View Full Version : Do you think that Glady's could changed anything?
ph10579
07-14-2007, 12:14 PM
Hope that everyone is having a great day! Just wondering if Elvis would have lived a longer life had Glady's not died so prematurely herself. I believe that Glady's would of been able to get through to Elvis, and maybe he would of possibly changed his ways for the better. What do you all think of this? Thanks!(y)
elvislady
07-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Alothough i like priscilla, i think gladys would not have had elvis date a young girl of 14 when he was 24. and would not have decived her parents by saying she has moved into vernon and dees home when she was i think 16, but she was really staying at graceland. i think his life would have been really diffrent from the one he lived if his mother was around.
elvislady;)
Raised on Rock
07-14-2007, 12:52 PM
Well its hard to say, cause Gladys died in a similar way ELvis died: depresion/adiction stuff so... but maybe if Gladys had overcome that, ergo lived as long as Vernon, she could have been the only one with the power to straighten Elvis bad habits, and also to give him the selfasuranse that he some times lacked in taking his own decitions about his career.
Good Question ph.
elvisia
07-14-2007, 01:59 PM
Difficult question really......
Actually I`m not sure.....when Elvis started touring in the 50`, Gladys was really worried about him, but Elvis did what he had to do anyway:hmm:
Elvisia
Diane
07-14-2007, 02:20 PM
I agree with Elvisia but I think just the fact that Gladys was still around to turn to when he needed guidance would have helped him out tremendously and the colonel would not have had such a big hold on him nor would he have been allowed to have the MM etc. living at the house and I think all of that would have been much better for him.
Diane
Donut
07-14-2007, 03:33 PM
At least she would have told him like it is. He had a strong character but she had it too and he inherited it from her. Not many were brave enough to comfront him and I think that was the main problem but Gladys sure could make that and not just to Elvis, there would have been many in line...
Alothough i like priscilla, i think gladys would not have had elvis date a young girl of 14 when he was 24. and would not have decived her parents by saying she has moved into vernon and dees home when she was i think 16, but she was really staying at graceland. i think his life would have been really diffrent from the one he lived if his mother was around.
elvislady;)
Actually EP didn't really lie. She did stay under Vernon's watchful eye and at Graceland. But EP wasn't there with her. He was out in LA living while making films. During this time EP would fly Priscilla out to LA to stay with him on certain occasions. But she lived in Memphis and finished school there. He would sometimes fly home to be with her.
About Gladys, yes I do think if she had lived, so would he. He started to lose control once she was gone. His mind, his confidence, his love for life all seemed to dwindle when she passed. If you look at EP prior to her death, you will see a happier and lively EP. But post 1958, a very sad and lonely and depressed man majority of the time. That was because of Gladys no longer around.
Jumpsuit Junkie
07-14-2007, 04:13 PM
Why is it the case that people think that Elvis' life seemed to de-rail after Glady's died????
Yes the woman was a dominant figure in his life, but really..... do you think she would have had that bigger influence on his lifestyle! I certainly do not, Elvis still had the guys around him even back in the early days.
Are we saying that Elvis never had relations with other women whilst Glady's was alive? Elvis respected both of his parents, Elvis was in denial about his lifestyle and I certainly don't think he thought what he was doing to himself was wrong.
Glady's had her own demons, Elvis' fame had a negative impact on her life style, perhaps she was not able to deal with the attention that Elvis was receiving, I'm not talking about jealousy, I'm talking about a close knit family who were put under a spotlight that she found increasingly difficult to cope with.
As for the comment regarding Glady's being the stronger figure in Elvis' life... I think that might have been the case before fame came knocking on the door, after all fame is a powerful aphrodisiac, it is perhaps the fame, the girls, the guys and the substances Elvis was taking to keep him going that made Glady's feel distant from the life she once had with her husband and son.
If anything Glady's was a pre-cursor to how eventually Elvis' life would be abruptly cut short due to the pressures of fame!
ph10579
07-14-2007, 04:28 PM
I had 4 poll choices. Who added the 5th one?
Tony Trout
07-14-2007, 04:56 PM
Elvis was who he was...I don't think that having Gladys around would have changed him at all.
franny
07-14-2007, 04:56 PM
This quote is from George Klein on the Larry King show...
But I'd also, Larry, like to say, a P.S. to what I was talking about his mother, and I will say this, and I've said it many times, if Gladys Presley was alive today, Elvis Presley would be alive today.
Nobody knows for sure, but Elvis' life may have been a little different because, as it's always mentioned, Elvis had no boundaries, when Gladys passed on, but it's one of those things we will never know...
franny
goodelvisgirl
07-14-2007, 06:17 PM
i think if she was around she would have kept elvis on the straight and narrow she would tell him like it is she wouldnt have bowed to his every wish i think if she was around elvis wouldnt have married cilla but hey we will never know
SweetCaroline
07-14-2007, 06:52 PM
I am not really sure how I feel about it. ELVIS was a really stronged willed fella (from what I understand) so it is hard to know how much anyone could have changed the course of history....but at least ELVIS would have had a woman he loved, adored, and respected to talk things over with when it all began caving in on him. Whether having the comfort of a mother's love would have made a difference :hmm: I don't really know. I just wish he had had more love, support, :hug: and direction those last few years...than he did.
It's an impossible question to answer.Although I dont think his mother had any magical control over him.Obviously she couldnt take care of herself so it's doubtfull she could have taken care of him.Elvis probably would have done what he wanted to do no matter what.It's tragic when you lose one of your parents but it's something he had to deal with just like any of us.I dont think that event should be looked upon as the day his life derailed.I've lost my folks just like Im sure many of you have.You just have to go on.Life doesnt stop.
Jak
goodelvisgirl
07-14-2007, 07:15 PM
I am not really sure how I feel about it. ELVIS was a really stronged willed fella (from what I understand) so it is hard to know how much anyone could have changed the course of history....but at least ELVIS would have had a woman he loved, adored, and respected to talk things over with when it all began caving in on him. Whether having the comfort of a mother's love would have made a difference :hmm: I don't really know. I just wish he had had more love, support, :hug: and direction those last few years...than he did.
well you may be right
As far as I know Elvis treaded Pris with much respect. So it doesn't matter where she lived. and like Gladys he had a selfdistructing mind. It's hard to say if Gladys would have mattered, but it's a fact that he would have listened to her.
Christel (TCE)
Menwithbrokenhearts
07-14-2007, 11:18 PM
Well, she was a bit overprotective from what I can tell. I think Elvis really took it to heart that what, to him was a great thing, giving all those great things to his mom wasn't making her happy. I think he felt somewhat responsible for her death. She was extremely worrisome, pretty much any time he was away, that something bad would happen to him. I think maybe that was a load for him to carry, and I think she was codependant in that way. When Elvis started breaking away it made her cling tighter. Elvis did say numerous times he wouldn't live much past his mother's age and died very close to the date of her death and age. I think he had a bit of a self destructive mechanism in that way, and the fact he felt the load of Jesse's death too. I think if she would have cleaned up and taken care of herself it would have been a positive role model for him. He loved her deeply that much is true. She could have swayed him by example. But her talking and worrying he was used too that.I don't think that would've had much affect other than him calling her so she wouldn't . It didn't when he was on the road in the 50's, other than worrying him to call home. He did what he wanted. I do believe that she would have had some sway over the Colonel though. She didn't trust him from the get go, and the Col. had Vernon under his thumb. So, things may have been different that way. And... maybe that would have been all it took?
Dovey
07-15-2007, 04:51 AM
Yep, I agree with you 100% Menwithbrokenhearts.. If Gladys had taken better care of herself she would of been the key to many things that happened in Elvis' life. He loved her very much and her role in his life was very important to Elvis. ( He wanted to make her happy at any cost to himself.. she was his role model ) Dovey ;)
riley
07-15-2007, 08:15 AM
she could have made a difference, certain about that but the poor lady couldn't handle the lifestyle herself at the time and she was "only" the mother of...:hmm:
laura
07-15-2007, 09:12 AM
she would have encouraged him to turn down tom parker's offer because she didn't like the colonel and that would have been the best move of elvis whole carreer i think !
but gladys herself was too weak and sick to survive her son's enrolment, which in a way was due to colonel tricky manipulations behind elvis's back for him to be enrol so enverything is sadly entherwind deeply and History can't be rewritten !
Tommy
07-15-2007, 09:57 AM
I say no, she couldn't have helped him.
she would have encouraged him to turn down tom parker's offer because she didn't like the colonel and that would have been the best move of elvis whole carreer i think !
but gladys herself was too weak and sick to survive her son's enrolment, which in a way was due to colonel tricky manipulations behind elvis's back for him to be enrol so enverything is sadly entherwind deeply and History can't be rewritten !
She was leary of the Colonel from all accounts.On the other hand Vernon and Elvis were very excited about the chance of teaming up with him.
Jak
goodelvisgirl
07-15-2007, 11:38 AM
elvis had some reall skarks around i think the more friends and family on his side the better colonel tom was a greedy man
Diane
07-15-2007, 11:42 AM
Gladys surely did have emotional problems that she passed on to her son which proved to be a mixed blessing. On one hand she was a burden, on the other a shoulder to lean on. She wasn't able to persuade Elvis not to sign up with the colonel which to start out was probably (maybe, I'm not completely convinced of that) a good thing, but as time went on and the colonel started to overstep his bounds she may have been a good buffer between him and her son and he may possibly have dumped the colonel in time. Who knows? So many maybes and possibilities there that we'll never know.
I do believe though that she wouldn't have tolerated all the rowdiness from the MM in her house and she couldn't control what her son did while living in L.A. doing movies unless he brought her along, but at Graceland Elvis may have been able to have a little more normality in his life.
Diane
Burning_Love
07-15-2007, 01:07 PM
I think that if Elvis' mother was allive she would've gone to Germany with him and took Anita. He would have not been with Priscilla because i think his mother would have something to say about the giant age difference and the fact that she's only a little girl.
I think Elvis would have married Anita, because Elvis' mother wanted her and Elvis to have children. But who knows ?? Maybe i'm wrong :hmm: But the prescribed drug problem - she too was taking them so nothing really would've happened, she would of thought it was normal :king:
Good question..made me think thanks (y)
tlcElvis
07-15-2007, 01:39 PM
Alothough i like priscilla, i think gladys would not have had elvis date a young girl of 14 when he was 24. and would not have decived her parents by saying she has moved into vernon and dees home when she was i think 16, but she was really staying at graceland. i think his life would have been really diffrent from the one he lived if his mother was around.
elvislady;)
I think Gladys was a victim of fame as well. I think she was very lonely and isolated at Graceland. Elvis was on the road most of the time and she worried about him constantly.
Does anyone know for sure how old Priscilla was when she moved into Graceland? I've heard 15, 16, and 17. I read (can't remember which book) that she only had a few months left of her senior year by the time she moved into Graceland. Her birthday is in May. Wouldn't that make her just a few months shy of her 18th birthday?
Dudcowboy_1
07-15-2007, 02:07 PM
Not sure if his Mama could have helped him. Elvis did what Elvis wanted to do. I believe no matter what his heart was going get him if he didn't die in 1977. In his family on my mom side that where known for having bad hearts. (meaning heart attacks, hole in the heart and etc.) But we never know. But at lease he's up there with his family and probley singin' every night to everyone. I want find this Sylvia Browne monthly news letter the August 2007 she talks about Elvis for two pages. I was just floored how dead on she was because some of his family members and friends told me.
I will scan it and post it on here in Off-Topic section.
Love to all,
Tim Dudley
ElvisChick
07-15-2007, 05:08 PM
(Taking about the drugs)Even though i voted she could i reallly dont think so. I mean im sure he would tell her that he would change and that we would try but in the end i dont think anyone could've helped him.
Donut
07-15-2007, 05:19 PM
Does anyone know for sure how old Priscilla was when she moved into Graceland? I've heard 15, 16, and 17. I read (can't remember which book) that she only had a few months left of her senior year by the time she moved into Graceland. Her birthday is in May. Wouldn't that make her just a few months shy of her 18th birthday?
I should check it on a book for tell you for sure but I think she was 17 when her parents allowed her to move to Graceland and It doesn?t make much sense because her parents moved to the US 3 or 4 months after that... so her story of convincing her parents to go living with him doesn?t make much sense, because Elvis could have visited her if he was so interested in her at any time.
Jumpsuit Junkie
07-15-2007, 05:42 PM
(Taking about the drugs)Even though i voted she could i reallly dont think so. I mean im sure he would tell her that he would change and that we would try but in the end i dont think anyone could've helped him.
Bingo! We can all justify our lives, rightly or wrongly we stray from the path. Life isn't easy for us mere mortals, Imagine the temptation that is out there for those who have the world in the palm of their hand? I'm not casting aspersions, it's not my place too, but I'm sure even GLady's with her strength of character would not have been able to guide her son from the inevitable path his life had lead him too.
Donut
07-15-2007, 05:46 PM
Bingo! We can all justify our lives, rightly or wrongly we stray from the path. Life isn't easy for us mere mortals, Imagine the temptation that is out there for those who have the world in the palm of their hand? I'm not casting aspersions, it's not my place too, but I'm sure even GLady's with her strength of character would not have been able to guide her son from the inevitable path his life had lead him too.
Or maybe she wasn?t mean to be there at that time because Elvis life was meant to end like it did and she could have changed that. So we will never know...
Merry
07-15-2007, 06:21 PM
From KPM
.<snip>He was special-if he wasn't why are we talking about him here. He is one of a handful of people in our lives who have touched and changed the world in some way. He was never perfect, he was one of us-yet different. Fantastic!
I have copied what KPM has said above, from another thread, as KPM has a lot of good things to say, I really respect your opinion, KPM, thank you.
What I feel, and from my experiences in life thus far, all we can ever do is our best at the time. Not look back and regret a thing, but take on board our life experiences, learn from them (most important) as what we do in life, makes us, us! Included in this, we should endeavour to love with all our hearts, if you love someone, tell them! Live our lives to the full (the lessons we need to learn from Elvis) and care for others.
Elvis did this, Mrs. Presley did this, (a wonderful mother she was, reading about her, how she cared deeply for others, reminds me of my grandmother) this is all anyone can ask of themselves, to also appreciate the good qualities from those we love.
Above all, we need to be easy on ourselves. Fun, faith, love, and laughter is most important, and that, is what we should be concentrating on, moving forward, living in the moment. This is my opinion, anyway.
Jess
SweetCaroline
07-15-2007, 10:46 PM
I know this much about ELVIS if I know not one thing else...ELVIS LOVED his fans. You can see it in how much his face just lights up on stage when he is joking, hugging, kissing, talking, singing, to his fans. I bet he is looking down and smiling at us that love and care so much we are here together talking, sharing... and wishing things had somehow been different for him...so he didn't have to leave us so soon. :'( Yes, ELVIS, we do remember you :king:...and miss you. :(
hounddog
07-15-2007, 10:52 PM
The only person who could have saved Elvis was Elvis. She might have been able to tell it like it is to him and made him stop and think what he was doing, but Elvis was a man, he made decisions about his life only he could fix it.
Merry
07-15-2007, 11:35 PM
I know this much about ELVIS if I know not one thing else...ELVIS LOVED his fans. You can see it in how much his face just lights up on stage when he is joking, hugging, kissing, talking, singing, to his fans. I bet he is looking down and smiling at us that love and care so much we are here together talking, sharing... and wishing things had somehow been different for him...so he didn't have to leave us so soon. :'( Yes, ELVIS, we do remember you :king:...and miss you. :(
Dearest SweetCaroline,
I agree with you 100%. Beautifully said! :clap:
So glad you are here! (y)
Hugs,
Jess
Awickedreigndrop
07-16-2007, 02:07 AM
I read somewhere that Elvis himself said that his mother kept him very grounded after the fame. I also read somewhere that the MM fed Elvis' ego. On one side he would of had someone kissing his a** and on the other his mother would be telling him things like it is. From this I think that Elvis life would have been somewhat different if she had lived longer.
Joe Car
07-16-2007, 03:41 AM
Given what we know now, given the talented people who have succumbed to fame just after a short while, the fact that EP held together as long as he did, was incredible. He's the biggest star the world has ever known, he had no previous experience of another star going through what he went through. The only thing he worried about, was not suffering the same fate as boxer Joe Louis, who owed millions of dollars in back taxes, thus Elvis always payed a tremendous amount of taxes. Todays stars use Elvis' mistakes as a guide on what not to do. So he tested the waters alone, changing the world forever, this unbelieviably talented poor boy from Tupelo. Had Gladys lived, I'm not sure if she could have detoured him from some of the choices he made, but with her alive, his life certainly would have benefitted no doubt, as he loved her dearly without question.
Jumpsuit Junkie
07-16-2007, 04:40 AM
She was leary of the Colonel from all accounts.On the other hand Vernon and Elvis were very excited about the chance of teaming up with him.
Jak
Agreed, Glady's was leary of the Colonel, but I think she would have been leary of anyone who who in her eyes was taking her son away from her!
If Glady's had as much sway over Elvis as is suggested, I certainly don't think Elvis would have had anywhere near the success that he had.
graceland girl
07-16-2007, 07:37 AM
yeah think he wasnt quite the same after she left him and a part of him was always missing
Agreed, Glady's was leary of the Colonel, but I think she would have been leary of anyone who who in her eyes was taking her son away from her!
If Glady's had as much sway over Elvis as is suggested, I certainly don't think Elvis would have had anywhere near the success that he had.
Im with you 100% on this one.I think her influence is probably somewhat exaggerated.Elvis still hit the road in those early days while at sun.I think he was ready to spread his wings no matter what anybody had to say.She worried about him on the road but he went anyway.He was determined to make it.
Jak
Jumpsuit Junkie
07-16-2007, 03:45 PM
yeah think he wasn't quite the same after she left him and a part of him was always missing
I agree with what you are saying although the same can be said of almost anyone who has lost a parent or a loved one before their time? Elvis got on with his life and career, Just look at the success of the 68 Special or TTWII and the Aloha shows to see that Elvis wasn't beset by an over exaggerated grief for his mother.
There is an undercurrent of perpetuated myth that has Elvis pining for his mother daily and this dogged him into an early grave.
This just doesn't ring true.
I agree JJ. I think there had to be moments where he became depressed that his mother was not there. When he got married, when Lisa was born, Christmas etc. But I think his life went on most of the time, like everyones does when someone special in your life dies. That does not mean he did not love his mother deeply or miss her. I imagine the few times he was totally alone with his thoughts he might wonder why she had to die so young (just as he could give her anything) But he had movies to make, records to cut, amusement parks to rent -he kept busy.
Diane
07-16-2007, 04:34 PM
I agree with JJ and KPM, also remember that when he was a child he sneaked off to places he wasn't supposed to go just like any other normal child.
I wonder though had his mother lived and he began to worry so much about her addiction and what it could do to her whether that would have had any impact on him getting too involved with his own? I say this because he didn't drink because of it........????
Diane
Jumpsuit Junkie
07-16-2007, 05:08 PM
I agree with JJ and KPM, also remember that when he was a child he sneaked off to places he wasn't supposed to go just like any other normal child.
I wonder though had his mother lived and he began to worry so much about her addiction and what it could do to her whether that would have had any impact on him getting too involved with his own? I say this because he didn't drink because of it........????
Diane
Elvis didn't consider himself addicted :'(
Diane
07-16-2007, 05:48 PM
You're right JJ and most addicts are in denial - therein lies the problem. But I meant whether it would have done him any good to have his mother to worry about BEFORE his addiction got too strong and not to have all the MM so close around all the time to aid him in his addiction?
I guess probably not as he would still have felt that the pills were safe as they were prescription until it was too late. Now I wonder whether his mother would have been rational enough to realize what they could do to him and whether he would have listened.
I suppose it's a waste of time for suppositions etc. as none of it will bring him back.
Diane
franny
07-16-2007, 05:49 PM
No, Elvis didn't think he was addicted, otherwise he may have gotten help!
The only one who could have changed Elvis, was Elvis!
Maybe, Gladys could have influenced him, but I don't think she could have changed him much, he was already used to his lifestyle and he was a grown man, who did things his own way! He should have taken control of his own life, I'm sure easier said then done, with all the pressures he had!
franny
Jumpsuit Junkie
07-16-2007, 11:16 PM
You're right JJ and most addicts are in denial - therein lies the problem. But I meant whether it would have done him any good to have his mother to worry about BEFORE his addiction got too strong and not to have all the MM so close around all the time to aid him in his addiction?
I guess probably not as he would still have felt that the pills were safe as they were prescription until it was too late. Now I wonder whether his mother would have been rational enough to realize what they could do to him and whether he would have listened.
I suppose it's a waste of time for suppositions etc. as none of it will bring him back.
Diane
I agree, I have read somewhere before that It was a Southern disposition to believe that anything prescribed by the doctor was OK, if this is the case there is no reason not to believe that Glady's wouldn't have thought that way too until it was too late?
Merry
07-17-2007, 12:03 AM
I agree, I have read somewhere before that It was a Southern disposition to believe that anything prescribed by the doctor was OK, if this is the case there is no reason not to believe that Glady's wouldn't have thought that way too until it was too late?
It was the same in Australia. I know my family thought that Doctors were people to look up to, to trust, to never, ever, ever question! EVER! (A sign of deep respect. Nothing wrong with old fashioned values of the time, which is nice, really).
Please also remember, people were addicted to Bex (a powder for headaches which was eventually withdrawn). Remember, what the main ingredient of Coca-cola was?!
Jess
Diane
07-17-2007, 07:19 AM
Yes JJ and Jess, you're both right. It was the same when I was growing up. Doctors, religious and government leaders were all thought to be completely trustworthy. I remember that doctors were very quick to prescribe Valium to their patients claiming their ills were due to "nerves" especially for their woman patients and many ended up with an addiction to it. Luckily my family wasn't one to like "pills" as we all took them at one time or another.
Diane
Gerry Lee
07-17-2007, 11:31 AM
Elvis would do anything think for his Mum, if she saw him doing something wrong she would have told him straight away. You could tell that as soon as Gladys passed away that Elvis changed, he always said that he missed his mum so much and wished that she was there with him.
Elvis68
07-17-2007, 01:37 PM
Elvis was Elvis. That says enough, nothing would have changed the way things went.
SweetCaroline
07-17-2007, 03:07 PM
Elvis was Elvis. That says enough, nothing would have changed the way things went.
It's just that we that love him so... wish so much it would have went differently...somehow...someway. :(
Diane
07-17-2007, 03:09 PM
I have to disagree with the last two posts. First Elvis inherited his mother's stubborn streak and would not have to listened to everything she had to say, some but not all.
Secondly, I do believe a lot of things could have changed the way things ended up with Elvis but none of it happened.
Diane
Merry
07-17-2007, 03:19 PM
It's just that we that love him so... wish so much it would have went differently...somehow...someway. :(
Yes, SweetCaroline; however, so many fans honour Elvis daily. He is always in our hearts, loved and treasured by millions. What an amazing thought, to be loved soooo much. I love it! :clap: I'd hope that he somehow knows how truely loved and cherished he is by all who talk daily about him, listen to his music, watch his resemblance in Lisa and her children. We all think of him, and send him love. We give him our guiding light, by just being here.
Hugs Carole,
Jess
SweetCaroline
07-17-2007, 07:53 PM
We all think of him, and send him love. We give him our guiding light, by just being here.
...Or.....does he send us his love and guiding light. :hmm:
Merry
07-17-2007, 10:55 PM
...Or.....does he send us his love and guiding light. :hmm:
LOL, yes I think he does :D
Jess
MeanWoman
07-22-2007, 06:46 AM
I don't believe that Elvis would have done anything his mother told him, although in this poll I voted for that option because I do believe she would have had a positive influence on Elvis had she lived longer.
I do think it would have been difficult for Gladys to handle her son's sudden rise to fame and subsequent exposure of the Presley's lives and their every move. We can only imagine the scrutiny they lived under at this time (the late 50s). IMO, everyone says Elvis was as handsome as his father Vernon, but when I first saw Vernon, he doesn't look anything like E yet Elvis is almost the spitting image of his mother. You can just imagine the kind of innuendo going on back then. Greil Marcus mentioned it in Dead Elvis (that possibly Vernon may NOT have been his father) which brought it to my, up until then, ignornant attention. I mean, I guess you just don't question these kind of things. This, to me, was an astounding thing to put into print. I can only imagine what Gladys was going through in the late 50s, from outside speculators, and then Elvis later on by inside a**holes. Incredible stuff.
Of course things would have turned out different if Gladys had lived, but life is not like that.
8mmlowa
07-22-2007, 04:48 PM
yes it would have changed alot
but i do not think that he would live longer because of her...
The King's Queen
08-09-2007, 04:13 PM
I believe that had Gladys lived longer, Elvis' life would have taken a lot of different twists. She would have been in Germany...Pris would not have gotten a foot in the door...Elvis would have had that stern sense of being grounded that he lost when she died...and I think that he would have had more success with his relationships with women as well. It's true that he would have done his thing, without her knowledge...lol, but there would have been a line drawn that he would not have wanted to cross! :nono: He would never have wanted to hurt her or bring her shame. As it was, he had no structure, no guidance without her. Sad situation. :'(
But I am sure that they are together now. And without a doubt, he no longer feels so alone.:hug:
presley31
08-09-2007, 04:39 PM
I disgree,,,,,,Elvis was elvis and nothing and nobody could of changed that. He did what he wanted to do, and as for pris l'am glad that they got togther cause he has a beauiful daughter who he loved to pieces.
orwell1976
08-10-2007, 05:27 AM
Gladys surely had some problems herself. She took a lot of pills and drank too much. I guess she would have been the wrong person to help the king.
Perhaps if she had lived, some of the bad habits would never have developed to start with.
Diane
01-14-2009, 03:47 PM
Whether Gladys was drinking and taking diet pills would not have stopped her from trying to stop her son from getting addicted on the same or something else and if she thought her problems were helping him to do the same, I think she would have done something about it. She was a very devoted mother.
Diane
Whether Gladys was drinking and taking diet pills would not have stopped her from trying to stop her son from getting addicted on the same or something else and if she thought her problems were helping him to do the same, I think she would have done something about it. She was a very devoted mother.
Diane
absolutely. parents are there for protecting their kids no matter how they did with themselves.
elvispresleytheking
01-14-2009, 05:40 PM
Elvis loved his mom so much, that in the 19 years he lived after her, he never recovered. He would've given anything just to have her back.
Wendy56
01-14-2009, 07:33 PM
Parker would have been off of Elvis' life...
memphis69
01-14-2009, 10:39 PM
I THINK THAT HIS MOTHER WOULD HAVE HELPED HIM VERY MUCH. OF COURSE THEY WERE SO CLOSE AND HAD A VERY SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP. BUT ELVIS WOULD HAVE TO WANT TO HELP HIMSELF. IF HE COULDN'T DO THIS THEN I THINK NOBODY COULD HAVE HELPED HIM.
sweet pia
01-15-2009, 06:57 AM
I just read the two volumes by guralnick and although he is very reluctant to say why elvis life went downhill from 58/60 on, it seems to me, that some of the bad habits elvis developed were due to the fact that gladys was not there anymore and showed how far elvis should go. he was a loving son so she didn´t necessarily have to say much, he knew in advance what was wrong. nobody took over this role after gladys death.
MissyM
01-15-2009, 09:41 AM
Glayds did drink to much on occasion, she also did take pills sometimes to loose weight. But she was a very, very functioning person. She got up in the morning, made breakfast for her men. She did chores, she was there for many many people who needed her, emotionally, physically, and loved many. A friend to many. Family life really did revolve around her in many ways. Her home was an open door to family and friends, a warm welcome open door. She was spiritual as well, strongly so. That women was the salt of the earth. Sometimes people seem to think because of some problems that she wasn't all that and more. But she was. She left a hole in the hearts of many when she left, a big hole.
Diane
01-15-2009, 10:45 AM
(y)(y)(y) I agree, Gladys was a good woman through and through.
Diane
Jumpsuit Junkie
01-15-2009, 12:01 PM
If, as is espoused, Gladys worried about Elvis being on the road and being away from home making movies etc. Why would Elvis have gone away if Gladys had as much sway as is being suggested.
Elvis loved his mother but also wanted to travel, become famous and live his own life. Elvis must have seen how his being away affected Gladys but made a considered choice to carry on with his career :hmm:
Elvis may have had a close relationship with his mother, but I believe that a lot of this is being blown out of proportion. Their relationship may have been closer than average but neither had more sway on each others destiny.
I need for somebody to explain to me how Gladys could have have more control over Elvis' than say.... The Colonel, Vernon, Priscilla all of whom had a large impact on Elvis' life. Gladys clearly had difficulty controlling her own destiny, so what hope had she controlling the life of her son in the 1970's when Elvis had become larger than life and twice as unstoppable.
utmom2008
01-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Elvis loved his mom so much, that in the 19 years he lived after her, he never recovered. He would've given anything just to have her back.
I'm curious.....what do you base that statement on?:hmm::hmm:
epmoodyblue
01-15-2009, 04:37 PM
:hmm:...a simple no outcome would of been the same..this was his destiny. sadly .a short life ..
:hmm:...a simple no outcome would of been the same..this was his destiny. sadly .a short life ..
yeah i guess ya could say that but we don't know for sure. do we?
epmoodyblue
01-15-2009, 05:08 PM
yeah i guess ya could say that but we don't know for sure. do we?course we dont know for sure....none of us here have the real answers were just supposing...guessing
course we dont know for sure....none of us here have the real answers were just supposing...guessing
that's right and it's an interesting read i mean to hear others' point of views
shelley.m.
01-15-2009, 07:58 PM
I believe that Gladys was a victim of Elvis' wealth and fame.She was a simple woman,who didn't have much when she was younger.Then to have all of her son's fame and fortune was too much for her.It happened too fast for both Gladys and Vernon but especially Gladys.I think that the simplest things were more important to Gladys then having lots of money.
Diane
01-15-2009, 08:19 PM
I believe that Gladys was a victim of Elvis' wealth and fame.She was a simple woman,who didn't have much when she was younger.Then to have all of her son's fame and fortune was too much for her.It happened too fast for both Gladys and Vernon but especially Gladys.I think that the simplest things were more important to Gladys.
I agree, and I don't believe that Elvis was destined to go when he did. I believe you do have some control over the outcome of your life...not all but some.
Diane
utmom2008
01-15-2009, 10:39 PM
I agree, and I don't believe that Elvis was destined to go when he did. I believe you do have some control over the outcome of your life...not all but some.
Diane
I agree with you Diane.(y) I believe in "free will" and that God gives us "choices". Sadly, we don't always make the right choice.:blink::blush:
MissyM
01-16-2009, 05:31 AM
If, as is espoused, Gladys worried about Elvis being on the road and being away from home making movies etc. Why would Elvis have gone away if Gladys had as much sway as is being suggested.
Elvis loved his mother but also wanted to travel, become famous and live his own life. Elvis must have seen how his being away affected Gladys but made a considered choice to carry on with his career :hmm:
Elvis may have had a close relationship with his mother, but I believe that a lot of this is being blown out of proportion. Their relationship may have been closer than average but neither had more sway on each others destiny.
I need for somebody to explain to me how Gladys could have have more control over Elvis' than say.... The Colonel, Vernon, Priscilla all of whom had a large impact on Elvis' life. Gladys clearly had difficulty controlling her own destiny, so what hope had she controlling the life of her son in the 1970's when Elvis had become larger than life and twice as unstoppable.
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Why would Elvis have gone you ask? Because he was carving out a career. While it did worry her, parents who love their children let them fly. Gladys did so, even encouraged it through her worry. My son was doing freestyle motocross exhibitions, it killed me inside but what can a mom do. The hardest part is letting go, knowing the dangers. And son/daughters who have a passion for something and yet know it causes mom greif struggle as well. The closer they are the worse it is.
Their relationship's closeness is not blown out of proportion)IMO), from everything I know. They were two people deeply bonded for several reasons, for years. Some I've touched on and some that little focus of importance seems realized.
I'm not sure what is meant by Glady controlling her own desinty. But, while the decision to change in the end would have been Elvis's. I honestly feel that it may never have gotten to the point that it did. Therefore been at some point not such a big mountain to climb at a given point and one in which he would have someone who loved him and climbed it with him right there, every step. And while Gladys tended to cut Elvis too much slack at times, don't think she wouldn't give him a wack on the head verbally. They did fight and she knew when to come down on him.
And she would have verbally smack some of the MM too.
So, I honestly feel in my heart that the Elvis of the later years, would have never come to be. There are so many things she would have had influence on.
Jumpsuit Junkie
01-16-2009, 09:57 AM
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Why would Elvis have gone you ask? Because he was carving out a career. While it did worry her, parents who love their children let them fly. Gladys did so, even encouraged it through her worry. My son was doing freestyle motocross exhibitions, it killed me inside but what can a mom do. The hardest part is letting go, knowing the dangers. And son/daughters who have a passion for something and yet know it causes mom greif struggle as well. The closer they are the worse it is.
Their relationship's closeness is not blown out of proportion)IMO), from everything I know. They were two people deeply bonded for several reasons, for years. Some I've touched on and some that little focus of importance seems realized.
I'm not sure what is meant by Glady controlling her own desinty. But, while the decision to change in the end would have been Elvis's. I honestly feel that it may never have gotten to the point that it did. Therefore been at some point not such a big mountain to climb at a given point and one in which he would have someone who loved him and climbed it with him right there, every step. And while Gladys tended to cut Elvis too much slack at times, don't think she wouldn't give him a wack on the head verbally. They did fight and she knew when to come down on him.
And she would have verbally smack some of the MM too.
So, I honestly feel in my heart that the Elvis of the later years, would have never come to be. There are so many things she would have had influence on.
And this is where we respectfully disagree, by the time Gladys would have understood there was a problem it would have already been too late! If his father, and multiple professional Doctors were unable to clinically wean Elvis from his dependency then I see little hope of Gladys being able to either.
What I meant by Gladys being able to control her own destiny was that she had her own demons and was unable to control them, so I believe she wasn't even in control of her own life let alone that of her son.
I agree it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Gladys could of influenced Elvis' life in positive ways, but not to the effect of completely changing his life course.. There are a lot of people who would like to give Elvis' life a positive ending through his mother, thus giving her a happy ending also.
And this is where we respectfully disagree, by the time Gladys would have understood there was a problem it would have already been too late! If his father, and multiple professional Doctors were unable to clinically wean Elvis from his dependency then I see little hope of Gladys being able to either.
What I meant by Gladys being able to control her own destiny was that she had her own demons and was unable to control them, so I believe she wasn't even in control of her own life let alone that of her son.
I agree it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Gladys could of influenced Elvis' life in positive ways, but not to the effect of completely changing his life course.. There are a lot of people who would like to give Elvis' life a positive ending through his mother, thus giving her a happy ending also.
I pretty much agree, but some believe that a single snow flakes difference in lifes history-can change that history in a small way.
Perhaps the bigger the snow flake-the more history is changed?
June Carter and religion were major forces which turned Johnny Cashs life around. So its not out of the realm of possibility I think.
ehollier
01-16-2009, 11:34 AM
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I pretty much agree, but some believe that a single snow flakes difference in lifes history-can change that history in a small way.
Perhaps the bigger the snow flake-the more history is changed?
June Carter and religion were major forces which turned Johnny Cashs life around. So its not out of the realm of possibility I think.
You can expand the theory of Gladys' effect on Elvis - had Gladys remained alive, Elvis would have never descended so far into drugs during the 60's and 70's. Also, I truly believe that if Gladys had lived , with her mere presence having such a huge effect on Elvis' life, he would have not been so promiscuous throughout his life (something Red West also has mentioned), something that happened simultaneously with the escalation in drugs. If you remove the drugs and promiscuousness from his life, it’s possible that he would have had a healthier and longer relationship with his wife, possibly a longer career and lifespan. But with so many 'ifs' involved, its difficult to imagine his fate as anything other than what it was. Someone said that he was the perfect Greek tragedy, and this is so very true, and possibly part of his appeal and legendary, almost mythical status.
But I'm more incline to the line of thinking of Jumpsuit Junkie - if those around him - his cohorts, doctors, father, wife, girlfriends - weren't able to influence his decision to stop taking drugs, I doubt that Gladys would have had much effect on him, sad as it may seem.
GraceeD1970
01-16-2009, 11:38 AM
I could not imagine the wild parties, groupies, etc., etc. hanging around Graceland as I sometimes think Elvis regarded Graceland as a place for his parents, w/ the upmost respect for his mother. If Gladys disapproved the going ons inside Graceland, Elvis would have respected his mother's wishes. I sometimes think of poor Minnie Mae. Here it would be 9:00 PM and she'd be wanting to get ready for bed and Elvis would be starting his day. Don't know how she could ever sleep in an environment like that.
You can expand the theory of Gladys' effect on Elvis - had Gladys remained alive, Elvis would have never descended so far into drugs during the 60's and 70's. Also, I truly believe that if Gladys had lived , with her mere presence having such a huge effect on Elvis' life, he would have not been so promiscuous throughout his life (something Red West also has mentioned), something that happened simultaneously with the escalation in drugs. If you remove the drugs and promiscuousness from his life, it’s possible that he would have had a healthier and longer relationship with his wife, possibly a longer career and lifespan. But with so many 'ifs' involved, its difficult to imagine his fate as anything other than what it was. Someone said that he was the perfect Greek tragedy, and this is so very true, and possibly part of his appeal and legendary, almost mythical status.
But I'm more incline to the line of thinking of Jumpsuit Junkie - if those around him - his cohorts, doctors, father, wife, girlfriends - weren't able to influence his decision to stop taking drugs, I doubt that Gladys would have had much effect on him, sad as it may seem.
There is no doubt Elvis fully and totally respected his mother. Sometimes the level of respect one has for others is a deciding factor on listening and accepting advice. I'm not sure anyone else on earth got the respect that Elvis placed in his mother. I also think there was no one on earth he would have wanted to disappoint than his mom. How that would have changed his life is a 50/50 question. Just a thought.
memphis69
01-16-2009, 01:36 PM
I DON'T THINK THAT ELVIS' LAS VEGAS LIFESTYLE WOULD HAVE SUITED GLADYS PRELSEY!!
Jumpsuit Junkie
01-16-2009, 01:55 PM
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I pretty much agree, but some believe that a single snow flakes difference in lifes history-can change that history in a small way.
Perhaps the bigger the snow flake-the more history is changed?
June Carter and religion were major forces which turned Johnny Cashs life around. So its not out of the realm of possibility I think.
As I said previously, Gladys would have had some positive effects without a shadow of doubt, but Elvis would have hidden his drug taking from his mother or even said look these are from a doctor, I need them.
As close as a mother and son relationship can be, do you really think Gladys would have ruled Elvis' life?
utmom2008
01-16-2009, 02:00 PM
As close as a mother and son relationship can be, do you really think Gladys would have ruled Elvis' life?
No, I don't think she would have ruled his life. The only difference she might have made with the drug problem was making Elvis secretly have a twinge of guilt everytime he took a handfull.:blink:
As I said previously, Gladys would have had some positive effects without a shadow of doubt, but Elvis would have hidden his drug taking from his mother or even said look these are from a doctor, I need them.
As close as a mother and son relationship can be, do you really think Gladys would have ruled Elvis' life?
Maybe and then again maybe he would have not become so dependent on them-or would have listened closer if she told him "you are being changed by these" its a possibility.
As far as Gladys ruling Elvis's life-no I do not think that would have been the case, but Elvis may have wanted to rule his own life differently.
Diane
01-16-2009, 04:44 PM
I also don't think that Gladys could have ruled Elvis' life but she sure could have put a crimp in the Colonel's plans if not get Elvis to get rid of him altogether, and she would have had an iron hand on the MMs shoulders...would have been fewer of them too. I feel all of this would have lessened the strain on Elvis and he may not have gotten as dependent on the pills as he did.
Diane
franny
01-16-2009, 05:35 PM
As much as Elvis loved and respected his mother, I don't think she would have got him off the pills...He was already his own person and besides she would not have been by his side 24/7 to see it...and he would have done his best to keep it from her...
franny
Jumpsuit Junkie
01-17-2009, 02:14 AM
No, I don't think she would have ruled his life. The only difference she might have made with the drug problem was making Elvis secretly have a twinge of guilt everytime he took a handfull.:blink:
Agreed, I'm sure that guilt would have had the same effect as a wagging finger from Vernon, Dr. Nick, Priscilla, Linda, Joe, Charlie, Sonny, Lamar, Jerry and so on.... If Elvis couldn't wean himself off the drugs for the greatest love of his life Lisa Marie, it was never going to happen :blink:
As much as Elvis loved and respected his mother, I don't think she would have got him off the pills...He was already his own person and besides she would not have been by his side 24/7 to see it...and he would have done his best to keep it from her...
franny
Exactly, my bet is that Gladys would be on the pills as well :hmm:
I also don't think that Gladys could have ruled Elvis' life but she sure could have put a crimp in the Colonel's plans if not get Elvis to get rid of him altogether, and she would have had an iron hand on the MMs shoulders...would have been fewer of them too. I feel all of this would have lessened the strain on Elvis and he may not have gotten as dependent on the pills as he did.
Diane
Tough one to call with the Memphis Mafia, I'm sure there would have been less play time in the early days at Graceland, but would they have gone else ware to play?
MissyM
01-17-2009, 05:43 AM
My point was I don't think he would have ever gotten into the drugs as bad as he did in the first place.
franny
01-17-2009, 06:59 PM
My point was I don't think he would have ever gotten into the drugs as bad as he did in the first place.
The drugs started in the army and escalated from there...What could Gladys have done to stop it? He definitely wouldn't let her know about it..
franny
Annie
01-17-2009, 07:25 PM
Well, I think if Elvis had lived longer with us and his mother had not died prematurely, Elvis would have continued with the kind of life he led, because he was so, he had a lot of character and didn't like to say I had to do. He loved his mother, trying to please her, but didn't like anybody lead his life. It is my opinion, of course.
MissyM
01-18-2009, 08:57 AM
He was only taking pills to stay awake in the Army. I know people who have done that, truck drivers, college kids, people working second and third shifts, and never taken anything but those. One drug does not always lead to another.
Why the misconceptions. It's not like I would consider him an addict of many different drugs at that time. No comparision to the level at the end of his life.
He was only taking pills to stay awake in the Army. I know people who have done that, truck drivers, college kids, people working second and third shifts, and never taken anything but those. One drug does not always lead to another. Why the misconceptions. It's not like I would consider him an addict of many different drugs at that time. No comparision to the level at the end of his life.
This is true for some-but many studies have shown it does for others. Thats why the research each year into drug and alcohol addictions.
utmom2008
01-18-2009, 10:56 AM
This is true for some-but many studies have shown it does for others. Thats why the research each year into drug and alcohol addictions.
Good point Ken. Why is it that one person can take a Vicodin and be fine, while the next person that takes a Vicodin is hooked. Studies show that if you are of an addictive nature it only takes a couple of days for trouble to start.:blush:
Good point Ken. Why is it that one person can take a Vicodin and be fine, while the next person that takes a Vicodin is hooked. Studies show that if you are of an addictive nature it only takes a couple of days for trouble to start.:blush:
I hate that pain killer. I have a brother and a brother in law who both have ongoing pain problems. My brother has had neck and back trouble for years-2surgerys and still problems. Vicodin was the pain killer they gave him-and it was a problem-he needed them all the time. My brother told me he worried that any pain would lead to big pain- so he'd pop a vicodin.
My brother in law had a knee problem which he had surgery for-also a problem. His wife had to call his doctor-who stopped his prescription and all he77 broke loose. :doh:
It seems to be a very addictive pain killer for many.
utmom2008
01-18-2009, 11:20 AM
It seems to be a very addictive pain killer for many.
It's a BIG problem for LOTS of people I think. Dr. Phil has done several shows about the dangers of Vicodin and the problem it has become for many housewives. He has had women on his show that were up to 40 to 50 Vicodin a day. They had been through all of their savings and the husbands did not have a clue what was happening. Lots of "Dr. shopping" associated with that drug.:blush:
Diane
01-18-2009, 11:55 AM
It's really funny how addictions work. I've tried over the years to quit smoking so many times and never succeeded staying away from cigarettes yet I've never gotten addicted to pills because of my mistrust of them and unwillingness to take them for more than just a short time...if I HAVE too. Also my father was an alcoholic although still a very sweet nice man, but I never got addicted to that either.
All I can think of is that it must be a chemical thing in one's system that makes you easy to be addicted to one kind of drug but not the other. On the other hand, I've known people who got addicted to them all???:blink:
Diane
shelley.m.
01-18-2009, 12:08 PM
I live with a drug addict,my brother.Things around here are pretty scary.What bothers me,is his constant lying.He hasn't worked a steady job in the past 12months.Always pawning stuff off for his prescription medication.He went into detox for only 4 days! He has made all our lives a "living hell." He figures since he's cut back on taking his med's,that he's beaten his "problem." I don't think so!
midnight
01-18-2009, 12:12 PM
My mom smoked for over 25 years and gave up smoking about 20 years ago. I remember even up until 10 years after she quit, she would still get the urge to smoke when she saw someone else doing it! Now she can`t even stand the smell of it. But it was a long hard battle. My grandmother decided to start smoking in her late 60s. She is 86 now and loves every puff!:lol: She tried to give it up but had such a difficult time with it she picked it up again! She says "At my age I am soon going to go, so I might as well go happy"!:lol:
Yes Diane....addictions is very powerful and individual!
franny
01-18-2009, 07:05 PM
He was only taking pills to stay awake in the Army. I know people who have done that, truck drivers, college kids, people working second and third shifts, and never taken anything but those. One drug does not always lead to another.
Why the misconceptions. It's not like I would consider him an addict of many different drugs at that time. No comparision to the level at the end of his life.
Yes, but everyone is different...maybe some take pills to stay awake or whatever, but don't get hooked...Elvis obviously got hooked on other pills, some he had to take, but some he didn't..
There's no misconceptions, but that is where it started...it just escalated from there!
franny
utmom2008
01-18-2009, 08:34 PM
My grandmother decided to start smoking in her late 60s. She is 86 now and loves every puff!:lol:
Maybe I'll stay with her when I come for a visit!:lmfao::lmfao:
Wonder Of You
01-19-2009, 08:00 AM
i think Gladys could have changed alot and elvis would be still around here coz he does anything for his mother like they said: Gladys was the most important in elvis live so she probaly could help him! this is only my response to ur question!
Johnny TLC, TCB!
midnight
01-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Maybe I'll stay with her when I come for a visit!:lmfao::lmfao:
You be good Miss Rosanne! When you stay with me I want you to be right at home.....puffs and all!(y)
john carpenter
01-29-2009, 06:24 AM
Elvis respected Gladys (from what i've read) and i'm not a mother but, as any mother knows you can only advise your children to do something, and when they hit 18 they do as they please! He might have listened to her but on all accounts he was bull headed!:cursing:
beckelvis
01-29-2009, 12:13 PM
I BELIEVE THAT IN SOME OCASSION gLADYS TO SAY SOME THINGS TO ELVIS,AND TO CONTINUE IN HIS WAY LIKE THAT I DO NOT KNOW,LOVED AND RESPECTING HER VERY MUCH,BUT HE LIKED TO SING AND TO BE FAMOUS,AT THE TIME I´M NOT SURE.
I'LLRememberYou
03-15-2009, 02:54 AM
How much could the one person that you could talk to have an effect? Lot's of ways. When you were down and needing someone, who better than your mother? When you wanted to get something off your chest that would be embarassing, momma is there. When you needed a laugh, a talk about something funny from your childhood. Feeling good about getting momma the things she always wanted. Just to hear her say, elvis you are getting too big for your britches. Looking at her, grinning, yes momma I have put on some weight, maybe you could fix them for me? laughing as she smacks you with the dish rag and saying, elvis you know that's not what I meant. How could you not miss someone that loving and it not affect you?
So very true...
epmoodyblue
12-09-2009, 02:46 PM
:hmm:i dont like elaborate explanations:lol:...for me no glady's would of made no difference..i mean elvis dad knew he couldint stop it http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif
epmoodyblue
12-09-2009, 02:49 PM
and whats wrong with u people.why are old threads resurected brought into the mix with the new threadshttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/icon_sad.gifcome on lets keep it fresh:blink:..fresh new threads please(y)this is an old thread http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif :doh:
and whats wrong with u people.why are old threads resurected brought into the mix with the new threadshttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/icon_sad.gifcome on lets keep it fresh:blink:..fresh new threads please(y)this is an old thread http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif :doh:
This thread is a poll thread-so when someone votes in the poll the thread comes back to the top. The last post on this before your own posts was March of 2009.
epmoodyblue
12-09-2009, 03:22 PM
This thread is a poll thread-so when someone votes in the poll the thread comes back to the top. The last post on this before your own posts was March of 2009.ahh i see ..well that explains everything:lol:(y) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif elvis needed to help himself..that was the only way to go to solve the probs..it didint happen:doh:
ahh i see ..well that explains everything:lol:(y) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif elvis needed to help himself..that was the only way to go to solve the probs..it didint happen:doh:
Well no man is an island-which I have said many times before.
Sweet_One_E.
12-09-2009, 05:44 PM
he had to want to do it himself, but she would have made a very good support system
Yes, I think yes. Elvis had most love for him mother and respected soo much opinions of him. To me, everything would have been different.
debtdbruno
12-11-2009, 11:08 AM
He knew Gladys was the only person to give him love unconditionally.............
However, he was a Man..........and he probably wouldn't have been told what to do, or how to do it. He would have done it his own way.....
:lol:He was a man:lol: Good point Deb.
However, I don't care what anyone says, you give up your addiction when you are ready to. Maybe if elvis had lived a little longer, he would have. Who knows. :'(
:lol:He was a man:lol: Good point Deb.
However, I don't care what anyone says, you give up your addiction when you are ready to. Maybe if elvis had lived a little longer, he would have. Who knows. :'(
"Sometimes" it takes a lot of help from people you respect and love............to realise- that you are addicted, that you are not in control, that you are hurting others with your problem-then you realise you are ready.
I know this from experience and that has been my contribution to this type thread for the entire time I have been a member.
Each individual is different-so not all solutions are going to be the same.....how could they be????
Some people are of huge mental and physical strength and one day "on their own" they realise-the time is not to clean up and to get healthy.
Others need more help, guidance and understanding to push, prod, and love them into the correct thinking.
Agree, everyone is different. Absolutely right. What works for one person will not work for another.
I know from experience too and there are certain things that can trigger it off - giving up i mean - and what works for one person wouldnt make any difference to another,
Lisarose
12-13-2009, 08:39 PM
He might have changed for a short while, but then probably would have gone back to being Elvis - in other words, doing what he danmed well felt like!
Besides Gladys didn't have a lot of good healthy habits either - it was just the way people did things then, eating greasy foods, smoking and such that is,.
debtdbruno
12-14-2009, 01:37 AM
:lol:He was a man:lol: Good point Deb.
However, I don't care what anyone says, you give up your addiction when you are ready to. Maybe if elvis had lived a little longer, he would have. Who knows. :'(
I thought I'd put that point in for good measure May, just in case someone missed it...:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
As I've said before.......if he couldn't/wouldn't do it for Lisa...........he never would unfortunately:'(:'(:'(:'(
He might have changed for a short while, but then probably would have gone back to being Elvis - in other words, doing what he danmed well felt like!
Besides Gladys didn't have a lot of good healthy habits either - it was just the way people did things then, eating greasy foods, smoking and such that is,.
Plus a bit of a drink problem, from all Ive read. (n)
Well one point that seems lost is Elvis would have been a different person if his mom had lived beyond 1958-she would have gone to Germany, he would have returned to Graceland with her-not the memory of her, all the uncountable number of things which happened after she died (big and small) would have been altered to an extent......................so his life would have been altered. How much and to what purpose is the question.
If you think in philosophical terms-some believe a single snowflake can change history............
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