would eventually grow old and outdated as it is becoming now and would have to close due to lack of visitors. This however would come once the originals were gone and that would be within the next 10 years. EP would have been 72 himself. So imagine the fans who followed him since the 50's. they too are up there in age.

2)Graceland claims that more than half of it's visitors are 35 or younger. However that does not mean that even a half of the percentage is teenagers. There plan is to draw is bigger overall numbers and by making the place a "wow"experience those numbers will grow.

3)Kids go to Disneyland or Disney World and get wowed. But they never grow out of that phase either. EP is like that with his fans. Once you get hooked you're hooked for life. But how many kids actually are hooked on EP today? That's what you got to remember.

4)Graceland isn't a home anymore. It's not been a home since Delta Presley died. It's a national historical landmark and tourist attraction. It's not just for fans to go and visit his grave. It's a place to go and see the history and legacy he left behind. It's a museum practically. But the new plans call for it to be restored back to it's originality. Which should be a blessing to the die hard fans.

5)By making the changes and expanding it to give it that fan appeal and popularity that Disney has will only make it a bigger hit than it is today. Never do I see a commercial about visiting Graceland. But I see Disney all the time. That's what Bob Sillerman wants with Graceland. To be a major attraction to all ages and races. Graceland really doesn't have that appeal going for it today.

6)The "wow" affect will only make visitors want to stay and come back for more. Having the extra land and down the road they can expand even more to create even more new attractions.

7)There are hi-tech state of the art museums all over the world for historical figures. But there isn't one official museum for EP not even at Graceland. And now there are plans for a hi-tech interactive museum for visitors to discover and learn all about the man, and yet some holler. Go figure.

[Miss Clawdy]

Sorry I tried to delete this but I couldn't find the right buttons. I already have been there and experienced the atmosphere around there back in 1994. And have talked to some who have been there since and it hasn't changed a bit since I was there. All that has changed is Minni Mae's bedroom is part of the tour on the first level. And the Sirius booth has been added. Everything else is practically what it was before I ever went and what it was back in the 80's even. So there's nothing new for me to see. And as I said, Anna is like me when it comes to "wow" attractions. More to see and do means more fun and excitement.

I'd like to ask you why it has to be Graceland where you need to find your "wow" attractions? As you have already been there and you obviously don't want to visit this boring place again and your friend doesn't seem to be an Elvis fan, are there no other already existing "wow" attraction places you could visit?
I am just curious:hmm:

[ksimms2]

You make good points. But let me point some things out.

1)EP isn't getting younger. But his fans are. However it has been the original fans that were there or born during his rein that makes the legend continue. What would happen if Graceland stayed the same and Bob Sillerman wasn't involved? It would eventually grow old and outdated as it is becoming now and would have to close due to lack of visitors. This however would come once the originals were gone and that would be within the next 10 years. EP would have been 72 himself. So imagine the fans who followed him since the 50's. they too are up there in age.

2)Graceland claims that more than half of it's visitors are 35 or younger. However that does not mean that even a half of the percentage is teenagers. There plan is to draw is bigger overall numbers and by making the place a "wow"experience those numbers will grow.

3)Kids go to Disneyland or Disney World and get wowed. But they never grow out of that phase either. EP is like that with his fans. Once you get hooked you're hooked for life. But how many kids actually are hooked on EP today? That's what you got to remember.

4)Graceland isn't a home anymore. It's not been a home since Delta Presley died. It's a national historical landmark and tourist attraction. It's not just for fans to go and visit his grave. It's a place to go and see the history and legacy he left behind. It's a museum practically. But the new plans call for it to be restored back to it's originality. Which should be a blessing to the die hard fans.

5)By making the changes and expanding it to give it that fan appeal and popularity that Disney has will only make it a bigger hit than it is today. Never do I see a commercial about visiting Graceland. But I see Disney all the time. That's what Bob Sillerman wants with Graceland. To be a major attraction to all ages and races. Graceland really doesn't have that appeal going for it today.

6)The "wow" affect will only make visitors want to stay and come back for more. Having the extra land and down the road they can expand even more to create even more new attractions.

7)There are hi-tech state of the art museums all over the world for historical figures. But there isn't one official museum for EP not even at Graceland. And now there are plans for a hi-tech interactive museum for visitors to discover and learn all about the man, and yet some holler. Go figure.

Okay, I can give credit where it's due - he does make a good point - especially about us "older fans :angry:" not being around much longer :blink: and I especially like it if they are going to restore Graceland back to it's original state...decor, etc. BUT they better leave it at that inside those hallowed grounds our man is buried in......they can do whatever else outside those precious gates.....

[Diane]

Here's another one in complete agreement with you Queenie. This continuation of "WoW" stuff is going to breed a bunch of no imagination, no brains generation if it keeps up. From what I hear from my sister who is a high school teacher, between that and the drugs, it's well on it's way already.

Diane

[EP75]

Okay, I can give credit where it's due - he does make a good point - especially about us "older fans :angry:" not being around much longer :blink: and I especially like it if they are going to restore Graceland back to it's original state...decor, etc. BUT they better leave it at that inside those hallowed grounds our man is buried in......they can do whatever else outside those precious gates.....

You're seeing the light.(y)

[The King's Queen]

You make good points. But let me point some things out.

1)EP isn't getting younger. But his fans are. However it has been the original fans that were there or born during his rein that makes the legend continue. What would happen if Graceland stayed the same and Bob Sillerman wasn't involved? It would eventually grow old and outdated as it is becoming now and would have to close due to lack of visitors. This however would come once the originals were gone and that would be within the next 10 years. EP would have been 72 himself. So imagine the fans who followed him since the 50's. they too are up there in age.

2)Graceland claims that more than half of it's visitors are 35 or younger. However that does not mean that even a half of the percentage is teenagers. There plan is to draw is bigger overall numbers and by making the place a "wow"experience those numbers will grow.

3)Kids go to Disneyland or Disney World and get wowed. But they never grow out of that phase either. EP is like that with his fans. Once you get hooked you're hooked for life. But how many kids actually are hooked on EP today? That's what you got to remember.

4)Graceland isn't a home anymore. It's not been a home since Delta Presley died. It's a national historical landmark and tourist attraction. It's not just for fans to go and visit his grave. It's a place to go and see the history and legacy he left behind. It's a museum practically. But the new plans call for it to be restored back to it's originality. Which should be a blessing to the die hard fans.

5)By making the changes and expanding it to give it that fan appeal and popularity that Disney has will only make it a bigger hit than it is today. Never do I see a commercial about visiting Graceland. But I see Disney all the time. That's what Bob Sillerman wants with Graceland. To be a major attraction to all ages and races. Graceland really doesn't have that appeal going for it today.

6)The "wow" affect will only make visitors want to stay and come back for more. Having the extra land and down the road they can expand even more to create even more new attractions.

7)There are hi-tech state of the art museums all over the world for historical figures. But there isn't one official museum for EP not even at Graceland. And now there are plans for a hi-tech interactive museum for visitors to discover and learn all about the man, and yet some holler. Go figure.

Okay...it is rather apparent that we don't see this the same way...and we never will. But let me ask you...

A) If most of the tourist that visit Graceland are 35 or younger...why do they need to draw in a younger crowd?? What's next...a "It's Now Or Never" potty chair??? Not meaning to be sarcastic...it just doesn't make sense to me...

B) I remember Disney..yes, there was a Disney back then..lol...and even though my memories are fond...I don't cruise the Disney websites everyday like I do this forum. To compare Elvis and Disney makes no sense to me. Two completely different catagories, and no where near the same appeal...

C) Restoring Graceland to it's original state is great. I just highly doubt that those who visit Graceland are there because it is a landmark, historical site, ect...they are there because it was and still is Elvis' home. He lived there...loved it there...and now he rests there. IMO, it is still a "home"...just by a different definition I suppose.

D) Sillerman is looking at dollar $$$...otherwise he would realize that age and race have never been an issue among Elvis fans. For instance, if you would look at this forum you would find all different ages...all different backgrounds, and all different races.

EP75...I see where you are coming from. You have made your case. I respect your opinions. Now then, please try to respect mine...I don't think Elvis has to have a big elaborate hi-tech museum to be remembered....Go figure. (n)

[Miss Clawdy]

Okay...it is rather apparent that we don't see this the same way...and we never will. But let me ask you...

A) If most of the tourist that visit Graceland are 35 or younger...why do they need to draw in a younger crowd?? What's next...a "It's Now Or Never" potty chair??? Not meaning to be sarcastic...it just doesn't make sense to me...

B) I remember Disney..yes, there was a Disney back then..lol...and even though my memories are fond...I don't cruise the Disney websites everyday like I do this forum. To compare Elvis and Disney makes no sense to me. Two completely different catagories, and no where near the same appeal...

C) Restoring Graceland to it's original state is great. I just highly doubt that those who visit Graceland are there because it is a landmark, historical site, ect...they are there because it was and still is Elvis' home. He lived there...loved it there...and now he rests there. IMO, it is still a "home"...just by a different definition I suppose.

D) Sillerman is looking at dollar $$$...otherwise he would realize that age and race have never been an issue among Elvis fans. For instance, if you would look at this forum you would find all different ages...all different backgrounds, and all different races.

EP75...I see where you are coming from. You have made your case. I respect your opinions. Now then, please try to respect mine...I don't think Elvis has to have a big elaborate hi-tech museum to be remembered....Go figure. (n)

Again, completely agree (y)

[EP75]

I'd like to ask you why it has to be Graceland where you need to find your "wow" attractions? As you have already been there and you obviously don't want to visit this boring place again and your friend doesn't seem to be an Elvis fan, are there no other already existing "wow" attraction places you could visit?
I am just curious:hmm:

First off don't come at me in some kind of attack mode.:mad: Second the wow affect wasn't my idea but Bob Sillerman's. His own words at that. Yes me, my girlfriend and others my age and younger happen to like to be wowed by attractions. I don't get wowed at looking at unattractive buildings or surroundings. I got wowed a little at the first sight of Graceland. But after the tour and visiting the plaza, I wasn't wowed except for the cars and the planes. I was expecting more than was there. I know if I took Anna today to Graceland she would not be overwhelmed as some of you die hard fans are when you see it. She might enjoy it. but she wouldn't be wowed. I can assure that. So that was why I suggested we wait until the changes have been made. I'm sorry if you or anyone else has a problem with my own personal choices that I make in my life.:mad:

[EP75]

Okay...it is rather apparent that we don't see this the same way...and we never will. But let me ask you...

A) If most of the tourist that visit Graceland are 35 or younger...why do they need to draw in a younger crowd?? What's next...a "It's Now Or Never" potty chair??? Not meaning to be sarcastic...it just doesn't make sense to me...

B) I remember Disney..yes, there was a Disney back then..lol...and even though my memories are fond...I don't cruise the Disney websites everyday like I do this forum. To compare Elvis and Disney makes no sense to me. Two completely different catagories, and no where near the same appeal...

C) Restoring Graceland to it's original state is great. I just highly doubt that those who visit Graceland are there because it is a landmark, historical site, ect...they are there because it was and still is Elvis' home. He lived there...loved it there...and now he rests there. IMO, it is still a "home"...just by a different definition I suppose.

D) Sillerman is looking at dollar $$$...otherwise he would realize that age and race have never been an issue among Elvis fans. For instance, if you would look at this forum you would find all different ages...all different backgrounds, and all different races.

EP75...I see where you are coming from. You have made your case. I respect your opinions. Now then, please try to respect mine...I don't think Elvis has to have a big elaborate hi-tech museum to be remembered....Go figure. (n)

To simply answer your questions.

A)To lure in newer and younger fans and visitors they have to spice it up, make it hip and attractive and I don't mean a hip hop appeal either. I mean make it fancy in it's surroundings. Nice facilities a la Disney complex such as Epcot. Make it fan friendly (something it lacks today). make it children and family oriented.

B)Disney and Graceland are prpbably as close as the two could be. Mickey and Disney. Elvis and Graceland. Both world figures. Mickey is the Elvis of animation. Elvis is the Mickey of the entertainment world. Sadly though the fans think this is a knock on him but it's not.

C)You're living in denial if you think the only reason people visit Graceland is due to it being just his home. Think again. Why do people visit the Grand canyon, statue of Liberty, or Pearl Harbor? Because it is a historical landmark just as Graceland is today. Simple as that.

D)Exactly what is at Graceland today that would attract black families besides it being a historical landmark? I don;t think you or others see the importance of those $$$$ signs in the future of keeping EP popular.

And I do respect your views. but most don;t respect or even try to comprehend mine or the actual plans for this amazing and honorable tribute to the man. And that bothers me as a true fan.(n)

[Fire-Eyes]

I've been to Graceland when i was 16. Now i'am 23, i am getting ?old? though i am still ?young?. When i was there in Memphis, the only thing i was focused in was Graceland not its environmental. I mean i wasn't looking for any "wows" at all, i was there just to pay my respect to the MAN himself and to experience his presence while visiting HIS HOME and HIS and HIS FAMILY?S GRAVES (may they rest in peace).

Though i am "young", i think everything should stay as they are. Because no one has to satisfy "new generation Elvis fans'" thirst but someone has to teach them how to respect and how to protect some values indeed.

I dont think any of the Elvis fans, if they really are fans i guess, do need the ?wow? effect to stay and come back for more, eventhough they are ?young?.

If it is inescapable to make those changes and turn the place into a big curcius for new generation, let them do it unless they STAY AWAY FROM THOSE GATES.

[ksimms2]

You're seeing the light.(y)

maybe..but you are still getting bonked on the head for that OLD remark! :doh:

[ksimms2]

I've been to Graceland when i was 16. Now i'am 23, i am getting ?old? though i am still ?young?. When i was there in Memphis, the only thing i was focused in was Graceland not its environmental. I mean i wasn't looking for any "wows" at all, i was there just to pay my respect to the MAN himself and to experience his presence while visiting HIS HOME and HIS and HIS FAMILY?S GRAVES (may they rest in peace).

Though i am "young", i think everything should stay as they are. Because no one has to satisfy "new generation Elvis fans'" thirst but someone has to teach them how to respect and how to protect some values indeed.

I dont think any of the Elvis fans, if they really are fans i guess, do need the ?wow? effect to stay and come back for more, eventhough they are ?young?.

If it is inescapable to make those changes and turn the place into a big curcius for new generation, let them do it unless they STAY AWAY FROM THOSE GATES.

Fire-Eyes, you are right on the money! I love your photo/avatar by the way.

[The King's Queen]

To simply answer your questions.

A)To lure in newer and younger fans and visitors they have to spice it up, make it hip and attractive and I don't mean a hip hop appeal either. I mean make it fancy in it's surroundings. Nice facilities a la Disney complex such as Epcot. Make it fan friendly (something it lacks today). make it children and family oriented.

B)Disney and Graceland are prpbably as close as the two could be. Mickey and Disney. Elvis and Graceland. Both world figures. Mickey is the Elvis of animation. Elvis is the Mickey of the entertainment world. Sadly though the fans think this is a knock on him but it's not.

C)You're living in denial if you think the only reason people visit Graceland is due to it being just his home. Think again. Why do people visit the Grand canyon, statue of Liberty, or Pearl Harbor? Because it is a historical landmark just as Graceland is today. Simple as that.

D)Exactly what is at Graceland today that would attract black families besides it being a historical landmark? I don;t think you or others see the importance of those $$$$ signs in the future of keeping EP popular.

And I do respect your views. but most don;t respect or even try to comprehend mine or the actual plans for this amazing and honorable tribute to the man. And that bothers me as a true fan.(n)

EP75...if I may take the liberty of explaining something to you, perhaps it would help. I really don't think it is the fact that people on here "don't respect" your views...I think it has more to do with the fact that you come across as always on the "defensive". WE, all understand the actual plans...really, we do. It just comes across as if you are trying to MAKE us like those plans...and it seems as if it angers you because we differ in opinion with you. I don't see the importance of catering to a specific age group or race either...there is just as much appeal for a black person as there is for a white person. It's about the MUSIC...and the MAN. I am sorry that we seem to butt heads on this over and over, but I just don't see that Elvis needs all of that to be remembered and idiolized. If you like it, then fine. I am not trying to dissuade you from your standpoint. I am merely trying to make you see that WE are not being mean or rude by disagreeing with you. And too, I don't think that I am "living in denial" by thinking that a logical reason to visit Graceland is because of Elvis..if I visit the Grand Canyon, it is because I love natural scenery, if I visit Pearl Harbor, it is because I am enthused by history...when I go to Graceland it is because I love Elvis. Money should NEVER be an issue in keeping someone's memory alive. That is done within the heart. Perhaps you underestimate the Sillerman/EPE advantage to raking in all of those $$$...they are the ones who will profit. Just giving you my opinion...no hard feelings...

[Miss Clawdy]

First off don't come at me in some kind of attack mode.:mad: Second the wow affect wasn't my idea but Bob Sillerman's. His own words at that. Yes me, my girlfriend and others my age and younger happen to like to be wowed by attractions. I don't get wowed at looking at unattractive buildings or surroundings. I got wowed a little at the first sight of Graceland. But after the tour and visiting the plaza, I wasn't wowed except for the cars and the planes. I was expecting more than was there. I know if I took Anna today to Graceland she would not be overwhelmed as some of you die hard fans are when you see it. She might enjoy it. but she wouldn't be wowed. I can assure that. So that was why I suggested we wait until the changes have been made. I'm sorry if you or anyone else has a problem with my own personal choices that I make in my life.:mad:

I think you misinterpreted my post, I didn't mean to attack your personal choices, it was just a simple question, because I do not understand what these "wow" attractions have to do with Elvis and Graceland. I do understand that Sillerman and his buddies want to make more money and nothing else. Thank you for answering my question.

[Fire-Eyes]

Fire-Eyes, you are right on the money! I love your photo/avatar by the way.

Thank you Kelly :hug:

[ksimms2]

C)You're living in denial if you think the only reason people visit Graceland is due to it being just his home. Think again. Why do people visit the Grand canyon, statue of Liberty, or Pearl Harbor? Because it is a historical landmark just as Graceland is today. Simple as that.(written by EP75)

You've crossed the line on this one, that is EXACTLY why we go to Memphis/Graceland.

[marijaep]

Question : Are they REALLY going to change anything there?

If so...If I could, I would run and 'catch' the original atmosphere, because that's the main point in going to see Graceland.
If they change something it means that it will never be the same....
My opinion : Leave Graceland as it is.

[ksimms2]

Here is where we compromise: Some of us fans go there for Elvis and the atmosphere and things being the SAME - while others like EP75 and his era want something new and exciting. We want different things and we don't all agree on what we want and are going to keep going round and round on this issue.....so......we agree to disagree and see how this plays out. Yes?

[jak]

"C)You're living in denial if you think the only reason people visit Graceland is due to it being just his home."

That's the only reason I've been there over 20 times.With all due respect I think you dont understand why so many people feel the need to visit Graceland.It's because they feel closer to him.I wish they would close all the shops and turn that area into a park.Just a nice quiet serene place to reflect.That's just my opinion and I know that wont happen.It wouldnt generate enough revenue.
Jak

[marijaep]

Here is where we compromise: Some of us fans go there for Elvis and the atmosphere and things being the SAME - while others like EP75 and his era want something new and exciting. We want different things and we don't all agree on what we want and are going to keep going round and round on this issue.....so......we agree to disagree and see how this plays out. Yes?

hehe, Kelly, (y) so true.
You are The Voice Of Reason this time lol. :clap:

[Diane]

I agree with you Jak 100%. For the most part people have been flocking to Graceland for the exact reasons you went there. If big businesses keep building for all the wows and the $$$$$, we won't HAVE any parks or quiet serene places anymore, the wildlife will be gone and shortly so will we. We need a balance in nature to survive!!!!!

Diane

[ksimms2]

hehe, Kelly, (y) so true.
You are The Voice Of Reason this time lol. :clap:


Thanks Marijaep....I'm sure we all agree on this one point atleast....(not my being the voice of reason....but to agree to disagree....) (y)

[jak]

I agree with you Jak 100%. For the most part people have been flocking to Graceland for the exact reasons you went there. If big businesses keep building for all the wows and the $$$$$, we won't HAVE any parks or quiet serene places anymore, the wildlife will be gone and shortly so will we. We need a balance in nature to survive!!!!!

Diane

Hey Diane
I was 14 when I first went there in 1979.I will never forget standing at those gates the first morning.I might as well had been at the holy land.It was almost magical.That's why graceland is so special to so many.For me the commercialization has somewhat detracted from that.
Jak

[Donut]

The first time I went to Graceland I was bothered even for the bus taking me up to the house because I thought you could be able to go up there walking so go figure what I think of all that improvement...

[Diane]

Yes Jak, it would for me too. I haven't been to Graceland yet but like every fan who hasn't, hope to someday. I won't even think of going if all the commercialization is overwhelming it.

My idea of seeing Graceland is just the house and grounds and if I want to buy some memorabilia, go downtown to places that carry that stuff - nowhere near the house.

They can clean up the surrounding area and do away with all the cheap tacky buildings there is there now and instead, put in a nice large treed park with a bit of landscaping here and there, surrounding the house with only maybe a new museum building so they can turn the racketball building back into what it was, and a nice but understated amphi-theater where they would show Elvis' movies and concerts. That is the most I would want to see them build and even that could be done without.

Diane

[Miss Clawdy]

"C)You're living in denial if you think the only reason people visit Graceland is due to it being just his home."

That's the only reason I've been there over 20 times.With all due respect I think you dont understand why so many people feel the need to visit Graceland.It's because they feel closer to him.I wish they would close all the shops and turn that area into a park.Just a nice quiet serene place to reflect.That's just my opinion and I know that wont happen.It wouldnt generate enough revenue.
Jak

Thank you, you voiced my feelings. 3 weeks ago, during Elvis' week, I visited Bad Nauheim, I went to see the places and houses where Elvis spent his years in the army, and even there there was something special I cannot explain. Near the hotel where he stayed a few weeks there is an Elvis Memorial, not very big, and the fans brought flowers, pictures and candles to pay their respect to Elvis, I stood there with a lump in my throat....and I had a presentiment of how it would be like visiting Graceland.

[The King's Queen]

I was 14 when I first went there in 1979.I will never forget standing at those gates the first morning.I might as well had been at the holy land.It was almost magical.That's why graceland is so special to so many.For me the commercialization has somewhat detracted from that.
Jak


Now see...that is what I am talking about! :clap: A 14 year old kid back then...but the spirit and the "wow" that was there then just overwhelmed you...how wonderful Jak! That is the WOW that I was speaking of before...(y) It is so sad to think that there may come a time when all of the spirit that is Graceland will be taking a backseat to the commercialization of the money-makers...:'( For crying out loud, if they are NOT going to Graceland for Elvis...they don't need to go at all. What would be the point??? :blink:

[Pieterpix]

i wish that Graceland was only open for the real Elvis-fans, i was at Graceland this august and there we're a couple of non-Elvis-fans, who rushed through the house in a hurry, if you know what i mean, and i didn't like it also that i must take a bus to go to the house, further i don't like all the shops on the other side, and the prices they have, the things you buy there are very expensive, i wish that Graceland was a very quit place to go without the fancy stuff and everything, but it won't ever happen

[rocknroll]

You make good points. But let me point some things out.

1)EP isn't getting younger. But his fans are. However it has been the original fans that were there or born during his rein that makes the legend continue. What would happen if Graceland stayed the same and Bob Sillerman wasn't involved? It would eventually grow old and outdated as it is becoming now and would have to close due to lack of visitors. This however would come once the originals were gone and that would be within the next 10 years. EP would have been 72 himself. So imagine the fans who followed him since the 50's. they too are up there in age.

2)Graceland claims that more than half of it's visitors are 35 or younger. However that does not mean that even a half of the percentage is teenagers. There plan is to draw is bigger overall numbers and by making the place a "wow"experience those numbers will grow.

3)Kids go to Disneyland or Disney World and get wowed. But they never grow out of that phase either. EP is like that with his fans. Once you get hooked you're hooked for life. But how many kids actually are hooked on EP today? That's what you got to remember.

4)Graceland isn't a home anymore. It's not been a home since Delta Presley died. It's a national historical landmark and tourist attraction. It's not just for fans to go and visit his grave. It's a place to go and see the history and legacy he left behind. It's a museum practically. But the new plans call for it to be restored back to it's originality. Which should be a blessing to the die hard fans.

5)By making the changes and expanding it to give it that fan appeal and popularity that Disney has will only make it a bigger hit than it is today. Never do I see a commercial about visiting Graceland. But I see Disney all the time. That's what Bob Sillerman wants with Graceland. To be a major attraction to all ages and races. Graceland really doesn't have that appeal going for it today.

6)The "wow" affect will only make visitors want to stay and come back for more. Having the extra land and down the road they can expand even more to create even more new attractions.

7)There are hi-tech state of the art museums all over the world for historical figures. But there isn't one official museum for EP not even at Graceland. And now there are plans for a hi-tech interactive museum for visitors to discover and learn all about the man, and yet some holler. Go figure.

Wow you are obsessed with this.

I guess if your girlfriend says it should be done then that's all EPE needs to know....let the demo begin!:doh:

[rocknroll]

To simply answer your questions.

C)You're living in denial if you think the only reason people visit Graceland is due to it being just his home. Think again. Why do people visit the Grand canyon, statue of Liberty, or Pearl Harbor? Because it is a historical landmark just as Graceland is today. Simple as that.
(n)


Unbelievably ignorant statement....but expected when considering the source.

[jak]

"For crying out loud, if they are NOT going to Graceland for Elvis...they don't need to go at all. What would be the point??? "

You pretty much summed it up for me.
Jak

[Diane]

Me too.

Diane

[King_Creole]

Unbelievably ignorant statement....but expected when considering the source.


Not only ignorant, but incredibly immature and hostile.

I'll second your statement rocknroll, and when considering the source, this belligerent behavior is expected and unwarranted.

[keke23]

Hey Jay, I think you're doin the right thing. As I told you about 2 months ago, there's no reason to come here now when you can wait for the new changes. My friend told me the attractions are gonna be breathtaking and will blow your mind!

But on the other hand, what if you and Anna aren't together by then? Are you still gonna bring her? But I can see why yall would wanna wait for the new attractions. I'll be goin back then for sure!

KC, I see you're up to old tricks again. Still harassin folks, as you did at the E1 forum.

[Getlo]

.I wish they would close all the shops and turn that area into a park.Just a nice quiet serene place to reflect.That's just my opinion and I know that wont happen.It wouldnt generate enough revenue.


Hey, great idea! (y)

Yeah, bulldoze the lot. A huge park, with maybe a nice undercover area for bbq's, and perhaps a big screen with round-the-clock footage.

But none of this other business they're planning ...

And you're right ... people go to Graceland because it was his home.

[TLC67]

With all due respect EP75 to both you and your girlfriend, but herein lies the conflict...not everyone goes in for the "wow"...:hmm: Some just want the original atmosphere and surroundings. Not that cleaning up is a bad thing, as I have repeatedly said. It is just the "wow" factor that bothers me...:doh:...think of it like this: We get "wowwed" now for the younger generation...then they grow up and get bored and they need to be "wowwed"...then it all changes again. If you can understand where I am going with this, then perhaps you will be able to understand the reasons why some of us feel that it needs to be left alone. Eventually, I'm afraid that the "wow" will overshadow the legend...if you get my drift. And no, not because I feel that Elvis won't continue on his own merit...but because eventually people may start to think "That place has just gotten too commercial" and then what happens? Odds are that if Graceland would suddenly quit turning a handsome profit...it would be closed to the public. So again, I ask you...Is this all about Elvis? Or all about the many ways to keep the money rolling in?? Guess we just see it differently...:blink:

:king:(y)(y)(y):king:

[keke23]

Have yall ever been to Gatlinburg?

Me and my boyfriend went there for my 23rd birthday, which was durin Elvis Week, and we had a wonderful time! There's so much to do and see there, that you can't see it all in a day.

Anyways, it's a small town with lots of tourists attractions.

They got first-class restaurants, hotels, museums, Ripley's aquarium and gift shops galore!

If you've been there, then you'll know what the Whitehaven/Graceland area will be like in the next 15 years, with Graceland bein the centerpiece.

At least that's the master plan.

[The King's Queen]

Have yall ever been to Gatlinburg?

Me and my boyfriend went there for my 23rd birthday, which was durin Elvis Week, and we had a wonderful time! There's so much to do and see there, that you can't see it all in a day.

Anyways, it's a small town with lots of tourists attractions.

They got first-class restaurants, hotels, museums, Ripley's aquarium and gift shops galore!

If you've been there, then you'll know what the Whitehaven/Graceland area will be like in the next 15 years, with Graceland bein the centerpiece.

At least that's the master plan.

Yes, Lakeisha, I've been to Gatlinburg. It's a nice place to spend one day...but after that, it's a bit too hectic. And FAR too expensive! :doh: I really hope the area adjacent to the Mansion does not end up like that. I am all for cleaning up the area. (y) And I really don't have a problem with them doing ANY improvements whatsoever to the town of Memphis. I just don't think that I like all of the "hussle and bustle" that you find in Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg right there in the area connected to Graceland. Everyone has their own opinion, and mine is just that Graceland should be a shrine to Elvis. When I go, I want to have a sort of peaceful atmosphere surrounding me...if that makes sense. Geeze, I guess it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because EPE and Sillerman are the head honcho's, but I know this much...I will be visiting BEFORE these changes take effect...and NOT after. They can do whatever they want...but they won't be rakin' in the $$$ from me. :)

[elvis himselvis]

If you wait, you will be missing out on the original point of Graceland and the meditation gardens where Elvis is buried. It's fine to go once the new stuff is done - but I wish you'd experience it the it is now.....I think you'll eventually regret it if you don't. Just my opinion.

I don't understand you....are they going to change the meditation garden:blink:???

[Trev1]

I have been reading this thread and cannot believe that this person thinks that Elvis fans go to Graceland for the 'wow' effect.... I am also a fan of the Bealtes and travelled to Liverpool and found that just visiting places like strawberry fields gates and the cavern is not for the 'wow' but a real emotional experience for a true fan.....its like you feel that bit closer to history.. I have never been to Graceland but hope to some day to see where the man lives and feel closer to Elvis... defo not for any 'wow' effect :!:

[The King's Queen]

I don't understand you....are they going to change the meditation garden:blink:???

I think what Kelly was trying to say was that by going now, you won't be influenced or bothered (however you wish to state it) by the new "wow" affects. I think she was implying that to get the full "Elvis" experience, it would be best to go now... :)

[CRITTERGITTER]

It is hard for us that are the older fans to adjust to the new thought about how Elvis should be marketed. Elvis is so very personal to us all, that the thought he has to be marketed to a newer group of people is like saying we need to market our mother or father's house and grave.

The first time I went in 1979 (I know that was a million years ago) the wow was I was actually looking at his house. We couldn't go in yet, but we hung on the wall and stared at it for hours. The wow was when Harold let us sit in the guard shack all night and you prayed you were breathing the same air Elvis did because you were in his guard shack. You knew ELvis was there with you, you could feel him. The biggest wow was the first time you saw the gravesite. You realized he was gone forever and your life would never be the same again.

I understand the new generation has shorter attention spans and requires faced paced, high energy entertainment. If Graceland must be changed, it must be it. But you missed out on a wonderful time that can never be experienced again. Just one more time, I'l like to be able to park across the street in January. Break out the blankets and look at Graceland through my windshield while I played the Wonderful World of Christmas.

[rocknroll]

Yes, Lakeisha, I've been to Gatlinburg. It's a nice place to spend one day...but after that, it's a bit too hectic. And FAR too expensive! :doh: I really hope the area adjacent to the Mansion does not end up like that. I am all for cleaning up the area. (y) And I really don't have a problem with them doing ANY improvements whatsoever to the town of Memphis. I just don't think that I like all of the "hussle and bustle" that you find in Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg right there in the area connected to Graceland. Everyone has their own opinion, and mine is just that Graceland should be a shrine to Elvis. When I go, I want to have a sort of peaceful atmosphere surrounding me...if that makes sense. Geeze, I guess it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because EPE and Sillerman are the head honcho's, but I know this much...I will be visiting BEFORE these changes take effect...and NOT after. They can do whatever they want...but they won't be rakin' in the $$$ from me. :)

Wow, VERY well said. Some people just can't grasp this simple concept, and that is really too bad for them. Good post.

[rhythmknights]

I liked Disney. I liked Graceland. Mom took me when I was 13. I liked the horses, & I liked the gold record gallery. I loved the jet! I think I'd lie to go back once more before the major changes then of course after it's done.

[The King's Queen]

Wow, VERY well said. Some people just can't grasp this simple concept, and that is really too bad for them. Good post.

Thank you....:)

[EP75]

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I have been doing a little survey among strangers to find out what they think of the plans for Graceland. So far I have been able to get answers from 32 different people from random locations such as the coffee shop at Books A Million, Madison Square Mall, the local parks, and downtown. I walked up to people on the streets to ask 3 quick and simple questions.

1)Are you an Elvis fan? 20 out of 32 said yes or that they like his music.

2)Have you ever been to Graceland? 13 out of 32 said yes (11 said they want to go someday)

3)Do you agree with the changes that are being publicly announced for Graceland expanding into a bigger attraction like a theme park? 17 said yes or that they were interested (even those who aren't really fans or been there)

4)Will you visit Graceland once the changes are done. astonishing 24 out of 32 said yes they want to see it when it is done. Wow!:supriced:

I will tell you that in this 3 day survey I did, I had only 6 people, that's right only 6 people to say NO that they don't agree and won't visit afterwards. They were mostly in their 50's or older. The majority of the ones who voted yes were around my age (34) or younger. That's out of 32 that I have interviewed. I think this goes to show what the general public thinks of the plans for Graceland. By the way, my boss who is 40 loves EP and she can't wait for the changes. She's been to Graceland 3 times now and says it needs to be changed around and given a new life and appeal. Me and her spent a good 20 minutes this morning talking about them and what's all being planned. I even introduced her to my blog and she was impressed.:):clap:

I will be posting my interview and results later on my blog page for everyone to read.(y)

[rocknroll]

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I have been doing a little survey among strangers to find out what they think of the plans for Graceland. So far I have been able to get answers from 32 different people from random locations such as the coffee shop at Books A Million, Madison Square Mall, the local parks, and downtown. I walked up to people on the streets to ask 3 quick and simple questions.

1)Are you an Elvis fan? 20 out of 32 said yes or that they like his music.

2)Have you ever been to Graceland? 13 out of 32 said yes (11 said they want to go someday)

3)Do you agree with the changes that are being publicly announced for Graceland expanding into a bigger attraction like a theme park? 17 said yes or that they were interested (even those who aren't really fans or been there)

4)Will you visit Graceland once the changes are done. astonishing 24 out of 32 said yes they want to see it when it is done. Wow!:supriced:

I will tell you that in this 3 day survey I did, I had only 6 people, that's right only 6 people to say NO that they don't agree and won't visit afterwards. They were mostly in their 50's or older. The majority of the ones who voted yes were around my age (34) or younger. That's out of 32 that I have interviewed. I think this goes to show what the general public thinks of the plans for Graceland. By the way, my boss who is 40 loves EP and she can't wait for the changes. She's been to Graceland 3 times now and says it needs to be changed around and given a new life and appeal. Me and her spent a good 20 minutes this morning talking about them and what's all being planned. I even introduced her to my blog and she was impressed.:):clap:

I will be posting my interview and results later on my blog page for everyone to read.(y)


You went around in public randomly asking people you don't know about Elvis' estate?:hmm:

[tilly01]

i was going to sit on the fence here but i can't any longer EP you really should respect other opinions that they don't want the house to change they go because elvis lived there and its a final resting place i haven't the privilidge to go to graceland and think they should leave the estate as it has been for the past 30yrs yes upgrade the outer perimeter of graceland ie the boulevard but let the real fans enjoy the ambience if they change graceland too much it will be to commercialised and not one real fan will go back to visit if it wasn't for the older elvis fans you wouldn't be an elvis fans its us "older" fans that keep the elvis magic alive the younger fans i suspect don't want graceland to change too much please have the respect of other fans and not because they don't agree with your opinions

[The King's Queen]

i was going to sit on the fence here but i can't any longer EP you really should respect other opinions that they don't want the house to change they go because elvis lived there and its a final resting place i haven't the privilidge to go to graceland and think they should leave the estate as it has been for the past 30yrs yes upgrade the outer perimeter of graceland ie the boulevard but let the real fans enjoy the ambience if they change graceland too much it will be to commercialised and not one real fan will go back to visit if it wasn't for the older elvis fans you wouldn't be an elvis fans its us "older" fans that keep the elvis magic alive the younger fans i suspect don't want graceland to change too much please have the respect of other fans and not because they don't agree with your opinions

Right on Irene! (y)

[Diane]

100% with you Irene!(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[Gerianne]

They won't be touching the mansion or the grounds, just the neighbouring area. I really hope this is the case when everything is finished as this is the most important thing to me

[JudyMcKinn]

Sounds to me like (and I could be wrong here) that the mansion and grounds will stay the same - except for general upkeep - which should make those of you who want it the same to be happy.
And that there is going to be some things added outside the grounds that will appeal to people who are fans, but not fanatic--just people who want to see the place as a tourist attraction, etc, and that will make them happy.
And if the city of Memphis will clean up the "almost ghetto" that the street has become on each side of Graceland, then it will be much more pleasant to approach, and more impressive, to fans and the curious alike. Elvis would be ashamed of the way the street has become, I believe. I am for keeping the estate the same, but in good repair, and for adding interesting museums, etc, nearby. Have any of you seen any of the presidential museums? I have only seen the Clinton one in Little Rock, as it is close enough to get to on a weekend. Whatever your political persuasion, it is truly impressive. There are buttons to push which start videos of famous speeches, etc. So many really interesting things. If they could do this with Elvis, it would be so interesting and informative, and make a lot of new fans, I would think. Just my opinion.

[King_Creole]

You went around in public randomly asking people you don't know about Elvis' estate?:hmm:


Exactly my thoughts ... :lmfao:

Hmmm, 32 individuals out of an estimated 350 million living Americans ...

WOW, Now that's impressive :!:(y):P

[rocknroll]

Exactly my thoughts ... :lmfao:

Hmmm, 32 individuals out of an estimated 350 million living Americans ...

WOW, Now that's impressive :!:(y):P

If true I don't know which is more sad:

the fact your out of control obsession on this subject compelled you to actually walk up to perfect strangers and ask them about something they probably have very little interest in, or

the fact you actually did it. Period.

[EP75]

If either of you two clowns have a problem with me taking time out of my day to ask a few strangers a few questions about a very popular topic in the EP world that concerns the most influencial figure of all time and the changes to his kingdome, then tough. Deal with it. Your opinions mean as much to me as a cat's vomit does.

[EP75]

Sounds to me like (and I could be wrong here) that the mansion and grounds will stay the same - except for general upkeep - which should make those of you who want it the same to be happy.
And that there is going to be some things added outside the grounds that will appeal to people who are fans, but not fanatic--just people who want to see the place as a tourist attraction, etc, and that will make them happy.
And if the city of Memphis will clean up the "almost ghetto" that the street has become on each side of Graceland, then it will be much more pleasant to approach, and more impressive, to fans and the curious alike. Elvis would be ashamed of the way the street has become, I believe. I am for keeping the estate the same, but in good repair, and for adding interesting museums, etc, nearby. Have any of you seen any of the presidential museums? I have only seen the Clinton one in Little Rock, as it is close enough to get to on a weekend. Whatever your political persuasion, it is truly impressive. There are buttons to push which start videos of famous speeches, etc. So many really interesting things. If they could do this with Elvis, it would be so interesting and informative, and make a lot of new fans, I would think. Just my opinion.

Another poster with the right view of things.:notworthy

[rocknroll]

If either of you two clowns have a problem with me taking time out of my day to ask a few strangers a few questions about a very popular topic in the EP world that concerns the most influencial figure of all time and the changes to his kingdome, then tough. Deal with it. Your opinions mean as much to me as a cat's vomit does.


Absolutely pathetic. I'm raising the BS flag on your supposed survey.

[rocknroll]

Another poster with the right view of things.:notworthy


Look at the poll on the other thread. Your beloved changes for Graceland DO NOT have the support of the Elvis fan community. But, according to you, most of us are too old and will all die soon someday (yes folks, actual quote by EP75).(y)

[EP75]

Look at the poll on the other thread. Your beloved changes for Graceland DO NOT have the support of the Elvis fan community. But, according to you, most of us are too old and will all die soon someday (yes folks, actual quote by EP75).(y)

Please provide the evidence to back up your accusations towards me Kerry.:mad:

[ksimms2]

are you guys still at it? good grief.....lol....just ignore this subject and it will go away.....ya know? it's been beaten to death - insulting one another does no good. I'm suprised a moderator hasn't shut it down yet.....I love you all....but.....back to your corners!

[rocknroll]

Please provide the evidence to back up your accusations towards me Kerry.:mad:


"The original fanbase is getting old and will soon be dying off" - EP75 on the E1 message board.

[rocknroll]

are you guys still at it? good grief.....lol....just ignore this subject and it will go away.....ya know? it's been beaten to death - insulting one another does no good. I'm suprised a moderator hasn't shut it down yet.....I love you all....but.....back to your corners!

Agreed. I'm done.

[EP75]

"The original fanbase is getting old and will soon be dying off" - EP75 on the E1 message board.


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: You are pathetic. Just like your sidekick.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[presley31]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: You are pathetic. Just like your sidekick.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

theres no need in being rude cause people don't share your opnions.

[The King's Queen]

theres no need in being rude cause people don't share your opnions.


That is sooo right Jen! (y)

[EP75]

theres no need in being rude cause people don't share your opnions.

Obviously you have not been around long enough to know their motives. Go to elvisnumberones.com forum and look up replies by Kerry Mills and King Creole and you will know why I am so bitter towards them. I think you will be amazed.

[Getlo]

Another poster with the right view of things.:notworthy


A tad confrontational, isn't this EP75?

Just because this person agrees with your ideas of the expansion, doesn't make them the "right view". It just makes them similar to yours.

I think that's why some people on here are getting annoyed with you: throwing out your ideas on here as if they're the only correct assessment of the situation ...

Others have differing opinions to yours and Lakeisha's, it would appear ...

[Fire-Eyes]

You're getting old too, so dont let your bloom fool you EP75 and please at least try to be respectful. You dont need to share the same views with others to do that.


And yes, as Kelly said, let's just ignore this thing going on unnecessarily for so long and back to our concerns. I'm sure we all have more important things to do, to share and to talk about.

love ya'll
:peace:

[keke23]

Well, I know I'm gonna get attacked for sayin this...but whatever.

First of all, I don't see anywhere where Jay has said these ideas are his.

Everything he's posted is what I've given him info on, or what the media is sayin. He's not makin anything up or throwin out rumors or speculation. He's just relatin what I've told him and what the media has said. Why do yall gotta problem with that?

Yall say he's tryin to make yall agree with him, when it's really the opposite....yall are tryin to make him agree with yall and when he doesn't then yall go into attack mode or criticize his support. And that aint right and is hypocritical.

Second, Some of yall, they know who they are, need to get off your high horses when it comes to Elvis. He aint God and neither is Graceland heaven. I don't think he's the greatest ever. He was one of the greatest for sure. But IMO, James Brown was more energetic and entertaining than Elvis was. But that don't make me any less a fan of Elvis.

I love the guy, as an entertainer and a proud Memphian. But I aint gonna say he should be kept as is today, which means kept for his generation only as seems to be the double standard goin on here, or the area around shouldn't be improved so black folks can better their lifestyles and businesses around it as it grows and brings in more tourism to the area.

If anybody's got a problem with that, then you don't understand the business aspect of why Graceland is opened to the public in the first place.

Third, Jay gave all yall a chance to see through his blog page, which I think is very informative, of what EPE is sayin and plannin and some of yall are still comin at him as if he's the enemy. And some, and they know who they are, are in denial of the plans and tryin to turn it all around on Jay, and playin the manipulatin game as well.

IMO, from the way I see it, he's not pushin it on anybody. He's just backin it up with a debate on the subject and tryin to help some of yall understand the meaning, and the realism of the changes comin, and some of yall aint seein it that way and are attackin him for bein in support. Here's a news flash....he aint the only one who is supportin it here, online or in the real world. There's more in support than not, from what i hear.

So just because this poll favors the biased Elvis fanbase opinions, that don't mean it speaks for the rest of the Elvis world or the locals here, nor is it makin any difference on what's fixin to happen here in Memphis.

And like Jay said.....it IS gonna happen. So you might as well just get used to the idea of what it's gonna be like.

And for those who don't like the changes....then don't come here, if you're so against them. Graceland and EPE will be makin plenty of cash off of the casual fans and general public that comes on a daily basis, not just the 2 time a year fans who come for the anniversary celebrations.

As for Jay and me standin up for him....this dude has been my internet and real life friend for almost 2 years now and he's had my back everytime when nobody else hasn't. He keeps it real and he's a sweetheart. That's why I trust him and tell him all the info I hear, because I know he's my friend and in big support for the redevelopment plans for Graceland and Whitehaven, my former hood.

Lastly, this is the exact reason why I don't socialize or post that much anymore in the Elvis world. There's too much hypocrisy and double standards goin on, as is the case here and other Elvis forums.

[Getlo]

Graceland and EPE will be makin plenty of cash off of the casual fans and general public.

And that's what it's all about with EPE these days! (n)

[Getlo]

James Brown was more ... entertaining than Elvis was.

You must be kidding! :blink::blink::blink:

[presley31]

This thread should be closed, its just turning into nonsense.

[keke23]

You must be kidding! :blink::blink::blink:


No, I wasn't kiddin. About 90% of the black community would agree with me on that. But that's another subject.

[keke23]

This thread should be closed, its just turning into nonsense.

Like I said....there's a lot of hypocrisy and double standards goin on.

[tilly01]

I agree with you Jen there is no need for this post to be so aggressive (n)(n)(n)

[The King's Queen]

No, I wasn't kiddin. About 90% of the black community would agree with me on that. But that's another subject.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask...why do you keep referring to race in your posts? "90% of the black community" may agree with you on this...but what about the millions of other fans who are not "black" as you term it? James Brown was a great entertainer...but he ain't no Elvis! :king: Just my opinion.

As for visiting Graceland...I plan to do so BEFORE the changes take place, if they do, and NOT after. You are very correct in the fact that those who don't like it don't have to visit...and I am sure many won't want to. What good is it going to do the area when the "die hard" fans do indeed quit coming? I think someone has forgotten that ALL fans matter, regardless of age, creed, ethnicity, or status. :doh:

I have to agree...these posts are becoming insanely agressive and are veering into race and other issues that are in no way connected to the changes that will or won't be made at Graceland. May be time to bid this thread goodbye....:blink:

[Tommy]

Please stick to the subject matter.

[rocknroll]

I'm sorry, but I have to ask...why do you keep referring to race in your posts? "90% of the black community" may agree with you on this...but what about the millions of other fans who are not "black" as you term it? James Brown was a great entertainer...but he ain't no Elvis! :king: Just my opinion.

As for visiting Graceland...I plan to do so BEFORE the changes take place, if they do, and NOT after. You are very correct in the fact that those who don't like it don't have to visit...and I am sure many won't want to. What good is it going to do the area when the "die hard" fans do indeed quit coming? I think someone has forgotten that ALL fans matter, regardless of age, creed, ethnicity, or status. :doh:

I have to agree...these posts are becoming insanely agressive and are veering into race and other issues that are in no way connected to the changes that will or won't be made at Graceland. May be time to bid this thread goodbye....:blink:


As I said a few days ago, I will just let Lakeisha open her mouth and show her true colors and you all can judge for yourself. As long as Jay and Lakeisha are around every thread they post on will devolve into arguements and racist claims. It has happened on every board they post on - inane ideas and views posted as factual information, then a war defending their views when they are called into question. Enjoy.

[The King's Queen]

As I said a few days ago, I will just let Lakeisha open her mouth and show her true colors and you all can judge for yourself. As long as Jay and Lakeisha are around every thread they post on will devolve into arguements and racist claims. It has happened on every board they post on - inane ideas and views posted as factual information, then a war defending their views when they are called into question. Enjoy.


No enjoyment on this one rocknroll.. :blink: I think I may be done posting on this thread.

[rocknroll]

No enjoyment on this one rocknroll.. :blink: I think I may be done posting on this thread.


I'm with you. It almost wears me out trying to keep up with these two.:D

[The King's Queen]

I'm with you. It almost wears me out trying to keep up with these two.:D

You may be battle-weary my friend...but you put up a good fight! LOL...:lmfao:

[Tommy]

Please I asked before please stick to the subject.

[Gerianne]

I think this thread should be closed, it is getting way out of hand

[presley31]

l agree with you Gerianne

[Sonny]

Closed because the subject is no longer the most important thing.

Sonny