Two different Aloha Suits and Liberace cape?

[EP75]

I saw this back during Elvis Week. but I have my doubts about this information.

1)The suit EP wore on the January 12 rehearsal show is the exact same suit he wore 2 nights later on January 14.

2)It has been documented that there was indeed a second Aloha American Eagle suit that was made for his 1973 summer tour. The show was so popular that EP used the same set list for a few shows that year on tour and wore the Aloha suit as part of it.

Here's the full story from EP Gold.

http://epgold.com/news/pics-august-2007/1_20070815013010.jpg

According to EPE Elvis wore two different suits then: one on the 12th for the rehearsal show, and another for the actual broadcast the following day. The cape that Elvis tossed in the audience, is now the center piece of the Aloha display.



The Aloha Suits At Graceland.


The suits on display are two different suits. Let me explain:

The Aloha suit that has been on display at Graceland from the begining is the suit that was delivered to Elvis in March of 1973. It was never worn during either Aloha shows!

Bill Belew had made two suits for the show, however the 2nd suit was not completed on time, therefore not used in January of 1973.

The suit from March of 1973 has different larger measurments than that of the suit worn during both the rehersal show, and Aloha special.

EPE has never admitted this fact, and would rather have the fans believe that it was worn during the performance.

The second suit on display was aquired from the Hitlon Hotel in Las Vegas where it had been on display since 1978. This was the suit worn by Elvis during both the rehersal and Aloha performances.

The suit was donated to the Hilton Hotel in 1978 by Vernon Presley, and Col. Tom Parker, along with a guitar, and stage boots. When the suit was donated, there was no corresponding cape, so Col Parker had IC Costumes make another cape to donate to the Hilton. I first saw this suit on display in 1993 at the Hitlon.

The Estate of Ed Parker does not, and has never had either of the Aloha suits. Elvis gave Ed the cape that was delivered with the second suit in March of 1973, and was worn from that date until 1974 when Elvis no longer wore the suit on stage.

I was the person who notified Greg Howell, the then archives director of Graceland that the Hilton Hotel had the Aloha suit.

How did Graceland aquire the suit?

Well that is a long complex story, but in a nut shell, EPE wanted it back, the Hilton did not want to give it back because it was placed on permanent loan from Vernon and the Col.

During this conflict the Hilton took the suit down, and placed it in the employee lounge area in the open, where people began pulling studs off the suits reproduction cape, and where it was exposed to smoke etc. I personaly viewed the suit in this location, and brought my concerns to the hotel.

From there they removed the suit, and placed it in storage. There were other interested private parties soliciting the Hilton for purchase of the suit, but they declined offers.

Last year EPE managed to get the suit back, along with the other donated items, and now they have the suit on display.

I am not aware of the conditions, or how EPE got the suit, but either way at least the suit will now be cared for properly.

Although I have not seen the new display, if it is true that the suits are labled as one worn during the rehersal, and the other worn during the telecast, well that is simply incorrect information.

Sounds more like saving face, then historical fact.

To date Ed Parkers Estate still has the cape given to Ed in 1975, which was not worn during either show, it was delivered in March of 1973 with the other suit.

EPE has the cape Elvis wore during the Aloha rehearsal and telecast, donated by the Andrew Kearn Estate.

The original belt worn thrown to the crowd has still never surfaced, and the belt on display at Graceland is a replacement belt worn by Elvis on tour, but not on either of the Aloha concerts.

This should clear any rumors that have surfaced, as the information is 100% verifiable, and direct from the parties involved since 1997.

Note:

The original person who caught the cape was Advertiser journalist Bruce Spinks. Spinks later sold the cape to Elvis fan, Andrew Kern.

Kern passed away in 1995 from cancer and willed the bulk of his estate to his parents who in return auctioned off his Elvis collection in 1995 in Memphis where all funds went to the "Make A Wish Foundation", Kerns parents gave back the cape as a Gift to EPE in their sons name in 1995.
The cape and Belt is now owned by Collector Larry Moss in Memphis, he purchased it from Ed Parker's estate.

And also this Aloha Eagle cape. Is it real? I don't ever recall a Liberace style cape being made specially for the Aloha show.:hmm: This sounds fabricated to me.

http://epgold.com/news/pics-august-2007/1_20070829092033.jpg

As was mentioned earlier, Graceland has surprised the fans this year with a special Aloha display case: not one, but two suits are on display at the raquetball building.

The suit on the left is supposed to be the rehearsal-suit, the one on the right was worn during the actual broadcast. However, experts don’t agree.

According to them, the rehearsal suit is now in the hands of the Ed Parker Estate. If that is the case, then the so-called rehearsal suit on display, is made after Aloha. No wonder that there are so many rumours flying around.

The only certainty, is the cape in the middle: that was tossed in the audience, but given back to the estate after the fan who caught it, passed away. And even that cape wasn’t the original one.

Bill Belew had designed an extra large cape for the show, until Elvis tried it on. He soon found out that the cape was too long and too heavy, and he ordered a “regular sized cape”.

The XL-version is now in private hands, after Elvis Presley Enterprises sold it in 1999. But still the question remains: how would Elvis have looked in that full length cape?

One example is this computerized picture. Perhaps, after all, it’s best that he picked the “medium sized cape” after all…

[Leroy]

One thing is true: The suit on the left was never used during the Aloha Special. It is a suit made for touring and this was indeed a larger version.

But Elvis did use two different suits during both performances because at first two versions were made. One for the 12th and one for the 14th. If you compare pictures of the rehearsal sho with pictures of the satellite show you can see that the pattern on the belly is different.
Where the eagle's tail ends you see two tiny gold stars on each side of the belly. On the reahearsal suit an extra large gold star is present on the right side. That one is missing from the satellite suit.

I also have a copy of the bill of sale dated January 17th, 1973. A bill for two jumpsuits. One with the long cape and one with matching cape.
Both suits were delivered on time. Elvis never got a bill for something that was not delivered.

Another myth is that Bill Belew designd this suit. This is simply not true because they were designed by Gene Doucette.

[Getlo]

Remember, guys, EPE says things like the White Pyramid suit was worn at Madison Square Garden ... when it wasn't. It was only featured on the cover of the original MSG album.

There are quite a few other areas re the suits at Graceland and elsewhere from the "official" :'( source!

[EP75]

One thing is true: The suit on the left was never used during the Aloha Special. It is a suit made for touring and this was indeed a larger version.

But Elvis did use two different suits during both performances because at first two versions were made. One for the 12th and one for the 14th. If you compare pictures of the rehearsal sho with pictures of the satellite show you can see that the pattern on the belly is different.
Where the eagle's tail ends you see two tiny gold stars on each side of the belly. On the reahearsal suit an extra large gold star is present on the right side. That one is missing from the satellite suit.

I also have a copy of the bill of sale dated January 17th, 1973. A bill for two jumpsuits. One with the long cape and one with matching cape.
Both suits were delivered on time. Elvis never got a bill for something that was not delivered.

Another myth is that Bill Belew designd this suit. This is simply not true because they were designed by Gene Doucette.

So you're saying that there was indeed two different suits worn for the Aloha shows? That's news to me. Not saying it's not true. I still question the Liberace style cape though. I do recall years ago hearing that EP did have two separate capes made for the shows. But never one like what is posted above. Although that is a piece of art itself. But why on earth would EPE sell something that unique and beautiful? Unless it wasn't authentic?:hmm:

[EP75]

Remember, guys, EPE says things like the White Pyramid suit was worn at Madison Square Garden ... when it wasn't. It was only featured on the cover of the original MSG album.

There are quite a few other areas re the suits at Graceland and elsewhere from the "official" :'( source!

Not taking up for EPE but that information about the pyramid suit wouldn't mean too much to the casual fan but does to the die hard fans. I remember when I went to Gracleand I had to correct the tour guides constantly for mislead information.

I'll never forget an older man (from America) who asked his wife "who is Lisa Marie". If I had been drinking a coke at that very moment, it would have been spit all over the place from laughing in shock.:lmfao:

[King_Creole]

I remember when I went to Gracleand I had to correct the tour guides constantly for mislead information.

If I had been drinking a coke at this very moment, it would have been spit all over the place from laughing in shock.:lmfao:

[Tommy]

One thing is true: The suit on the left was never used during the Aloha Special. It is a suit made for touring and this was indeed a larger version.

But Elvis did use two different suits during both performances because at first two versions were made. One for the 12th and one for the 14th. If you compare pictures of the rehearsal sho with pictures of the satellite show you can see that the pattern on the belly is different.
Where the eagle's tail ends you see two tiny gold stars on each side of the belly. On the reahearsal suit an extra large gold star is present on the right side. That one is missing from the satellite suit.

I also have a copy of the bill of sale dated January 17th, 1973. A bill for two jumpsuits. One with the long cape and one with matching cape.
Both suits were delivered on time. Elvis never got a bill for something that was not delivered.

Another myth is that Bill Belew designd this suit. This is simply not true because they were designed by Gene Doucette.


Thumbs up Leroy, I know this is true if you have stated it.(y)(y)(y) You are really the expert when it comes to all of Elvis' jumpsuits, etc.(y)(y)

[thehillbillycat]

So you're saying that there was indeed two different suits worn for the Aloha shows? That's news to me. Not saying it's not true. I still question the Liberace style cape though. I do recall years ago hearing that EP did have two separate capes made for the shows. But never one like what is posted above. Although that is a piece of art itself. But why on earth would EPE sell something that unique and beautiful? Unless it wasn't authentic?:hmm:


Yes, there were two different suits that was worn with one a few minor changes which Leroy pointed out. I believe Elvis wanted the long cape for the suit since he didn't have one and it would of made a more impact with the concert. It would of been glorious of him gracing the stage with a long cape. But it was just too heavy.
I don't know when he had the other Aloha suit made but it was some before the April tour. I guess he order the cape the same time he order that other suit.

As for EPE, it wasn't unusual of them selling things that is authentic. They used to hold auctions and sold the items. That is how some of the soundboard concert made it to private hands now because of that reason.

[rocknroll]

If I had been drinking a coke at this very moment, it would have been spit all over the place from laughing in shock.:lmfao:

hehehehe. Funny.

Actually, when he left the tour guides probably rolled their eyes and said, "not another one".

[keke23]

OMG...that large cape is GORGEOUS! Why would they sell somethin like that? It should be on display at Graceland.

I never knew that about the suits as well. It's not like I ever cared enough to take the time to realise if it was 2 different, lol.

Some folks got too much time on their hands.

[thehillbillycat]

OMG...that large cape is GORGEOUS! Why would they sell somethin like that? It should be on display at Graceland.

I never knew that about the suits as well. It's not like I ever cared enough to take the time to realise if it was 2 different, lol.

Some folks got too much time on their hands.


He had three suits of the Aloha. Two he wore during the Rehearsal and Telecast and the other was wore during the other dates of 1973 and 1974.

[ksimms2]

this is why some of you are called "jump suit junkies" right? I would never have known had you not told us...so thank you for sharing this info...

[thehillbillycat]

I wouldn't classify myself as a Jumpsuit Junkie. Leroy knows more infomation than I do.

[elvis himselvis]

I heard on this website that the original Aloha from Hawaii Jumpsuit is on display in Las Vegas,and not in Graceland.....???????

[Tony Trout]

I heard on this website that the original Aloha from Hawaii Jumpsuit is on display in Las Vegas,and not in Graceland.....???????


The original "Aloha From Hawaii" jumpsuit is now in display at Graceland along with the third "Aloha Bald-Headed Eagle" suit which was designed after the Aloha show because Elvis had gained a bit more weight by this time. If I'm correct, the last time Elvis wore the actual "Aloha" suit was during his February 1973 Vegas engagement...is that correct, Leroy??

[toffe]

Thanks for info, the cape was enormous.
But i am a little confused.... Is it Total 3 Capes, 2 for the aloha shows and 1 for using on tour?

[Leroy]

One long cape for the Aloha Show (which has never been used)
One regular cape for the Aloha Show (Elvis used this one on both suits and trew it in the audience at the end of the Satellite Show)
One cape regular cape for the tour version of this suits.

So it will be a total of three.

But there is one thing I wonder about. Unfortunately I don't have time to write it down because I'm almost due to work. I will come back on this subject.

[toffe]

One long cape for the Aloha Show (which has never been used)
One regular cape for the Aloha Show (Elvis used this one on both suits and trew it in the audience at the end of the Satellite Show)
One cape regular cape for the tour version of this suits.

So it will be a total of three.

But there is one thing I wonder about. Unfortunately I don't have time to write it down because I'm almost due to work. I will come back on this subject.

Okei, thank you Leroy, and also 3 suits then!

[Tony Trout]

Okei, thank you Leroy, and also 3 suits then!


I'm not Leroy but, yes, there were three suits. One (1) for the rehearsal show on January 12, 1973 and one (1) for the actual satellite broadcast on January 14, 1973 and one (1) for the tours later that year and into 1974.

OK..lemme throw this at everyone....we all know that Graceland now has the jumpsuit from the actual "Aloha" telecast from January 14, 1973 but I wonder whatever happened to the suit used in the rehearsal show from January 12, 1973?

Oh, and Leroy? When looking at the photo on the website here the suit that is displayed on the "right" side is the larger jumpsuit that was used for the later tours of 1973 & 1974....from your original post it kinda sounds like you're saying that the suit (on what would be "my" right when looking at the photo here in this thread on the site) is the actual "Aloha" suit.

(I ain't bein' "picky"...just trying to clear up some possible confusion it may cause some people.)

You are absolutely "The Man" when it comes to the information 'bout the jumpsuits, dude....you rock!!

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[toffe]

Thanks for info Tony Trout.

[jon_burrows]

Ok guys, so what you're saying is that the suit which is presently on display in Graceland is the Aloha Suit. Here is a photo of the "Graceland suit" from the beginning of August
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1481.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1482.jpg

[Tony Trout]

Ok guys, so what you're saying is that the suit which is presently on display in Graceland is the Aloha Suit. Here is a photo of the "Graceland suit" from the beginning of August
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1481.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1482.jpg


The suit that is pictured here (if I'm thinking correctly) is the second suit that was manufactured in the later months of 1973 and into 1974.

[Leroy]

The third suit!

[Tony Trout]

The third suit!


OOOPPSS! Yep, you're right...I just had a momentary lapse of brain wave activity and forgot...:P:P


(By the way, please check your PM's Leroy...)

[thehillbillycat]

Ok guys, so what you're saying is that the suit which is presently on display in Graceland is the Aloha Suit. Here is a photo of the "Graceland suit" from the beginning of August
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1481.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1482.jpg


That is the Aloha suit but not the one he wore during the Rehearsal or Telecast. That is the third suit in which he wore during the tour of the other states in 1973 and 1974.

The cape that is display is the actual cape in which he threw into the audience and made it way back to Graceland.

[jon_burrows]

That is the Aloha suit but not the one he wore during the Rehearsal or Telecast. That is the third suit in which he wore during the tour of the other states in 1973 and 1974.

The cape that is display is the actual cape in which he threw into the audience and made it way back to Graceland.


Yeah, this is what I thought. Thanks.

[Memory]

The cape don't see so big and fantastic in television or Dvd.

[jon_burrows]

The cape don't see so big and fantastic in television or Dvd.


This cape pictured above was worn in the Aloha Concert.



It isn't the original long cape which is shown below.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/BillBelew-LongCape.jpg

[Getlo]

This is the cape worn in the Aloha Concert.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/BillBelew-LongCape.jpg

What???

Elvis wore the short cape in both Aloha shows!

[thehillbillycat]

What???

Elvis wore the short cape in both Aloha shows!


No, he meant the cape that you see in the post by jon_burrows is the one he wore in the Aloha shows.

Remember, he said this.

This cape pictured above was worn in the Aloha Concert. meaning the photos of the cape at Graceland.
It isn't the original long cape which is shown below. which he showed below.

The long cape is the first cape for the Aloha suit. It was the original cape but it was too heavy for Elvis. The short cape was the second one and that is the one Elvis threw in the audience.

[King_Creole]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5954/aloha74kb0.jpg

[Tony Trout]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5954/aloha74kb0.jpg


This photo is the third "Aloha Bald-Headed Eagle" suit that was used during later tours of 1973 and 1974. If I'm also correct the belt he is wearing is also different.

[thehillbillycat]

This photo is the third "Aloha Bald-Headed Eagle" suit that was used during later tours of 1973 and 1974. If I'm also correct the belt he is wearing is also different.


Right on both accounts. That is the third Aloha Suit. The Belt is the different as well. The first belt was given to Jack Lord. The second belt was thrown into the audience during the telecast. Those belts had stars in the middle on the top and bottom rows on the buckle. The third belt had red stones at those locations.

Notice photo from Aloha:
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=38443&c=27

Here is the third Aloha suit during 05-13-73:
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=37431&c=31

[Tony Trout]

Right on both accounts. That is the third Aloha Suit. The Belt is the different as well. The first belt was given to Jack Lord. The second belt was thrown into the audience during the telecast. Those belts had stars in the middle on the top and bottom rows on the buckle. The third belt had red stones at those locations.

Notice photo from Aloha:
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=38443&c=27

Here is the third Aloha suit during 05-13-73:
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=37431&c=31




What caused Elvis to give the very first belt away to Jack Lord? Was it another moment of his being generous to a fellow entertainer that he admired??

[thehillbillycat]

What caused Elvis to give the very first belt away to Jack Lord? Was it another moment of his being generous to a fellow entertainer that he admired??


I guess. I really don't know. Jack Lord showed it during a interview a few years before he passed away.

[Nobody]

This is what I just found on the mesageboard Pep writing a bout Leroy Smith article

Now Pep is saying Leroy is misstaken and only one suit was made for Aloha

But didn't Angie Marchese write to Pep the following e-mail:

Not the invoice from January 73. IC only invoiced items once they were give to Elvis not when they were ordered. Vernon would only pay for items that they had received. That was his way of making sure they got what they were being billed for. That is apparent over and over again as we go through the document collection.

It also has been rumored for many years that the 2nd Aloha/Eagle suit was not delivery to Graceland until March of 1973. I had heard and at one time believed that as well. Because a person involved with the making of the suits had told that to me.

One thing I have learned from being in the archives is that memories and stories do fade and change over the years. That is why we rely on our documents/photos and videos to confirm historical fact about our collection.

As mentioned before, it was by close viewing of both shows and photo research in our collection that you can confirm without a doubt that the suits worn by Elvis in those shows are different, small differences, but enough of them to confirm that there were indeed two (2) Eagle Suits in Hawaii in January 1973.

Hope this answers your questions,

Angie


According to Leroy (and I believe that he's also a member here but I'm not sure), Elvis used two different jumpsuits for the Aloha shows. He wore one suit for the rehearsal and a different suit for the actual "Aloha" telecast and then there was another "Aloha Bald-Headed Eagle" suit that was manufactured after the February 1973 LV shows for use on the later tours of that year and into a part of 1974 because Elvis had gained some weight.

Take Care,
Tony T.

In my opinion I think Leroy is mistaken, here again for a number of reasons.

One of the main reasons is because of what Angie said as it makes sense an like I said there appears to be No motive for EPE to hide information at least for something like this.

Two because if we go a little further on our own we can see the dart area going through the three nail heads in the same way on the left hand side of the suit which is like an imprint which can be seen on the front of the suit are consistent from the suit worn on January 12th 1973 through to 1974.

Third reason because there was No reason to have a third suit made.

Fourth reason by the time 74' came around the suit was starting to look small on Elvis as it was not fitting on him the way that it should have because of the extra weight gain which can even be seen in this picture the suit is stretched to the point where the zipper is visable.

Yet there appears to be nothing let out on the suit nor does it appear any nail heads were taken off and put on a different area of the suit or that there seems to be new nail heads added, the suit itself has only been stretched by what we can see in the picture nothing more, because the suit was originally designed to fit Elvis back in January of 73'.

There is nothing that I can see or that has been said at this point to have me believe there was a third suit, an that I guess is the bottom line.

[thehillbillycat]

I would not believe word over there at all. They want you believe what they said. There has been proof of three Aloha suits. The two that is display at Graceland is what I would call the first and third suits. I say this because:

1. The Rehearsal Suit was worn first and the other suit was worn during the 1973/1974 tours.

The actual Aloha Suit the he wore in the telecast has never been display at Graceland to my knowledge.

Now, if you ever noticed. Graceland folks can never make up there minds at all. Some times when you see the third suit that it is display with either the later belt for the suit or with the 1969 Gold Attendance Belt.

I bet he believes Graceland when they say that Elvis recieve the Gold Attendence Belt in 1970 when actually he receieve it in 1969.

He believes that they wouldn't lie about these things but when given proof of certain things they still back up what they say.

He says that Ed Parker got the original Aloha belt when actually Jack Lord got it. Jack Lord even showed the belt on TV a few years before he passed away and said that this is the original belt and not the one he threw into the audience. Jack Lord did recieve another belt too later on from Elvis. The Aloha belt that Jack Lord owned is still within the family.


I would say take the word for a expert on jumpsuits like Leroy then anyone from FECC who thinks the people at Graceland tell 100% truth.

[Tony Trout]

I would not believe word over there at all. They want you believe what they said. There has been proof of three Aloha suits. The two that is display at Graceland is what I would call the first and third suits. I say this because:

1. The Rehearsal Suit was worn first and the other suit was worn during the 1973/1974 tours.

The actual Aloha Suit the he wore in the telecast has never been display at Graceland to my knowledge.

Now, if you ever noticed. Graceland folks can never make up there minds at all. Some times when you see the third suit that it is display with either the later belt for the suit or with the 1969 Gold Attendance Belt.

I bet he believes Graceland when they say that Elvis recieve the Gold Attendence Belt in 1970 when actually he receieve it in 1969.

He believes that they wouldn't lie about these things but when given proof of certain things they still back up what they say.

He says that Ed Parker got the original Aloha belt when actually Jack Lord got it. Jack Lord even showed the belt on TV a few years before he passed away and said that this is the original belt and not the one he threw into the audience. Jack Lord did recieve another belt too later on from Elvis. The Aloha belt that Jack Lord owned is still within the family.


I would say take the word for a expert on jumpsuits like Leroy then anyone from FECC who thinks the people at Graceland tell 100% truth.


I visit the FECC board sometimes and I confronted PEP about the obvious mistakes in the info he had posted. I still say that Leroy is 'Da Man" when it comes to jumpsuit info!!

[thehillbillycat]

I visit the FECC board sometimes and I confronted PEP about the obvious mistakes in the info he had posted. I still say that Leroy is 'Da Man" when it comes to jumpsuit info!!


Same here!!!(y)

[Nobody]

The Aloha belt that Jack Lord owned is still within the family.

Can anyone support this story?

Only the belt Elvis threw into the crowd are accounted for.

[thehillbillycat]

The Aloha belt that Jack Lord owned is still within the family.

Can anyone support this story?

Only the belt Elvis threw into the crowd are accounted for.

Elvis never threw the original belt in the crowd at all. He gave it to Jack Lord on January 10. A day after he arrived in Hawaii. The belt that he threw in the crowd has never been located. It is strongly believe that it is still in private hands. Who that person is, that is the question.

But as I have said, The Original Aloha belt is still owned by the family of Jack Lord. Why is this a fact. Ok, 1. as I have said, Jack Lord showed the belt during a interview so the story of him recieving the belt is fact. 2. The belt was located two years after he passed away during a tribute anniversary of his death in 2001. It is owned now by a relative of Jack Lord who said this about it:

Marie (Jack Lord's widow) gave the belt away a few months before the auction to her cousin. She knew that it meant so much to Jack and that it should stay with in the family.

[KPM]

I would not believe word over there at all. They want you believe what they said. There has been proof of three Aloha suits. The two that is display at Graceland is what I would call the first and third suits. I say this because:

1. The Rehearsal Suit was worn first and the other suit was worn during the 1973/1974 tours.

The actual Aloha Suit the he wore in the telecast has never been display at Graceland to my knowledge.

Now, if you ever noticed. Graceland folks can never make up there minds at all. Some times when you see the third suit that it is display with either the later belt for the suit or with the 1969 Gold Attendance Belt.

I bet he believes Graceland when they say that Elvis recieve the Gold Attendence Belt in 1970 when actually he receieve it in 1969.

He believes that they wouldn't lie about these things but when given proof of certain things they still back up what they say.

He says that Ed Parker got the original Aloha belt when actually Jack Lord got it. Jack Lord even showed the belt on TV a few years before he passed away and said that this is the original belt and not the one he threw into the audience. Jack Lord did recieve another belt too later on from Elvis. The Aloha belt that Jack Lord owned is still within the family.


I would say take the word for a expert on jumpsuits like Leroy then anyone from FECC who thinks the people at Graceland tell 100% truth.
I have read in the Book "Elvis Day by Day" that Elvis was presented the Gold Championship Attendance Belt on Monday Sept. 7th, 1970 after his 3rd sold out Las Vegas stint at the International. What date do you have in 69 for this? I can not recall seeing Elvis in a picture wear this belt until Elvis visited Washington and saw Nixon Dec. 1970.(but that doe not mean he didn't just I've never seen a pic) It would seem he would have worn it before then in public if he had got it in 69?

[Tony Trout]

I would not believe word over there at all. They want you believe what they said. There has been proof of three Aloha suits. The two that is display at Graceland is what I would call the first and third suits. I say this because:

1. The Rehearsal Suit was worn first and the other suit was worn during the 1973/1974 tours.

The actual Aloha Suit the he wore in the telecast has never been display at Graceland to my knowledge.



I'm confused now....are you saying that one of the suits that Graceland has on display as being the actual "Aloha" suit isn't the suit that he wore in the main show on January 14, 1973??

[thehillbillycat]

I'm confused now....are you saying that one of the suits that Graceland has on display as being the actual "Aloha" suit isn't the suit that he wore in the main show on January 14, 1973??


You are quick and smart. That is exactly what I and Leroy is saying. The photo of the two suits side by side in the display case which I believe you have seen by now. The one on the left is not the one he wore during the Aloha telecast. That is what Leroy and I have been saying.

Here is the second post from this topic by Leroy:
One thing is true: The suit on the left was never used during the Aloha Special. It is a suit made for touring and this was indeed a larger version.

But Elvis did use two different suits during both performances because at first two versions were made. One for the 12th and one for the 14th. If you compare pictures of the rehearsal show with pictures of the satellite show you can see that the pattern on the belly is different.
Where the eagle's tail ends you see two tiny gold stars on each side of the belly. On the reahearsal suit an extra large gold star is present on the right side. That one is missing from the satellite suit.

I also have a copy of the bill of sale dated January 17th, 1973. A bill for two jumpsuits. One with the long cape and one with matching cape.
Both suits were delivered on time. Elvis never got a bill for something that was not delivered.

Another myth is that Bill Belew designd this suit. This is simply not true because they were designed by Gene Doucette.


So with that being said, Please ask those on FECC if Graceland and EPE are so smart why would they say things like "The White Pyramind was worn at Madison Square Garden". I had a friend to asked the tour guide this question and he told the people Elvis did wear the White Pyramind jumpsuit during the Madison Square Garden concerts.

As for the Gold Attendence Belt KPM, it has already been talked about by Leroy and several other members that the belt wasn't given to Elvis on September 7, 1970.

Let's see if I can get this right.

The key to figure out when he got the belt is in the sideburns.

During 1969, Elvis had smaller sideburns than in 1970.
Please look at these photos on these links.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3435/60sreturnoftheking053cn7.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=60sreturnoftheking053cn7.jpg)
This photo is from 1969 during the press conference. Take note on the sideburn. Seems small compare to this from Spetember 9, 1970 which is only two days after supposely when he got the Gold Attendence Belt.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9297/mydisc14ew5.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mydisc14ew5.jpg)
This photo was taken at the Phoenix airport.

Here is another one from Spetember 9, 1970:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1626/09sep70830pm03kh6.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09sep70830pm03kh6.jpg)

Now, with that being said. Look at this photo.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5732/goldattendancebelt19690xm0.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldattendancebelt19690xm0.jpg)

Here is Elvis being given the Gold Attendence Belt as we can see. Note, the sideburn. Smaller than September 7, 1970. When compare to the 1970 photo that was taken at the Phoenix Airport to the "1970" photo of Elvis given the belt, I will put this question to you KPM.

How can sideburns grow that quickly when compare with the photos to prove that the sideburns are completely different from each other?

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9297/mydisc14ew5.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mydisc14ew5.jpg)
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5732/goldattendancebelt19690xm0.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldattendancebelt19690xm0.jpg)

The evidence is right in front of you. The one in the bottom photo is supposely from September 7, 1970 while the top is 100% from September 9, 1970. So that me, Leroy and several others thinks that Elvis was given the Gold Attendence Belt in 1969 and not in 1970. When in 1969? We really don't know. But as I have said, photos doesn't lie when looking carefully and studing

My hair grows fast. I can get my hair just like Elvis' hair was in 1977 in about three months. I take my hair from my mom. My hair is also thick just as Elvis too. But my hair doesn't grow that fast either. I also don't think anyone else hair grows that fast not even Elvis'. If Elvis hair does grows that fast then as Leroy said on TKC, WE HAVE A NATURAL WONDER!!!!!!:P


I hope I got what I say right.

Now, does this 100% say that Elvis got his belt in 1969. No it really doesn't but his sideburns does look like a typical 69 look sideburn. But why the photo two days later shows Elvis with bigger sideburns? Quite, a puzzle isn't it. But it does leads towards that Elvis got his belt in 1969. Also, in my book Elvis Day By Day it says the following: History tells that Elvis recieved the Gold Attendence Belt on September 7, 1970 but it has been a doubt about that because of some photos from that dates shows bigger sideburns than the one that was supposely taken on that day. Now, why would that book say that?

[KPM]

You are quick and smart. That is exactly what I and Leroy is saying. The photo of the two suits side by side in the display case which I believe you have seen by now. The one on the left is not the one he wore during the Aloha telecast. That is what Leroy and I have been saying.

Here is the second post from this topic by Leroy:
One thing is true: The suit on the left was never used during the Aloha Special. It is a suit made for touring and this was indeed a larger version.

But Elvis did use two different suits during both performances because at first two versions were made. One for the 12th and one for the 14th. If you compare pictures of the rehearsal show with pictures of the satellite show you can see that the pattern on the belly is different.
Where the eagle's tail ends you see two tiny gold stars on each side of the belly. On the reahearsal suit an extra large gold star is present on the right side. That one is missing from the satellite suit.

I also have a copy of the bill of sale dated January 17th, 1973. A bill for two jumpsuits. One with the long cape and one with matching cape.
Both suits were delivered on time. Elvis never got a bill for something that was not delivered.

Another myth is that Bill Belew designd this suit. This is simply not true because they were designed by Gene Doucette.


So with that being said, Please ask those on FECC if Graceland and EPE are so smart why would they say things like "The White Pyramind was worn at Madison Square Garden". I had a friend to asked the tour guide this question and he told the people Elvis did wear the White Pyramind jumpsuit during the Madison Square Garden concerts.

As for the Gold Attendence Belt KPM, it has already been talked about by Leroy and several other members that the belt wasn't given to Elvis on September 7, 1970.

Let's see if I can get this right.

The key to figure out when he got the belt is in the sideburns.

During 1969, Elvis had smaller sideburns than in 1970.
Please look at these photos on these links.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=33679&c=85
This photo is from 1969 during the press conference. Take note on the sideburn. Seems small compare to this from Spetember 9, 1970 which is only two days after supposely when he got the Gold Attendence Belt.
http://elvis-tkc.com/forum2/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1918

Now, with that being said. Look at this photo.
http://elvis-tkc.com/forum2/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1919

Here is Elvis being given the Gold Attendence Belt as we can see. Note, the sideburn. Smaller than September 7, 1970. When compare to the 1970 photo that was taken at the Phoenix Airport to the "1970" photo of Elvis given the belt, I will put this question to you KPM.

How can sideburns grow that quickly when compare with the photos to prove that the sideburns are completely different from each other?

http://elvis-tkc.com/forum2/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1918
http://elvis-tkc.com/forum2/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1919

The evidence is right in front of you. The one in the bottom photo is supposely from September 7, 1970 while the top is 100% from September 9, 1970. So that me, Leroy and several others thinks that Elvis was given the Gold Attendence Belt in 1969 and not in 1970. When in 1969? We really don't know. But as I have said, photos doesn't lie when looking carefully and studing

My hair grows fast. My hair is also think just as Elvis. But my hair doesn't grow that fast. I also don't think anyone else hair grows that fast not even Elvis'. If Elvis hair does grows that fast then as Leroy said on TKC, WE HAVE A NATURAL WONDER!!!!!!:P


I hope I got what I say right.
Followed your links and was unable to see the pictures, because it said I was not logged in.
As for pictures being evidence because of sideburns to long or short-I have no clue as to why they might look different. I probably would not be cinvinced by sideburn length anyway. You would convince me if you can find a photo which shows him wearing it earlier than Dec. 1970 when he met Nixon. I have looked thru several books and web sites and there is no picture I can find before the Nixon meeting. You would have to admit it is pretty coincidental that they claim Sept 70 and the first pic is Dec. 70 just a few months later.
I did find that after his first Vegas engagement was over The Hotel gave him and 8 friends a all expense vacation to Hawaii as a bonus. So all I can say is till a picture crops up that shows him in the belt before the Nixon photo or some definitive info shows up I will go on the assumption that the editors and writers of the "Day by Day" book must have had reason to settle on that date. But thats just my view.

[KPM]

[QUOTE=Elvislennon2004.

Now, does this 100% say that Elvis got his belt in 1969. No it really doesn't but his sideburns does look like a typical 69 look sideburn. But why the photo two days later shows Elvis with bigger sideburns? Quite, a puzzle isn't it. But it does leads towards that Elvis got his belt in 1969. Also, in my book Elvis Day By Day it says the following: History tells that Elvis recieved the Gold Attendence Belt on September 7, 1970 but it has been a doubt about that because of some photos from that dates shows bigger sideburns than the one that was supposely taken on that day. Now, why would that book say that?[/QUOTE]
Well I'm not sure we are talking about the same book. The one I have is written by Peter Guralnick and Ernst Jorgenson. The text you mention is not in the info for 9-7-70? It mentions that on that date, 9-7-70, the Col. got Elvis an extra $12,500 for a 3:30 third show that night and that the Gold Belt was given. So maybe we are looking at 2 different books. I looked at your pictures and see some difference but its hard to tell distinctly- because there is greater distance in the airport photo and the tilt of his head is very different in both pics and the shadows are also. I think I have a plausable explanation-Elvis combed his sideburns back and up sometimes so that the longer hairs can be seen to kind of curl back toward the ear. But when his hair was not combed so neat or was mussed, the sideburns looked longer & bushier because they just hung down on the sides.
That would explain the longer/shorter sideburn look.

[KPM]

I posted another picture from the presentation of the belt in the Gallery. Did not kow how to post it here. In this one because of shadows its also hard to judge hair and sideburn length.

[thehillbillycat]

Well I'm not sure we are talking about the same book. The one I have is written by Peter Guralnick and Ernst Jorgenson. The text you mention is not in the info for 9-7-70? It mentions that on that date, 9-7-70, the Col. got Elvis an extra $12,500 for a 3:30 third show that night and that the Gold Belt was given. So maybe we are looking at 2 different books. I looked at your pictures and see some difference but its hard to tell distinctly- because there is greater distance in the airport photo and the tilt of his head is very different in both pics and the shadows are also. I think I have a plausable explanation-Elvis combed his sideburns back and up sometimes so that the longer hairs can be seen to kind of curl back toward the ear. But when his hair was not combed so neat or was mussed, the sideburns looked longer & bushier because they just hung down on the sides.
That would explain the longer/shorter sideburn look.

There is several different Elvis Day By Day. But your explanaton on the sideburns, I have already ask someone about that as well. The person said he wouldn't be able make them that long at all by just combing them. He says maybe using extentions yes but naturally combing no it couldn't happen. That is from hair expert who being growning hair for over 40 years.

My Elvis Day By Day book shows a photo of Elvis wearing the belt on October 1970. It is the first known photo of Elvis wearing the belt. Now, has any photo of Elvis wearing the belt in 1969 appear. No it hasn't.
But also is to consider is the physical appearance of Elvis himself is typical for 1969.

Now, I hope Leroy doesn't mind this just trying to make a point here. I amd using quotes by Leroy from TKC.

He went to the meeting on October 2005.
Quote:
"Last sunday I went to an Elvis meeting in Rotterdam (the very first meeting I attended in my life, could you believe it?). The main reason for me was because Bill Belew was there and I was eager to talk to him. More about this later. I also spoke briefly (almost 4 hours) with Butch Polston from B & K Enterprises. A really entertaining man full of stories. Believe me guys, if he would ever decide to write a book he would blow me away. I thought I knew much....... :'(
Anyway, he was in a heated discussion about the "Mexican Sundial" when I approached him. After introducing myself I layed down some questions and off course one of the questions was about the "Gold Attendance Belt" and the hard headed pose of the Graceland Archives in this matter.

Butch knew the man who manufactured the belt (unfortunately he died) but Butch told me he saw the bill and it definately said 1969. He also told a story about the belt being lost for many years. It was stored away in a leather case. But nobody knew about this case they were just looking for the belt and couldn't find it. Until someone got the spirit to look upstair in the attick where Elvis kept all of his mother's clothes and stuff. There in a trunk they find the case with the belt. "


Now, for those who doesn't know. The jewels that is on the belt wasn't on there originally they was put on the belt on March 12, 1971. Here is the bill of sale:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7492/accountbeltgr8.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=accountbeltgr8.jpg)

Here is another photo from Septembet 9, 1970:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2249/090970phoenix9saqa0.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090970phoenix9saqa0.jpg)

Photo of Elvis receiving the belt:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1103/alexandelviswz3.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexandelviswz3.jpg)


When looking at the evidence and photos. You can see differences in the sideburns. KPM, look through the photos on here from 1969 and then from the photos I provided and look at the differences.


But until a photo or a newspaper clipping that shows that Elvis recieve the belt in 1969 it can't be 100% confirmed. But it can be confirmed though that Elvis didn't get the belt on September 7, 1970 just by looking at his physical appearance.

[Tony Trout]

You are quick and smart. That is exactly what I and Leroy is saying. The photo of the two suits side by side in the display case which I believe you have seen by now. The one on the left is not the one he wore during the Aloha telecast. That is what Leroy and I have been saying.

Here is the second post from this topic by Leroy:
One thing is true: The suit on the left was never used during the Aloha Special. It is a suit made for touring and this was indeed a larger version.

But Elvis did use two different suits during both performances because at first two versions were made. One for the 12th and one for the 14th. If you compare pictures of the rehearsal show with pictures of the satellite show you can see that the pattern on the belly is different.
Where the eagle's tail ends you see two tiny gold stars on each side of the belly. On the reahearsal suit an extra large gold star is present on the right side. That one is missing from the satellite suit.


Now, wait a minute....when looking at the photo of the jumpsuits on the website here, I can tell that the one on what would be "my" left is smaller than the one on the "right". Is that suit pn the "left" of the picture not the actual "Aloha" suit he wore in the special?

[thehillbillycat]

Is that suit pn the "left" of the picture not the actual "Aloha" suit he wore in the special?


Correct!!!!!(y)

[alstrada]

http://webbuilder.hostbasket.com/siteimages/30156/aloha6ry4(5).jpg

[Tony Trout]

Correct!!!!!(y)



If that suit isn't the real "Aloha" suit then which suit is it?? It looks like it's the same suit he wore in the "Aloha" special........or my eyes are getting worse on me than I thought.....


I thought originally that Leroy was confirming that the suit on what is my "left" when looking at the photos is, in fact, the January 14, 1973 "AFH" jumpsuit.....y'all are confusing the **** outta me....:P:P

[boogie]

There is several different Elvis Day By Day. But your explanaton on the sideburns, I have already ask someone about that as well. The person said he wouldn't be able make them that long at all by just combing them. He says maybe using extentions yes but naturally combing no it couldn't happen. That is from hair expert who being growning hair for over 40 years.

My Elvis Day By Day book shows a photo of Elvis wearing the belt on October 1970. It is the first known photo of Elvis wearing the belt. Now, has any photo of Elvis wearing the belt in 1969 appear. No it hasn't.
But also is to consider is the physical appearance of Elvis himself is typical for 1969.

Now, I hope Leroy doesn't mind this just trying to make a point here. I amd using quotes by Leroy from TKC.

He went to the meeting on October 2005.
Quote:
"Last sunday I went to an Elvis meeting in Rotterdam (the very first meeting I attended in my life, could you believe it?). The main reason for me was because Bill Belew was there and I was eager to talk to him. More about this later. I also spoke briefly (almost 4 hours) with Butch Polston from B & K Enterprises. A really entertaining man full of stories. Believe me guys, if he would ever decide to write a book he would blow me away. I thought I knew much....... :'(
Anyway, he was in a heated discussion about the "Mexican Sundial" when I approached him. After introducing myself I layed down some questions and off course one of the questions was about the "Gold Attendance Belt" and the hard headed pose of the Graceland Archives in this matter.

Butch knew the man who manufactured the belt (unfortunately he died) but Butch told me he saw the bill and it definately said 1969. He also told a story about the belt being lost for many years. It was stored away in a leather case. But nobody knew about this case they were just looking for the belt and couldn't find it. Until someone got the spirit to look upstair in the attick where Elvis kept all of his mother's clothes and stuff. There in a trunk they find the case with the belt. "


Now, for those who doesn't know. The jewels that is on the belt wasn't on there originally they was put on the belt on March 12, 1971. Here is the bill of sale:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7492/accountbeltgr8.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=accountbeltgr8.jpg)

Here is another photo from Septembet 9, 1970:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2249/090970phoenix9saqa0.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090970phoenix9saqa0.jpg)

Photo of Elvis receiving the belt:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1103/alexandelviswz3.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexandelviswz3.jpg)


When looking at the evidence and photos. You can see differences in the sideburns. KPM, look through the photos on here from 1969 and then from the photos I provided and look at the differences.


But until a photo or a newspaper clipping that shows that Elvis recieve the belt in 1969 it can't be 100% confirmed. But it can be confirmed though that Elvis didn't get the belt on September 7, 1970 just by looking at his physical appearance.





to me it's so clear that the pic where Elvis recieved the belt is in 1969,
when you see the suit he wears , it must be before or after a vegas '69 concert...;)

[thehillbillycat]

If that suit isn't the real "Aloha" suit then which suit is it?? It looks like it's the same suit he wore in the "Aloha" special........or my eyes are getting worse on me than I thought.....


I thought originally that Leroy was confirming that the suit on what is my "left" when looking at the photos is, in fact, the January 14, 1973 "AFH" jumpsuit.....y'all are confusing the **** outta me....:P:P


No confusing about it.
Leroy said it was the third suit. The third suit wasn't worn in the Telecast. Far away looks can fool the average person who doesn't know to much about jumpsuits. The real Aloha suit has never been display any where to my knowledge but I am not saying it hasn't. I never seen a photo of it being display if it was display at Graceland or somewhere else.

[thehillbillycat]

Here is the quote coming from you and then the quick reply fro Leroy.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1481.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1482.jpg



The suit that is pictured here (if I'm thinking correctly) is the second suit that was manufactured in the later months of 1973 and into 1974.


The third suit!


See, even Leroy said it was the Third Suit.

The first suit was wron during the rehearsal show.
The second suit was worn on the Aloha Telecast.
The third suit was worn during the 1973/1974 tours.

[thehillbillycat]

to me it's so clear that the pic where Elvis recieved the belt is in 1969,
when you see the suit he wears , it must be before or after a vegas '69 concert...;)

I would say it is after the 1969 Concert return Vegas engagement. It even could be September 7, 1969 since Elvis didn't do any more concerts in 1969 after August 28. But as I have said, if he did get it in 1969 there is no proof of a photo or newspaper clipping to back it up. Us fans who thinks it is from 1969 are going by his physical appearance.


Here is one of the b/e airport photos that I posted and now the photo is not in a angle as it was when I posted it.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8573/sept91970ff5.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sept91970ff5.jpg)

[Tony Trout]

Here is the quote coming from you and then the quick reply fro Leroy.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1481.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1482.jpg







See, even Leroy said it was the Third Suit.

The first suit was wron during the rehearsal show.
The second suit was worn on the Aloha Telecast.
The third suit was worn during the 1973/1974 tours.


I'm still kinda confused....

I know that the suit on what would be my "right" when looking at the photo is the "third" suit...but which suit is the suit that's on the "left" in the photo? Which date did Elvis wear that particular jumpsuit?? It looks identical to the one he wore during the actual "Aloha" telecast.


And in regards to the belt that was given to Jack Lord: I've always been under the impression that the belt to the "Thunderbird" suit was the one given to him.....I guess I was wrong on that one as well....

****, this stuff can get so confusing...LOL!!

[thehillbillycat]

I'm still kinda confused....

I know that the suit on what would be my "right" when looking at the photo is the "third" suit...but which suit is the suit that's on the "left" in the photo? Which date did Elvis wear that particular jumpsuit?? It looks identical to the one he wore during the actual "Aloha" telecast.


And in regards to the belt that was given to Jack Lord: I've always been under the impression that the belt to the "Thunderbird" suit was the one given to him.....I guess I was wrong on that one as well....

****, this stuff can get so confusing...LOL!!


No, I believe you are confusing yourself. Let's go one more time or at least try......:P:lmfao::blink::D

Photo of two Aloha suits side by side with cape in the front when looking directly at the photo:

Left - is the third suit.
Right - is the first suit.


The Aloha suit that was worn during the Rehearsal Concert for Aloha From Hawaii on January 12, 1973 is the one on the right.

The Aloha suit that was worn on the follwoing known dates (which could be more) is the third suit and is on the left:
1973
April 30, 1973. (8:00 pm). Denver, CO.
April 28, 1973. (8:00 pm). Spokane, WA.
June 20, 1973 (8:30 pm). Mobile, AL.
June 27, 1973 (8:30 pm). Cincinnati, OH.
July 2, 1973 (8:30 pm) Oklahoma City, OK.

1974
March 6, 1974. (8:30 pm) Montgomery, AL.
March 12, 1974 (8:30 pm) Richmond, VA.
March 14, 1974 (8:30 pm) Murfreesboro, TN.
March 16, 1974 (2:30 pm) Memphis, TN.

[thehillbillycat]

Here is the same photo with the diagram of what suit is what so that there is no confusing about it:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3820/alohasuitsug6.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alohasuitsug6.jpg)

[Tony Trout]

No, I believe you are confusing yourself. Let's go one more time or at least try......:P:lmfao::blink::D

Photo of two Aloha suits side by side with cape in the front when looking directly at the photo:

Left - is the third suit.
Right - is the first suit.


The Aloha suit that was worn during the Rehearsal Concert for Aloha From Hawaii on January 12, 1973 is the one on the right.

The Aloha suit that was worn on the follwoing known dates (which could be more) is the third suit and is on the left:
1973
April 30, 1973. (8:00 pm). Denver, CO.
April 28, 1973. (8:00 pm). Spokane, WA.
June 20, 1973 (8:30 pm). Mobile, AL.
June 27, 1973 (8:30 pm). Cincinnati, OH.
July 2, 1973 (8:30 pm) Oklahoma City, OK.

1974
March 6, 1974. (8:30 pm) Montgomery, AL.
March 12, 1974 (8:30 pm) Richmond, VA.
March 14, 1974 (8:30 pm) Murfreesboro, TN.
March 16, 1974 (2:30 pm) Memphis, TN.


Here is the same photo with the diagram of what suit is what so that there is no confusing about it:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3820/alohasuitsug6.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alohasuitsug6.jpg)



So....from what I gather from this information.....this "actual" January 14, 1973 "Aloha" suit still has not been accounted for??


Something's not right here...I swear that the suit on the left looks exactly like the one he wore during the "Aloha" telecast and the suit on the right is the larger suit from the later months of 1973 and into 1974....that's the impression I was given when looking at the photo.

[thehillbillycat]

So....from what I gather from this information.....this "actual" January 14, 1973 "Aloha" suit still has not been accounted for??


Something's not right here...I swear that the suit on the left looks exactly like the one he wore during the "Aloha" telecast and the suit on the right is the larger suit from the later months of 1973 and into 1974....that's the impression I was given when looking at the photo.


I sse something wrong with the two Aloha suits. I can't say it right now because I need to go over with this with Leroy first to see what he thinks. I believe there is a puzzle that need to be slove quickly before we go on.

Leroy if you see this before your email please read it first as soon as I send it....:hmm:

[KPM]

There is several different Elvis Day By Day. But your explanaton on the sideburns, I have already ask someone about that as well. The person said he wouldn't be able make them that long at all by just combing them. He says maybe using extentions yes but naturally combing no it couldn't happen. That is from hair expert who being growning hair for over 40 years.

My Elvis Day By Day book shows a photo of Elvis wearing the belt on October 1970. It is the first known photo of Elvis wearing the belt. Now, has any photo of Elvis wearing the belt in 1969 appear. No it hasn't.
But also is to consider is the physical appearance of Elvis himself is typical for 1969.

Now, I hope Leroy doesn't mind this just trying to make a point here. I amd using quotes by Leroy from TKC.

He went to the meeting on October 2005.
Quote:
"Last sunday I went to an Elvis meeting in Rotterdam (the very first meeting I attended in my life, could you believe it?). The main reason for me was because Bill Belew was there and I was eager to talk to him. More about this later. I also spoke briefly (almost 4 hours) with Butch Polston from B & K Enterprises. A really entertaining man full of stories. Believe me guys, if he would ever decide to write a book he would blow me away. I thought I knew much....... :'(
Anyway, he was in a heated discussion about the "Mexican Sundial" when I approached him. After introducing myself I layed down some questions and off course one of the questions was about the "Gold Attendance Belt" and the hard headed pose of the Graceland Archives in this matter.

Butch knew the man who manufactured the belt (unfortunately he died) but Butch told me he saw the bill and it definately said 1969. He also told a story about the belt being lost for many years. It was stored away in a leather case. But nobody knew about this case they were just looking for the belt and couldn't find it. Until someone got the spirit to look upstair in the attick where Elvis kept all of his mother's clothes and stuff. There in a trunk they find the case with the belt. "


Now, for those who doesn't know. The jewels that is on the belt wasn't on there originally they was put on the belt on March 12, 1971. Here is the bill of sale:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7492/accountbeltgr8.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=accountbeltgr8.jpg)

Here is another photo from Septembet 9, 1970:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2249/090970phoenix9saqa0.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090970phoenix9saqa0.jpg)

Photo of Elvis receiving the belt:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1103/alexandelviswz3.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexandelviswz3.jpg)


When looking at the evidence and photos. You can see differences in the sideburns. KPM, look through the photos on here from 1969 and then from the photos I provided and look at the differences.


But until a photo or a newspaper clipping that shows that Elvis recieve the belt in 1969 it can't be 100% confirmed. But it can be confirmed though that Elvis didn't get the belt on September 7, 1970 just by looking at his physical appearance.
Well I just can't say so definitively from sideburns and pictures. Shading, type lens used, lighting, subjects expression (wide smile cheeks draw back-no smile cheeks lay flat) and as I noted hair style all make a difference in what you see in a flat picture. What I keep looking to is since Jorgenson and Guralnick both have researched Elvis for - probably all told together 20 years and since they have had access to thousands of records, logs, pictures etc-they must have gotten that date from somewhere? They had to be really sure for it to get through all the copy editors and rewrites to put anything in this book. Having looked at a photos I also noticed the hair length in relation to the high collars he wore and to be frank at times when his hair is in the collars it looks short. When its mussed over the collar it looks long and shaggy. Take a look at TTWII-at times it seems shorter than others when it is mussed. Of the concert scenes were shot close to a month before 9-07-70 and his hair would have grown some. I think IMO the jury is out on this as long as hair length is the only indication Or someone claiming to have seen the date for the belts delivery on an invoice. The gentleman may be 100% correct but there is no way to know for sure. I may try to find an e-mail or site for one of these guys and see if they will shed some light on where they got the date and why they were sure enough about it to print it as 9-07-70. Since Elvis gave a 3rd show that night at 3:30and the Col got the extra $12,500 for it I would think this night was a little easier to get documents and memorys -being the end of the month run. The earliest picture I found of him wearing the belt was on Dec 5th 70 at a wedding.

[Nobody]

Posted by Elvislennon2004:

I also spoke briefly (almost 4 hours) with Butch Polston from B & K Enterprises. A really entertaining man full of stories. Believe me guys, if he would ever decide to write a book he would blow me away. I thought I knew much.......

Then you better read the detailed long information as a statement Butch Polston made concerning the Aoha suits.

On Top of the page dated August 5th

http://www.epgold.com/news/index.html

[Tony Trout]

Then you better read the detailed long information as a statement Butch Polston made concerning the Aloha suits.

On Top of the page dated August 5th

http://www.epgold.com/news/index.html


So....according to Butch, only one (1) costume was produced for the "Aloha" telecast...am I correct?? Are we finally getting closer to solving this mystery?? :hmm::hmm:

[thehillbillycat]

So....according to Butch, only one (1) costume was produced for the "Aloha" telecast...am I correct?? Are we finally getting closer to solving this mystery?? :hmm::hmm:

Ok, I am back. I was so confused that it was funny. Now, I am back to normal (what ever you call normal).


Ok, I have look closely at the jumpsuits. I mean right next to the monitor and looking to see differences in the suits beside the extra star. Well, I do see one difference.

The eagle on the left is bigger than the one on the right. Also, the space between the eagle's tale and the row of eagles on the hip has a different distance.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5167/alohasuitsdisplay1rv3.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alohasuitsdisplay1rv3.jpg)

Now, with this along with the extra star on the one on the right I can say that it is indeed the Telecast suit.

But for the other one, is it a third suit or is it the rehearsal suit. I believe I found something that would proof what suit is which but I need a high quality photo of Elvis wearing the suit in 1973/74. I need a photo that you can see the top right (Elvis' right, our left when looking at the photo) of Elvis' jumpsuit.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by Tony Trout
So....according to Butch, only one (1) costume was produced for the "Aloha" telecast...am I correct?? Are we finally getting closer to solving this mystery??


Yes, according to Butch Polston only one Aloha suit was made and Elvis wore this suit on the Alternate show January 12 and the Telecast January 14

[thehillbillycat]

Yes, according to Butch Polston only one Aloha suit was made and Elvis wore this suit on the Alternate show January 12 and the Telecast January 14

Here is Elvis wearing the suit at the Rehearsal Show. Noticed the red circle. Look at the three stars directly in line with each other.

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aloharehearsal1kx9.jpg


Now here is Elvis at the Insert Session wearing the Aloha Suit. No stars are in line with each other at all.

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alohainsertsessiondr5.jpg


But I found somethng else while I am at it. I know that there is three suit made. But when I looked at some of the photos from the other dates of Elvis wearing the Aloha suit I see something different as well.

Ok, I pointed out that the suits stars are different on his right side. But when looking at this photo from the other dates.

http://www.tcb-world.com/elvispictures/Aloha%20New/Post%20Aloha%20Dates/post%2018.jpg

Noticed that the star on his right side above the eagle are not in line. Makes you think it is the Telecast suit. But look under the eagle and no extra star is under that. It also appears that the eagle is closer to the row of eagles that is on the waist of the suit just as it is on the rehearsal suit.


So it makes me think this.

That the two suits that is display at Graceland are from the two Aloha shows and that the third suit was put away. Because I looked through my photos of Graceland of the Aloha suit and saw the same thing that is picture in the last link I provided.


But I have to see what Leroy thinks about this. I sent him the info I found.

[Tony Trout]

Here is Elvis wearing the suit at the Rehearsal Show. Noticed the red circle. Look at the three stars directly in line with each other.

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aloharehearsal1kx9.jpg


Now here is Elvis at the Insert Session wearing the Aloha Suit. No stars are in line with each other at all.

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alohainsertsessiondr5.jpg


But I found somethng else while I am at it. I know that there is three suit made. But when I looked at some of the photos from the other dates of Elvis wearing the Aloha suit I see something different as well.

Ok, I pointed out that the suits stars are different on his right side. But when looking at this photo from the other dates.

http://www.tcb-world.com/elvispictures/Aloha%20New/Post%20Aloha%20Dates/post%2018.jpg

Noticed that the star on his right side above the eagle are not in line. Makes you think it is the Telecast suit. But look under the eagle and no extra star is under that. It also appears that the eagle is closer to the row of eagles that is on the waist of the suit just as it is on the rehearsal suit.


So it makes me think this.

That the two suits that is display at Graceland are from the two Aloha shows and that the third suit was put away. Because I looked through my photos of Graceland of the Aloha suit and saw the same thing that is picture in the last link I provided.


But I have to see what Leroy thinks about this. I sent him the info I found.


*cues "The Twilight Zone" music*

The mystery continues to deepen.....:hmm::hmm:

[thehillbillycat]

*cues "The Twilight Zone" music*

The mystery continues to deepen.....:hmm::hmm:


You got that right. I always agree with Leroy. But then I doing my own research and seeing the stars are different. Twilight Zone is right. I wonder where Leroy is when I need his thoughts............:blink:


The stars on the three photos of the Aloha suits are all different so it now leads to believe that now.


1. Originally the third suit was display.
2. Then in recent years that the rehearsal suit was display.
3. Then the actual Aloha suit is now display right by the rehearsal suit.
4. The third suit is the one actual suit put away.


What's next!!!!!

[Nobody]

Posted by Elvislennon2004:

I also spoke briefly (almost 4 hours) with Butch Polston from B & K Enterprises. A really entertaining man full of stories. Believe me guys, if he would ever decide to write a book he would blow me away. I thought I knew much.......

Then you better read the detailed long information as a statement Butch Polston made concerning the Aoha suits.

On Top of the page dated August 5th

http://www.epgold.com/news/index.html



Elvislennon2004, funny to see how Butch Polston's statement is getting completely ignored.

But Like Butch said:

If people want to believe what I've told them,then I say "fine". I'm merely going by facts that I've seen on paper and stories that I was told by the original designers. However, if people feel that Angie's information has more validity, that's also fine.




Note EpGold:

Butch wrote in this article:

This was during the mid-80's. At that time,Gene had a photographic memory for both design and details.

So, Angie Marchese remark on memories do fade is nonsense and indeed Butch did his detective work on this issue in the mid-80's and only came to this conclusion according to the documents written in Bill Belew's handwriting, Express Mail tags, Gene's remembrance, etc.

Angie Marchese from EPE is the same person who is responsible for the finalized publication of the booklet " Elvis Jumpsuits All Acess" that was made for the Sincerely Elvis costume display 2007.

Without even consulting Bill Belew, Gene Doucette and Butch Polston for a check-up on all information and details, this recent publication is according to Bill, Gene an Butch full of misstakes!!!

Like Angie said.... Memories do fade.....

[medleyofcostumes]

Has anyone seen photos of Elvis wearing this suit in 1974 with the pleats visible? I saw various pictures from 1974 with Elvis wearing blue scarves. Could it be that the version of the suit worn in 1974 had blue pleats (like the 'American Eagle')?? Just asking.

[Leroy]

The kick pleats were dark red lined. On all models.

[medleyofcostumes]

Thanks Leory