Upstairs at Graceland revealed...

[franny]

This was on EIN...
I'm kinda curious to read this story...

franny


On August 16 the Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet will publish a feature-story on what happened on August 16 at Graceland. The story features a large cut-away-graphic of Elvis' bedroom and bathroom, so you will be able to see what it looks like in there.

This is the first time you will be able to see a vizualisation of both rooms, and it was done from half a year of research. The graphic is NOT based on fake floorplans and fake pictures. It was done from intense research and from rare videoclips of Graceland. The grahic is in danish, but you will be able to achive a translation.

You can see a preview of the graphic here, but if you want to see the rooms inside, you will have to wait for the graphic to be published on Ekstra Bladets website on august 16. You will be able to pay on demand. Visit: www.eb.dk (News, Source: Martin Kirchg?ssner)
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/graceland_secondfloor_med.jpg

[Dave TCB]

"You will be able to pay on demand"

The greed for money strikes again (n)(n)(n)

[JDD]

Me too Franny , but I'm not going to pay them for it.

[Diane]

Yes, here we go again!(n)

Diane

[presley]

Its a shame when everything is money, money.

[CRITTERGITTER]

Is there no end to who will try to suck the money from us? Now it's a newsperson who's done a graphic. I realize it took time to do BUT GIVE ME A BREAK!

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody.

I worked on this graphic for half a year including an article abort the last 24 hours of Elvis life. During my work i found a lot of misunderstanding about the layout of the rooms on 2. floor. All the floorplans i?ve seen on the web are wrong, some more or less. I collected a lot of information on the web, including filmclips from This Is Elvis. A lot of visitors in Graceland dont know where the bed-and bathroom are situated in the building. Now they know. I hope you will enjoy my work. The large graphic will show a lot of details from the rooms. To see the graphic see this direct link:

http://web.ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/Kongens-kollaps-til-web.jpg

Best regards

Martin Kirchg?ssner, visual journalist

[KPM]

Its not something I've worried about one way or another. I've seen a few pictures of Elvis's bedroom before- IMO how the bathroom connects to it is really not a major thing to me anyway.

[JDD]

I would rather have seen it, quite frankly without the people in it. That said
if its your work you did a nice job IMO. Thanks for the link . Unlike some of
the others I actually have been curious. As someone who's built several houses I
never could quite understand the angle of the walls and door way etc in some
of the rooms.

Seems to me though there was a desk and TV/Security monitor in some of the photos I've seen before near the door in the bedroom where he could see who was coming up to the room . One thing I find weird from all the versions of floor plans I've ever seen, and from being there I've never seen a Bathtub in the house on the top floor and there isn't one on the ground or basement in the parts they let you tour . I'd love to someday see a accurate floor plan that included the ground floor and wings .






Dear everybody.

I worked on this graphic for half a year including an article abort the last 24 hours of Elvis life. During my work i found a lot of misunderstanding about the layout of the rooms on 2. floor. All the floorplans i’ve seen on the web are wrong, some more or less. I collected a lot of information on the web, including filmclips from This Is Elvis. A lot of visitors in Graceland dont know where the bed-and bathroom are situated in the building. Now they know. I hope you will enjoy my work. The large graphic will show a lot of details from the rooms. To see the graphic see this direct link:

http://web.ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/Kongens-kollaps-til-web.jpg

Best regards

Martin Kirchg?ssner, visual journalist

[thehillbillycat]

A lot of visitors in Graceland dont know where the bed-and bathroom are situated in the building. Now they know.

Well, they also knew during this week's Larry King Live show. He was live at Graceland. Towards the end of the show Larry and Priscilla talked about the bedroom and bathroom. They was in front of the stairs leading to the 2nd floor. Larry pointed upwards and asked that is where the bathroom is? and Priscilla said yes.

[thefunkyangel]

Larry ONLY pointed up on a 45 degree angle - up to Presley' bedroom! IF he was pointing towards the bathroom he would of vertically pointed his finger directly above! I too, have studied the layout over the years and I can tell you, I am not charging like that ********** is! Anybody wants to know about layouts, then contact me!

[The King's Queen]

Dear everybody.

I worked on this graphic for half a year including an article abort the last 24 hours of Elvis life. During my work i found a lot of misunderstanding about the layout of the rooms on 2. floor. All the floorplans i?ve seen on the web are wrong, some more or less. I collected a lot of information on the web, including filmclips from This Is Elvis. A lot of visitors in Graceland dont know where the bed-and bathroom are situated in the building. Now they know. I hope you will enjoy my work. The large graphic will show a lot of details from the rooms. To see the graphic see this direct link:

http://web.ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/Kongens-kollaps-til-web.jpg

Best regards

Martin Kirchg?ssner, visual journalist

Interesting...thanks! (y)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. About the tv-monitors: I know about the tv's near the entrance, but I think it was earlier than 1977. About the floorplans. If you want to know see the exact layout of the rooms, see my graphic. This is how it is layouted. Anyway, you can see it yourself in the original version of This Is Elvis. There you actually see, that there is no door to the attic at the end of the hallway, wich all the fake-floorplans on the web show. There is only a split with a door to Lisa Maris's room to the right and one to the dressing room the left. Best regards, Martin Kirchg?ssner

[riley]

does their exist graphic of the other rooms, the things we don't see in the picture (under the roof)
Would love to see the other rooms in graphic.

[Diane]

I've never seen a floor plan for the first floor of Graceland not the basement. Does anyone know where they can be found as well?

Diane

[Lonniebealestreet]

Thank you for sharing the graphic with us, Martin. Very interesting, to say the least.

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody

I havent seen any floorplans of the basement, and I guess its because its there arent any official architectural drawings available on the web. Anyway, we all know how 1. floor looks. This plan is the most reliable when it comes to measures and details:

Best regards

Martin

[senadw124]

It says that Elvis was sitting on his leather chair, when he got a heartattack, and crawled about one meter, and threw up just in front of the toilet. Why haven't I heard of that before, and was he in that position as showed on the picture? :hmm:

[GirlHappy19]

Pay?Why?(n)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody:

I have researched a lot on weather Elvis was actually sitting on the toilet when having a stroke or whether he did not. Its hard to get verified witnesses telling what they saw, because the only people who where there when he still was in the bathroom, were Ginger Alden, Joe Esposito and Al Strada and later the rescue-workers. And they are telling different versions.

Ginger tells in several interviews, that she thougt, that Elvis had stumbled forward from his chair and hit his head, and that she found him a kneeling position, like he was proposing. (Elvis actually proposed to Ginger in the bathroom). In the book 'Elvis & The Memphis Mafia' Billy Smith claims, that Elvis actually died on the toilet and fell forward, but at the same time Lamar Fike says that the body was found to far away from the toilet, and that he was reading when having a stroke. Other reports says, that the reason why his pants was down, was that he stood up in front of the toilet and pulled down his pants, getting ready to go on the seat.

Peter Guralnick quotes the investigators of Elvis death, that Elvis apparently was on the seat when he had a serious heart-attack, but there is no evidence of that. The spot form where he apparently had thrown up, doesnt tell us, wether he was on the toilet or not.

Anyway, my believe is, after reading books and hundreds of threats on google news-rooms is the following:

Elvis died while reading in his lounge-chair and fell forward, crawled a bit, threw up and died in a kneeling position in front of the toilet. I believe this to be true, because:

1. Elvis did occasionally read in the bathroom, when he couldnt sleep. And besides that, he had a lot of his medicine/drugs there.

2. Elvis suffered from serious constipation and also the last day of his life. When he sat and read in his chair, he was hit by corrosin of his constipatoin. He managed to stand up, get his pants down and was then hit by a critical heart attack.

3. That explains, why he didnt reach the intercom that was situated besides the toilet.

All in all, I belive this to be what happened. But this is only my theory, based on several books and interviews.

Best regards

Martin Kirchg?ssner, graphics artist

[Elvistcbkirch]

I want to clear up some mistakes about the information about the so-called payment for the graphic:

You dont have to pay for the graphic. It is published here on the forum, and you can mail me for an even better version. But if you wanted to download it from Ekstra Bladet last week on august 16, you had to pay for getting the whole newspaper in PDF-format. It would have cost you approximately 1 dollar. Now that is has been printed and published on the web, I have the copyrights for the graphic. And I am not demanding any money for it. I want to share it with you.You can publish it on any website, just remember to note my name as graphic artist. Best regards. Martin Kirchg?ssner

[HOLYSMOKE]

Hi Martin,
You did a wonderful job! Its really scary to see Elvis lying on the bathroom floor, especially after reading the book ?Death Of Elvis? by Charles Thompson.

[MIElvis]

I appreciate your fine work, and thanks for posting it.

[Diane]

Martin, thank you for explaining about the cost. I apologize for my abrupt earlier post. You did a great job! (y)

Diane

[Erhan]

http://web.ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/Kongens-kollaps-til-web.jpg

[Diane]

Thank you Elvistcbkirch for the plan on the layout of the first floor in Graceland.
(y)

Diane

[JDD]

Dear everybody

I havent seen any floorplans of the basement, and I guess its because its there arent any official architectural drawings available on the web. Anyway, we all know how 1. floor looks. This plan is the most reliable when it comes to measures and details:

Best regards

Martin


Alright! Thanks for posting that I've wanted to see that for a long time and never had any luck getting my hands on it.

[riley]

Is this more or less the exact place elvis was found???

I have a very old drawing from a 1977 magazine which is also highly detailed on how Elvis was found in his bathroom, only the position he was found in differs a lot with this one.

[Mad_Scatter]

Martin, thank you so much for your wonderful work on this graphic, and for your generosity in sharing it with us!!

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Riley

I guess that the drawing you are talking about is this one:
Best regards

Martin

[ksimms2]

Dear Riley

I guess that the drawing you are talking about is this one:
Best regards

Martin

oh my...seeing it up close like this...how sad.....poor Elvis....:'(

[ksimms2]

according to Joe Esposito he fell off the toilet onto the floor...where is the toilet in this pic? Or even in the larger pic that shows the whole floor? Man...seeing that one up close from Martin....so, so sad.....it's so real looking.

[ksimms2]

YES! I just graduated to "backstage pass" lookout folks - I'm moving up the ladder! :)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. The old drawing from 1977 is based on Jeanny Lemay's famous photo of Elvis's bathroom, and at that time, it was probably the only material to draw from. But there are severeal critical errors in the visualization.

1. Ginger did not enter the bathroom, in the way she does in the old drawing. There was no door or entry there. Confused? Look at my graphic, and see what is correct.

2. Elvis had not taken of his pyjamas, when he died.

3. The bathroom is very narrow, as you can see in my graphic. In the old drawing is much too wide.

The toilet: You can see, where it is situated in my grahic: Just left to the entry from the bedroom.

Best regards

Martin

[ksimms2]

Martin, that does make sense....poor man....so sad... :(

[ksimms2]

Martin, wish there was a way to view it closer on your graphic.....that particular section.

[Elvistcbkirch]

Ksimms: Look in the forum earlier this week. There is a larger version where it is clear, where the toilet is.

Martin

[KPM]

If I am seeing this correctly it appears he is nearer the chairs than the toilet.
I have read he crawled a short distance because there were carpet fibers in the back of his throat- sadly he probably did not die instantly but in a matter of minutes.

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear KPM: Please keep in mind, that the bathroom itself is not very large. It is narrow, so Elvis probably just crawled one meter or so before he sunk forwark in a kneeling position between the chair and the toilet. In my best believe, he died in fornt of the toilet, not on it. Best regards, Martin.

[KPM]

Dear KPM: Please keep in mind, that the bathroom itself is not very large. It is narrow, so Elvis probably just crawled one meter or so before he sunk forwark in a kneeling position between the chair and the toilet. In my best believe, he died in fornt of the toilet, not on it. Best regards, Martin.
I read that about the fibers at the back of the throat and on his tongue in a book called "Elvis UP Close" They were found during the autopsy according to a quote from Dr. Nick who said pretty much what you just did. He said it was a sudden violent attack and Elvis bit down hard onto his tongue lurched forward and crawled a few feet probably dying in a matter of minutes. Sad.

[Miss Clawdy]

Thank you Martin for sharing your graphic and information, at the first moment it took my breath away to see it from close up....so sad.....

[ksimms2]

I read that about the fibers at the back of the throat and on his tongue in a book called "Elvis UP Close" They were found during the autopsy according to a quote from Dr. Nick who said pretty much what you just did. He said it was a sudden violent attack and Elvis bit down hard onto his tongue lurched forward and crawled a few feet probably dying in a matter of minutes. Sad.

Is Elvis Up Close the new book by Joe Esposito? I ordered his new book and have yet to receive it - starting to get angry now....has anyone read the new one? I can't remember the darn name, sorry.

[KPM]

Is Elvis Up Close the new book by Joe Esposito? I ordered his new book and have yet to receive it - starting to get angry now....has anyone read the new one? I can't remember the darn name, sorry.
No, this book came out in 94. Its got comments from about 100 people who knew Elvis in his life-some all the way back to Tupelo. Great book with a lot of interesting details and storys. One of my kids got it at a flea market a while back.

[Suzan]

I have floorplans of Graceland, basement included, :)
This floorplan varies slightly...and from descriptions I've gotten of the upstairs this isn't exact. Thank you for posting though you did a MARVELOUS job on that graphic.:):D

I hear a diff. acct. from Dr. Nick who said that Elvis died a painful death, it wasn't instanteneous....and that he'd also thrown up, but this is a sad and not such great topic.:(

[Wendy56]

Interesting theory Martin Kirchg?ssner. Tough I'm more interesting in Elvis' life. I believe he gave so many things to people around the world and we should think on it. There're more important moments in his life than his dead...

[Diane]

Yup, I'm in agreement with you there Wendy.

Diane

[Suzan]

Very true that, Wendy...I think Dr. Nick and pals who disclosed those final moments, well not necessary, it was sensationalistic and not somethng his family needed out there, in my opinion anyway.:)

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

Is Elvis Up Close the new book by Joe Esposito? I ordered his new book and have yet to receive it - starting to get angry now....has anyone read the new one? I can't remember the darn name, sorry.
Had it happen to me. Apparantly they don't print until they get enough money for pre orders, saying the whole time" They're running out, get yours while there's some left!"
Drove me crazy too.

[ksimms2]

Someone sent me this link of supposed actual photo's of upstairs at Graceland...see what you think:

http://www.linkydinky.com/graceland/

[riley]

these aretaken by Jeanne Lemay Dumas and are indeed real pics of the upstairs in 1974

[ksimms2]

Really? Wow...well the one with Linda in it, I figured that it was real....

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody

I believe Jeanny Lemays pictures to be autentic, but bare in mind that these pictures were taken i 1974, and that the bedroom was redecorated.

If you want to see, how the rooms looked like i 1977, take a look at the re-issue of This Is Elvis. This 2-dvd-edition contains original scenes from the bed-and bathroom. Especially the scene where Elvis is found is thrilling. Elvis bedroom i 1977 looked like a french bordello, as you can see in my graphic. Red carpets, red curtains, smoky mirrors behind the bed and behind the tv-set. Dim light going along a panel in the ceiling etc, etc.

Later i will take a lot of screen-dumps from the movie and post them on this forum. You will be schocked to see, how much you actually can see of the rooms from this scene.

Best regards

Martin Kirchg?ssner

[Diane]

Yes I have the re-released of this is Elvis and you are right Martin, you can see quite a lot of Elvis' private domain upstairs. I have to agree with you on the decor.:). Could be worse though.

Will look forward to seeing the pictures you plan to post..thank you in advance.

Diane

[ksimms2]

Thanks Martin would love to see it - I only have the VHS of "This Is Elvis"

[Elvistcbkirch]

Ksimms2: Actually the thrilling secuence with Elvis dead on the floor in the bathroom was on YouTube monts ago, but then EPE went in action and demanded the clip removed. But I was lucky to take screen-shots in time for use in my research on the story and graphic. To my surprise, the new This Is Elvis-reissue actually includes the thrilling sequence. Go get This Is Elvis. There are also good clips from his last tour, as we saw in Elvis In concert.

Martin

[riley]

I expect mine one of these days.
This is Elvis was a great documentary. Had it on VHS but played it so many times it was totally used.
Now I will have the new and even better DVD to rewatch it again over and over(y)

[ksimms2]

I will absolutely get the rereleased version on DVD....thank you for letting me know. When I first started watching the VHS I have - I didn't realize what it was and thought to myself - "man this is cheesy"....but I realized what it was finally.....I hope the DVD is better.

[Gary1]

The first picture (of the bedroom and bathroom )were interesting to see but the second one is one of the most distastefull things i've ever seen was there really a need to show it?

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Gary. To some point, I agree with you, that the drawing from the bathroom is tasteless, but not because it shows Elvis lying dead on the floor, cause that is what basically happened, but because it is based on one picture and a lot of imagination. To me it shows a glamourous picture of Elvis looking much younger than he looked in 1977 and a bathroom that is wrong in is layout. In my reserach, I used my eyes on the clips from This Is Elvis, pictures from second floor, several books and hundreds of threats on the web. To me Elvis suffered a very un-glamorous death. He was a very hard drug-addict. People who are interested in the life of Elvis Presley, needs to know this. Anything else is an illusion. Best regards, Martin

[ksimms2]

Dear Gary. To some point, I agree with you, that the drawing from the bathroom is tasteless, but not because it shows Elvis lying dead on the floor, cause that is what basically happened, but because it is based on one picture and a lot of imagination. To me it shows a glamourous picture of Elvis looking much younger than he looked in 1977 and a bathroom that is wrong in is layout. In my reserach, I used my eyes on the clips from This Is Elvis, pictures from second floor, several books and hundreds of threats on the web. To me Elvis suffered a very un-glamorous death. He was a very hard drug-addict. People who are interested in the life of Elvis Presley, needs to know this. Anything else is an illusion. Best regards, Martin

It did make Elvis look muscular, sexy actually....which gave me the chills....:cold:

[4THEHEART]

Martin, drug -addict is a very general and simple description of his health condition, even wrong..addictions depends on many different reason and this was a very shallow expression about the man's life and dead..you may be interested in his last moments,his death for a reason,but we don't even know if it was a natural death or was there a criminal plot..we can't be sure of nothing..while the situation like this, I find it so wrong to put a last line so easily as you did,to tell about the ending of such a huge life..

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Cadillac King: Elvis was not a drug-addict in terms we usually know, i agree. But he was a junkie. He just got his drugs on prescriptions. Sometimes he let others inject him, and sometimes he used his celebrity-status to force doctors to let him have access to their medicin-drawyers. If you read 'Elvis & The Memphis' with Lamar Fike, Billy Smith and Mart? Lacker, you wil l realise, that Elvis was lucky to reach 42. And I'm not telling this to disgrace his reputation. Its just a fact. Best regards

[4THEHEART]

Now that's even worse you're using the word "Junkie"..and please don't tell me to count on any word from Fike and those others..I'm sure if they had Elvis's diseases and had to go on performing as he did,I'm sure they would've swallow the whole medicine factory not just one or 15 pills..I wonder why people like to get a degree on his drug using but never try to understand what kind of ailments he had ..I guess,this is not an interesting or a popular subject, so it's easy to picture him as a spoiled,bored, junkie..No!not for me,not that simple..

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

Now that's even worse you're using the word "Junkie"..and please don't tell me to count on any word from Fike and those others..I'm sure if they had Elvis's diseases and had to go on performing as he did,I'm sure they would've swallow the whole medicine factory not just one or 15 pills..I wonder why people like to get a degree on his drug using but never try to understand what kind of ailments he had ..I guess,this is not an interesting or a popular subject, so it's easy to picture him as a spoiled,bored, junkie..No!not for me,not that simple..

I agree, He had a whole plethora of ailments doctors were overprescribing for.Then, after taking all those he developed more conditions from that that he had to take medications for. If you read a list of certified ailments that he was suffering for he had to be uncomfortable and in moderate to severe pain pretty much all the time. I have a serious back condition that I have to take three pills a day for and sometimes I can hardly get up in the morning. The first thing that has worked for me but the side effects suck. I could always just wake right up in the morning. I can't imagine what he was going through. I'm tired of people judging instead of "Walking a mile...". Please don't judge unless you live it, walk it and deal with it yourself. For 25 years I have had to deal with some crazy nerve damage back problems that has created a lot of other bad stuff. That's just one thing. When you have a host of doctors vying for the payroll and status of "Elvis' personal doctor" there can be no way out unless someone takes the reins for you. Not like Elvis had anyone that he would let do that, nor anyone probably capable or wanted to. None of them wanted to be cut from the gravy train either. I seriously feel sorry for the guy.

[Suzan]

Well said 4theheart and menwithbrokenhearts.:D(y)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Cadillac King: There were many causes, why Elvis ended up as a hard addict, some are self-caused, some by people who did'nt understand him or was unloyal to him. All in all, he was knowing what he was doing, he just couldnt help getting out of it. 30 years after his death, its not a secret anymore. You can read it in Peter Guralnincks 'Elvis:Careless Love', you can hear it from other mafia-members in the movie 'Elvis: The Last 24 hours' you can hear it from Sonny West and Dave Hebler in the press-conference when they published 'Elvis What Happened?' And Dr. Nick knew it. In the mid-seventies he started to get more and more concerned about the state Elvis health was in and said: 'He's (Elvis) not an addict anymore, he's a hard addict'. Sad, but true. Best regards, Martin

[polksaladhasie]

Hi, just found this topic, and it?s very very interesting,

thank you Martin for bringing light into my darkness (y)(y)

[Diane]

No I'm sorry Martin, I don't see Elvis' addiction as cut and dried as you do. My feelings agree with MenWithBrokenHearts all the way on this subject.

Diane

[The King's Queen]

No I'm sorry Martin, I don't see Elvis' addiction as cut and dried as you do. My feelings agree with MenWithBrokenHearts all the way on this subject.

DianeIn total agreement! (y)

[ksimms2]

I think the saddest thing is - we'll never know 100% truth will we? There is speculation from all angles and we don't know who to 100% believe because everyone is making money from his death by writing all these books, etc. So everyone has their own opinion of the truth....when actually....we'll never know.

God love him either way, right?

[Dovey]

I agree, He had a whole plethora of ailments doctors were overprescribing for.Then, after taking all those he developed more conditions from that that he had to take medications for. If you read a list of certified ailments that he was suffering for he had to be uncomfortable and in moderate to severe pain pretty much all the time. I have a serious back condition that I have to take three pills a day for and sometimes I can hardly get up in the morning. The first thing that has worked for me but the side effects suck. I could always just wake right up in the morning. I can't imagine what he was going through. I'm tired of people judging instead of "Walking a mile...". Please don't judge unless you live it, walk it and deal with it yourself. For 25 years I have had to deal with some crazy nerve damage back problems that has created a lot of other bad stuff. That's just one thing. When you have a host of doctors vying for the payroll and status of "Elvis' personal doctor" there can be no way out unless someone takes the reins for you. Not like Elvis had anyone that he would let do that, nor anyone probably capable or wanted to. None of them wanted to be cut from the gravy train either. I seriously feel sorry for the guy.

(y)(y)Wow, do I ever agree with you 100% Menwithbrokenhearts. I too take meds for back pain and totally hate it but without them..the pain makes life pretty unbearable. All meds we take have an adverse effect on our body so unless a person has been there.. perhaps they had no idea what it is like. "Walk A Mile in My Shoes" has always been a real favorite song of mine because if others had to walk in those shoes.. they would see life so very differently. Your post hits the nail on the head!! Bless You always, Dovey.

[ksimms2]

My husband has had quite a few back surgeries and is now 100% disabled (not wheel chair bound or anything) but is on disability, etc. and his doctor has him on several meds and I have to say...he is addicted to them. Morphine pills for pain, soma's for muscle relaxers.....he can't function with out them. Now, he does need them for his medical problems - BUT - he is addicted to them also. I've tried talking to his doctor about it and she just keeps prescribing, sometimes I think he will wind up just like Elvis and other friends of ours who died from it building up in their system and then they don't wake up....

Just my 2 cents worth on the subject of addiction.

[4THEHEART]

I'm not wishing anyone any kind of illness but I see it's the only way to understand other people who have ailments.Having a migrain, insomnia and mysterious(so called docs said) bone aches, is enough to make me think what I could've done, if I had to perform and live in front of people as he had to.. And it was 70's, people were prescribed with tons of heavy drugs even for less serious problems than his..now we think we know better and there are alternatives..but in 50 years time,the medication and the treatments we use today will be banned probably..

[Diane]

There you go....as with ksimms2's husband this is a common occurance today as doctors don't seem to be able to diagnose illnesses like they used to and dole out prescriptions like candy, and a lot of them get kick-backs from the pharmaceuticals which I think is unethical to the hilt! My doctor even asks me if I think I have a cold or is it a sinus infection? Shouldn't she know the difference? But...I always get my meds! In my whole lifetime we've only had one doctor that was careful and took the time to assess what was really wrong and treat us accordingly...boy do we miss him!

They are thousands, probably a lot more people that are addicted out there and it's all due to their doctors who don't take the time to adjust dosages, change to another or don't care. And Elvis, poor Elvis certainly had the means to indulge their whims.

Diane

[ksimms2]

There you go....as with ksimms2's husband this is a common occurance today as doctors don't seem to be able to diagnose illnesses like they used to and dole out prescriptions like candy, and a lot of them get kick-backs from the pharmaceuticals which I think is unethical to the hilt! My doctor even asks me if I think I have a cold or is it a sinus infection? Shouldn't she know the difference? But...I always get my meds! In my whole lifetime we've only had one doctor that was careful and took the time to assess what was really wrong and treat us accordingly...boy do we miss him!

They are thousands, probably a lot more people that are addicted out there and it's all due to their doctors who don't take the time to adjust dosages, change to another or don't care. And Elvis, poor Elvis certainly had the means to indulge their whims.

Diane


Oh yes, if we can get meds "like that" (insert snap here) can you imagine what Elvis was able to get being the person he was? Hell, all he'd have to do is ask me and I'd give him whatever he wanted....okay....not sure I'd give him more pills but who the heck knows what you'd do in that situation? Someone said the "gravy train" and they are right....most wanted part of it.....:'(

[KPM]

Dear Cadillac King: There were many causes, why Elvis ended up as a hard addict, some are self-caused, some by people who did'nt understand him or was unloyal to him. All in all, he was knowing what he was doing, he just couldnt help getting out of it. 30 years after his death, its not a secret anymore. You can read it in Peter Guralnincks 'Elvis:Careless Love', you can hear it from other mafia-members in the movie 'Elvis: The Last 24 hours' you can hear it from Sonny West and Dave Hebler in the press-conference when they published 'Elvis What Happened?' And Dr. Nick knew it. In the mid-seventies he started to get more and more concerned about the state Elvis health was in and said: 'He's (Elvis) not an addict anymore, he's a hard addict'. Sad, but true. Best regards, Martin
My opinion is he had a predilection to substance abuse which was probably inherited -as both sides of his family had alcohol and other substance problems. IMO You can't control what you inherit (although because its an invisible thing people tend to not believe it or to discount it). He inherited a congenital colon problem that a doctor commented on in the book "Elvis Up Close" he said it got worse as he aged and more painful. Even without his medication abuse he would have had pain from the colon as he aged. He had arthritis of he neck and spine according to Dr. Nick. He wanted to try all the current fad treatments because he believed there was a treatment or pill for everything.(regardless of how wacky they sounded -widely acknowledged by many insiders) He read about vitamin B-12 shots and insisted on B-12 shots before every performance according to Dr. Nick. On nights where Elvis felt his sinuses were a little clogged, Nick would add an antihistamine or decongestant-but Nick says he knows the MM thought he was giving Elvis a narcotic of some kind. IMO theres so much more to his health problems that are not believed because it does not fit the story some want to accept. Elvis did have a substance abuse problem but IMO its not so cut and dry as some want to make it sound.
I read that one of the last times Red and Sonny West were with the writer Steve Dunleavy was on a morning show after "Elvis- What Happened" came out. Supposedly Dunleavy called Elvis a "Junkie" in the interivew and Red and Sonny would not appear with him again because they had never ever called him that and did not like it. I can not recall where I read that. But its interesting if its true.

[Donut]

Some captions from "This is Elvis" scenes filmed at the first floor.

[Getlo]

but we don't even know if it was a natural death or was there a criminal plot..we can't be sure of nothing..

Yes, we can.

There was no "criminal plot", no faking of his death, nothing like that!

The only thing criminal about the death was that so many drugs were allowed to get through to Elvis over so many years.

Elvis, sadly, died a lonely and undiginified death, which should not tarnish how he lived the rest of his life.

[Tony Trout]

Dear Cadillac King: Elvis was not a drug-addict in terms we usually know, i agree. But he was a junkie. He just got his drugs on prescriptions. Sometimes he let others inject him, and sometimes he used his celebrity-status to force doctors to let him have access to their medicine-drawers. If you read 'Elvis & The Memphis' with Lamar Fike, Billy Smith and Mart? Lacker, you will l realize, that Elvis was lucky to reach 42. And I'm not telling this to disgrace his reputation. Its just a fact. Best regards

You're right on the $$$ here. Elvis made a distinction between himself and a "junkie"...a "junkie" mainlines but Elvis thought it was ok because he always had someone else give him the drugs--but he was still an addict either way you look at it. But Elvis thought the drugs he took were ok because they were prescription but as the 1970s wore on Elvis did, in fact, get into harder medications like Dilaudid (synthetic morphine), liquid cocaine, and especially "downers" or sedatives and uppers and Demerol...nobody needs that kind of stuff except advanced cancer patients (and please don't get me started on that--Elvis did not have cancer).

We also have to remember that Dr. Nick also was accused of over-prescribing drugs to another famous patient of his, Jerry Lee Lewis.


I agree, He had a whole plethora of ailments doctors were overprescribing for. Then, after taking all those he developed more conditions from that that he had to take medications for. If you read a list of certified ailments that he was suffering for he had to be uncomfortable and in moderate to severe pain pretty much all the time. I have a serious back condition that I have to take three pills a day for and sometimes I can hardly get up in the morning. The first thing that has worked for me but the side effects suck. I could always just wake right up in the morning. I can't imagine what he was going through. I'm tired of people judging instead of "Walking a mile...". Please don't judge unless you live it, walk it and deal with it yourself. For 25 years I have had to deal with some crazy nerve damage back problems that has created a lot of other bad stuff. That's just one thing. When you have a host of doctors vying for the payroll and status of "Elvis' personal doctor" there can be no way out unless someone takes the reins for you. Not like Elvis had anyone that he would let do that, nor anyone probably capable or wanted to. None of them wanted to be cut from the gravy train either. I seriously feel sorry for the guy.


Dear Cadillac King: There were many causes, why Elvis ended up as a hard addict, some are self-caused, some by people who did'nt understand him or was unloyal to him. All in all, he was knowing what he was doing, he just couldnt help getting out of it. 30 years after his death, its not a secret anymore. You can read it in Peter Guralninck's 'Elvis:Careless Love', you can hear it from other mafia-members in the movie 'Elvis: The Last 24 hours' you can hear it from Sonny West and Dave Hebler in the press-conference when they published 'Elvis What Happened?' And Dr. Nick knew it. In the mid-seventies he started to get more and more concerned about the state Elvis health was in and said: 'He's (Elvis) not a medical addict anymore, I think he's a hard addict'. Sad, but true. Best regards, Martin

Again, you're right on the money (and I corrected your quote by Dr. Nick which is, in fact, found in the book, "Elvis Aaron Presley-Relevations From The Memphis Mafia"...by 1972-1973 Elvis had become severely addicted to what he was taking...and it eventually wound up costing him his life.


No I'm sorry Martin, I don't see Elvis' addiction as cut and dried as you do. My feelings agree with MenWithBrokenHearts all the way on this subject.

Diane


No offense, but you need to remove your rose-colored glasses. Elvis wasn't perfect.


My opinion is he had a predilection to substance abuse which was probably inherited -as both sides of his family had alcohol and other substance problems. IMO You can't control what you inherit (although because its an invisible thing people tend to not believe it or to discount it). He inherited a congenital colon problem that a doctor commented on in the book "Elvis Up Close" he said it got worse as he aged and more painful. Even without his medication abuse he would have had pain from the colon as he aged. He had arthritis of he neck and spine according to Dr. Nick. He wanted to try all the current fad treatments because he believed there was a treatment or pill for everything.(regardless of how wacky they sounded -widely acknowledged by many insiders) He read about vitamin B-12 shots and insisted on B-12 shots before every performance according to Dr. Nick. On nights where Elvis felt his sinuses were a little clogged, Nick would add an antihistamine or decongestant-but Nick says he knows the MM thought he was giving Elvis a narcotic of some kind. IMO theres so much more to his health problems that are not believed because it does not fit the story some want to accept. Elvis did have a substance abuse problem but IMO its not so cut and dry as some want to make it sound.
I read that one of the last times Red and Sonny West were with the writer Steve Dunleavy was on a morning show after "Elvis- What Happened" came out. Supposedly Dunleavy called Elvis a "Junkie" in the interview and Red and Sonny would not appear with him again because they had never ever called him that and did not like it. I can not recall where I read that. But its interesting if its true.

This is true...especially the part about the B-12 shots. Right before the "Aloha" show, Elvis had asked James Caughley to inject him with B-12 mixed with amphetamines before going onstage.



Yes, we can.

There was no "criminal plot", no faking of his death, nothing like that!

The only thing criminal about the death was that so many drugs were allowed to get through to Elvis over so many years.

And the sad fact is that they tried detoxing Elvis several times in the 1970s...but it always failed because he would go right back on the stuff after he got out of the hospital. You can't stop a drug addict from taking drugs or an alcoholic from drinking unless he wants to do it himself--and Elvis frankly didn't want to get off the stuff...and it cost him his life in the end.

People need to step back and take Elvis down off of their pedestal that they have him on...he wasn't a saint...he made mistakes (huge ones)...he couldn't walk on water...couldn't raise the dead...it's time we stop denying the facts and take a cold hard look at the reality. Elvis was an addict...plain and simple...

[ksimms2]

Yes, we can.

There was no "criminal plot", no faking of his death, nothing like that!

The only thing criminal about the death was that so many drugs were allowed to get through to Elvis over so many years.

Elvis, sadly, died a lonely and undiginified death, which should not tarnish how he lived the rest of his life.

good point and well said....especially the last part - it should not tarnish how he lived the rest of life and how wonderful an entertainer he was/is....

[Diane]

Tony, all I was saying is that enablers are part of an addicts' problem and share the guilt and consequences. Elvis certainly had a lot of them around. If that's wearing rose coloured glasses then I'm wearing a mighty big pair.

Diane

[KPM]

You're right on the $$$ here. Elvis made a distinction between himself and a "junkie"...a "junkie" mainlines but Elvis thought it was ok because he always had someone else give him the drugs--but he was still an addict either way you look at it. But Elvis thought the drugs he took were ok because they were prescription but as the 1970s wore on Elvis did, in fact, get into harder medications like Dilaudid (synthetic morphine), liquid cocaine, and especially "downers" or sedatives and uppers and Demerol...nobody needs that kind of stuff except advanced cancer patients (and please don't get me started on that--Elvis did not have cancer).

We also have to remember that Dr. Nick also was accused of over-prescribing drugs to another famous patient of his, Jerry Lee Lewis.





Again, you're right on the money (and I corrected your quote by Dr. Nick which is, in fact, found in the book, "Elvis Aaron Presley-Relevations From The Memphis Mafia"...by 1972-1973 Elvis had become severely addicted to what he was taking...and it eventually wound up costing him his life.




No offense, but you need to remove your rose-colored glasses. Elvis wasn't perfect.



This is true...especially the part about the B-12 shots. Right before the "Aloha" show, Elvis had asked James Caughley to inject him with B-12 mixed with amphetamines before going onstage.


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As I said in my original post DR. Nick claims he did not add narcotics to the B-12 shots. As far as the Aloha show claim-never heard it before.
I don't think everyone looks at Elvis with rose colored glasses, but that does not mean we do not seek other possible answers to some of the claims which are made. I have shown other answers to several claims here before, they tend to be ignored by those who just don't want any answer except their accepted one. Thats fine by me its the right of everyone here to decide what answers they accept or discount.
As far as the term "junkie" Right after Elvis died Red and Sonny West and Steve Dunleavy were on Geraldos show or Good MOrning America-can't remember which. They were defending their book-Dunleavy called Elvis a junkie. Both Wests did not like him calling Elvis a junkie-they had never described him in that way to him. If I recall correctly they never appeared with Dunleavy again.
I have said this once before-I have had druggies cousins in my family for a few years. When they got really bad they did not work, they flopped wherever they could. They lost interest in everything but being high. The closest thing they did to work was they stole or begged to get drugs. One sold pot to raise money for his own habit. They did not read books, or watch movies, their weight dropped, they only came around me to try to get a handout. They did not listen to much music let alone make it. Their sole mission was to score the next drug. One of them is no longer with us. The others mom commited him to a rehab after he was caught trying to break into a neighbors home. They were junkies in my book. IMO Others don't see it like that its fine by me. I've stated my opinion (which is backed up by scientific research in many instances concerning inherited traits) that their are reasons people get hooked easily and others don't. If some don't believe it okay-but it is a possiblity in Elvis's case as in anyone else's. Can I prove it-nope. But I'm willing to consider it is a pretty good possiblity.

[The King's Queen]

As I said in my original post DR. Nick claims he did not add narcotics to the B-12 shots. As far as the Aloha show claim-never heard it before.
I don't think everyone looks at Elvis with rose colored glasses, but that does not mean we do not seek other possible answers to some of the claims which are made. I have shown other answers to several claims here before, they tend to be ignored by those who just don't want any answer except their accepted one. Thats fine by me its the right of everyone here to decide what answers they accept or discount.
As far as the term "junkie" Right after Elvis died Red and Sonny West and Steve Dunleavy were on Geraldos show or Good MOrning America-can't remember which. They were defending their book-Dunleavy called Elvis a junkie. Both Wests did not like him calling Elvis a junkie-they had never described him in that way to him. If I recall correctly they never appeared with Dunleavy again.
I have said this once before-I have had druggies cousins in my family for a few years. When they got really bad they did not work, they flopped wherever they could. They lost interest in everything but being high. The closest thing they did to work was they stole or begged to get drugs. One sold pot to raise money for his own habit. They did not read books, or watch movies, their weight dropped, they only came around me to try to get a handout. They did not listen to much music let alone make it. Their sole mission was to score the next drug. One of them is no longer with us. The others mom commited him to a rehab after he was caught trying to break into a neighbors home. They were junkies in my book. IMO Others don't see it like that its fine by me. I've stated my opinion (which is backed up by scientific research in many instances concerning inherited traits) that their are reasons people get hooked easily and others don't. If some don't believe it okay-but it is a possiblity in Elvis's case as in anyone else's. Can I prove it-nope. But I'm willing to consider it is a pretty good possiblity.

I think we all have family members who fall prey to this kind of thing...it's sad, but it happens. I agree with you...


Tony, all I was saying is that enablers are part of an addicts' problem and share the guilt and consequences. Elvis certainly had a lot of them around. If that's wearing rose coloured glasses then I'm wearing a mighty big pair.

Diane

Well Diane...guess mine are pretty big too then, because I think you have it pegged! :clap:

[Merry]

I think we all have family members who fall prey to this kind of thing...it's sad, but it happens. I agree with you...



Well Diane...guess mine are pretty big too then, because I think you have it pegged! :clap:


Well said Diane and Queenie.

(y)

Hugs,
Kimmi

[Erhan]

Dear Cadillac King: Elvis was not a drug-addict in terms we usually know, i agree. But he was a junkie. He just got his drugs on prescriptions. Sometimes he let others inject him, and sometimes he used his celebrity-status to force doctors to let him have access to their medicin-drawyers. If you read 'Elvis & The Memphis' with Lamar Fike, Billy Smith and Mart? Lacker, you wil l realise, that Elvis was lucky to reach 42. And I'm not telling this to disgrace his reputation. Its just a fact. Best regards

I'm agree with you except Junkie term is only for heavy street drugs addiction like heroine.
junkie term is not fit for Elvis's state.

We'll never know if he could not reach the prescriptions drugs he may can be junkie with a little help from stepbrothers!

He was more hard drug-addicted then we knew and also he was sometimes pusher-man.

his big ego keep away him being junkie till his early dead...

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody: Like cadillac King I would like to shear some screenshots from the 'death-scene' from This Is Elvis, because this was very important to me, when I researched my graphic. I have lightened and sharpened the stills in Photoshop and added some labels. And actually some things in the picture came up. Like the jesus-statue beside the bed. Have a look at them. Notice that you see the shelves and ceiling in a mirror in the bedroom. They are pretty interesting. By the way: The white drawers you get a glipse of back behind in the bathroom, is the one wich is on exhibition in Graceland. On top of it, is the porcelain-tiger wich earler stood up on his RCA-television set in the bedroom. Best regards. Martin

[Elvistcbkirch]

Here you can see the tiger. Best regards, Martin

[franny]

Thanks, for posting those pics along with the details, Martin! (y)

franny

[Diane]

Thank you for the great pictures Martin. I'm glad he still had the tiger! :)

Diane

[ksimms2]

Yes Martin, thank you! :)

[jon_burrows]

Is this the tiger you mention Martin? This is currently on display in Graceland.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/GeordieBroon/CIMG1431.jpg

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Jon. Yes, it is. Both the tiger and drawer. You can see the tiger on Jeanny Lemays picture here. Best regards, Martin

[ksimms2]

yes it is, and the dresser too I think.

[ksimms2]

do you guys ever think of the difference in decorating tastes from the 60's & 70's compared to today? I look at his stuff and sometimes chuckle....but if he were alive today I'm sure his taste would have become updated with the times....just like our hairstyles and clothing......god love him.

[Diane]

Yup ksimms2, I agree with you, some of the fashions and decorating styles in the 60's and 70's could be pretty outrageous but then the sterile boring styles of the 50's weren't much better in their way.

I think too that Elvis would have changed his decor as time went on. It would have been fun to see what he would have come up with next. My taste runs with the Victorian era but with much less clutter and a lot more light.....romantic, airy and soft.

Still love that funky Jungle Room though.:)

Diane

[elvismusiccat1]

Greetings Friends: I hope everyone has enjoyed this summer season. It was very , very hot in my part of the world. I can imagine several people nodding their heads in agreement with my observations of the weather. Pass along the cool bottled water. And thankyou to the individual whom first coined the phrase, "air conditioning."

Returning to the topic of our man, Elvis.

I have enjoyed the thread of discussion posted here regarding August 16, 1977 and everything that has been said.

The discussion has opened the flood gates of memories - I celebrated my 14th birthday on June 7, 1977 and of course, that hot and humid August of 1977 I was old enough and can vividly remember reading about Elvis, listening to his music. where does one begin to sort all the information?

I am sure there are many members here that have absorbed so much information about Elvis? How does one separate the "wheat from the chaff" as the old saying implies.

Hmmm. My two-cent offering is this: after all these years, I don't bother to make the slightest effort to understand it all.

I do not have a medical background, I am not an English Literary Professor, singer, dancer, musician - none of those - historian. None of those.

But, somewhere in all the biological makings of this organ I call a heart that 14 year old lingers there, somewhere. I recall sitting in awe on Sunday, October 3, 1977 when CBS aired Elvis final tv special. Yes, I heard and read all the stories about August 16, and all.

I was not placing Elvis on a pedestal. I just tuned into something that Elvis had to offer. In those days, Elvis was another singer, sure a very special singer, whom offered something that I seem to naturally enjoy (like millions did).

Everytime I read an anecdote from a fan, see a picture of Elvis, his famous Graceland Mansion, that 14 year old pays the admission price and takes that journey to that time and place - I don't know exactly why, or what place, but, we all know that feeling when we hear Elvis sing, or watch his video, or enjoy whatever it is.

That's Elvis to me. I don't know why I enjoyed Elvis back in 1977 and I don't know why I do now. I just do and I am grateful that Elvis just did his thing for as long as he did.

I hope you all enjoyed a great summer (and I am willing to bet my 14 year old spirit shared the trip to Memphis with many of you)

Best wishes to all, and thanks for the privilege of sharing my thoughts,

[Diane]

Thank you Elvismusiccat1 for sharing your beautiful memories and thoughts with us.(y)

Diane

[The King's Queen]

Greetings Friends: I hope everyone has enjoyed this summer season. It was very , very hot in my part of the world. I can imagine several people nodding their heads in agreement with my observations of the weather. Pass along the cool bottled water. And thankyou to the individual whom first coined the phrase, "air conditioning."

Returning to the topic of our man, Elvis.

I have enjoyed the thread of discussion posted here regarding August 16, 1977 and everything that has been said.

The discussion has opened the flood gates of memories - I celebrated my 14th birthday on June 7, 1977 and of course, that hot and humid August of 1977 I was old enough and can vividly remember reading about Elvis, listening to his music. where does one begin to sort all the information?

I am sure there are many members here that have absorbed so much information about Elvis? How does one separate the "wheat from the chaff" as the old saying implies.

Hmmm. My two-cent offering is this: after all these years, I don't bother to make the slightest effort to understand it all.

I do not have a medical background, I am not an English Literary Professor, singer, dancer, musician - none of those - historian. None of those.

But, somewhere in all the biological makings of this organ I call a heart that 14 year old lingers there, somewhere. I recall sitting in awe on Sunday, October 3, 1977 when CBS aired Elvis final tv special. Yes, I heard and read all the stories about August 16, and all.

I was not placing Elvis on a pedestal. I just tuned into something that Elvis had to offer. In those days, Elvis was another singer, sure a very special singer, whom offered something that I seem to naturally enjoy (like millions did).

Everytime I read an anecdote from a fan, see a picture of Elvis, his famous Graceland Mansion, that 14 year old pays the admission price and takes that journey to that time and place - I don't know exactly why, or what place, but, we all know that feeling when we hear Elvis sing, or watch his video, or enjoy whatever it is.

That's Elvis to me. I don't know why I enjoyed Elvis back in 1977 and I don't know why I do now. I just do and I am grateful that Elvis just did his thing for as long as he did.

I hope you all enjoyed a great summer (and I am willing to bet my 14 year old spirit shared the trip to Memphis with many of you)

Best wishes to all, and thanks for the privilege of sharing my thoughts,

Lovely statement...thank you!:)

[Merry]

Greetings Friends:

Best wishes to all, and thanks for the privilege of sharing my thoughts,


Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and welcome!

Kim

[ksimms2]

very well put "elvismusiccat1" as I have said before, regardless of how he died, how he lived, etc. I truly love and admire his work and him. So to me, his drug problem, his womanizing, etc. is not what makes him, HIM. Get what I mean? It's the beautiful lyrics he sings and there is only one voice like his.....and it's just amazing. :'(

[Vissie]

I am brand new to this site (it looks wonderful!) and I would like to ask a few questions and offer some comments:

1) Martin, would it be possible to translate the captions from your graphic into English? I am very impressed with your image and would love to read what the little text boxes say.

2) I believe Elvis was actually on the toilet when he suffered his fatal attack. With his history of bowl complications I believe he went in there to relax, read and let nature take its course all the while hoping for the best. The constipation was something he lived with every day during the later years and, as we all know, the body will continuously send nerve impulses that signal us to go to the toilet. He was merely trying to relieve himself and reduce the pressure.

3) I don't think you can deduce that he didn't reach for the intercom next to the toilet because he was in the chair. It is likely that he lost cognitive ability due to the enormous paralyzing pain which caused him to fall forward. He only would have been able to reach for the intercom if the stroke/heart attack was not immediately debilitating (which, it seems, it was).

4) I believe Joe when he said that El's pj bottoms were around his ankles (coincides with sitting on the toilet). However, I think out of respect to his memory, stories have been slightly changed over the years. Perhaps the people most close to him did not want history to reflect that El died on the toilet trying to defecate. Perhaps it's easier to live with history showing him nestled in a comfy chair with a favorite book.

5) In my best believe, he died in front of the toilet, not on it.

Martin, even if El was on the toilet, there is no way he could've actually died on it unless his body slumped against a wall or some other type of brace to support his body weight. To remain upright on a toilet the body uses a magnitude of muscles to maintain balance. In death, this is not possible.

6) Suzan how wonderful that you have floor plans! Would it be possible for me to see them please?

Thank you everyone :)

[Getlo]

Wasn't there a theory that Elvis died crawling to the second intercom at the other end of the bathroom because the one next to the toilet was broken when he attempted to call for help?

[ksimms2]

Wasn't there a theory that Elvis died crawling to the second intercom at the other end of the bathroom because the one next to the toilet was broken when he attempted to call for help?

I've never hear that, only because i'm just now learning stuff....but how sad....I just wonder if he was able to call for help, would he have been able to survive?? :'(

[Getlo]

I've never hear that, only because i'm just now learning stuff....but how sad....I just wonder if he was able to call for help, would he have been able to survive?? :'(

I think it was in the excellent book The Death of Elvis, but I may be wrong ...

[riley]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/143/elvispreslyupstairsflookq7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[riley]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1903/elvishousepr8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Vissie]

Hi Riley, thanks for sharing that ;) I've seen that particular floor plan (but not with the colors you have). I'm hoping Suzan shares her first floor and basement floor plans

[The King's Queen]

Hi Riley, thanks for sharing that ;) I've seen that particular floor plan (but not with the colors you have). I'm hoping Suzan shares her first floor and basement floor plans

Hey Vissie...just wanted to say "WELCOME"! Hope you enjoy the forum....(y)

[Vissie]

Hey Vissie...just wanted to say "WELCOME"! Hope you enjoy the forum....(y)

Thank you so much! It's nice to be here! :D :notworthy

[riley]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9239/elvisupstairsmap7ob4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


That's the other one I have from the upstairs.

Yes Vissie I would like to see the entire floorplans of basement and first floor too.

Hope Suzan will post them

[Vissie]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9239/elvisupstairsmap7ob4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


That's the other one I have from the upstairs.

Yes Vissie I would like to see the entire floorplans of basement and first floor too.

Hope Suzan will post them

I hope so too Riley ~ it would be great to see them (y)

[franny]

Thanks, riley for posting those floor plans! (y)

franny

[riley]

No problem Frannie and Vissie, now we wait to see those of Suzan.(y)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Vissi:

1. It would take some time, but since more people have asked, I will do it next week. I will post the translated graphic here in this topic ,when finished.

2. Elvis could very possible have had his strike, while he was seated on the toilet. I never managed to get this verified, because, like you said, the stories have changed over the years. In 'Elvis & The Memphis Mafia' Billy Smith says Elvis died while defecating, but Lamar Fike says, that he was found too far away from the toilet, and that he had sitten in his chair reading. All in all, what is almost a fact, is, that he had his pants around his ankles (according to Peter Guralnick and others), and now that I have heard peoples reactions, I more and more believe that he was on the seat. Mostly because he wouldnt be able to get up from his reading-chair and pull down his pants. The strike was to hard for that. Anyway, he was found on the floor in a kneeling position with his pants down. That what you can see in my graphic.

5. Martin, even if El was on the toilet, there is no way he could've actually died on it unless his body slumped against a wall or some other type of brace to support his body weight. To remain upright on a toilet the body uses a magnitude of muscles to maintain balance. In death, this is not possible.

You are right about that.

Best regards

Martin

[ksimms2]

Dear Vissi:

1. It would take some time, but since more people have asked, I will do it next week. I will post the translated graphic here in this topic ,when finished.

2. Elvis could very possible have had his strike, while he was seated on the toilet. I never managed to get this verified, because, like you said, the stories have changed over the years. In 'Elvis & The Memphis Mafia' Billy Smith says Elvis died while defecating, but Lamar Fike says, that he was found too far away from the toilet, and that he had sitten in his chair reading. All in all, what is almost a fact, is, that he had his pants around his ankles (according to Peter Guralnick and others), and now that I have heard peoples reactions, I more and more believe that he was on the seat. Mostly because he wouldnt be able to get up from his reading-chair and pull down his pants. The strike was to hard for that. Anyway, he was found on the floor in a kneeling position with his pants down. That what you can see in my graphic.

5. Martin, even if El was on the toilet, there is no way he could've actually died on it unless his body slumped against a wall or some other type of brace to support his body weight. To remain upright on a toilet the body uses a magnitude of muscles to maintain balance. In death, this is not possible.

You are right about that.

Best regards

Martin


it's just all so sad...poor man....:'(

[Vissie]

Dear Vissi:

1. It would take some time, but since more people have asked, I will do it next week. I will post the translated graphic here in this topic ,when finished.

2. Elvis could very possible have had his strike, while he was seated on the toilet. I never managed to get this verified, because, like you said, the stories have changed over the years. In 'Elvis & The Memphis Mafia' Billy Smith says Elvis died while defecating, but Lamar Fike says, that he was found too far away from the toilet, and that he had sitten in his chair reading. All in all, what is almost a fact, is, that he had his pants around his ankles (according to Peter Guralnick and others), and now that I have heard peoples reactions, I more and more believe that he was on the seat. Mostly because he wouldnt be able to get up from his reading-chair and pull down his pants. The strike was to hard for that. Anyway, he was found on the floor in a kneeling position with his pants down. That what you can see in my graphic.

5. Martin, even if El was on the toilet, there is no way he could've actually died on it unless his body slumped against a wall or some other type of brace to support his body weight. To remain upright on a toilet the body uses a magnitude of muscles to maintain balance. In death, this is not possible.

You are right about that.

Best regards

Martin

Hi Martin,

Thank you so much for considering providing us with a translation. I truly look forward to that!

As to the actual position El was found in, one has to consider his body was shaped by the onset of rigor-mortis at that point. A kneeling position would be congruent with him falling face forward and trying to crawl. Falling face forward would also be congruent with him biting down hard on his tongue because he would've landed on his face.

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Vissie and Cadillac King: I wonder who created these floorplans from the start, cause they are not correct. Look at this screendump from 'This Is Elvis'. As you can see, there is no door to the attic between the door to Lisa bedroom (right) and Elvis dressing room (left). Best regards, Martin

[Vissie]

Dear Vissie and Cadillac King: I wonder who created these floorplans from the start, cause they are not correct. Look at this screendump from 'This Is Elvis'. As you can see, there is no door to the attic between the door to Lisa bedroom (right) and Elvis dressing room (left). Best regards, Martin

Hi Martin,

That's a great photo. In the "Elvis & Me" film, does it show a door to the attic? Maybe the person who created some of these floor plans took the film as being factual?

[Vissie]

Martin, I have a question.

Looking closer at that photo, how did you determine that the door on the left was a closet?

Where is it opening to? From the position in the photo, it looks as if it's opening into the shower's back wall, which would be impossible :hmm:

[Getlo]

http://web.ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/Kongens-kollaps-til-web.jpg

By the way, where's the crapper meant to be in this graphic??? :blush:

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Vissie: I havent seen 'Elvis & Me', but I would like to, cause I know there are footages from upstairs included in the movie. The door to the attic is this one (in my best believe). It might also be the one next to the door to the dressing room, but maybe someone in this forum can enlighten this issue. Best regards, Martin

[Suzan]

There's 2 entrances to the bathroom, one from Elvis' room and the other from the hallway.:)

[Vissie]

Dear Vissie: I havent seen 'Elvis & Me', but I would like to, cause I know there are footages from upstairs included in the movie. The door to the attic is this one (in my best believe). It might also be the one next to the door to the dressing room, but maybe someone in this forum can enlighten this issue. Best regards, Martin

From what I understand Martin, the footage in Elvis & Me is a recreation. They did not have access to use actual parts of Graceland.

[Vissie]

There's 2 entrances to the bathroom, one from Elvis' room and the other from the hallway.:)

Will you be kind enough to share your first floor + basement floor plans with us Suzan?

[Suzan]

Will you be kind enough to share your first floor + basement floor plans with us Suzan?


Sure thing, I will go dig them up...give me about a day just to give me some time to locate them in my stack of collection. :D

[Vissie]

Sure thing, I will go dig them up...give me about a day just to give me some time to locate them in my stack of collection. :D

Oh Suzan, how sweet of you! Thanks so much! :notworthy

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Getlo: Look at the graphic in high resolution. The commode is right in front of Elvis. Elvis shot a black commode to pieces and had it replaced with another black. Best regards, martin

[Suzan]

My pleasure.:D:D

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Suzan: That is correct. There are two entrances to the bathroom: One from the bedroom and one from the dressing room. Just as you can see in my graphic. Best regards Martin

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Vissie. Look at my floorplan and you will see, that the stairs to the attic leaves a space between the hallway and the bathroom. The bathroom itself is very narrow. Best regards, Martin

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody: I have this floorplan of the basement, but cannot guarantee that it is correct. Best regards Martin

[Suzan]

I've got color shots of the floorplans from EPE, will find in my stack of stuff and post hopefully later today or early tomorrow.:D

Yup 2 entrances, that's well documented...Lisa tried to get in thru the hall entrance when they blocked her thru Elvis' bedroom.

[ksimms2]

I've got color shots of the floorplans from EPE, will find in my stack of stuff and post hopefully later today or early tomorrow.:D

Yup 2 entrances, that's well documented...Lisa tried to get in thru the hall entrance when they blocked her thru Elvis' bedroom.

you mean the day he died? that is so sad....:'(

[n-gageboy]

Hey! thanks for the floorplan Riley, but this one is wrong..
I think this one is right

[Suzan]

Still hunting for my color copies.:D:D:D:D:D

Yes, the day he died, Lisa tried to get in to the bathroom via Elvis' bedroom and when they blocked her she ran to the hallway entrance and was blocked, though some have said she did get a glimpse of him on the floor.:(:(:(:( My heart went out to that little girl (even though I was only yr.older, but I know how I would have felt had it been my daddy) and my heart goes out to the woman...I don't think that is something you ever get rid of, that image, I believe, stays forever.:(

[Diane]

Yes Suzan, my heart went out to Lisa Marie too when her dad died. She may possibly have seen him lying on the floor - how awful for her!

I too am looking forward to seeing your coloured plans of the house. Thanks so much for looking for them for us.

Diane

[Tommy]

I've got color shots of the floorplans from EPE, will find in my stack of stuff and post hopefully later today or early tomorrow.:D

Yup 2 entrances, that's well documented...Lisa tried to get in thru the hall entrance when they blocked her thru Elvis' bedroom.

Look forward to your floor plans, thanks everyone for all your floor plans.(y)

[Vissie]

Hey! thanks for the floorplan Riley, but this one is wrong..
I think this one is right

N-Gageboy, your floor plans are very good! Plus, I think they are the most accurate ones I've seen. I'm working on some comparisons and I'll post what I find as soon as I'm done (y)

[franny]

Still hunting for my color copies.:D:D:D:D:D(

I hope you can find them, Suzan! I look forward to seeing them! (y)

thanks,
franny

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear N-gage: The second floor is not correct. At the end of the hallway, it claims that there is a door to a closet between the Lisa Room and the dressing room. There isnt. Look at my stills from This Is Elvis, and see for yourself. There is no door. Best regards. Martin

[Vissie]

Still hunting for my color copies.:D:D:D:D:D

Yes, the day he died, Lisa tried to get in to the bathroom via Elvis' bedroom and when they blocked her she ran to the hallway entrance and was blocked, though some have said she did get a glimpse of him on the floor.:(:(:(:( My heart went out to that little girl (even though I was only yr.older, but I know how I would have felt had it been my daddy) and my heart goes out to the woman...I don't think that is something you ever get rid of, that image, I believe, stays forever.:(

Suzan, have been able to locate your floor plans yet? :hug:

[Vissie]

Dear N-gage: The second floor is not correct. At the end of the hallway, it claims that there is a door to a closet between the Lisa Room and the dressing room. There isnt. Look at my stills from This Is Elvis, and see for yourself. There is no door. Best regards. Martin

Elvistcbkirch, I think it might be best if you could take a floor plan and put in where you think the doors and attic stairs are. I know, for me, I'm having a difficult time placing them based on your photos.

N-gage, your floor plan is the first one I've seen that actually matches the back outline of the physical building

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1/052506/Miscellaneous/595a11a8.jpg

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. Here is the correct floorplan of second floor. Best regards, Martin

[Vissie]

Dear everybody. Here is the correct floorplan of second floor. Best regards, Martin

Martin, I believe your floorplan is missing the door that goes down to the kitchen from the landing(?)

Otherwise, it seems to be nearly identical to the one I posted up above labeled "Image 2".

Also, have you been able to translate your excellent graphic into English yet? Oh please, with sugar on top? :)))

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Vissie. You are right about the door at the landing going to the kitchen, but I choose not to include it on the map, cause i dont think it belongs to the upstairs level. I am in a bit hurry these days, but i will let you know, when I have a translation ready. best regards, Martin

[Vissie]

Dear Vissie. You are right about the door at the landing going to the kitchen, but I choose not to include it on the map, cause i dont think it belongs to the upstairs level. I am in a bit hurry these days, but i will let you know, when I have a translation ready. best regards, Martin

Thank you Martin! I'm guessing Suzan isn't going to share her copies with us :~(

[presley31]

don't get your hopes up vissie

[Vissie]

don't get your hopes up vissie

Get my hopes up?

Ah well ;)

[presley31]

just meaning you might be waiting awhile for the floorplans from suzan

[Vissie]

just meaning you might be waiting awhile for the floorplans from suzan

Thanks Presley ~ I'm hoping to see them! I'm wondering if they are any different from the ones we've seen here so far(?) Have you already seen them by any chance?

[franny]

Suzan, whatever happened to those floorplans?

Hope you can still locate them...We are all waiting!

thanks,
franny

[presley31]

Thanks Presley ~ I'm hoping to see them! I'm wondering if they are any different from the ones we've seen here so far(?) Have you already seen them by any chance?

NO l haven't but l hope suzan does post them and not just say she has them when she doesn't:hmm:

[Vissie]

NO l haven't but l hope suzan does post them and not just say she has them when she doesn't:hmm:

Well, I'm sorry to say that I don't think she has them. It's been 11 days since she promised us and I think she may have been fibbing.

Then again, I doubt she has anything we haven't seen before. (Which may be why she's gone missing) :hmm:

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. While waiting for the 'new' floorplans, you can have a look at the television Elvis had embedded in the leather-ceiling right over his bed. This capture is from Elvis & Me, and actually from his bedroom. The camera-view is from the southwest corner of the room. In the back, between Elvis and Priscilla are the doors leading from his office. Amazing isnt it? Best regards Martin

[Vissie]

Dear everybody. While waiting for the 'new' floorplans, you can have a look at the television Elvis had embedded in the leather-ceiling right over his bed. This capture is from Elvis & Me, and actually from his bedroom. The camera-view is from the southwest corner of the room. In the back, between Elvis and Priscilla are the doors leading from his office. Amazing isnt it? Best regards Martin

Martin, from what I understand, the shots from Elvis & Me are only loosely based on what the interior of Graceland looked like at that time :hmm: They didn't have access to the upstairs. They also weren't allowed to use the exterior of Graceland. It was filmed in Hollywood, Las Vegas and Quebec City.

[presley31]

hope one day we will know what the upstairs look liked when elvis was alive.

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear Vissie: I must admit, that I am not 100% sure, that they filmed upstairs i Elvis and Me, and I didnt use it for my graphic when researching (i havent seen it). But I read somewhere, that Dale Midkiff, who played Elvis, said that there was a television-set in the ceiling and that they shot the scene in the actual bedroom. Lets start a new threat about this issue. It would be nice to have it cleared out. Best regards, Martin.

[Vissie]

Dear Vissie: I must admit, that I am not 100% sure, that they filmed upstairs i Elvis and Me, and I didnt use it for my graphic when researching (i havent seen it). But I read somewhere, that Dale Midkiff, who played Elvis, said that there was a television-set in the ceiling and that they shot the scene in the actual bedroom. Lets start a new threat about this issue. It would be nice to have it cleared out. Best regards, Martin.

I'm just going by what Cilla herself has said Martin. She is quite emphatic that access to the 2nd floor is severely restricted.

[Suzan]

I can't get my scans to upload :( says they are too big??????? and when I shrink they SUCK! :(:(:(:(
BTW, Elvis & Me did not film @ Graceland and they did not film upstairs, if u want a view of the upstairs purchase "This Is Elvis" :) I"ve posted some screen caps from that section in the Graceland gallery...if u'd like to see more please let me know.:)

[Suzan]

Vissie that's one of the floorplans I have and from what I've been told it's quite accurate.:) I also have color one's and those I can't seem to get this forum to accept due to the size.:(

[Vissie]

Vissie that's one of the floorplans I have and from what I've been told it's quite accurate.:) I also have color one's and those I can't seem to get this forum to accept due to the size.:(

Told by whom?

Also, I can resize the "too large" image. PM me.

[JonRomanovich]

This is Johnny Harra actually sitting in Elvis' bed. I wish this footage (if filmed and not just photographed) would have ended up on the This Is Elvis DVD.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9656/harrainelvisbedroom0uk.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3718/elvisbedroom0et.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1783/elvisbedroomjoe6ek.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3779/elvisbedronjoe19hp.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3922/harrathisiselvis2qq.jpg

[presley31]

wow thanks for the great pics, and floor plan.

[Vissie]

Thanks so much for sharing these with us Jon! ;)

[JonRomanovich]

I didn't do the floor plan..can't remember where it was found..

I always thought there was some discussion about an attic door or no door based on what we saw in the first few minutes of TIE.

[Diane]

Thank you for these great pictures Jon. I think most of those "real" photos of the bedroom were taken by Jeanne LeMay Dumas Elvis' secretary and friend of Linda Thompson.

I've never seen a real photo showing the bookcases in the corner of the room though as shown in the movie clips.

Diane

[JonRomanovich]

Me neither. I assume Jeanne took the pics in 73 or 74 or so???? Maybe he added that after??

[franny]

Thanks, for posting those pics Jon! (y)

franny

[Erhan]

Johnny Harra was so ugly...



This is Johnny Harra actually sitting in Elvis' bed. I wish this footage (if filmed and not just photographed) would have ended up on the This Is Elvis DVD.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9656/harrainelvisbedroom0uk.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3718/elvisbedroom0et.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1783/elvisbedroomjoe6ek.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3779/elvisbedronjoe19hp.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3922/harrathisiselvis2qq.jpg

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. Jeanny lemays pictures are from 74. The pictures from the making of TIE are from 1981, and shows the way the room was furnished, when Elvis died. The bookcases are added to the room and also the television-set in front of the bed was replaced with a Zenith in a walnut cabinet. Right now I am working on an update on my graphic, since I have found out some new things. i will post it here, when I have finished. Best regards, Martin

[presley31]

Dear everybody. Jeanny lemays pictures are from 74. The pictures from the making of TIE are from 1981, and shows the way the room was furnished, when Elvis died. The bookcases are added to the room and also the television-set in front of the bed was replaced with a Zenith in a walnut cabinet. Right now I am working on an update on my graphic, since I have found out some new things. i will post it here, when I have finished. Best regards, Martin

I just read somewhere that the pics where taken in 75, don't know if thats true or not.

[Tony Trout]

Ok...someone answer me this....I'm not doubting the authenticity of these pictures (although I am currently in a heated disagreement with someone about the authenticity of the "upstairs" photos) because it looks too "real" to be a "made up" set but I'd like to know how the actors and actresses and film company got permission to film the upstairs area of Graceland if "no one has ever been allowed up there-not even to clean" as has been stated?

[Suzan]

Vissi by a friend of his.:)
I know how to resize, :) It looks crappy :( I will keep trying
Thank you Martin, true what u have said about the dates.:D:D
Looking forward to seeing ur new info.;)

[Suzan]

Ok...someone answer me this....I'm not doubting the authenticity of these pictures (although I am currently in a heated disagreement with someone about the authenticity of the "upstairs" photos) because it looks too "real" to be a "made up" set but I'd like to know how the actors and actresses and film company got permission to film the upstairs area of Graceland if "no one has ever been allowed up there-not even to clean" as has been stated?
This was done PRIOR to new management and re-furbishing of Graceland for the opening. These ARE REAL this IS the UPSTAIRS of Graceland.:D
Vernon Presley gave the go ahead and Jerry & Joe were consultants and in the new release they are interviewed on the premises of Graceland along w/the producer.
Again Vernon Presley gave the ok prior to his passing. The movie was made prior to 1980, it's release was 1980, filming, from what I've been told was done in 79.:)

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. Suzans informations are right. Before Graceland was turned open to the public, they were in need of money. And yes, they filmed upstairs. The estate has confirmed this, Esposito has confirmed it and Johnny Harra has confirmed it among others. Since the pictures are 100% reliable I could re-create his bed-and bathroom in 3D for my graphic. Best regards Martin

[Suzan]

Hi Martin.:D:D
Thank you for validating the info I recv'd.:D:D:D:D
I can't wait to see ur new graphic.:D:D

[Vissie]

Vissi by a friend of his.:)
I know how to resize, :) It looks crappy :( I will keep trying
Thank you Martin, true what u have said about the dates.:D:D
Looking forward to seeing ur new info.;)

Don't bother on my account Suzan. I'm sure it's one I have already :D

[Tony Trout]

This was done PRIOR to new management and re-furbishing of Graceland for the opening. These ARE REAL this IS the UPSTAIRS of Graceland.:D
Vernon Presley gave the go ahead and Jerry & Joe were consultants and in the new release they are interviewed on the premises of Graceland along w/the producer.
Again Vernon Presley gave the ok prior to his passing. The movie was made prior to 1980, it's release was 1980, filming, from what I've been told was done in 79.:)

Thank you for this info, Susan. Maybe this will settle an argument I'm having with someone who vehemently denies that the footage of the upstairs is real or whether they even filmed at Graceland.

Some people just won't believe you about stuff like this even if you provide them with the hard stone-cold facts.

[Suzan]

Don't worry Vissi not on ur acct. there are many here who I'm sure would like to see it, so meantime if you have please do post.:D

Your very welcome Tony my pleasure, seems like some here, uhum rof, are here for all the wrong reason's very sad, as this is a kick butt place and the owner's are very nice.:D:D:D:D

[Vissie]

Don't worry Vissi not on ur acct. there are many here who I'm sure would like to see it, so meantime if you have please do post.:D

Your very welcome Tony my pleasure, seems like some here, uhum rof, are here for all the wrong reason's very sad, as this is a kick butt place and the owner's are very nice.:D:D:D:D

Susie, it's a shame you can't resize and upload. Perhaps someone more adept at graphics can help you? A mod maybe? As I said, I've got all the floor plan information I need and I'm sure it's one I have already ;)

[ksimms2]

so Johnny Harra played Elvis in "This Is Elvis"? Whoever stated he is ugly is right....sorry....couldn't they have picked someone better? And what else has he done? I have certainly heard his name before....is he an ETA? he just wouldn't be my first pick to play Elvis I guess.....don't mean to offend anyone......I think he's too big....even in Elvis last days of life I dont think he was as big as it shows in "This Is Elvis" was he?

[Vissie]

so Johnny Harra played Elvis in "This Is Elvis"? Whoever stated he is ugly is right....sorry....couldn't they have picked someone better? And what else has he done? I have certainly heard his name before....is he an ETA? he just wouldn't be my first pick to play Elvis I guess.....don't mean to offend anyone......I think he's too big....even in Elvis last days of life I dont think he was as big as it shows in "This Is Elvis" was he?

Ksimms, from what I understand, he's an impersonator.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1/052506/Miscellaneous/47c69011.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1/052506/Miscellaneous/602f27de.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1/052506/Miscellaneous/4306dd66.jpg

[Suzan]

Susie, it's a shame you can't resize and upload. Perhaps someone more adept at graphics can help you? A mod maybe? As I said, I've got all the floor plan information I need and I'm sure it's one I have already ;)

ROFLMFAO, please don't call me that u no longer have that privilage.:D:D
However, hon, u know I'm quite adept @ graphics and if u don't then how can u make that statement? lol, but thanks for the concern.:D However, as u probably do have it, why not post for everyone? I've not seen u post any photos thus far, I may be wrong, but I haven't seen them, so please do share what you have.:D I will work it out as I want them to be in great quality.:D:D:D:D:D
Welcome to the forum btw, I see u just joined this past August.:)

I think from what I've seen is that most of us do have the floorplans, and if you do have the color one's again please do post.:D

[Suzan]

so Johnny Harra played Elvis in "This Is Elvis"? Whoever stated he is ugly is right....sorry....couldn't they have picked someone better? And what else has he done? I have certainly heard his name before....is he an ETA? he just wouldn't be my first pick to play Elvis I guess.....don't mean to offend anyone......I think he's too big....even in Elvis last days of life I dont think he was as big as it shows in "This Is Elvis" was he?


Yes he did, he played the "older" Elvis.:) In certain shots/photos he can pass for Elvis, much more so I think then some of the other impersonators.:D

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everybody. Despite his nose, I think Harra looks pretty much like Elvis in 1977. His body shape is the same and the way he walks seems prety well studied. But that is just my opinion. Best regards, Martin.

[Suzan]

Dear everybody. Despite his nose, I think Harra looks pretty much like Elvis in 1977. His body shape is the same and the way he walks seems prety well studied. But that is just my opinion. Best regards, Martin.
I think so too...and someplace I have a pic of him and his daughter in same pose as Elvis and Lisa where Elvis is kissing Lisa's head and looks just like them, black and white photo...:D:D
I don't know for sure, but I think he was the one the rags were posting pics of claiming it was Elvis in early 80's.

[Vissie]

ROFLMFAO, please don't call me that u no longer have that privilage.:D:D
However, hon, u know I'm quite adept @ graphics and if u don't then how can u make that statement? lol, but thanks for the concern.:D However, as u probably do have it, why not post for everyone? I've not seen u post any photos thus far, I may be wrong, but I haven't seen them, so please do share what you have.:D I will work it out as I want them to be in great quality.:D:D:D:D:D
Welcome to the forum btw, I see u just joined this past August.:)

I think from what I've seen is that most of us do have the floorplans, and if you do have the color one's again please do post.:D

Susie, let it go. You no gots = You no gots ;) :lol:

Thanks for the welcome, it's nice to be here (y)

[franny]

so Johnny Harra played Elvis in "This Is Elvis"? Whoever stated he is ugly is right....sorry....couldn't they have picked someone better? And what else has he done? I have certainly heard his name before....is he an ETA? he just wouldn't be my first pick to play Elvis I guess.....don't mean to offend anyone......I think he's too big....even in Elvis last days of life I dont think he was as big as it shows in "This Is Elvis" was he?

Johnny Harra was also in The Elvis Conspiracy (1992). I don't think he was that great either in This Is Elvis, but there's worse out there! :lol:

franny

[Suzan]

What honey does "you no gots" mean? Is that English????? I'm confused, your making no sense.
And baby lets see your graphics...and please I would like to know how you would begin to kow my graphic know how? You opened the door sweetie, go thru w/it...please advise further, otherwise don't make post's such as you did and I'm asking you again to not call me that...either address me as Suzan or Suzana or don't address me at all, I think your I believe you understand that request. Thank you:) Again thanks for the compliance of my request Mz.D.:D:D:D

Hi Franny! :D:D
Yes that is what was said on a television show (I believe Geraldo) where this was brought up, sometime in early 80's one of the rag mags had photos of, supposedly, Elvis meeting w/Dr. Nick..however, they were far away and grainy and it has been said that someone was taking pics of Johnny and claiming it was Elvis. :(

[franny]

Thanks, for the info Suzan! (y)

franny

[alstrada]

Johnny Harra website

http://www.geocities.com/jharra2000/?200717

[riley]

amazing pics to say the least on that website. In some pics he looks a lot like him.

[franny]

Thanks, for the link alstrada!

Unfortunately, it won't open for me!

franny

[ksimms2]

wow! okay after looking at his site and reading he had to gain 42lbs for the movie...his photo's do look alot like elvis. Especially if you consider the photo taken in the pool house after elvis died - the one that made people think Elvis was still alive? What if it were Johnny Harra? Certainly could of been him....he looks so much like him.....amazing...thanks for posting that link because the other photo's posted of him on here...I just didn't like them.....maybe because of the weight gain for the movie?

[Vissie]

What honey does "you no gots" mean? Is that English????? I'm confused, your making no sense.
And baby lets see your graphics...and please I would like to know how you would begin to kow my graphic know how? You opened the door sweetie, go thru w/it...please advise further, otherwise don't make post's such as you did and I'm asking you again to not call me that...either address me as Suzan or Suzana or don't address me at all, I think your I believe you understand that request. Thank you:) Again thanks for the compliance of my request Mz.D.:D:D:D

Hi Franny! :D:D
Yes that is what was said on a television show (I believe Geraldo) where this was brought up, sometime in early 80's one of the rag mags had photos of, supposedly, Elvis meeting w/Dr. Nick..however, they were far away and grainy and it has been said that someone was taking pics of Johnny and claiming it was Elvis. :(

Sus, scroll back through the thread (it seems you've got a terribly short memory!) :D You offered to post your floor plans. But, that was all talk and no show :lol: (y) As for English, I can see you don't have a very good linguistic understanding. No problem, I can aim down to your level.

You might want to write this down:

The word is you're meaning "you are" (not your). The word is through, not thru. The words are "to know" not "to kow". The word post's is not possessive as used here. The sentence I think your I believe you understand that request makes no sense at all so you might want to completely rewrite it.

I'm not going to continue this with you. You were the one that agreed to post graphics. You run away and come back and offer up excuses. Fine. I say you don't have anything we haven't seen already.

I'm out of this conversation with you about floor plans. And, from what the PMs in my inbox say, so are many others.

[Suzan]

Sus, scroll back through the thread (it seems you've got a terribly short memory!) You offered to post your floor plans. But, that was all talk and no show As for English, I can see you don't have a very good linguistic understanding. No problem, I can aim down to your level.

You might want to write this down:

The word is you're meaning "you are" (not your). The word is through, not thru. The words are "to know" not "to kow". The word post's is not possessive as used here. The sentence I think your I believe you understand that request makes no sense at all so you might want to completely rewrite it.

I'm not going to continue this with you. You were the one that agreed to post graphics. You run away and come back and offer up excuses. Fine. I say you don't have anything we haven't seen already.

I'm out of this conversation with you about floor plans. And, from what the PMs in my inbox say, so are many others.


V...why are you on this forum? By your posts, honey, your not a fan...the hygene thread alone.
And the personal attack? Is that the best you can do? And as for your pm box, who really cares? If those individuals have issues they can address me directly. And honey you don't make any sense I saw the rest of this thread, I was asking what "no gots" meant...what's the matter don't you know what your talking about?
What part of "my scanner scans TO LARGE to be able to post" are you not comprehending? And what part of address me by my full name are you not understanding?
Typos baby and I always write thru short form I am perfectly aware how to spell don't need the likes of you to explaiin it to me but I am very happy to see you know how to look in a dictionary and use spell check.:D:D:D:D

I have YET to see you post anything positive, and YET to see you POST ANYTHING that you've actually scanned and not gotten elsewhere on the net...so hey why don't you share?????? Why don't you post the floorplans you claim to have?????? ROF
Good I'm glad your out of the conversation, you never have anything constructive anyway. ;)

[Suzan]

BTW I will not post now just so YOU can't view them...why are you hiding? Why not go by your real name? At least I'm out in the open...:D;) Do you feel all good about yourself being this mean? LOL
Wow and to think this is only from someone who's been here since Aug. wow what do we have to look forward to from you in the future? ROF

[Tommy]

Please stop with the personal attacks and stick to the subject.

[presley31]

wow! okay after looking at his site and reading he had to gain 42lbs for the movie...his photo's do look alot like elvis. Especially if you consider the photo taken in the pool house after elvis died - the one that made people think Elvis was still alive? What if it were Johnny Harra? Certainly could of been him....he looks so much like him.....amazing...thanks for posting that link because the other photo's posted of him on here...I just didn't like them.....maybe because of the weight gain for the movie?

l agree kelly, not to fond seeing that guy either.

[Suzan]

Please stop with the personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Thank you Tommy!!!!! :D:D:D:D I know you and I have spoken privately about the picture size issue, is there any way that that limit can be increased to accept larger photos?
Also please check ur pm apparently this person has now taken to bothering me via pm's.:(

[presley31]

Thanks Tommy.

[Tony Trout]

Please stop with the personal attacks and stick to the subject.


Thank you also, Tommy....this is one of the reasons I've decided to lay low for a while...it's plain childish to attack someone on a public messageboard.

[Diane]

Thanks Tommy from me too. I agree with you Tony, I'm finding a lack of wanting to post much anymore too.

Diane

[Suzan]

Thank you Tony I think your right, I lay low for a bit and thought ok to post and then wham....ah well what can u do?

[Tommy]

This a great thread, let's hope you who are not sticking to the subject will do so. I think enough has been said to hurt each others feelings. That is not the purpose here at TCB-World.

Thank you.

[Getlo]

I can aim down to your level.
The word is you're meaning "you are" (not your). The word is through, not thru. The words are "to know" not "to kow". The word post's is not possessive as used here. The sentence I think your I believe you understand that request makes no sense at all so you might want to completely rewrite it.


Oh, this guy's a complete charmer, eh? Maybe he's the one who attacked presley31 on that other forum? Same viciousness displayed.

Just a thought ...

Does anyone know where the original plans for Graceland are located at all??

[Tommy]

This thread is now temporarily closed I think enough has been said.

[Tommy]

I hope opening up this thread again that members will get along and stick to the subject.