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elvis himselvis
02-18-2007, 01:29 PM
When Elvis died,his body was viewed to the public,but where in the house was his coffin standing?
I hope someone know the anwser

JDD
02-18-2007, 02:04 PM
If I remember right from Nancy Rooks book Inside Graceland , It was either in the Living room to the right of the front entry way, or the dining room to the left. They removed furniture to let the body lie in state.

presley
02-18-2007, 02:32 PM
You are right JDD, in the living room and music room

Tony Trout
02-18-2007, 05:27 PM
Here are some pictures I came across on FECC regarding where the coffin was prolly placed in the mansion....

The picture that is "colorized" was done by the person who posted the thread on FECC 'bout this particular subject...I think they did a pretty danged good job, myself!!

Below are the photos:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/elvisincoffincolo4kl.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures008.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures007.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures006.jpg

JDD
02-18-2007, 05:40 PM
I know some won't like it, but I thought that was pretty interesting Tony. That is where I thought it was based on the book .

Tony Trout
02-18-2007, 05:55 PM
I know some won't like it, but I thought that was pretty interesting Tony. That is where I thought it was based on the book .


Oh...and the main reason that Elvis looks so young is because the family wanted him to look that way....and I believe that the Memphis Funeral Home succeeded in doing the job. From the looks of things, they did really good work on Elvis.

I finally located a copy of the book, "The King Is Dead", by Robert R. Holton which details the events surrounding Elvis's funeral as told to Mr. Holton by Robert Kendall who was Elvis's funeral director. I found a copy on Amazon....I should be receiving it within a few weeks.

elvis himselvis
02-19-2007, 03:39 AM
Thank you for you replies
Especially from you Tony
thank you very much
What you said about he looks so young,is the one thing i was suprised of...
i always tought how could he look so young:blink:
How did they make him so young???

Tony Trout
02-19-2007, 04:32 AM
Thank you for you replies
Especially from you Tony
thank you very much
What you said about he looks so young,is the one thing i was suprised of...
i always tought how could he look so young:blink:
How did they make him so young???


I don't know how they did it but I was told by a friend of mine that spoke to one of the people who embalmed Elvis and who also saw the autopsy photos (which were pretty rough and there was a team of four people who embalmed Elvis) that the family (presumably Vernon) wanted Elvis to look like he did back in the 1950s....and considering what they had to work with I think they did a tremendous and respectful job of making Elvis look young again.

Dovey
02-19-2007, 04:47 AM
Thanks for posting the pix's Tony, they are interesting. Dovey ;)

dennyelvis
02-19-2007, 04:52 AM
Awkward subject to bring up , and still makes me feel strange when i see the pics .... but well handled.
I guess cos he looked too young, thats where the conspiracy theorys began ....

Tony Trout
02-19-2007, 05:09 AM
Awkward subject to bring up , and still makes me feel strange when i see the pics .... but well handled.
I guess cos he looked too young, thats where the conspiracy theorys began ....


The way he looked (being so young looking) and his hairline...the nose...the eyebrows...the soft hands....these things were exactly how and why the conspiracy theories began...I'm sure there are things about Elvis's death and the events surrounding it that we'll never know about...the sad fact is that (in a physical sense) Elvis is no longer with us here on Earth...but as long as we keep the memories of him and the music he left us alive in our hearts he'll truly never be gone from us...I like a quote that Colonel Parker apparently made after the death of Elvis:

"Elvis didn't die...just his body is gone"....

Think about it....

elvis himselvis
02-19-2007, 05:16 AM
i think he looks very peaceful
Does anybody ever have seen the autopsy photo's?

Albert
02-19-2007, 05:29 AM
I believe I read somewhere that Vernon received the copies and original films afterwards and that he destroyed them (fortunately!).

From that picture I can hardly see if Elvis looked good or bad. Dead people rarely look the same as they did a few days earlier, because the muscles in the face (and all other muscles) are strained. Also the body dehydrades (I'll look up the word and correct the spelling later), so dead people look less heavy.

srj1967
02-19-2007, 05:37 AM
I have stood over my mother's body in her coffin, and she looked about 20 years younger. It was unnatural, although the funeral people did a good job. Most funeral parlours ask if you want a more natural look or something a bit younger, but everyone looks unnatural in death.

Her body was also "sweating", which was just moisture settling on the body after being in the freezer for days. When people saw Elvis "sweating" in his coffin, it gave fuel to the stupid rumours about him either being alive or substituted with a wax dummy ...

This is just one of the many reasons why I have specified to be cremated ASAP after death, and I will have no funeral or viewing of my body.

I always found the tradition (primarily in Europe and the southern US) of having open caskets for viewing rather undignified and more than a little creepy.

Tony Trout
02-19-2007, 06:03 AM
i think he looks very peaceful
Does anybody ever have seen the autopsy photo's?



According to my friend (who did see the autopy photos) they are very gruesome and not at all pretty (of course how can autopsy photos not be gruesome?)....I pray that they never see the light of day....according to him they had to put all kinds of stuff on Elvis to make him look flesh-colored again because he had laid on his face for so long...

I will agree that Elvis looks very peaceful lying there...

I wonder if there is a real color photo of Elvis in his coffin anywhere? I heard a rumor that there is....but I've never seen one....

srj1967
02-19-2007, 06:21 AM
I pray that they never see the light of day...


Personally, I'd have no qualms about seeing the autopsy photos. JFK's, Marilyn Monroe's and other stars' autopsy photos are out there if you want to search for them. I'd find them quite fascinating, but that's just me.

The only problem would be if Lisa and the family saw them by accident.

ajr
02-19-2007, 10:00 AM
I don't think it looks like Elvis at all. My mother looked like she always did when she died {at 56} . It would be hard to believe Vernon wanted him to look different. Wait to read the book you ordered Tony. ;)

Here's a clipping from someone that could know about that picture .

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/stevens.jpg

Diane
02-19-2007, 10:31 AM
Thank you for the pics Tony, Elvis does look at peace.....Diane

elvis himselvis
02-19-2007, 11:42 AM
The people didn't get inside Graceland to look at Elvis right?

KPM
02-19-2007, 11:59 AM
I don't think it looks like Elvis at all. My mother looked like she always did when she died {at 56} . It would be hard to believe Vernon wanted him to look different. Wait to read the book you ordered Tony. ;)

Here's a clipping from someone that could know about that picture .

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/stevens.jpg

I never thought the picture on the Inquirer looked right. It does have a funny drawn quality to it. If this guy is telling the truth it explains that.
I heard that the reason many thought it was a dummy in the coffin was because the face looked "waxy"

ajr
02-19-2007, 12:22 PM
Yeah, I've tried to find this guy. We have talked to Pope.
I thought when I first saw it, it looked like a drawing. As I've looked around; it looks like the picture taken of him on his last vacation to Hawaii .

No one was allowed inside the house. The casket was at the door & all just got to walk past it.

Tony Trout
02-19-2007, 12:58 PM
The people didn't get inside Graceland to look at Elvis right?


No, they didn't enter the mansion itself...the route they took was as follows...(the following quote is taken from Dick Grob's book, "The Elvis Conspiracy?"):



"The casket was moved from its position in the entrance to the music room and placed in the foyer. It was lined up just inside the doorway to Graceland with the head of the casket pointing north. Preparations for the public viewing were now almost complete. This was to be the most trying of ordeals from a security standpoint. Sam and I had discussed the procedures over and over, trying to make sure we had covered all the bases.

Up until now, movements of Elvis's body had been unannounced and done with relative little publicity and completed in secret with plenty of escort for protection. Now, we were about to ask people to come close, to enter the confines of the estate and to approach close to the casket. Even under normal circumstances this would be a problem. Fans mobbed Elvis wherever he went but he loved every minute of it and he didn't want to ever lose that appeal or that respect. But things were not normal. Elvis was deceased and the fans were not there in the same fashion as before a concert. They were upset. They were hysterical in somce cases. They were not normal. Many had come from hudreds of miles away, some further. They were crying. They were sad. This was not to be a happy moment.

The showing of emotion under these circumstances was to be expected but we needed to be aware of the overly emotional person. That was to be expected also. We didn't want anyone throwing themselves onto the casket or disrupting the process for those who followed. Sam and I analyzed what needed to be done. We also felt that someone might want to take pictures which we did not wish to have happen. I was determined to not have his picture appear on the front page of some newspaper while he was laying in a coffin. That was my own personal failure out of this entire process. I rpotected Elvis from outsiders but thought that the "threat" would come from the inside from his own family. I quickly learned what a bunch of "turn coats" existed within the family.

Our first concern was to control the crowd. While they were all outside we had relative ease in controlling them. Once we opened the gates and invited them in, things could change. The crowd estimated by now to be approaching 100,000 was massive. Control could be very easily lost if it was allowed to slip for just one instance.

The "black and white" plan was set into motion. The front gate would be opened only wide enough to allow one person at a time to pass. The security detail on the gate would be "beefed" up, putting men on the pillars with speakers to announce the rules for entering. The men inside would channel those entering to the right side of the drive. Two barricades would be set outside the gate to channel those entering to come from the right side of the gate and allowing those leaving to exit to the left. This only worked partially especially after time began to run out for people to enter. Once inside they would be directed to pass up the drive along the right side by officers stationed along the way. Announcements would be made at the gate and just before making the turn toward the house that cameras would not be permitted and that they would be confiscated and the offenders ejected immediately. People were advised to leave their cameras outside, however they could leave them in the gate house but we were acceepting no responsibility. They were also advised that anyone getting off the drive onto the grass would be ejected. They were allowed to look at the flowers but to not touch.

As the line approached the house, another annoucement would be made showing that there would be no stopping on front of the casket. The line was allowed to walk up the front steps on the right side, walk past the front door and exit by the left side of the steps. A chain and stanchion type barrier was placed directly in front of the casket to prevent anyone from approaching closer than three feet. Once they had passed by the coffin they exited the estate by walking down the drive on the left side finally coming back to the front gate. There, entering people were stopped to allow those exiting to pass out the gates. The entire process we estimated would take a half hour from the time one entered until they left. We did not realize how close together the fans would stand in line as they made their way up to the house. At one point it took almost two hours to pass by the casket.

Vernon had originally said that he wanted to let the fans file by for two hours. This was the time we planned upon. Security was set on the casket itself. On either side of the door just outside the house were uniformed officers, one to each side. These officers were on the casket of the barrier set up. On the crowd side of the barrier stood two members of the Honor Guard, one to each side. Just inside the door were two other security people. Al Strada stood at the foot of the casket and Dean (Nichopolous) was at the head. Either man could move from his position tot he ouside area of the casket by taking one step. The United States flag and the Tennessee flag stood on stadards just outside the door. Four other members of the National Guard honor guard stood by the pillars at the top of the steps.

Thus I felt that no one could get to the casket. If anyone tried there were several "circles" of prevention and protection that would come into play. Al did not move from his position refusing any relief durring the entire time we allowed the public to pass. Al took this as a personal assignment and was not about to be denied for any reason. I believe that if we were still allowing fans to pass, he would still be standing there.

So the arrangements were set. Both Sam and I would be out front watching the crowd. All the officers were instructed to be watchful for anyone acting "crazy" or strange. Those individuals would be watched more closely as they approached the house. We reviewed the plans once more and could see no flaws that were apparent. We hoped and prayed it would work."

JDD
02-19-2007, 01:13 PM
According to my friend (who did see the autopy photos) they are very gruesome and not at all pretty (of course how can autopsy photos not be gruesome?)....I pray that they never see the light of day....according to him they had to put all kinds of stuff on Elvis to make him look flesh-colored again because he had laid on his face for so long...




Just reading the reports in that one book the Death of Elvis was awful enough.
The Poor guy was not well at all at the end.

elvis himselvis
02-19-2007, 01:15 PM
thanks Tony
So if i understand correct,he was in the doorway with the door closed and everybody just had to move along???(i'm 16 so i don't understand everything:blush: )
About you ajr,what you said about the photo could be a drawing,i don't think that's true,because i have never heard one of the MM or other friends saying that photo wasn't real...

Tony Trout
02-19-2007, 01:23 PM
thanks Tony
So if i understand correct,he was in the doorway with the door closed and everybody just had to move along???(i'm 16 so i don't understand everything:blush: )


The door was open...otherwise they wouldn't have been able to view Elvis...fans were told to walk by the casket quickly...and with such a large crowd and the time limit that was placed on the viewing I can see why....

JDD
02-19-2007, 01:39 PM
The door was open...otherwise they wouldn't have been able to view Elvis...fans were told to walk by the casket quickly...and with such a large crowd and the time limit that was placed on the viewing I can see why....

Right and there was a time limit on the viewing in hours because of the heat and all, but even so Vernon ended up extending it a bit longer then planned so as many people as possible could get by. Vernon was very worried about hysterical fans, but also because of the heat it was very humid that day, he was worried about people fainting and falling and getting hurt on the property as several already had outside the gates. Considering at this point his entire family had died before him, Vernon handled it all much better then I probably would have, whatever his short comings were you have to credit him for that.

ajr
02-19-2007, 01:43 PM
About you ajr,what you said about the photo could be a drawing,i don't think that's true,because i have never heard one of the MM or other friends saying that photo wasn't real...

That's ok, you can believe what you want. :) I was just putting out some info I found .And, it was a horrible picture in the Enquirer.

But, how many of the MM were at that funeral ? Any idea ?

Tony Trout
02-19-2007, 01:57 PM
And, it was a horrible picture in the Enquirer.


As has been said before on here (I think), the NE photo was badly retouched....that's why it looks the way it does......

elvis himselvis
02-20-2007, 06:17 AM
The door was open...otherwise they wouldn't have been able to view Elvis...fans were told to walk by the casket quickly...and with such a large crowd and the time limit that was placed on the viewing I can see why....

thanks for your reply

Tony Trout
02-20-2007, 12:49 PM
thanks for your reply

You're welcome. I'm really looking forward to receiving the Robert R. Holton book, "The King Is Dead" (https://www.amazon.com/King-Dead-Robert-R-Holton/dp/0964648458/ref=pd_ys_qtk_rvi/105-7155742-6128462), from Amazon in a few weeks cuz I think it'll be neat (albeit a bit morbid) to read of how the funeral director handled Elvis's death and funeral and burial....

ajr
02-20-2007, 01:25 PM
This book is not morbid. It's done in very good taste.
While it can debunk a few Elvis myths; it also can open some new questions.
Things weren't always as the MM told them.

marce_itec70
02-20-2007, 01:53 PM
25 years -old do not has 42 years old. The nose is different and the negative of the unfamous picture wre destroyed by anthrax a few years ago with other negatives of one editorial company.
The death was a blessing. "Elvis" showed too young. 23 to 25 years old. One up-turned nose. What a real surgery beauty!!!!
And one question. Why we do not have any picture of elvis presley betwen june 27 to august 12 of 1977 if elvis was a living merchandise for RCA.
The body in the coffin is a horrendous joke from parker and elvis family.
Excuse me is my opinion

elvis himselvis
02-20-2007, 03:38 PM
I have heard alot of times the story about this fake photo and AJR also said something about it,but i can't say this is a real photo or a fake one.
We have too ask it to people how saw him in his coffin.They know how he looked.
Does somebody here on Tcb world know a member or a story about someone who saw him and said the photo was fake or real?

TCBnAflash
02-20-2007, 04:00 PM
I've always thought since I was little that the photo didn't look right. I just thought it was ajustment of brightness/contrast and outlining some points due to the poor quality of the small cameras they had back then.

ajr
02-20-2007, 05:17 PM
All I know is what I've read about this. Maria Shriver didn't think it looked like Elvis. { she was at the funeral}

Alanna Nash went through the viewing line to see the body. She didn't think it looked like him. She went on & wrote Revelations of The Memphis Mafia.

His own cousin .Billy Smith said it didn't look like him. He was at the funeral.

I have no idea, as I wasn't there. ;)

JDD
02-20-2007, 05:27 PM
This book is not morbid. It's done in very good taste.
While it can debunk a few Elvis myths; it also can open some new questions.
Things weren't always as the MM told them.


Not to get off track but, you've read it then? Or just know someone who did?

I've had it on order for about three weeks now myself, seems like its taking forever to get here.

Tony Trout
02-20-2007, 05:30 PM
Sadly and unfortunately, that photo is real...Elvis is gone...that's him in the casket...I'll reiterate my statement that the casket photo that appeared on the Sept. 6, 1977 issue of the National Enquirer was very badly retouched because someone had spilled something on the picture (or so I've read) and they tried to retouch the chin and the eyes and his upper lip in the photo....take a look at the following example from the National Enquirer's 25th Anniversary Issue and you will hopefully see what I'm referring to:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures004.jpg

ajr
02-20-2007, 05:41 PM
I have read Holton's book. So have most of the people I know. It's an excellent book. Very professional and caring.

I don't think the coffin picture looks like Elvis . It has nothing to do with him being alive. It just doesn't look like the man, that's all.
I wondered about it for years . So did many of my friends. The article was found about the guy drawing it. I have no idea if it's true yet. But, I'm looking to find out. :)
I'm always willing to learn.

Dave TCB
02-20-2007, 08:29 PM
Well I dunno how they got to see autopsy photos, from everything Ive read, including The Death Of Elvis What Really Happened. It says no photos were ever took and "the reason you took photos was so you know who it was, but in this case we didnt take photos because there was no doubt"
So someone somewhere is as usual not telling the truth.

meg
02-21-2007, 12:59 AM
All I know is what I've read about this. Maria Shriver didn't think it looked like Elvis. { she was at the funeral}


Maria Shriver wasn´t on the funeral.The kennedy daughter was there (not on the funeral)
And that wasn´t Billy Smith.It was another cousin !

And you believe everybody who told it wasn´t elvis,you believe he´s alive!

And is the Horton-book the truth?Most of this people have a big imagination.The only thing they like is the $$$ from gullible Fans!

ajr
02-21-2007, 01:46 AM
MEG.......

Maria Shriver covered the funeral for the magazine she worked for, so I've been told. {maybe someone lied}

I don't "believe everybody" in Elvis World, no. Someone had asked for people that attended the funeral that complained that the body didn't look like Elvis. I just named a few. Including his Smith cousin that lived with him 24/7 since they were kids. Period .

ajr
02-21-2007, 01:49 AM
Well I dunno how they got to see autopsy photos, from everything Ive read, including The Death Of Elvis What Really Happened. It says no photos were ever took and "the reason you took photos was so you know who it was, but in this case we didnt take photos because there was no doubt"
So someone somewhere is as usual not telling the truth.

Autopsy photos were taken .It's common procedure . It was brought out in court when they were having hearings on Dr Nick. The last I knew his family has them.

waymore44
02-21-2007, 02:10 AM
I've seen an interview where country singer Tanya Tucker said it didn't look like Elvis in the coffin.

meg
02-21-2007, 02:27 AM
MEG.......

Maria Shriver covered the funeral for the magazine she worked for, so I've been told. {maybe someone lied}

I don't "believe everybody" in Elvis World, no. Someone had asked for people that attended the funeral that complained that the body didn't look like Elvis. I just named a few. Including his Smith cousin that lived with him 24/7 since they were kids. Period .


It was Caroline Kennedy writing for Rolling Stone:D
And Gene Smith not Billy!:D

ajr
02-21-2007, 02:30 AM
It was Caroline Kennedy writing for Rolling Stone:D
And Gene Smith not Billy!:D

Thanks, Meg. I stand corrected. ;)

And, I am talking about Billy, not Gene Smith

A good example to ask questions & not rely on faulty memory or what anyone tells you .

ajr
02-21-2007, 03:41 AM
And is the Horton-book the truth?Most of this people have a big imagination.The only thing they like is the $$$ from gullible Fans!

I don't know. Why don't you read it and give us your opinion.
Mr Holton is dead, so I doubt he has any use for $$$$.
This was taken from a journal he kept.

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 04:34 AM
Mr Holton is dead, so I doubt he has any use for $$$$.
This was taken from a journal he kept.


AJR,

Huge correction....Robert Holton is not dead. I spoke with him on the phone a few days ago about his book. You're thinking of the funeral director Robert Kendall. He passed away in 1994 and it is Mr. Kendall who kept a journal...not Mr. Holton.

And it was Caroline Kennedy that was there in Memphis and was emplyed by the New York Daily News at the time of the funeral and had written an article for them....although (according to Dick Grob's book, "The Elvis Conspiracy?") it was reported that they decided not to publish an article that she had written....I don't know the reasons behind their decision.....according to Dick Grob they possibly felt that it might be in bad taste to publish the article and her true motives for coming to Memphis are still unclear to this day.

Maria Shriver defintely was not there at any time during any of these events.....



Maria Shriver wasn?t on the funeral.The kennedy daughter was there (not on the funeral)
And that wasn?t Billy Smith.It was another cousin !


Correction again....Billy Smith was at the funeral because he was a pallbearer as was his cousin Gene Smith....that may be where everyone is getting confused. Gene Smith is the one who has said that the body didn't look like Elvis....not Billy Smith. Besides....Gene Smith wasn't around Elvis that much because Elvis had fired him several years earlier....Billy (in the last 18 to 24 months of Elvis's life) was with him nearly twenty-four hours a day.

meg
02-21-2007, 05:05 AM
A good example to ask questions & not rely on faulty memory or what anyone tells you

Billy didn´t say he looked not like him.That was Gene.Yes both where on the funeral!

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 05:37 AM
Yes your memory is faulty(n)
Perhaps you didn?t read the right books! :lol:


Meg,

To set the record straight, take a look at my post just above yours regaring the Smith cousins....

Take Care,
Tony Trout

P.S. I'm loving this discussion, y'all!!

meg
02-21-2007, 05:48 AM
Meg,

To set the record straight, take a look at my post just above yours regaring the Smith cousins....

Take Care,
Tony Trout

P.S. I'm loving this discussion, y'all!!

Yes you´r right Iwrote the same above!We didn´t talk about the funeral it was about who said elvis didn´t look like himself.And that wasn´t Billy!I know he and Gene where on the funeral!
That R Holton isn´t dead I didn´t know !
Thanks!

0349054
02-21-2007, 06:31 AM
Autopsy photos were taken .It's common procedure . It was brought out in court when they were having hearings on Dr Nick. The last I knew his family has them.


The photos were destroyed when Baptist was impoded they handed them over to EPE who destroyed them thankfully.

It should prevent any sick people from posting them all over the internet.

Elvis_Priestly
02-21-2007, 07:16 AM
Yes you?r right Iwrote the same above!We didn?t talk about the funeral it was about who said elvis didn?t look like himself.And that wasn?t Billy!I know he and Gene where on the funeral!
That R Holton isn?t dead I didn?t know !
Thanks!
:blink:
If it helps: I'm still alive and wasn't at the funeral :P

elvis himselvis
02-21-2007, 07:23 AM
Sadly and unfortunately, that photo is real...Elvis is gone...that's him in the casket...I'll reiterate my statement that the casket photo that appeared on the Sept. 6, 1977 issue of the National Enquirer was very badly retouched because someone had spilled something on the picture (or so I've read) and they tried to retouch the chin and the eyes and his upper lip in the photo....take a look at the following example from the National Enquirer's 25th Anniversary Issue and you will hopefully see what I'm referring to:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures004.jpg


So that picture above is the real photo and that one who is below of it is the so called fake one?

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 07:38 AM
So that picture above is the real photo and that one who is below of it is the so called fake one?


I'll say this once again....both pictures are the same picture and the photo is real (although I've heard that there were three or four different pictures taken in a very small time frame because the first ones didn't turn out well)....I dunno how you can "fake" a death photo...there was never a "fake" photo...the photo of Elvis in the casket was "retouched" after someone spilled something onto the picture and that's why it looks so bad and not like him at all....the chin and they eyes and the upper lip were retouched....

srj1967
02-21-2007, 07:42 AM
From the first time I saw this pic when it came out, I thought it did look like him; very reminiscent of his younger days.

Compare it with some of the close facial shots from Alfred Wertheimer from the fifties. Very similar.

That's what being in a coffin does for you ... it takes years off your looks.

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 08:25 AM
From the first time I saw this pic when it came out, I thought it did look like him; very reminiscent of his younger days.

Compare it with some of the close facial shots from Alfred Wertheimer from the fifties. Very similar.

That's what being in a coffin does for you ... it takes years off your looks.


The family requested for the funeral home to try to make Elvis look like he did in the 1950s (a weird request if you ask me) but they succeeded in fulfilling the request apparently and they did a pretty decent job.

ajr
02-21-2007, 09:33 AM
AJR,

Huge correction....Robert Holton is not dead. I spoke with him on the phone a few days ago about his book. You're thinking of the funeral director Robert Kendall. He passed away in 1994 and it is Mr. Kendall who kept a journal...not Mr. Holton.


A huge apology about Mr Holton. Of course, he's not dead. I've spoken with him many times myself. Actually, he's busy writing another book.{not Elvis} That's what I get waking up 2AM trying to read these things. :'(
I'm afraid I was mistaken & you might not like Kendalls book. When one has "fixed ideas" ; it seems they're not open to anything else said .

Billy Smith did say that did not look like Elvis.I have it on tape someplace. It's not to say Elvis didn't die however, though some seem determined to say I said that. Not what I said at all. If I meant that, I would have said it.
I still hate that horrible picture and I don't think it looked like him at all. I saw him in 1977. Just a few months before.

BTW: One might not want to pin their stories on Dick Grob. In a court of law; he was proven wrong about many things he wrote. So too, says the MM on who I do not believe at all.

I'm glad someone likes this thread; can't say I do . I'll leave it to you guys to fight over. It's not worth it to me. :)

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 10:03 AM
A huge apology about Mr Holton. Of course, he's not dead. I've spoken with him many times myself. Actually, he's busy writing another book.{not Elvis} That's what I get waking up 2AM trying to read these things. :'(
I'm afraid I was mistaken & you might not like Kendalls book.


Yep, he's still alive and kickin'...and Katco Media is trying to screw him around again regarding this newest book he's writing...I finally had to file a complaint against Ryan Katzenberg via PayPal cuz I never received the book from him...hence my reason for ordering from Amazon and I'm still looking forward to reading Holton's book...it'll be interesting to read how the Memphis Funeral Home handled the funeral of Memphis's beloved adopted son and the world's greatest entertainer.....Elvis Aaron Presley!



Billy Smith did say that did not look like Elvis.I have it on tape someplace. It's not to say Elvis didn't die however, though some seem determined to say I said that. Not what I said at all. If I meant that, I would have said it.
I still hate that horrible picture and I don't think it looked like him at all. I saw him in 1977. Just a few months before.

Everyone looks different in death and lying in a coffin than they did in life...Lamar Fike is even quoted as saying how bad Elvis looked...with it being a black and white photograph it's really hard to tell exactly how bad he actually did look if that's the case...but it is Elvis in that casket...he's gone....he's singing in Heaven with J.D. and Charlie and Jake Hess and Vestal Goodman and Rusty Goodman and Brock Speer and all of the legends that have gone on before him....


BTW: One might not want to pin their stories on Dick Grob. In a court of law; he was proven wrong about many things he wrote. So too, says the MM on who I do not believe at all.

I realize that Dick Grob is a good storyteller and that most of his stuff isn't to be believed but I still think that his recollection of the death of Elvis and the days following the death (including the planned bodysnatching attempt) is the closest that any of us will ever get to the real truth of what happened during those tragic days in August of 1977 when we lost Elvis.....



I'm glad someone likes this thread; can't say I do . I'll leave it to you guys to fight over. It's not worth it to me. :)

Granted, the thread is morbid but I like the discussion we're having about the casket photo. I'll be the first to admit that it still to this day breaks my heart to see Elvis lying in that casket so young...if he had taken better care of himself and not made such unwise and unhealthy choices he would prolly still be here...

Elvis_Priestly
02-21-2007, 10:06 AM
[A tired and stressed priest, coping by going through an intense period of greater Elvis fanaticism than usual (hey if it works!) apologises for being obsessive in advance]

The whole question of this coffin picture has always bothered me. It never looked quite right and reading this whole thread lead me to crack open photoshop and do some tinkering.
First thing I did was look for an almost complete profile picture of Elvis, I found one (perhaps 1973 I think?)
I made it black and white and flipped it on its side and "closed" the eye. First "shock" Elvis does look very different from that angle. For one his second chin is more noticable than it is in normal photos.
Then I made it transparent and overlaid it on the NE picture, it matches exactly in: nose, mouth, chin, hairline. All features (according to experts) used in photo analysis as with the Lincoln photos.
The one obvious discrepancy was the eyebrow, the "smoulder" is gone. I know there are stories of plastic surgery around his eyes. Even without that brow muscles do respond differently post mortem.
I'm not drawing any huge conclusions from this, but my own doubts about that photo are now diminished.

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 10:13 AM
[A tired and stressed priest, coping by going through an intense period of greater Elvis fanaticism than usual (hey if it works!) apologises for being obsessive in advance]

The whole question of this coffin picture has always bothered me. It never looked quite right and reading this whole thread lead me to crack open photoshop and do some tinkering.
First thing I did was look for an almost complete profile picture of Elvis, I found one (perhaps 1973 I think?)
I made it black and white and flipped it on its side and "closed" the eye. First "shock" Elvis does look very different from that angle. For one his second chin is more noticable than it is in normal photos.
Then I made it transparent and overlaid it on the NE picture, it matches exactly in: nose, mouth, chin, hairline. All features (according to experts) used in photo analysis as with the Lincoln photos.
The one obvious discrepancy was the eyebrow, the "smoulder" is gone. I know there are stories of plastic surgery around his eyes. Even without that brow muscles do respond differently post mortem.
I'm not drawing any huge conclusions from this, but my own doubts about that photo are now diminished.



WOW!! Great work!! (BTW, the photo you used to compare the casket picture is a still from "Elvis On Tour" in 1972 during the song "Bridge Over Troubled Water"....)


And yes, Elvis did have a tiny facelift done in 1975...it's been documented....


By the way....what are "the Lincoln photos"?? PM me if you would like...


Another way to tell that the photo has been tampered with is to take a look at the hinge on the casket lid....peek closely at the original photo and the retouched photo and tell me if you can't see a huge difference....

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 11:15 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen....I have just found another quirk or kink in this whole mystery:

I was looking at my "Cards Of His Life" collection from the River Group and if the casket was placed at the entrance to the music room to allow the fans to view the body they most surely would have had to come inside the house to view the body because as you walk in or past the front door of Graceland the first thing you see is the stairs and not the living room/music room.

Explain that one....:hmm: :hmm:

srj1967
02-21-2007, 11:24 AM
Perhaps not relevant.

Remember, this pic was taken by a relative; no one has ever said it was taken during the actual body viewing when fans were coming to Graceland.

My guess is it was taken at another time.

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 11:26 AM
Perhaps not relevant.

Remember, this pic was taken by a relative; no one has ever said it was taken during the actual body viewing when fans were coming to Graceland.

My guess is it was taken at another time.


It's not relevant but I was just trying to clear up what someone said earlier that fans weren't allowed inside the mansion to view the body. You're correct about the photo being taken at a different moment in time. The picture was not taken when fans were viewing the body. The photo was taken during the private family viewing on August 17th, 1977 by Billy Mann, Sr.

cprimm
02-21-2007, 11:41 AM
Not to get involved in something, I know nothing about, this is on Find A Death.com, along with a lot of info you don't really want to know.

"I live in Memphis and actually saw Elvis lying in state at Graceland.
A friend who had just gotten her driver's license asked if I wanted to go to Graceland and "check things out" and of course, I did. It was an extremely hot and humid August day, and there were tons of people just standing around the wall and street of Graceland.

No one really knew what was going on and when they were going to let people in to see Elvis. So, my friend and I pushed our way towards the gates of Graceland and were in the first group of 25 people to go in and see Elvis. We had to walk up the long driveway and we were not allowed to deter from the driveway in anyway, or we would be asked to leave. My friend and I walked into the foyer and saw Elvis dead.


There were at least 7 or 8 guys in suits with guns in holsters that were
very obvious to see, and we were warned before entering that we could not touch the casket or the body and we had to move in and
out very quickly. We walked in and out, and my friend asked if I wanted to go back in and see it again.


Well, of course I did. So, we broke in line and walked through one more time. Imagine what my mother thought when she asked what I did that day!

Also, another tid bit, Elvis had a hairdresser who was called to the
funeral home to fix Elvis' hair. Apparently, there was so much gray in his hair and so little time, he used mascara to make his hair
black and to cover the gray."

There is also some other info regarding the casket picture.

elvis himselvis
02-21-2007, 11:56 AM
Tony,those photos you have post you can see the original one and the retouched picture.
If you look to the original picture,you can clearly see it's Elvis.
The retouched photo doesn't look like Elvis

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 12:02 PM
Not to get involved in something, I know nothing about, this is on Find A Death.com, along with a lot of info you don't really want to know.

"I live in Memphis and actually saw Elvis lying in state at Graceland.
A friend who had just gotten her driver's license asked if I wanted to go to Graceland and "check things out" and of course, I did. It was an extremely hot and humid August day, and there were tons of people just standing around the wall and street of Graceland.

No one really knew what was going on and when they were going to let people in to see Elvis. So, my friend and I pushed our way towards the gates of Graceland and were in the first group of 25 people to go in and see Elvis. We had to walk up the long driveway and we were not allowed to deter from the driveway in anyway, or we would be asked to leave. My friend and I walked into the foyer and saw Elvis dead.


There were at least 7 or 8 guys in suits with guns in holsters that were
very obvious to see, and we were warned before entering that we could not touch the casket or the body and we had to move in and
out very quickly. We walked in and out, and my friend asked if I wanted to go back in and see it again.


Well, of course I did. So, we broke in line and walked through one more time. Imagine what my mother thought when she asked what I did that day!

Also, another tid bit, Elvis had a hairdresser who was called to the
funeral home to fix Elvis' hair. Apparently, there was so much gray in his hair and so little time, he used mascara to make his hair
black and to cover the gray."

There is also some other info regarding the casket picture.



Yep, Larry Gellar had to use black mascara to cover up the grey that had formed on Elvis's hair...and you are correct 'bout there being more info there than anybody really needs to know...and Scott Michaels (Find-A-Death's owner) didn't seem too thrilled 'bout doin' a story on Elvis....



Tony,those photos you have post you can see the original one and the retouched picture.
If you look to the original picture,you can clearly see it's Elvis.
The retouched photo doesn't look like Elvis.


It doesn't look like Elvis simply because of the horrible retouch job that the artist did...but it is Elvis....that's the sad fact...

ajr
02-21-2007, 01:02 PM
Sadly and unfortunately, that photo is real...Elvis is gone...that's him in the casket...I'll reiterate my statement that the casket photo that appeared on the Sept. 6, 1977 issue of the National Enquirer was very badly retouched because someone had spilled something on the picture (or so I've read) and they tried to retouch the chin and the eyes and his upper lip in the photo....take a look at the following example from the National Enquirer's 25th Anniversary Issue and you will hopefully see what I'm referring to:


But, don't you think it odd that NE decided to redo their picture of the casket photo {along with that story} as late as 2002?? Which is about the time that article was printed about the guy drawing it.
Which leads me to another question....how did they get another, better picture if the first one was ruined ?? Or did they get another artist to re-create that one in 2002?? You'd think the first one would have been the most important and therefore would have made certain it was the best . :hmm:

I'm not gonna get in this as none of us were there. It raises questions, nonetheless .

memphis 77
02-21-2007, 01:09 PM
it was roped off in front of the peacock glass windows in the center, i was there those 2 fateful days, you were roped off at the foyer.with guards at either side at the entry.

meg
02-21-2007, 01:11 PM
The man died in 2002:)

JonRomanovich
02-21-2007, 01:11 PM
Didn't NE have 4 or 5 pics. The first one was a pic of the floor, the second the ceiling or something, then 3 of the coffin?????????

JonRomanovich
02-21-2007, 01:14 PM
Talk to us first about Elvis Presley in his coffin and how you got those pictures.

CALDER: Well, Elvis Presley's coffin ended up being the largest selling issue we ever had, 6.7 million.

COLLINS: Wow.

CALDER: And when Elvis died, we knew it was one of the big, big stories of all time. So, the first thing I did was to send a whole team of reporters and editors to Memphis with $100,000 in their pockets. And we got some wonderful stories.

Now these stories included the exclusive interview with Ginger Alden who was in bed with him just before he died and actually found the body. We also got an exclusive story on the ambulance people who came to actually collect the body.

So, we got wonderful stories, but we didn't have the picture. We finally got the picture. We tried all different kinds of ways. And we couldn't do it because his body lay in-state and people went past the coffin, but he was protected by his friends...

COLLINS: Sure.

CALDER: ... you know, the Memphis Mafia, so no one could take a picture of him.

So, what we did was we watched Graceland, one of our photographers, until one of the relatives actually came out of the house. So, our photographer followed him to a local bar, followed him into the bathroom and went up to him and said, "If you take a really nice picture of Elvis, we'll give you a lot of money."

So, the guy says, "Sure."

So, the next day, we give him a foolproof camera. He then goes in to Graceland, and after the viewing time is over, all the guys go and have drinks and they have a party, et cetera.

In the middle of the night, he sneaks away from the party, goes and takes a picture of Elvis.

Now, we flew him back to Lantana and he said, "I've got four pictures." So, we're waiting breathlessly as these pictures are developed. The first picture is of the guy that took the picture. He had the camera around the wrong way.

COLLINS: Oh no.

CALDER: The next picture was of a chandelier about Elvis's head. So, we're going, my goodness.

The third picture, bingo. That was the great picture of Elvis's coffin. And I've got to say, it was a sellout. And people were actually calling me and offering me $50 for a copy of it.

Also, I was told that in the South a couple of robbers came in with guns in to a small store. Instead of stealing money, they stole all the copies of "The Enquirer."










OK..now wait.. Is there a chandelier in the living room?????????? When Elvis' body was in the foyer, there's a chandelier there, but then the pic of the peacock glass thing isn't right????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
maybe he took a pic of the chandelier as he was walking towards the body???

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 01:35 PM
it was roped off in front of the peacock glass windows in the center, i was there those 2 fateful days, you were roped off at the foyer.with guards at either side at the entry.


Were people allowed to enter the mansion to view the body? How could they view the body without going through the mansion? That's where I'm confused.....

ajr
02-21-2007, 01:37 PM
Gettin' pretty silly isn't it ?? ;) :rolleyes:

I'll get myself back to some serious stuff .
Peace out. ;)

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 02:05 PM
Gettin' pretty silly isn't it ?? ;) :rolleyes:

I'll get myself back to some serious stuff .
Peace out. ;)


Actually, I find the whole scenario and events surrounding Elvis's death fairly intriguing...it's not silly to me....

ajr
02-21-2007, 02:16 PM
Actually, I do too Tony. But some accuse me of believing Elvis is alive if I voice my interests here. So, to keep respect for Elvis , I'll just go where I can discuss all this in peace. :)

Good luck to you.....

Tony Trout
02-21-2007, 04:07 PM
Actually, I do too Tony. But some accuse me of believing Elvis is alive if I voice my interests here. So, to keep respect for Elvis , I'll just go where I can discuss all this in peace. :)

Good luck to you.....


Thanks.....:D :D

Merry
02-21-2007, 09:17 PM
Someone always looks good to me. :sun:

Jess

elvis0820
02-22-2007, 09:51 PM
Dont know if this is true or not, but I read an interview with Linda Thompson or somebody and they had said that the body was moved to the front foyer of the house (at the foot of the stairs) for the public viewing. Lisa Marie, Linda and some others were sitting on the stairs watching everyone pay there respects. I think this is what the article said.:blush:

Tony Trout
02-23-2007, 02:42 AM
Dont know if this is true or not, but I read an interview with Linda Thompson or somebody and they had said that the body was moved to the front foyer of the house (at the foot of the stairs) for the public viewing. Lisa Marie, Linda and some others were sitting on the stairs watching everyone pay there respects. I think this is what the article said.:blush:


That statement from Linda makes alot of sense to me because how would the fans have been able to otherwise view the body since they were only allowed to walk by the front door and not go inside the mansion?? :hmm: :hmm:

elvis himselvis
02-23-2007, 07:53 AM
I think we know now where his body stood
Thanks Christian;)

Tony Trout
02-23-2007, 12:38 PM
Another question:

How did Billy Mann, Sr. wind up taking at least three photos of Elvis in the casket in such a short time? He must've been pretty sneaky to not arouse suspicion (even with the small Minox camera that he used)......

elvis himselvis
02-23-2007, 01:05 PM
Good question Tony
I want to know that too

Tony Trout
02-23-2007, 01:23 PM
I bet you don't know how the National Enquirer were in Memphis on the 16th and taking photos and getting interviews and knew that Elvis was dead long before (possibly as much as an hour and a half) Elvis was found and before anybody inside the Presley organization or the Memphis press knew that Elvis was dead......




















Yep....they were tipped off by Ginger Alden....:angry: :angry:

elvis himselvis
02-23-2007, 01:45 PM
Tony could you tell me more about this story with ginger...
what are you trying to say

Tony Trout
02-23-2007, 01:54 PM
Tony could you tell me more about this story with ginger...
what are you trying to say


I'm basically saying that the reason the National Enquirer were in Memphis way before anybody else (even the staff at Graceland) knew that Elvis was dead was because they received a phone call from Ginger possibly an hour to an hour and a half before she finally called downstairs to summon help.....during this time she apparently "cleaned up and put her makeup on"....she apparently first called her Mother then she called a guy by the name of James Kirk (who worked as a "stringer" for the National Enquirer) and told him to keep watch at the mansion because "something big was coming down"....meaning that she must have already known that Elvis was dead before she called for help....and when she finally did come downstiars she sure as **** didn't look like someone who had just discovered Elvis lying deceased on the bathroom floor....she didn't even shed a tear....I'm sure she was in shock but still....that's an unusual way for someone to act when they've just discovered someone lying deceased on the bathroom floor....or anywhere else for that matter.....

Billy Smith (who I've always liked and who has always been a favorite of mine as a member of the Memphis Mafia) relates this story in "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia":




"The shifts were from twelve midnight to twelve noon. Well, at noon on August 16,, Ricky was downstairs passed out. He told People magazine in 1989 that the day Elvis died, he had enough Demerol in him to sedate all of Whitehaven. He said instead of going up to Elvis's room to check on him, he went back to his own room and shot up. So he was out of it. And David was supposed to come on at noon and relieve him. But as far as I can figure it, neither Ricky or David seen Elvis frmo the time I left him at seven-forty-five 'til the time they found the body.

I got me a couple hours' sleep and about eleven o' clock I got up and dressed and went over to Graceland about eleven-forty-five. And the only person I saw out there was Al Strada. He was packing everything up in those wardrobe casses, getting ready for the tour. I said, "Al, has anybody seen Elvis?" He said, "No." Elvis wasn't supposed to be woken up until about four o' clock in the afternoon.

Then I said, "What about Ricky? Is he still downstairs?" He said he didn't know for sure. I said, "Well, how about David? Has he come in yet to relieve him?" Al said, "No, David's not here yet." I said, "Well, let me know if David doesn't show up in a few minutes or if Ricky's not here. Somebody needs to be here." Then I asked if Ginger was up there with him. And she was.

I started up the stairs to check on Elvis, and then I thought, "No, if they ain't heard from him, God, let him rest. He needs it." So I just said to Al, "If
you hear anything from Elvis, let me know." And then I went back to my trailer. My sister-in-law was going to keep the kids while we were on tour, and I was putting in an air conditioner for her.

I don't blame Ricky or David. I blame myself. That's one of the hardest things for me to deal with: The fact that I started upstairs and didn't go. Dr. Nick thinks that Elvis died somewhere around eleven o' clock. I keep thinking that I might have been able to save him, even though Dr. Nick says I couldn't change what happened."


This whole process 'bout how the casket photo was taken was secretly planned and although I hate to say it....you gotta give the people who planned to do this (and unfortunately succeeded with their plan) kudos on pulling it off like they did.

From reading Grob's book, I also found out that Ricky Ayers (Ricky was a second cousin and former associate of Elvis who reportedly practiced karate with Elvis) was also in on the plot to take a photo of Elvis in the casket....up until a few years ago (after reading the book, "Elvis: His Life From A To Z") I never even knew that Elvis had a cousin named Ricky Ayers.

Elvis_Priestly
02-24-2007, 09:45 AM
Never thought of doing this till asked by TT. When you work with this photo it is trully weird, so much aside from the central bit is so ill defined. I'm beggining to suspect most of the coffin and surroundings were faked, rather than Elvis. For one thing I've had to replace the window in the background as it was totally out of proportion to the original and the "cross bars" on it were wonky. I guess not much point publishing a picture of Elvis in his coffin if you can't really see the coffin!
This is how it might have looked, sorry if it bothers anyone.

Tony Trout
02-24-2007, 09:58 AM
Never thought of doing this till asked by TT. When you work with this photo it is trully weird, so much aside from the central bit is so ill defined. I'm beggining to suspect most of the coffin and surroundings were faked, rather than Elvis. For one thing I've had to replace the window in the background as it was totally out of proportion to the original and the "cross bars" on it were wonky. I guess not much point publishing a picture of Elvis in his coffin if you can't really see the coffin!
This is how it might have looked, sorry if it bothers anyone.


Vewwy interesting.....the casket looks different in color than what I might have pictured....

elvis himselvis
02-24-2007, 10:18 AM
very intresting if she already had found his body but waited an hour an a half to call Joe or someone else...why would she have done this?:hmm:

0349054
02-24-2007, 11:21 AM
I'm basically saying that the reason the National Enquirer were in Memphis way before anybody else (even the staff at Graceland) knew that Elvis was dead was because they received a phone call from Ginger possibly an hour to an hour and a half before she finally called downstairs to summon help.....during this time she apparently "cleaned up and put her makeup on"....she apparently first called her Mother then she called a guy by the name of James Kirk (who worked as a "stringer" for the National Enquirer) and told him to keep watch at the mansion because "something big was coming down"....meaning that she must have already known that Elvis was dead before she called for help....and when she finally did come downstiars she sure as **** didn't look like someone who had just discovered Elvis lying deceased on the bathroom floor....she didn't even shed a tear....I'm sure she was in shock but still....that's an unusual way for someone to act when they've just discovered someone lying deceased on the bathroom floor....or anywhere else for that matter.....

Billy Smith (who I've always liked and who has always been a favorite of mine as a member of the Memphis Mafia) relates this story in "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia":






This whole process 'bout how the casket photo was taken was secretly planned and although I hate to say it....you gotta give the people who planned to do this (and unfortunately succeeded with their plan) kudos on pulling it off like they did.

From reading Grob's book, I also found out that Ricky Ayers (Ricky was a second cousin and former associate of Elvis who reportedly practiced karate with Elvis) was also in on the plot to take a photo of Elvis in the casket....up until a few years ago (after reading the book, "Elvis: His Life From A To Z") I never even knew that Elvis had a cousin named Ricky Ayers.





The story about Ginger calling the National Enquirer is an urban myth in the Elvis world.

A call was made - from OUTSIDE of Graceland, not from INSIDE. This has been researched thoroughly. It is highly unlikely Ginger made the call.

The guy in the Enquirer has gone on record saying that a MAN rang him, not a woman, although he refused to disclose the identity of the individual.

Ginger may or may not have called her mother, and she slept with her make up on, Elvis liked that. So the story of her apparently dolling herself up after or before finding the body is also a myth.

I don't think Ginger was the right girl for Elvis, and her familys actions after his death were not that respectful, however, I don't let that cloud the facts regarding calls being made to the enquirer.

elvis himselvis
02-24-2007, 02:56 PM
That makes alot of sense

pete dube
02-24-2007, 07:11 PM
People do we really need to get into this? The person who took the photo of Elvis in his coffin is a douchebag lowlife scum. We, as fans, don't need to post the photo, and discuss it. Please can't we at least let him have a modicum of his dignity?

Elvis, "I miss you, and I wish you were here."

riley
02-25-2007, 06:11 AM
Totally agree with this last post.

Elvis finally found peace, let him have this deserved peace and think of him like he was in his prime.

Enjoy the many beautiful things he left for us .

Riley

Merry
02-26-2007, 01:48 PM
Totally agree with this last post.

Elvis finally found peace, let him have this deserved peace and think of him like he was in his prime.

Enjoy the many beautiful things he left for us .

Riley


Hi Riley,

Beautifully said.

Jess

riley
02-27-2007, 02:15 AM
Thanks Jess;)

elvisfan4ever
02-27-2007, 12:43 PM
:hmm: ...well ..for those fans who hadint seen elvis in quite some time lets say since 72-73-and would of happened to view elvis body at graceland -course they would say it wasint elvis in the coffin-thats because they didint see what elvis looked like in 77 before he passed away-so its normal they would say it wasint elvis in the coffin--sadly it was elvis -wish he was still here with us--even if those autopsy pics do show up i would never look at them-what the heck for-l want to remember the fun loving joyfull happy elvis-those are the type of piccys i wanna see and remember:king: im new here happy to be here ;-)

Elvis_Priestly
02-27-2007, 01:53 PM
Whatever we might call the guy who took those pictures of Elvis in his coffin, in a sense I am glad they are out there. I'm not talking about autopsy pics or anything so sick, just him lying in peace in his coffin.
It may be cultural, or because he is so iconic but I really do appreciate how emotive such images might be. And the full range of emotions can be generated by such images. For me it may be that Irish tradition of "wake" for the dead - where people stay awake with the open coffin before the funeral and people are encouraged to view the deceased for a last farewell. On Chanel 4's recent 100 Sexiest People one of the talking heads commented on how women are still actually in love with Elvis 30 years after he died. He sounded suprised, but we all here appreciate how Elvis stirs strong emotions in us. For me there is still momentary grief - I never knew the man, I only started to follow him as a fan in my mid teens, 10 years after he died but still I mourn him and lament his passing ~ sometimes, yes, its grief.
I don't concentrate on the coffin picture but it is good to see him in peace, and, I would dare to say, look dignified and peaceful in body and not tormented or lost as he seemed in the last shots of him while alive.
It helps to grieve and then move on to the memories of him in his finest moments.
I don't say any of this to deny anyone the right to feel outraged or angry when they see these pictures. I said sorry in advance to anyone the picture I colorized above might have bothered and I do again, but for me it proved part of that grieving. If any of us could have fixed his hair from his eyes as he lay in his coffin, as people who loved him, would we not? Again your answer might be cultural or some other deep rooted belief. I would have and wept as I did it. And in a tough week it was a peaceful task to do what I never considered doing before until invited to do so by someone else.
I guess the problem is in real life people can refuse to see a loved one's remains, when its online like this its not that easy.

Rest in Peace Elvis. I know you do.

Tony Trout
02-27-2007, 02:03 PM
Whatever we might call the guy who took those pictures of Elvis in his coffin, in a sense I am glad they are out there. I'm not talking about autopsy pics or anything so sick, just him lying in peace in his coffin.
It may be cultural, or because he is so iconic but I really do appreciate how emotive such images might be. And the full range of emotions can be generated by such images. For me it may be that Irish tradition of "wake" for the dead - where people stay awake with the open coffin before the funeral and people are encouraged to view the deceased for a last farewell. On Chanel 4's recent 100 Sexiest People one of the talking heads commented on how women are still actually in love with Elvis 30 years after he died. He sounded suprised, but we all here appreciate how Elvis stirs strong emotions in us. For me there is still momentary grief - I never knew the man, I only started to follow him as a fan in my mid teens, 10 years after he died but still I mourn him and lament his passing ~ sometimes, yes, its grief.
I don't concentrate on the coffin picture but it is good to see him in peace, and, I would dare to say, look dignified and peaceful in body and not tormented or lost as he seemed in the last shots of him while alive.
It helps to grieve and then move on to the memories of him in his finest moments.
I don't say any of this to deny anyone the right to feel outraged or angry when they see these pictures. I said sorry in advance to anyone the picture I colorized above might have bothered and I do again, but for me it proved part of that grieving. If any of us could have fixed his hair from his eyes as he lay in his coffin, as people who loved him, would we not? Again your answer might be cultural or some other deep rooted belief. I would have and wept as I did it. And in a tough week it was a peaceful task to do what I never considered doing before until invited to do so by someone else.
I guess the problem is in real life people can refuse to see a loved one's remains, when its online like this its not that easy.

Rest in Peace Elvis. I know you do.




Wow....very well put......:clap: :clap: (y) (y)

desiree
02-27-2007, 03:15 PM
I don?t why do I read these things, but I do. It?s getting confusing and frustrating and when I?m all that I get pissed off.
I should stop reading stuff like this.
But when I first saw those coffin pictures I thought to myself; Wow, he looks very young. Then I gave another look and shaked my head thinking...
I give up! There?s nothing more to see, at least not for me.
So pointless...

Merry
02-27-2007, 04:01 PM
: im new here happy to be here ;-)


Welcome (y)

Jess

elvisfan4ever
02-27-2007, 04:25 PM
Welcome (y)

Jessthnk u jess (y) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/elvisisking/ELVISBYJOEEE.jpg

riley
02-28-2007, 03:57 AM
Thanks Elvispriestly(y)

elvis himselvis
03-02-2007, 12:12 PM
I was the one who started this thread and i'm sorry if people don't like it to see Elvis in his Coffin.
I have to say that i'm happy that i have these pics,but i think it's very bad that the family,opens a newspaper,and see a death family member.
There is one more thing i want to say.
I think the retouched photo,is a very bad job.When i saw that picture i thougth,that couldn't be him.But when i saw the original photo that Tony posted,you can clearly see it is Elvis.
And the original photo shows our Elvis in peace and i hope he is in peace now and he have find his rest

emsteph
03-03-2007, 02:32 PM
I don't think Ginger was the right girl for Elvis, and her familys actions after his death were not that respectful

I'm curious. What "actions" were done by Ginger's family following his death??

Tony Trout
03-03-2007, 02:49 PM
I'm curious. What "actions" were done by Ginger's family following his death??


What actions? For one, I believe they sued Elvis's estate claiming that Elvis had promised them things and didn't follow through with them...I believe that an interview with the National Enquirer also appeared on the newsstands not long after Elvis's death and the Alden's were paid a bunch of money from the NE for the interview....

ajr
03-04-2007, 12:37 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pami22feb22,0,613176.story?coll=sfla-news-front

eap3581
07-18-2007, 03:15 AM
Hi,
anyone know if their is only one coffin photo of Elvis?:hmm:
Because i found a photo and this is different then the original one.

Thanks

stefankoch
07-18-2007, 06:13 AM
There was only taking one photo of Elvis in his coffin but i would like to see the photo you are talking about :hmm:

eap3581
07-18-2007, 07:29 AM
So if you look to the photos take a exact look to the window and to the coffin bound.
They are different you see on one photo the full window, and on the other photo you can see where the window ends.
And the bound is on one photo free and on the other you can?t the a space.

But look yourself.

http://mr.hyde2007.googlepages.com/120casket20photo203.jpg

stefankoch
07-18-2007, 08:16 AM
The one to the right is the fake one and the one to the left is the original.

eap3581
07-18-2007, 08:19 AM
How can this be?
The right one ist the one which was in the National Enquirer.

Tony Trout
07-18-2007, 12:33 PM
Um....both photos that have been posted appear to be the same one that appeared on the front of the National Enquirer....

Here is the original photo again...no touch ups whatsoever...the hinge of the casket is much different than what appears in the "touched up" photos.....I will (once again) include the photo of the "touched up" photo for you to examine....

The first photo is the real photo taken by Billy Mann, Sr. on the evening of August 17, 1977 during the private family visitations and the second photo is from the National Enquirer's 25th anniversary issue which shows how badly the photo was touched up and the third and final photo is apparently an artist's drawing which was never used....

There is only one (1) real photo of Elvis in his coffin...and that is the photo that I have posted.

jeanmary
07-18-2007, 12:37 PM
When I went to view my daughter after her death, I was shocked that she looked nothing like the beautiful girl we remembered....her hair was always all over the place....now it was combed and tidy....having heart disease she was always blueish in hue - now she was pink.....amazing what they can do - but not always good.

Diane
07-18-2007, 01:06 PM
Jeanmary I'm so sorry you had to go through that - losing a child is the worse thing.

I felt the same as you when I lost my parents - too groomed.

All in all I don't think that picture of Elvis is that bad. I just don't feel it should have been printed in all the newspaper.

Diane

Tony Trout
07-18-2007, 07:50 PM
All in all I don't think that picture of Elvis is that bad. I just don't feel it should have been printed in all the newspaper.

Diane



Diane,

I agree...besides, those "rag mags" like the NE and others have posted these kinds of photos for years (I seem to recall them posting a photo of a deceased John Lennon on their cover back when he was assassinated in 1980) and I don't think that it has caused as much controversy or discussion or debate as the photo of Elvis in his casket has almost thirty years later.....

Take Care,
Tony T.

Diane
07-19-2007, 09:01 AM
Thanks you Tony, I appreciate you're posting the two photos again so we know which was the original.

Do you have any idea why it was touched up? I can't see why they felt there was a need for it myself. The original is much better.

No surprise that Lennon didn't get the bad publicity when his photo was publicized as Elvis always gets the brunt of everything it seems.

Diane

Sonny
07-19-2007, 09:20 AM
I always wondered why just one picture was taken at the time, not that I would like to see more, cause this one if more than enough! But still....

jak
07-19-2007, 10:01 AM
I always wondered why just one picture was taken at the time, not that I would like to see more, cause this one if more than enough! But still....

Only one was taken because photo's were not allowed.The photo was sneaked and sold for profit.I think some others were snapped but the camera wasnt pointed correctly and didnt capture Elvis.
Jak

Tony Trout
07-19-2007, 11:43 AM
Thanks you Tony, I appreciate you're posting the two photos again so we know which was the original.

Do you have any idea why it was touched up? I can't see why they felt there was a need for it myself. The original is much better.



I think the reason the photo was touched up was because something was spilled on the negative....



Only one was taken because photo's were not allowed.The photo was sneaked and sold for profit.I think some others were snapped but the camera wasnt pointed correctly and didnt capture Elvis.
Jak


There was approxinately three photos taken. One photo is of Mr. Mann's thumb....and I think another photo is of Elvis in the casket but it turned out too blurry...then we have the final actual photo of Elvis that appeared in the National Enquirer......

Diane
07-19-2007, 12:24 PM
Thanks Tony!.................Diane

ksimms2
07-19-2007, 12:36 PM
Tony, I am new to this group and am reading these threads on Elvis in his coffin but the photo's you posted a long time ago are not showing up now..do you still have them? I'm very interested in what you all are saying here.....you may not even read this.....

Hristaki
07-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Does anyone have the color photo to post on here?

Tony Trout
07-19-2007, 01:29 PM
Does anyone have the color photo to post on here?


The color photo (if there is one) has never turned up anywhere...but here is a photo that board member "Elvis_Priestly" colored:

Tony Trout
07-19-2007, 01:31 PM
Tony, I am new to this group and am reading these threads on Elvis in his coffin but the photo's you posted a long time ago are not showing up now..do you still have them? I'm very interested in what you all are saying here.....you may not even read this.....


Yes, I do still have the photos. I will email them to you....

Hristaki
07-19-2007, 01:54 PM
The color photo (if there is one) has never turned up anywhere...but here is a photo that board member "Elvis_Priestly" colored:

Thanks, Tony!! :D:D

Merry
07-20-2007, 02:15 AM
Jeanmary,

I'm so sorry.

Hugs,
Jess

GirlHappy19
07-21-2007, 08:37 PM
[QUOTE=Tony Trout;98445]Here are some pictures I came across on FECC regarding where the coffin was prolly placed in the mansion....

The picture that is "colorized" was done by the person who posted the thread on FECC 'bout this particular subject...I think they did a pretty danged good job, myself!!

Below are the photos:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/elvisincoffincolo4kl.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures008.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures007.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures006.jpg[/QUOTE

The pictures never did display on my pc.Don't know why.Wish I could see them

LORRIELOVESELVIS
07-25-2007, 03:09 PM
Thank you Tony for all the info .Im a newbie an the info was great-I was 20 yrs old when elvis died. my mother bought that mag.I learn something new today(y)

Tony Trout
07-25-2007, 03:24 PM
[quote=Tony Trout;98445]Here are some pictures I came across on FECC regarding where the coffin was prolly placed in the mansion....

The picture that is "colorized" was done by the person who posted the thread on FECC 'bout this particular subject...I think they did a pretty danged good job, myself!!

Below are the photos:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/elvisincoffincolo4kl.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures008.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures007.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/tonytrout/ElvisCasketPictures006.jpg[/QUOTE

The pictures never did display on my pc.Don't know why.Wish I could see them


Check your PM's, please.....




Thank you Tony for all the info .Im a newbie an the info was great-I was 20 yrs old when elvis died. my mother bought that mag.I learn something new today(y)

I'm glad I could be of service....

utmom2008
02-02-2008, 12:47 PM
I finally located a copy of the book, "The King Is Dead", by Robert R. Holton which details the events surrounding Elvis's funeral as told to Mr. Holton by Robert Kendall who was Elvis's funeral director. I found a copy on Amazon....I should be receiving it within a few weeks.

Is this one worth hunting down Tony???:hmm:

utmom2008
02-02-2008, 12:58 PM
I have heard alot of times the story about this fake photo and AJR also said something about it,but i can't say this is a real photo or a fake one.
We have too ask it to people how saw him in his coffin.They know how he looked.
Does somebody here on Tcb world know a member or a story about someone who saw him and said the photo was fake or real?
TotallyInsane filed by the casket......twice.

TCBnAflash
02-02-2008, 01:01 PM
I got attacked on here for trying to tell people about this. I couldn't find the source.

TCBnAflash
02-02-2008, 01:04 PM
The color photo (if there is one) has never turned up anywhere...but here is a photo that board member "Elvis_Priestly" colored:

Even it is Fake, It's so sad to see. I'm in tears right now.

Gary1
02-02-2008, 01:05 PM
i think he looks very peaceful
Does anybody ever have seen the autopsy photo's?From what i've read no photos were taken.

TotallyInsane
02-02-2008, 01:12 PM
During the viewing for the fans, the coffin was placed in the entry way in front of the stairs, head facing dining room, feet facing living room. There were ropes placed in front of it and guards all around. You walked in the door, 2 or 3 feet made a u-turn and walked back out. Fans were not allowed to go stomping through the living room, music room or dining room. It was QUICK.
After the viewing by the fans, the body was moved into either into the music room or dining room for the service.
And, no it did not look like him. It looked like a 60's Elvis.
I think when I die I'm gonna leave instructions that I want to look just like I did when I was 14 - the first time I kissed Elvis - so maybe he'll recoginize me when I get there!!! :hmm::hmm:

TCBnAflash
02-02-2008, 01:17 PM
During the viewing for the fans, the coffin was placed in the entry way in front of the stairs, head facing dining room, feet facing living room. There were ropes placed in front of it and guards all around. You walked in the door, 2 or 3 feet made a u-turn and walked back out. Fans were not allowed to go stomping through the living room, music room or dining room. It was QUICK.
After the viewing by the fans, the body was moved into either into the music room or dining room for the service.
And, no it did not look like him. It looked like a 60's Elvis.
I think when I die I'm gonna leave instructions that I want to look just like I did when I was 14 - the first time I kissed Elvis - so maybe he'll recoginize me when I get there!!! :hmm::hmm:

Did you see what he was wearing, I've read it was 3 piece suit? I always thought they should've put him in of his favorite Jumpsuits or outfits he wore.

TotallyInsane
02-02-2008, 01:25 PM
He had on a suit and tie. My mom asked me if I saw Linda Thompson sitting on the stairs. I cannot give you one item in that house I saw but his face....as many times as I stood out there on that street on the weekends wondering what the inside of that house looked like....my eyes were locked on that casket from the moment I hit the door. Could not have told you the minute I walked out that door anything about that house.

cameron
02-02-2008, 02:10 PM
He had on a suit and tie. My mom asked me if I saw Linda Thompson sitting on the stairs. I cannot give you one item in that house I saw but his face....as many times as I stood out there on that street on the weekends wondering what the inside of that house looked like....my eyes were locked on that casket from the moment I hit the door. Could not have told you the minute I walked out that door anything about that house.

Thank you. I've never known anyone that was really there ....except some of the guys. Appreciate your input.

ksimms2
02-02-2008, 02:41 PM
He had on a suit and tie. My mom asked me if I saw Linda Thompson sitting on the stairs. I cannot give you one item in that house I saw but his face....as many times as I stood out there on that street on the weekends wondering what the inside of that house looked like....my eyes were locked on that casket from the moment I hit the door. Could not have told you the minute I walked out that door anything about that house.

Thank you for sharing this.....oh my goodness how sad you must have been....you said it didn't look like him? I wonder what they did to make him look so much younger? I don't mean to be graphic - but even draining all the fluid out - can't make him look so much younger can it? God Bless him. :'(

Diane
02-02-2008, 03:12 PM
Yes Kelly, with all the fluids drained out Elvis would have looked much younger. Had he not had all the health problems he had he probably wouldn't have changed all that much from the 60's/early 70's.

Diane

utmom2008
02-02-2008, 03:31 PM
Yes Kelly, with all the fluids drained out Elvis would have looked much younger. Had he not had all the health problems he had he probably wouldn't have changed all that much from the 60's/early 70's.

Diane
I agree Diane...it was the bloat that aged him so much, IMO.

utmom2008
02-02-2008, 03:36 PM
I think when I die I'm gonna leave instructions that I want to look just like I did when I was 14 - the first time I kissed Elvis - so maybe he'll recoginize me when I get there!!! :hmm::hmm:

Take that pic that you have of me with you...remember, we always said we would share.:D:D

TotallyInsane
02-02-2008, 03:48 PM
Take that pic that you have of me with you...remember, we always said we would share.:D:D


:lmfao::lmfao:

ksimms2
02-02-2008, 04:57 PM
Take that pic that you have of me with you...remember, we always said we would share.:D:D

Hey! how come she has a picture of you and I don't yet???? huh?? huh??? ;)

utmom2008
02-02-2008, 05:03 PM
Hey! how come she has a picture of you and I don't yet???? huh?? huh??? ;)
:lol::lol: The pic that she has was made when we were 14!!! I could put that on here and let everyone think I look really young!! :lol::lol: I promise to get you one this week!!!!!

Tony Trout
02-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Is this one worth hunting down Tony???:hmm:

Yes, it is...but the book has a few errors in it...but it is a well-done and tastefully-written book about Elvis's passing and funeral.



From what i've read no photos were taken.

Photos were taken but they have (thank God!) either disappeared or have been destroyed.




Did you see what he was wearing, I've read it was 3 piece suit? I always thought they should've put him in of his favorite Jumpsuits or outfits he wore.

Elvis wore a light blue shirt, a white two-piece suit and a white tie. I do also find it strange (as did the funeral director, the late Robert Kendall) that Elvis wasn't laid to rest in one of his jumpsuits....but to do this, they would have had to cut the suit completely in the back....

utmom2008
02-02-2008, 11:44 PM
Elvis wore a light blue shirt, a white two-piece suit and a white tie. I do also find it strange (as did the funeral director, the late Robert Kendall) that Elvis wasn't laid to rest in one of his jumpsuits....

I guess I'm in the minority, but I didn't find it odd that he was buried in a suit.:hmm: The jumpsuits represented the entertainer, but after all was said and done Elvis was just a man. To me...it showed the very human side of Elvis.:'(

alstrada
02-03-2008, 01:34 AM
http://webbuilder.hostbasket.com/siteimages/30156/coffin1.jpghttp://webbuilder.hostbasket.com/siteimages/30156/coffin2.jpg

TotallyInsane
02-03-2008, 07:07 AM
For the funeral, not for the viewing.

TotallyInsane
02-03-2008, 07:08 AM
I guess I'm in the minority, but I didn't find it odd that he was buried in a suit.:hmm: The jumpsuits represented the entertainer, but after all was said and done Elvis was just a man. To me...it showed the very human side of Elvis.:'(

I'm with you on this one!

cameron
02-03-2008, 07:30 AM
I guess I'm in the minority, but I didn't find it odd that he was buried in a suit.:hmm: The jumpsuits represented the entertainer, but after all was said and done Elvis was just a man. To me...it showed the very human side of Elvis.:'(

I don't think he should have been put in a jumpsuit either .
They were just costumes; not something he wore every day.

Diane
02-03-2008, 07:41 AM
From what I've read Elvis was wearing a light blue shirt and either white or cream suit similar to the one he wore in The Trouble With Girls. He looked wonderful in that suit and I agree with Rosanne, that was very fitting to bury him in.

Had he been buried in a jumpsuit the media once again would have had a field day with that! (n)

Diane

utmom2008
02-03-2008, 02:49 PM
From what I've read Elvis was wearing a light blue shirt and either white or cream suit similar to the one he wore in The Trouble With Girls. He looked wonderful in that suit and I agree with Rosanne, that was very fitting to bury him in.

Had he been buried in a jumpsuit the media once again would have had a field day with that! (n)

Diane

You are so right Diane.....gives me the creeps to think of the mockery he would have been subjected to.(n):mad:

Suzan
02-03-2008, 06:05 PM
http://webbuilder.hostbasket.com/siteimages/30156/coffin1.jpghttp://webbuilder.hostbasket.com/siteimages/30156/coffin2.jpg

Thanks Al.
In her interview w/Larry King Pris pointed more towards the sofa area and said that that was where he was placed?????

Wendy56
02-03-2008, 07:12 PM
I guess I'm in the minority, but I didn't find it odd that he was buried in a suit.:hmm: The jumpsuits represented the entertainer, but after all was said and done Elvis was just a man. To me...it showed the very human side of Elvis.:'(

Absolutely... So sad the suit was tired up at the back side (as Tonny said :hmm: ).

Wendy56
02-03-2008, 07:17 PM
I heard a rumor that the body buried was only a wax figure... I never thought of the Elvis' funeral before... Is such an intriguin' topic to me, as well as hard to deal with. I'm not into that. I like to think of Elvis as the beautiful man he was: inside and outside. He may rest in peace as he deserves.

cameron
02-03-2008, 07:27 PM
Videos Priscilla with Larry King CNN ...August 2007

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/music/priscilla_cnn_larry_king.html

Tony Trout
02-03-2008, 08:58 PM
Thanks Al.
In her interview w/Larry King Pris pointed more towards the sofa area and said that that was where he was placed?????


For the public viewing he was placed in the doorway of the mansion with his head facing the dining room and his feet facing the living room (as has already been mentioned). For the funeral, he was placed in front of the stained glass peacocks




Absolutely... So sad the suit was tired up at the back side (as Tony said :hmm: ).


The reason the suit was torn in the back is because that's how funeral home employees dress the deceased.



I heard a rumor that the body buried was only a wax figure...

No, absolutely not! It was/is Elvis in the casket.

Wendy56
02-03-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't believe that rumor Tony, just wanted to mention it to the TCB members. It was very known here in my country, but I never believed it. :P Everything started because of the "nose"... because people used to say that the nose was anything like Elvis's...
For the theories, I know Elvis fell down in his bathroom and hurt his face. :'(
And how is it? The employees did that?... Torn the suit? It drives me really mad. Couldn't they be more careful?
I'm still intrigued about the funeral pictures. People was not allowed to take pics, right? And the NE one is the only known, but maybe there are some more somewhere. :hmm:

Suzan
02-03-2008, 09:22 PM
Heyas Tony...:)

I know...that's why I found what Pris said odd...she sort of motions w/her hand toward the sofa area of the living room and states that he was placed there for viewing, etc..

Tony Trout
02-03-2008, 09:24 PM
The employees did that?... Torn the suit? It drives me really mad. Couldn't they be more careful?

Wendy, here in the U.S. it is common procedure for funeral homes to tear out the back of a suit to be able to dress a deceased person--Elvis was no exception.



I'm still intrigued about the funeral pictures. People was not allowed to take pics, right? And the NE one is the only known, but maybe there are some more somewhere. :hmm:


No photos at all were allowed but in a cleverly devised plan, Billy Mann, Sr. snuck a small Minox camera into the mansion and took only three photos on the night of August 17, 1977 during the private family visitation. Two photos were badly out of focus and then he took the actual photo of Elvis in his casket. He was paid varying amounts of money by the NE to take the photo.





(I apologize if I possibly came off sounding a bit rude in my first reply...I didn't mean to sound rude...I'm sorry)

Tony Trout
02-03-2008, 09:39 PM
Heyas Tony...:)

I know...that's why I found what Pris said odd...she sort of motions w/her hand toward the sofa area of the living room and states that he was placed there for viewing, etc..


She got it wrong.

Speaking of the viewing, I wonder how many people in total got to see Elvis laying in state? I've read varying accounts of 20,000 and amounts as high as 50,000-75,000 people wound up viewing Elvis lying in state at Graceland. My instincts tell me that 50,000-75,000 total seems a bit high considering that the viewing was only for two and a half hours.

Suzan
02-03-2008, 09:48 PM
She got it wrong.

Speaking of the viewing, I wonder how many people in total got to see Elvis laying in state? I've read varying accounts of 20,000 and amounts as high as 50,000-75,000 people wound up viewing Elvis lying in state at Graceland. My instincts tell me that 50,000-75,000 total seems a bit high considering that the viewing was only for two and a half hours.

Yeah she did and I would think that would be something that would stick in her mind. :(

I'm with you, I think the latter two are a bit high, I think it was more near the 20,000 range...I wonder what the real count is though :hmm:.

Tony Trout
02-04-2008, 07:04 AM
Yeah she did and I would think that would be something that would stick in her mind. :(

I'm with you, I think the latter two are a bit high, I think it was more near the 20,000 range...I wonder what the real count is though :hmm:.


I'm not sure. I wonder if EPE would know? :hmm:

utmom2008
02-04-2008, 10:37 AM
My instincts tell me that 50,000-75,000 total seems a bit high considering that the viewing was only for two and a half hours.

The original viewing was 2 to 4, but then didn't Vernon extend it another hour and a half?:notworthy

Tony Trout
02-04-2008, 11:23 AM
The original viewing was 2 to 4, but then didn't Vernon extend it another hour and a half?:notworthy


Yes, he did. It, reportedly, took them forty-five minutes to finally close the gates (this info comes from Dick Grob's book, 'The Elvis Conspiracy?').

Funeral director, the late Bob (Robert) Kendall, was upset because no one had informed him of the decision to extend the viewing hours and he began to worry 'bout how the heat and humidity would affect Elvis's body.

cameron
02-04-2008, 04:57 PM
Somewhere on this site it says how many were at the viewing.
http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/pictures/1977_photos_elvis_presley.html

Not sure how they'd know though. ??

Tony Trout
02-04-2008, 05:04 PM
Somewhere on this site it says how many were at the viewing.
http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/pictures/1977_photos_elvis_presley.html

Not sure how they'd know though. ??


I looked for a count of how many people were there but didn't find anything....

cameron
02-04-2008, 05:24 PM
I looked for a count of how many people were there but didn't find anything....


http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_events_1977.shtml
Scroll down to August 18th. That site has a lot of stuff on it.It wouldn't let me copy it.

TotallyInsane
02-04-2008, 05:30 PM
That's a great site Cameron - thanks!!!!

utmom2008
02-04-2008, 06:30 PM
That's a great site Cameron - thanks!!!!
Yes...it is a great site! Gail and I were amazed at the price of gas in one of the color photos. :lol:

Tony Trout
02-04-2008, 06:40 PM
http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_events_1977.shtml
Scroll down to August 18th. That site has a lot of stuff on it.It wouldn't let me copy it.


50,000-100,000 possibly viewed Elvis lying in state? That doesn't surprise me (due to the impact his death had on us) but I still say that the total seems a tad high....

TotallyInsane
02-04-2008, 07:00 PM
I would have to disagree with that number. There were many, many people there that day that did not get in....that many on the street, yes but not that many that viewed the body.

cameron
02-04-2008, 07:10 PM
50,000-100,000 possibly viewed Elvis lying in state? That doesn't surprise me (due to the impact his death had on us) but I still say that the total seems a tad high....


It estimated 15,000 -20,000 at the end of that article. The larger number were how many were there.


I thought the firemans account was interesting. They weren't allowed to give details. I read that in one of the books that's out too. Maybe Thompson and Coles :doh: I thought that was weird.
http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/call_to_graceland_anything_but_routine.shtml

TotallyInsane
02-04-2008, 07:29 PM
Even the 15,000-20,00 surprises me. If you've been to a candlelight where there's 50,000 people you would agree that it is an all night affair. Don't see how they could 20,000 through that front door in 2 1/2 hours. What do you think?

cameron
02-04-2008, 07:43 PM
Even the 15,000-20,00 surprises me. If you've been to a candlelight where there's 50,000 people you would agree that it is an all night affair. Don't see how they could 20,000 through that front door in 2 1/2 hours. What do you think?

Like most things concerning Elvis --it's probably exaggerated .;)

Tony Trout
02-04-2008, 07:57 PM
Even the 15,000-20,00 surprises me. If you've been to a candlelight where there's 50,000 people you would agree that it is an all night affair. Don't see how they could 20,000 through that front door in 2 1/2 hours. What do you think?


Like most things concerning Elvis --it's probably exaggerated .;)


I'd have to agree that the vast amount of people that they list as possibly seeing Elvis lying in state is greatly exaggerated.....

cameron
02-04-2008, 08:25 PM
I'd have to agree that the vast amount of people that they list as possibly seeing Elvis lying in state is greatly exaggerated.....


Well, there are 3 600 seconds in one hour. Ask someone how long they got to stand in front of that coffin. ;)
Everything said about Elvis is exaggerated.
This is one thing that doesn't bother me at all.

Wendy56
02-04-2008, 09:32 PM
(I apologize if I possibly came off sounding a bit rude in my first reply...I didn't mean to sound rude...I'm sorry)
It's ok. Didn't know about that procedure... :blink: And I'm still thinking on the photos... Though surely, the "best" photos were the ones people recorded in their minds... :( Did they had the chance of seeing Elvis with the casket open? :hmm:

utmom2008
02-04-2008, 11:01 PM
It's ok. Didn't know about that procedure... :blink: And I'm still thinking on the photos... Though surely, the "best" photos were the ones people recorded in their minds... :( Did they had the chance of seeing Elvis with the casket open? :hmm:
Yes......TotallyInsane was able to go by and view the body twice.

Tony Trout
02-05-2008, 10:51 AM
Yes......TotallyInsane was able to go by and view the body twice.


I wonder if anyone within Elvis's circle knew that there might be some people who would try sneaking a second look at Elvis?

I loved reading TotallyInsane's account of viewing Elvis in the casket.

I know this is a morbid subject for a lot of you here but it's really interesting to me...

Erhan
02-05-2008, 02:47 PM
When people saw Elvis "sweating" in his coffin, it gave fuel to the stupid rumours about him either being alive or substituted with a wax dummy ...

I have a suspicion about my kitchen window it's sweating a lot it could be alive...:lol:

GirlHappy19
02-05-2008, 02:51 PM
can you guys pleaseeeeeeeeee!!Stop showing this picture:'(Is way to sad!!

cameron
02-05-2008, 04:35 PM
can you guys pleaseeeeeeeeee!!Stop showing this picture:'(Is way to sad!!
I agree with you. As far as I'm concerned it's over.
Take care, young lady. (y)

TotallyInsane
02-05-2008, 05:15 PM
I wonder if anyone within Elvis's circle knew that there might be some people who would try sneaking a second look at Elvis?

I loved reading TotallyInsane's account of viewing Elvis in the casket.

I know this is a morbid subject for a lot of you here but it's really interesting to me...

Tony,
Please understand it was a pure accident that I got a second look and wasn't planned at all. My mom and I got separated in that crowd. I waited and waited once I got inside the gate but couldn't find her. I finally decided I wasn't going to get to see him I didn't get up and walk up the driveway, so I did. On the way back down the driveway my mom yelled my name and she was going up the driveway. Instead of getting out of the gate in that mess of a crowd and never finding her again, I made a u-turn and went up with her. It wasn't planned but I didn't want to be alone in that crowd of thousands!!

cameron
02-06-2008, 12:29 PM
Tony,
Please understand it was a pure accident that I got a second look and wasn't planned at all. My mom and I got separated in that crowd. I waited and waited once I got inside the gate but couldn't find her. I finally decided I wasn't going to get to see him I didn't get up and walk up the driveway, so I did. On the way back down the driveway my mom yelled my name and she was going up the driveway. Instead of getting out of the gate in that mess of a crowd and never finding her again, I made a u-turn and went up with her. It wasn't planned but I didn't want to be alone in that crowd of thousands!!

I have one last question for you ...;)
Does this article describe what you saw in that coffin?

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5934885/elvis_presley_19351977_graceland

At the far end of the room was the gleaming copper coffin that contained the body of Elvis Presley.His face seemed swollen and his sideburns reached his chin.]
"He doesn't look anything like himself," the woman beside me said softly. "He just doesn't look anything like himself . . ."


Thanks, Gail and I'm done .

TotallyInsane
02-06-2008, 01:02 PM
I do not recall sideburns as she described. I'm done too.

Hot4Elvis
03-16-2008, 02:34 AM
http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_events_1977.shtml
Scroll down to August 18th. That site has a lot of stuff on it.It wouldn't let me copy it.


Heres a little help...

April 1 - 5 Elvis is hospitalized in Memphis and tour shows scheduled for March 31-April 3 are canceled.

April 1 - Elvis Admitted To Baptist Hospital "Entertainer Elvis Presley was admitted to Baptist Hospital early today after canceling a show at the last minute in Baton Rouge, La., and flying to Memphis with complaints of intestinal flu ..." - The Memphis Press Scimitar

April 6 - Elvis at Home : Hospital on Call "Elvis Presley was released from Baptist Hospital at 4am yesterday [April 5] ... He decided to keep the [Hospital] rooms reserved ... He is feeling fine and looking forward to returning to his personal appearance tours that begin April 21 at Greensboro, NC." - The Commercial Appeal

April 21 - May 31 Elvis tours in concert.

April 21 - Greensboro, N. C. Coliseum
April 22 - Detroit, Michigan. Olympia Stadium
April 23 - Toledo, Ohio. Univ. of Toledo
April 24 - Ann Arbor, Michigan. Crisler Arena
April 25 - Saginaw, Michigan. Saginaw Center RCA releases 'Unchained Melody', 'Little Darlin' and 'If You Love Me' on the album Elvis in Concert.
April 26 - Kalamazoo, Michigan. Wings Stadium
April 27 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Milwaukee Arena
April 28 - Green Bay, Wisconsin. Brown County Veterans
April 29 - Duluth, Minn. Duluth Arena
April 30 - St. Paul, Minn. Civic Center
May 1 - Chicago, Ill. Chicago Stadium
May 2 - Chicago, Ill. Chicago Stadium
May 3 - Saginaw, Michigan. Saginaw Center
May 20 - Knoxville, Tenn. Univ. Of Tennessee
May 21 - Louisville, Ky. Freedom Hall
May 22 - Largo, Md. Capital Center
May 22 - 60 second RCA Elvis radio commercials played in Australia (Welcome To My World)
May 23 - Providence, R.I. Civic Center
May 24 - Augusta, Maine. Civic Center
May 25 - Rochester, N.Y. Community War Memorial
May 26 - Binghamton. N.Y.
May 27 - Binghamton. N.Y.
May 28 - Philadelphia, Pa. Spectrum
May 29 - Baltimore, Md. Civic Center
May 29 - 60 second RCA Elvis radio commercials played in Australia (Welcome To My World)
May 30 - Jacksonville, Fla. Coliseum
May 31 - Baton Rouge, La. La State Univ

June 1 - 2 Elvis tours in concert.

June 1 - Macon, Ga. Coliseum
June 2 - Mobile, Ala. Municipal Auditorium

June - The Single 'Way Down' released - Highest chart position #18 U.K. #1 AU #6
June - President Carter visits Australia

June 17 - 26 - Elvis tours in concert. Shows on June 19, 20, and 21 are recorded by RCA and videotaped by CBS-TV for an upcoming live album and television special. Footage from the show on the 20th is not used in the show. The special will be called 'Elvis in Concert'. It will air in early October after Elvis' death in August. The camera gives a shocking picture of Elvis' poor health in his final days. Still, some of the song performances are great. He still had his voice.

June 17 - June 25 Elvis tours in concert.

June 17 - Springfield, Mo. Southwest Mo. State Univ.
June 18 - Kansas City, Mo. Kemper Arena
June 19 - Omaha, Nebraska. Omaha Civic Center Recorded by RCA for Elvis in Concert
June 19 - 60 second RCA Elvis radio commercials played in Australia (Welcome To My World)
June 20 - Lincoln, Neb. Perishing Municipal Auditorium
June 21 - Rapid City , S.D.. Mount Rushmore Recorded by RCA for Elvis in Concert
June 22 - Sioux Falls, S.D. Sioux Falls Arena
June 23 - Des Moines, Iowa. Veteran's Memorial Auditorium
June 24 - Madison, Wisc. Dade County Coliseum
June 25 - Cincinnati, Ohio. Riverfront Coliseum
June 26 - A concert at Indianapolis, Indiana's Market Square Arena. The last concert performance.
June 26 - 60 second RCA Elvis radio commercials played in Australia (Welcome To My World)
June 27 - August 15 Elvis relaxes in Memphis and prepares for the next leg of touring for 1977
June 30 - The United States introduces Cruise missiles to replace the B-1 bomber
July - The album Moody Blue released - Highest chart position U.S. #3 U.K. #3 AU. #3
July 22 - MOSCOW (AP) - Pitty Poor Elvis - So Say Reds "To hear the Soviets tell it, rock star Elvis Presley is now a broken and forgotten man demonstrating to the world the heartlessness of the American system of exploitation. ...Today this 42 year old man has lost his taste for life ..."
August 1 - The book 'Elvis - What happened ?' released
August 12 - The Space Shuttle Enterprise makes it's first successfull solo flight
August 15 - The album 'Moody Blue' enters Australian album charts.
August 16 - Shortly after midnight Elvis returns to Graceland from a late-night visit to the dentist. Through the early morning of the 16th he takes care of last minute tour details and relaxes with family and staff. He is to fly to Portland, Maine that night and do a show there on the 17th, then continue the scheduled tour. He retires to his master suite at Graceland around 7:00 AM to rest for his evening flight. By late morning, Elvis Presley is dead. It is announced by mid-afternoon. In a matter of hours the shock registers around the world.

"A Memphis Fire Department ambulance from Engine House 29 at 2147 Elvis Presley Boulevard responded to the call at 2:33 pm and by 2:56 pm had taken Presley to the emergency room at Baptist Hospital, seven miles away from his Whitehaven home" "It was just a routine call. Someone was having difficulty breathing at 3764 Elvis Presley Boulevard. Such calls had come in before when people had collapsed on the street as they waited to catch a glimpse of their singing idol. The call was received by the normal procedure, said Charlie Crosby, an emergency medical technician. We only knew it was his house." - The Commercial Appeal

elvisfan4life
03-21-2008, 02:08 AM
I have stood over my mother's body in her coffin, and she looked about 20 years younger. It was unnatural, although the funeral people did a good job. Most funeral parlours ask if you want a more natural look or something a bit younger, but everyone looks unnatural in death.

Her body was also "sweating", which was just moisture settling on the body after being in the freezer for days. When people saw Elvis "sweating" in his coffin, it gave fuel to the stupid rumours about him either being alive or substituted with a wax dummy ...

This is just one of the many reasons why I have specified to be cremated ASAP after death, and I will have no funeral or viewing of my body.

I always found the tradition (primarily in Europe and the southern US) of having open caskets for viewing rather undignified and more than a little creepy.
I am so totally in agreement with you! I viewed my mother's body in a coffin when I was 10 years old - she was 30..... on her autopsy report they said she was african american - my mother was not - she was part indian and part Italian! I loathe the whole funeral idea and think that people should be remembered how they were when they were alive - not lying in some casket! I too will be cremated as soon as possible after my death - no viewing, no funeral! I loved your comment - Thank you! You're the first person who I have ever heard that agreed with the way that I think about this kind of thing!!!!(y)