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KPM
09-02-2007, 08:02 PM
You can't help but notice many seem to gravitate to Elvis's problems with drugs when he is discussed. Even in the Elvis world just as much time seems devoted to the problems Elvis had as to his voice and talents as a singer and entertainer. So my question is "are the problems of his last years slowly eclipsing his talents and contributions to music and culture?" Is the focus less and less the music and talent- more and more the problems and downfall?

Diane
09-02-2007, 08:24 PM
That's a hard one to answer KPM. I sometimes feel in these threads that some would rather dwell on Elvis' problems and downfall and try to shove it down our throats rather than talk about what he accomplished musically for the world in his short lifetime, not to mention the humor, generosity, affection and being generally a very enjoyable person.

I hope the majority in the world is thinking more on his positive side than on the negative. So he made some wrong choices that some people feel they could have done so much better had it been them..........live with it and give the rest of us the right to lay it aside where trash belongs!

Yup, wearing my rose coloured glasses again.

Diane

KPM
09-02-2007, 08:37 PM
That's a hard one to answer KPM. I sometimes feel in these threads that some would rather dwell on Elvis' problems and downfall and try to shove it down our throats rather than talk about what he accomplished musically for the world in his short lifetime, not to mention the humor, generosity, affection and being generally a very enjoyable person.

I hope the majority in the world is thinking more on his positive side than on the negative. So he made some wrong choices that some people feel they could have done so much better had it been them..........live with it and give the rest of us the right to lay it aside where trash belongs!

Yup, wearing my rose coloured glasses again.

Diane
I have the same take on this. Some seem to want to point at every flaw, every problem and run with it. If you point out any answer which might show a little thought and understanding you are wearing "rose colored glasses"
If you look for anything that tries to give an insight into the questions of why Elvis was who he was you are not realistic?
I do think more often than not the talent is getting lost to the sideshow. The world loves a sideshow-it always draws a crowd but for the wrong reasons.

JDD
09-02-2007, 08:39 PM
Not for me, but I also see the whole picture flaws and all and he's an interesting talented package. Despite what Elvis said he's "not just an entertainer" and He never really was.

I always hate when people ignore the bad or pretend it didn't happen because I think if it happened to Elvis, it could happen to anyone.

I'd sortta like to think that if he had a clear head and was healthy here today having come out the of the drug situation that all these years after the truth came out that he'd be happy to know that his experience probably kept some others away from that nonsense. I could be wrong but his charity mindedness makes me think he'd probably have been a big supporter of trying to kick addictions today.

The King's Queen
09-02-2007, 08:40 PM
Interesting thread KPM...

I personally do not think that his "legend" is overshadowed by his personal choices. I think that it is just a hard matter to seperate the professional life from the personal life when so much has been put out there about his habits, lifestyle, ect. Elvis was the ultimate entertainer...loved then and now by people from all over the world. When adoration comes in that capacity, there is a natural curiousity to "know" the man and all of his traits...even his faults. "Dirty laundry" has always been a fascination for human beings. And the individuals who put books and movies out there that are full of negative aspects of his life are the ones who WANT to keep these tainted aspects of his life in the public eye. Why? Because it sells! (n) I find it odd, but not surprising, that his fans seem to have a better opinion of him than those who were supposed to be his "friends". I know that I would def buy a book that was soley dedicated to showcasing the GOOD points of his life...like charitable contributions, generousity, kindness, and all of the other wonderful things about the man. But then again, I consider myself a "true fan"...and not one who is only interested in his downfalls or shortcomings. I can, however, see that he had faults, just as I do...just as all of us do. And I can admit that he made some bad choices in his life as well. But haven't we all?? The only difference is that when he made a bad choice, or lost his cool, or did something that any normal person does from time to time...it was an instant topic of gossip because he was "Elvis".

The only thing that I know for sure, is that nothing could ever persuade me to feel any differently toward him. I believe that he was a wholesome individual with morals and manners. I believe that he was thrust into a world that he knew nothing about and did the best he could. And I also believe that he "dabbled" with things that, at the time, he didn't really understand could actually hurt him so much in the long run. (Incidentally, that is how most people become addicted...they don't know or believe that those things will ever become a problem!) Let's face it, how many people REALLY set their sights on being an addict or an alcoholic??? IMO, he became a victim of circumstance. Either way, it will never overshadow him in my mind. I am a loyal subject...and I always will be. :king: :notworthy

KPM
09-02-2007, 09:03 PM
I see Elvis as human first, then everything else after. Have never denied he had problems with addictions. He could be a poster child for "addictive personality groups" he did everything in a huge way. He liked the bumper cars he would ride them 30 times in a row, if he got on a yogurt kick he would have it 20 times a day. My point is there were reasons he had such addictive personality traits (and for anyone else who has such problems) people just do not decide one day:
"Wow from now on I will do everything to the total extreme regardless of how it hurts me" In other threads I have given very credible reasons for causes of addictions including heredity. Some things are legit even though you can not point to an ex-ray and go "well theres the problem" But I do not see him as supernatural who did no wrong and never screwed up. I see him as human. To point out his flaws with not trying to understand them is not right IMO

JDD
09-02-2007, 09:10 PM
Another thing KPM is a lot of people don't know Elvis. They've heard of Elvis, maybe even a song or two but their experience isn't "Elvis" its Jay Leno or some other comedian mocking him with some dorky suit and a exaggerated "thank ya very much" . I have actually met people at Graceland that went in thinking he was just a clown and came out fans. So yeah some things probably over shadow Elvis but I'm not so sure its the real last years of him.

marijaep
09-03-2007, 05:24 AM
Another thing KPM is a lot of people don't know Elvis. They've heard of Elvis, maybe even a song or two but their experience isn't "Elvis" its Jay Leno or some other comedian mocking him with some dorky suit and a exaggerated "thank ya very much" . I have actually met people at Graceland that went in thinking he was just a clown and came out fans. So yeah some things probably over shadow Elvis but I'm not so sure its the real last years of him.

Exactly JDD! That happens with many people I know...They know a song or two and know much more about the last few years of his life (over-weight, junkie..etc.) Their favorite subject is his death in the bathroom! :'( That's just so sad...I say : Blame the media...I've read an interview with Sonny West (!), in my local newspaper and it really wasn't very nice. He was talking about Elvis, how much he ate, girls, drugs and even alcohol,which is not true! (We know Elvis didn't drink much). There wasn't much about Elvis:The Legend and his talent, voice,phenomena etc.. That just gives the public another view for Elvis and naturally they form an opinion about Elvis describing him like over-weight person and a drug addict. So, I usually make them listen and read about him more, discover his talent and everything.

Back to the subject .. lol.
I consider myself as a true fan and I don't really want to read and talk only about how 'sweet Elvis was', so I try to accept him as a human being who had many problems and faults.
In the last few years of his life, he had some serious problems with his drug addiction and he still believed that he wasn't addicted, excusing himself that the 'medication' he took was prescribed.
Of course it was hard for him to part his his personal from his public life and we can see that in some of his last performances. But, this doesn't mean that he lost his talent or his personal problems overshadowed his talent. He still gave some remarkable performances and from that we can say that he still had it. Just listen to the live versions of Hurt and Unchained Melody...amazing:clap: :king:

Marija

jak
09-03-2007, 05:25 AM
If youre a serious fan of Presley and his life's work you cant ignore the drug issue.In the mid to latter part of the 70's Elvis still had his moments of greatness.They were however much more infrequent.Elvis basically tarnished his own image because he couldnt control his own demons.The Elvis of 69 or 70 is a far cry from the guy on stage in Indy 6-26-77.It's hard to not mention the very thing that stole Elvis' creativity and eventually took his life.Elvis' drug addiction was the biggest factor in his life the last several years he was with us.It took over and dominated him.I just cant keep the blinders on.Nobody here is harming the Presley legacy by openly discussing the reality of the situation back then.I take the good and the bad with Elvis.I can discuss either because he was a complex individual with two sides.My post may seem negative but it's not meant to be.I just try to be honest and like the old saying,sometimes the truth hurts.
Jak

TurnpikeTaylor
09-03-2007, 06:43 AM
I think Elvis` image gets in the way for some people much more than the drugs thing, he had such a powerful image it obscures the music for some.

Jailhouse-Rocker
09-03-2007, 07:18 AM
I am a big fan of Elvis, and i, like many of you have said, see him as just a human being, with flaws just like the rest of us.

However, i think that the media have really focused on his flaws and really exaggerated them. Whenever i talk to people and mention Elvis, their immediate reaction is "the druggie who died on the toilet" .... which, although in some parts true, is a bit one-sided and they seem to overlook the fact that he was a legendary singer, actor and all round GOOD person (everyone has flaws). They seem to pick out the bad points immediately.

So i agree, that his flaws in the last few years have seemed to overshadow his musical talents, but only due to people reflecting only on his flaws.

ksimms2
09-03-2007, 07:24 AM
Interesting thread KPM...

I personally do not think that his "legend" is overshadowed by his personal choices. I think that it is just a hard matter to seperate the professional life from the personal life when so much has been put out there about his habits, lifestyle, ect. Elvis was the ultimate entertainer...loved then and now by people from all over the world. When adoration comes in that capacity, there is a natural curiousity to "know" the man and all of his traits...even his faults. "Dirty laundry" has always been a fascination for human beings. And the individuals who put books and movies out there that are full of negative aspects of his life are the ones who WANT to keep these tainted aspects of his life in the public eye. Why? Because it sells! (n) I find it odd, but not surprising, that his fans seem to have a better opinion of him than those who were supposed to be his "friends". I know that I would def buy a book that was soley dedicated to showcasing the GOOD points of his life...like charitable contributions, generousity, kindness, and all of the other wonderful things about the man. But then again, I consider myself a "true fan"...and not one who is only interested in his downfalls or shortcomings. I can, however, see that he had faults, just as I do...just as all of us do. And I can admit that he made some bad choices in his life as well. But haven't we all?? The only difference is that when he made a bad choice, or lost his cool, or did something that any normal person does from time to time...it was an instant topic of gossip because he was "Elvis".

The only thing that I know for sure, is that nothing could ever persuade me to feel any differently toward him. I believe that he was a wholesome individual with morals and manners. I believe that he was thrust into a world that he knew nothing about and did the best he could. And I also believe that he "dabbled" with things that, at the time, he didn't really understand could actually hurt him so much in the long run. (Incidentally, that is how most people become addicted...they don't know or believe that those things will ever become a problem!) Let's face it, how many people REALLY set their sights on being an addict or an alcoholic??? IMO, he became a victim of circumstance. Either way, it will never overshadow him in my mind. I am a loyal subject...and I always will be. :king: :notworthy

very well said...I agree....

The King's Queen
09-03-2007, 07:29 AM
very well said...I agree....


Thanks Kelly...:) And a good morning to you....:!:

Getlo
09-03-2007, 07:38 AM
If youre a serious fan of Presley and his life's work you cant ignore the drug issue. I can discuss either because he was a complex individual with two sides.

Agreed.

It was really only the last 18 months to two years that Elvis looked like hell. A true shadow of his former self. And he was, in the true sense of the word ... pathetic.

Unfortunately, this bloated, mumbling image is what many in the general public remember of him. And this is the image that is fostered by a lot of the "tribute artists" out there, especially the ones who are intentionally enormously overweight and the ones who have the awful suits etc.

Elvis' final years do not overshadow his talent; they just make it more difficult for non-fans to see Elvis' entire oeuvre for what it was.

Getlo
09-03-2007, 07:41 AM
IMO, he became a victim of circumstance.

Only partially. The responsibility for how Elvis' life turned out belongs only to Elvis himself.

The unhealthy choices Elvis made were his - the circumstances were weird at times, yes. But he chose to take the paths he did; no one forced him to eat badly, take drugs and slowly kill himself.

The King's Queen
09-03-2007, 08:02 AM
Agreed.

It was really only the last 18 months to two years that Elvis looked like hell. A true shadow of his former self. And he was, in the true sense of the word ... pathetic.

Unfortunately, this bloated, mumbling image is what many in the general public remember of him. And this is the image that is fostered by a lot of the "tribute artists" out there, especially the ones who are intentionally enormously overweight and the ones who have the awful suits etc.

Elvis' final years do not overshadow his talent; they just make it more difficult for non-fans to see Elvis' entire oeuvre for what it was.


Only partially. The responsibility for how Elvis' life turned out belongs only to Elvis himself.

The unhealthy choices Elvis made were his - the circumstances were weird at times, yes. But he chose to take the paths he did; no one forced him to eat badly, take drugs and slowly kill himself.

I must call your hand on this one Getlo...:blink: When I stated that he was a victim of circumstance, I was referring to the early years when he first stepped into the prescription drugs. I feel confident that at that time, it wasn't "widely" discussed that these types of drugs would eventually become a problem. I think he fell prey to them due to his insomnia and the fact that his schedule was so rigorous. And there were in fact, medical reasons for his painkillers.

As for your earlier comment in which you described him as "pathetic"...I, for one, could look at that as offensive. :doh: There are several definitions for the word "pathetic"...and I don't find that any of them are fitting when it comes to Elvis. Perhaps his life had taken a "sad" turn. Perhaps he was not at his "best" in all areas of performing. But I do not feel that he was in any way inadequate...which is a definition of the word pathetic. He managed to perform, and people bought tickets, and to this very day we go to websites like youtube and look up clips of his shows in that era (or buy what's available)...and using a term like that is somewhat disrespectful, IMO. I am more than aware of his problems...and I don't try to sugar coat it, but let's not get mean about it. Ever hear of being sympathetic??? If you feel that he was indeed "pathetic"...then why not be sympathetic and not so brusque? (n)

Tony Trout
09-03-2007, 08:02 AM
Only partially. The responsibility for how Elvis' life turned out belongs only to Elvis himself.

The unhealthy choices Elvis made were his - the circumstances were weird at times, yes. But he chose to take the paths he did; no one forced him to eat badly, take drugs and slowly kill himself.


Very well said!! (y)(y)

The King's Queen
09-03-2007, 08:05 AM
Very well said!! (y)(y)


Unfortunately...I must disagree. If a person is influenced be it by upbringing, or by other things, it is sometimes hard to break the "cycle", so to speak. Why must everything be so black and white to some people....:doh:

Diane
09-03-2007, 08:10 AM
I don't ignore Elvis' addiction and everything else he is said to have done wrong, I,m very well aware of it all, it's just that I don't choose to make it the most important thing in my mind when I think of him and as I've said before, he had plenty of enablers to share the blame, plus as KPM says, I believe he did have an addictive personality.

Generally after someone we love passes we like to think of the good memories we had with them and leave the bad ones behind so why can't we do the same with Elvis? I just don't get all these discussion on the drugs etc. If we fans continually do this, how can we expect non-fans to see him in a good light?

Diane

Getlo
09-03-2007, 08:11 AM
Why must everything be so black and white to some people....:doh:

Because some things are black and white. People, addicts etc blame "circumstance" for their troubles when they - and the people who surround them - often don't take responsibility.

And as for "pathetic" ...
adjective

1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate: In return for our investment we get a pathetic three percent interest.

... the word has been used incorrectly over the years and is automatically assumed to be a negative. I think definition No.1 aptly describes Elvis in the last few months, especially during Elvis In Concert.

The King's Queen
09-03-2007, 08:12 AM
I don't ignore Elvis' addiction and everything else he is said to have done wrong, I,m very well aware of it all, it's just that I don't choose to make it the most important thing in my mind when I think of him and as I've said before, he had plenty of enablers to share the blame, plus as KPM says, I believe he did have an addictive personality.

Generally after someone we love passes we like to think of the good memories we had with them and leave the bad ones behind so why can't we do the same with Elvis? I just don't get all these discussion on the drugs etc. If we fans continually do this, how can we expect non-fans to see him in a good light?

Diane

Always the voice of reason...thank you Diane...very well stated. (y)

Getlo
09-03-2007, 08:15 AM
I just don't get all these discussion on the drugs etc. If we fans continually do this, how can we expect non-fans to see him in a good light?

Because if it's not discussed rationally and honestly - in the same way we'd discuss the music, the romances, the movies etc etc - then we fall into the same practices as EPE, ie presenting a sanitised, unrealistic view of Elvis to the world.

It is better to be open and forthright about each and every aspect of Elvis' life, even the bad ones.

I personally don't care if non-fans see Elvis in a "good" light or not. Our definition of "good" would be different to theirs. I'd prefer non-fans to see him in an honest, bulls**t-free light. Then they can make up their own minds as to what's "good" and "bad".

The King's Queen
09-03-2007, 08:19 AM
Because some things are black and white. People, addicts etc blame "circumstance" for their troubles when they - and the people who surround them - often don't take responsibility.

And as for "pathetic" ...
adjective

1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate: In return for our investment we get a pathetic three percent interest.

... the word has been used incorrectly over the years and is automatically assumed to be a negative. I think definition No.1 aptly describes Elvis in the last few months, especially during Elvis In Concert.

Sorry, but I don't see that some things are strickly black and white...(n)

As per your definitions...if you indeed meant it as a "sympathetic" type thing, then perhaps I misunderstood your post. I interpreted it to be a "negative" remark. If you did not intend it be such, then accept my apology.

Getlo
09-03-2007, 08:22 AM
then accept my apology.

No apology necessary ... (y)

T_J
09-03-2007, 08:31 AM
Sadly, yes. The last years and specifically the weight gain, drug problems and manner of his death, have overshadowed his achievements and talent in the eyes of the general public. Fans see the bigger picture of course. Even when there is a supposed complimentary piece in the media, it will generally start in a negative way. How often have you read a review of Elvis in his prime which starts with something like..."Before Elvis was the bloated, drugged, Vegas crooner, he was...." There's no escaping it and the language used is rarely sympathetic. Anyone who thinks this hasn't done profound harm to his image should ask a group of young people what they know or think about Elvis. I guarantee there would be a lot of comments about him being the fat, druggie, burger loving guy, but very little on him being a revolutionary musical force. Sad, but true.

elvis himselvis
09-03-2007, 09:53 AM
It's a very diffucult question.
I think because sometimes Elvis sounded very weak and was bloated,they would talk about how bad he looked,but on the other hand,i have read news articles of concerts in 1977,and the media is very exciting about him and says he still please the audience.
I think his talent his overshadowed by people who are not fan,but like some songs of him,and know he was tin,and than he was fat,and says, because he died as a overweighted Elvis,he was a fat man and sick and he couldn't sing any more but people(the fans) who listen to his concerts from '76-'77,knows this isn't true and so as the reporters who were in the audience on those nights.

ricardo b. prospero
09-03-2007, 09:56 AM
Let us not forget that Elvis is an ordinary human being and possessed all the weaknesses of being so. We will never know the true reason for his drug addiction that led to countless speculations. I always believe Elvis is a captive circumstantial victim of his own fame and glory. Being a celebrity of his status, his private life becomes an open book for public consumption and scrutiny. He is always vulnerable to temptation considering his easy access to practically almost everything he desired because he is Elvis Presley. Whatever transpired at the later years of his life tragic it may seems only attest to the fact that what goes up must come down somehow. Conclusively, he self destruct because he had reached the boiling point of his career, nothing to prove, nothing more to achieve. I will always look up to him as a singer, entertainer, an actor and a father but most of all a human being. No amount of words negative or positive can ever change the hard fact that he is one of a kind and there will never be anyone like him

KPM
09-03-2007, 11:34 AM
If youre a serious fan of Presley and his life's work you cant ignore the drug issue.In the mid to latter part of the 70's Elvis still had his moments of greatness.They were however much more infrequent.Elvis basically tarnished his own image because he couldnt control his own demons.The Elvis of 69 or 70 is a far cry from the guy on stage in Indy 6-26-77.It's hard to not mention the very thing that stole Elvis' creativity and eventually took his life.Elvis' drug addiction was the biggest factor in his life the last several years he was with us.It took over and dominated him.I just cant keep the blinders on.Nobody here is harming the Presley legacy by openly discussing the reality of the situation back then.I take the good and the bad with Elvis.I can discuss either because he was a complex individual with two sides.My post may seem negative but it's not meant to be.I just try to be honest and like the old saying,sometimes the truth hurts.
Jak
I am a serious Elvis fan because of the music and the talent. I firstheard his voice in 1961 and that is what made me a fan. My question is has the last years (74 on) overshadowed the other 20 years he was an entertainer?-I am beginning to think it has. No one has ever suggested blinders-I don't wear blinders. But it seems any attempt to understand why Elvis was Elvis is called naive or rose colored if it is not the accepted view. In my opinion that is a form of blinders also. Refusing to acknowledge there were things which affected him which he had no control over-things which shaped who he was.
Things you have no control over help shape who you are- your parents, your childhood, your heredity. These are well accepted facts of science. If you just say "Elvis was drug addicted because that was his choice" that- IMO- from all I've read is unfair. It is wearing blinders to the last 50 years of research into what makes people who they are. Into why some are prone to certain mental and physical diseases, and why some are not. There is no shortage of info on ELvis to investigate his life and some of it is just dismissed as making excuses for his actions. I will say this again just because certain things are not readily visible to the eye does not make them any less valid as far as cause and affect. I have always been afraid of traveling to places new plus several other phobias. Having had some help on this in therapy I found out it a lot of it is fear of change-due to moving so much as child- no solid foundation. I still have problems with it-but I was constantly told by the therapist that I had not control over the moves as a child. Every one to some extent has things like this, including Elvis. Everyone, including Elvis, inherits certain traits and congenital problems. Many are small not important things but some are large things which have a huge affect on your life. IMO these are things which are being overlooked everytime the last years are brought up. Some have commented that Elvis just made wrong choices and his ultimate fate was his responsiblity.IMO its more complex than that, people are not characters in a poorly written play which only gives you a quick sketch of who they are. There is a lot hidden deep which
makes a person who they are, and why they are that way. To black and white dismiss any persons problems as "Their choice" is not fair nor realistic IMO. Its a subject which I have had to study and learn from because it has helped me understand-me. If you are lucky enough to be totally well adjusted and phobia freesand your family has no history of addictions and problems, I am truely happy for you. It is a blessing and you may have trouble seeing this point of view. Not everyone is so blessed. IMO ELvis in these instances was not so blessed. :'(

ilovelvis
09-03-2007, 01:05 PM
When I first saw this topic and its question, I thought it was a very hard question to answer. I've read the responses and I will give my thoughts. I truly can't answer if Elvis' final years overshawdowed his talent because I feel I am too close to the subject. We all know just about everyone knows who Elvis is, from kids to older folks. Just exactly WHAT they know about him, I do not know. A poll asking the casual or non-Elvis fans or the regular Joe walking down the street would prove very telling. I've read comments on this thread where people say the first impression someone gives them of Elvis is about the "later years Elvis". I have come across this as well, but in most cases, if I start talking about Elvis, people who like him the way I like him, as a singer/entertainer, say great things about him. Females still go ga-ga over him and males still wish they had a little bit of Elvis in them. Possibly the people who don't like him, and know that I do, just keep their mouths shut. Hey, if you don't like Elvis, okay by me. A lot of people don't like Elvis, pre 1975 or otherwise. I really don't care. I figure, I like Elvis enough for the people who don't! :D. But, if you say you don't like him because of what you've heard and seen regarding the last years of his life, THAT'S IGNORANT in my opinion. You don't like his music or his singing, I can accept that. At a place I worked at many years ago, one of the girls (whose personality tended to be a bit on the negative side anyway) said she saw Elvis as a "beached whale". That comment went over my head. I DIDN'T see him, nor do I remember him like that. Yes, he looked very sad in his last years. And THAT'S what non-Elvis fans remember, how he looked when he left us. If he'd died thin, then what would people say about him? When he died, I was a teenager, and yes, I saw his weight gain in the last couple of years of his life. But I had NO clue about the drug problems until after he died. And none us know what went on behind closed doors. I'm tired of hearing 10 different accounts of the same stories about Elvis over 30 years after they've happened. The Memphis Mafia should get non-Elvis jobs and take their memories of Elvis, good and bad, and keep them close to their hearts, but I digress....sort of. The press eats up that kind of shit and everyone who has written books on Elvis is partly to blame. Of course he had his tough times, just like anyone, but it was Elvis' choice to take the drugs, just as it could have been his choice to get off of them or get whatever help he needed for whatever other personal problems he may have had. I was 16 when Elvis died and I remember my dad saying on the day Elvis died, "I hope he didn't kill himself". I got so mad at that comment, but years later, after some life experience and choosing to believe what I choose to believe about Elvis, I can't blame anyone else for Elvis' early death except Elvis and I hate to say that, but it's how I feel...and believe it or not, I miss him dearly. :'(

presley31
09-03-2007, 01:08 PM
l love elvis with faults and all, but to me thats what a true fan is supposed to be.

KPM
09-03-2007, 01:22 PM
No man is an island -and if he is have pity on him.

Burning_Love
09-03-2007, 01:25 PM
l love elvis with faults and all, but to me thats what a true fan is supposed to be.

Exactly.. :clap:(y)

jak
09-03-2007, 02:34 PM
If you are lucky enough to be totally well adjusted and phobia freesand your family has no history of addictions and problems

In my case that is true.I dont have a single family member that smokes or drink.I tasted a beer about 25 years ago and wondered why people drink such poison.I must admit I may suffer from slight aracnaphobia.
To your original question.Elvis' last years have overshadowed his talent to a good portion of the media and general public I think.Nothing can change what he did in his lifetime.He was the single most important person in popular cultural history.However his impact was long ago and time sometimes has a way of being harsh.Younger people cant realize what he did back in 56.It's more common for him to be a punchline to a joke.The impersonator's are helping out that negative image on a continous basis.If Elvis could have kept it together from 74 on we wouldnt be discussing this.Elvis was his own worst enemy in that regard.He supplied the ammo for the harsh critics.
Jak

Diane
09-03-2007, 02:57 PM
Yes he did supply the ammo for the harsh critics Jak, but that just shows how much the media and the public thrive on sensationalism and not the underlining causes of why he was the way he was.

They have absolutely no understanding and certainly no sympathy and that makes it a sad world we live in.

Diane

KPM
09-03-2007, 03:22 PM
Yes he did supply the ammo for the harsh critics Jak, but that just shows how much the media and the public thrive on sensationalism and not the underlining causes of why he was the way he was.

They have absolutely no understanding and certainly no sympathy and that makes it a sad world we live in.

Diane
Thank you for that comment. IMO the ammunition supplied to the critics was from him, and his childhood, and his heredity-which made up the person he became. The lack of understanding for those factors which affect every single human (for the good or bad) does make this a sad world of extremes.
No gray makes it a less complicated picture to draw but does not give a true representation of the subject.

jak
09-03-2007, 05:19 PM
Yes he did supply the ammo for the harsh critics Jak, but that just shows how much the media and the public thrive on sensationalism and not the underlining causes of why he was the way he was.

They have absolutely no understanding and certainly no sympathy and that makes it a sad world we live in.

Diane

Im with you 100%.It's the way of the world.They build you up just to tear you down.It works that way for most celebrities.People seem to delight in watching others fall.Elvis gets almost no sympathy from the general public or media.They just dont understand him nor do they want to.The hardcore fans have always circled the wagons around him but we are not the majority.
Jak