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This is a challenge to see just how much those who call themselves experts on EP actually know. This segment is called Album Covers. I know the answer because I was there and have seen the original copy of the full picture. The question is.....
At what show and date was the cover of Elvis In Concert CBS TV Special taken from?
Good Luck
http://www.flamingstar.no/fapr/images/050628_143745-5/file/Album%20Elvis%20in%20concert.jpg
I think that was taken in Hunstville in June 75.I wish Elvis looked that good for the CBS special.
Jak
We have a winner!:D That is correct. Great job Jak. Many think it's from Pittsburgh December 31, 1976. But as you and I and now everyone else knows, it's not. It was taken on June 1, 1975 at the 8:30 PM show at the Von Braun Civic Center arena (below).
This is the exterior as exactly how EP saw the arena as he arrived from the Huntsville Hilton hotel across the street.
http://www.deqvi.net/personal/vacation_98/vbcc.jpg
This is the interior of the arena. EP's stage was in front and center just in front of that big center door. The floor seats were right where the ice is.
http://www.chtg.net/UAH/insidevbc.jpg
If you look at the facial features carefully it's pretty easy to tell the difference from the 76 show.If Im not mistaken it was probably taken by Bonja.I believe he took every live shot used on the RCA lp's.The one exception could be the On Stage lp.Im not sure about that one.
Jak
King_Creole
06-09-2007, 09:57 PM
We have a winner!:D That is correct.
Doncha think you should have given more time for other people to Answer that simple question EP75 ?
Great job Jak.Yes, great job Jak.
Many think it's from Pittsburgh December 31, 1976.
Just exactly who is "many" that you are reffering to EP75 ?
A casual fan or a child off the street ?
Most Elvis fans I know already know the differnce and answer to that novice query ...
toffe
06-10-2007, 02:02 AM
Ohh..Thank you, i love to see Concert buildings from the 70`s. do you have more questions? :blush:
Leroy
06-10-2007, 02:10 AM
By the way, the picture on the cover of the "In Concert" album is modified. They have "reworked" the chin and parts of the cheek bones to make him appear fresh. The same happened to one of the pictures inside and the picture on the back.
TCBnAflash
06-10-2007, 02:24 AM
If you look at the difference between how Elvis looked between the new years concert and the CBS special, it was obvious that something was wrong.
toffe
06-10-2007, 02:24 AM
I am also wondering where the picture on the cover of "Aloha from Hawaii" is taken, anybody know ?
srj1967
06-10-2007, 04:06 AM
I am also wondering where the picture on the cover of "Aloha from Hawaii" is taken, anybody know ?
I read somewhere years ago that it was from San Antonio on April 18th, 1972.
Anyone?
By the way, the picture on the cover of the "In Concert" album is modified. They have "reworked" the chin and parts of the cheek bones to make him appear fresh. The same happened to one of the pictures inside and the picture on the back.
Why am I not surprised ?
The world seems to have " modified" & "reworked" Elvis. :'(
toffe
06-10-2007, 05:27 AM
I read somewhere years ago that it was from San Antonio on April 18th, 1972.
Anyone?
Hmm..Okei, this show was filmed for "On Tour" if i am right?
srj1967
06-10-2007, 05:32 AM
Hmm..Okei, this show was filmed for "On Tour" if i am right?
It was one of the shows filmed for EOT, yes.
toffe
06-10-2007, 05:53 AM
It was one of the shows filmed for EOT, yes.
Okei :blush:
elvis himselvis
06-10-2007, 06:29 AM
i heard that Elvis didn't liked the photo because his hair was too long and he tought he looked like a hippie
Jumpsuit Junkie
06-10-2007, 07:45 AM
This is a challenge to see just how much those who call themselves experts on EP actually know. This segment is called Album Covers. I know the answer because I was there and have seen the original copy of the full picture. The question is.....
At what show and date was the cover of Elvis In Concert CBS TV Special taken from?
Good Luck
http://www.flamingstar.no/fapr/images/050628_143745-5/file/Album%20Elvis%20in%20concert.jpg
It is indeed June 1st 1975, I'm certain that the photo's were taken by George Hill?
This photo was never enhanced in any way shape or form. That is completely untrue. If anything it was darkened but never was his face "reworked" for the LP cover. In fact, the last time EP looked healthy was that June 1975 tour. After that was the beginning of the end. And not being biased but they could not have picked a better shot for the final LP.
I remember seeing that cover of Elvis In Concert as a kid and thinking "wow, he looks so young in that picture". In fact all four photos included were some of the best of him live on stage from 1972 (back cover) and the inserted 1974 pictures. What's a shame is hearing and seeing EP from these shows recorded for the album. You hear him and you think of those pictures used. But when you see him performing those shows you look at him then and then glance at those pictures and it's a whole different person.:'(
EP never saw the cover or knew about it because the LP didn't become an idea until AFTER his death. It was released as a last memento to his life that was known to exist and it was rush released following the CBS TV special in October, two months after his death. So the rumor of him seeing it and commenting on it would also be inaccurate.
The photo used for the Aloha From Hawaii LP cover was indeed San Antonio, TX April 1972. And to be more specific, I do believe he was performing Proud Mary during that shot. that was when he went into the arm spin for the song break.
toffe
06-10-2007, 09:06 AM
Okei, thanks for all info EP75 :king:
elvis himselvis
06-10-2007, 09:12 AM
Like EP75 said,i think this was on of the last times Elvis looked great...he did looked great in other moments,but this was the true Elvis when he wasn't looking ill due to those pills and ilness
Leroy
06-11-2007, 05:10 AM
This photo was never enhanced in any way shape or form. That is completely untrue. If anything it was darkened but never was his face "reworked" for the LP cover. In fact, the last time EP looked healthy was that June 1975 tour. After that was the beginning of the end. And not being biased but they could not have picked a better shot for the final LP.
I remember seeing that cover of Elvis In Concert as a kid and thinking "wow, he looks so young in that picture". In fact all four photos included were some of the best of him live on stage from 1972 (back cover) and the inserted 1974 pictures. What's a shame is hearing and seeing EP from these shows recorded for the album. You hear him and you think of those pictures used. But when you see him performing those shows you look at him then and then glance at those pictures and it's a whole different person.:'(
EP never saw the cover or knew about it because the LP didn't become an idea until AFTER his death. It was released as a last memento to his life that was known to exist and it was rush released following the CBS TV special in October, two months after his death. So the rumor of him seeing it and commenting on it would also be inaccurate.
The photo used for the Aloha From Hawaii LP cover was indeed San Antonio, TX April 1972. And to be more specific, I do believe he was performing Proud Mary during that shot. that was when he went into the arm spin for the song break.
I sorry to burst your bubble but the picture was enhanced. Look at the below and see for yourself. They have taken away a big part of the throat area. The picture has been taken only a moment before or after the album picture. See and compare and stop dreamin'. I also have reason to believe that a large part of his face doesn't even belong in 1975. Especially the area around his eyes looks too fresh. They could have found another picture to donate to this one. The album picture reminds me very much of a 1969 picture which I have posted here too. I think it's save to say there is more than a slight resemblance here.
Leroy
06-11-2007, 05:13 AM
The picture on the album sleeve of "Aloha from Hawaii" was taken on April 6th, Detroit, Michigan.
Leroy
06-11-2007, 05:43 AM
RCA did a lot of enhancing for the album covers. On the album "Frankie & Johnny" they took away Elvis present face and replaced it with an earlier picture. You can see that on the pictures I have posted below. First you see a picture taken in 1964 as a promo for "Girl Happy". It is this picture that was also used to fabricate the "F & J" picture. So it was already done in the sixties.
The picture on "Today" is showing a July 1973 picture (taken in Nassau) and this one was also enhanced. Again the chain area was reworked and they took away a little bit off the waist.
Another "make over" job was done on the picture of "From Elvis Presley Boulevard". The cutted out Elvis much sharper than he was. Apparently the record company decided it was better to show the public an Elvis they thought we ought to see instead of the real one. This policy has now been taken over by EPE.
It is indeed June 1st 1975, I'm certain that the photo's were taken by George Hill?
I could be wrong but I believe only the photo's taken by Bonja were used on the lp's.He was Tom Diskin's nephew and had the inside track.
Jak
srj1967
06-11-2007, 06:32 AM
The picture on the album sleeve of "Aloha from Hawaii" was taken on April 6th, Detroit, Michigan.
From where did this info come?
Leroy
06-11-2007, 07:43 AM
From where did this info come?
By comparing pictures from various April 1972 pictures. It can't be San Antonio because his hair was different there. During the San Antonio show he had a separation in his hair and it stayed pretty well during the show. In Detroit his hair was longer and more messy. It was already that way when he entered the stage.
Below you'll find a few other pictures from the same Detroit show. The last picture is from San Antonio.
srj1967
06-11-2007, 07:50 AM
By comparing pictures from various April 1972 pictures. It can't be San Antonio because his hair was different there.
Sorry, but that's not exactly conclusive proof, is it? Besides, he's moving rapidly in the Aloha cover pic. If there are pictures from the concert taken at roughly the same time or at the same angle, then maybe we could compare ...
Leroy
06-11-2007, 08:11 AM
Yeah, right!
By comparing pictures from various April 1972 pictures. It can't be San Antonio because his hair was different there. During the San Antonio show he had a separation in his hair and it stayed pretty well during the show. In Detroit his hair was longer and more messy. It was already that way when he entered the stage.
Below you'll find a few other pictures from the same Detroit show. The last picture is from San Antonio.
I can see the difference ......Thanks, Leroy (y)
You've got a good eye. :D
If only more of us had your talent,
you wouldn't have to work so hard.
toffe
06-11-2007, 08:20 AM
Thank you for info about the Aloha cover everyone :blush:
Leroy
06-12-2007, 06:47 AM
I can see the difference ......Thanks, Leroy (y)
You've got a good eye. :D
If only more of us had your talent,
you wouldn't have to work so hard.
Thank you AJR. The hard working is not so bad. In fact, it can be very rewarding sometimes. But it is the way some people are responding to it. All the time I have to be the one to prove I'm right. Maybe it's about time for others to prove me wrong. It doesn't seem to matter if I use pictures or statements; it's always unsubstantial. Funny thing is that the people who are claiming this are always the ones who do not come up with something substantial themselves.
Thank you AJR. The hard working is not so bad. In fact, it can be very rewarding sometimes. But it is the way some people are responding to it. All the time I have to be the one to prove I'm right. Maybe it's about time for others to prove me wrong. It doesn't seem to matter if I use pictures or statements; it's always unsubstantial. Funny thing is that the people who are claiming this are always the ones who do not come up with something substantial themselves.
:lmfao: :lmfao: Boy, I can agree with that one !!
Some cry proof; but never do that themselves......Kinda like authors & coluimnists.....;) Whatever sells.....no matter the truth or the sleeziness ....
srj1967
06-12-2007, 07:48 AM
Thank you AJR. The hard working is not so bad. In fact, it can be very rewarding sometimes. But it is the way some people are responding to it. All the time I have to be the one to prove I'm right. Maybe it's about time for others to prove me wrong. It doesn't seem to matter if I use pictures or statements; it's always unsubstantial. Funny thing is that the people who are claiming this are always the ones who do not come up with something substantial themselves.
******** and snide comments aside, is this enough proof for you?
I emailed Ed Bonja, the man who took the photo on the original Aloha album. Here is his reply, which I only just received:
Hi Scott,
I took that shot in San Antonio, Texas, on April 18, 1972.
I hope that helps!
Regards,
Ed
So, it's very possible (and now probable) that the pics listed in other sources as April 6th are from April 18th, hence the similarity of Elvis in the various shots ...
Oh, and if anyone doubts the above email reply is authentic, feel free to get on the internet and find Ed Bonja yourselves and email him. Took me all of five minutes.
:D
thehillbillycat
06-12-2007, 07:52 AM
Photo on the cover of Aloha From Hawaii is indeed from April 6, 1972 in Detroit, MI.
Info of photos that was used on album covers is found in one of my books. It says that it is commonly known that photo was taken on another date April 18, 1972 in San Antonio, TX but it was found out that it was really taken on April 6.
Photo on the cover of Aloha From Hawaii is indeed from April 6, 1972 in Detroit, MI.
Info of photos that was used on album covers is found in one of my books. It says that it is commonly known that photo was taken on another date April 18, 1972 in San Antonio, TX but it was found out that it was really taken on April 6.
Thank you very much.....some do research anyway. :D
srj1967
06-12-2007, 08:11 AM
Photo on the cover of Aloha From Hawaii is indeed from April 6, 1972 in Detroit, MI.
Info of photos that was used on album covers is found in one of my books. It says that it is commonly known that photo was taken on another date April 18, 1972 in San Antonio, TX but it was found out that it was really taken on April 6.
Which book? Source? See my thread re email reply from photographer Ed Bonja ...
toffe
06-12-2007, 08:35 AM
I think Ed Knows best where the photo was taken :blush:
Well, I guess we could email Ed Bonja & see.....however, I doubt he'll be sitting around waiting to answer anyones questions....:lol:
This might explain some errors:
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/shotbonja.html
Well, I guess we could email Ed Bonja & see.....however, I doubt he'll be sitting around waiting to answer anyones questions....:lol:
This might explain some errors:
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/shotbonja.html
I believe SRJ emailed Bonja and has already got his response.He copied the reply above.
Jumpsuit Junkie
06-12-2007, 10:45 AM
Well, I guess we could email Ed Bonja & see.....however, I doubt he'll be sitting around waiting to answer anyones questions....:lol:
This might explain some errors:
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/shotbonja.html
Thank you for posting this link ajr, this would certainly explain a lot!
I believe SRJ emailed Bonja and has already got his response.He copied the reply above.
From reading the link ajr posted it would seem that Ed Bonja could of taken a picture yesterday and still got the date wrong, surely he would have had some input into the information provided for this publication?
I don't doubt that he has given us many great pictures but his memory is probably not as sharp as it could be??
Leroy
06-12-2007, 01:48 PM
Although I have the greatest respect for people like Ed Bonja, who provided us with perfect examples of his work the picture was taken more that 30 years ago. He probably doesn't go over his files everyday like some of us do. He will also never see the need to study them day after day, looking for details. He sees a picture someone is showing him, he will see the jumpsuit and draws a conclusion. I remember my conversation with wardrobe designer Bill Belew and suprisingly I was the one to correct him on certain things.
This doesn't not show my quality but the fact that the memory of the ones that were around Elvis could be fading after so many years and even more events.
In the picture Elvis is wearing the "White Pinwheel Suit". He wore that suit in Detroit, Roanoke, Macon but also in San Antonio. People will automaticly connect this suit with San Antonio because that performance will be forever linked with "Elvis on Tour". But on the picture his hair is bushy. It never, at any time during his San Antonio concert his hair was bushy, not even when he moved. This picture was taken during a wild number. There were only three real wild numbers during these shows; "Proud Mary", "Polk Salad Annie" and "Suspicious Minds" We do have "Proud Mary" as it can be seen in "OnTour". It couldn't be the other two songs because he would not wear a cape. Gentlemen. A picture doesn't lie. If you take the time to study it, it will tell you more than any statement. that comes 35 years after the date.
This discussion very much reminds me of the one about the "Gold Attendance Belt". All official instances were stating that Elvis received the belt on September 7th, 1970, right after the closing of his third Las Vegas season and just before going on his first national tour.
I even sended an email to Graceland Archives with photographic proof that Elvis received the belt on August 28th, 1969. But they repeated their point; Elvis received the belt in Sept. 1970. The fact that Elvis grew a few inches of sideburns within 48 hours was not proof.
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
AMEN !! Only gentleman I've seen for a very long time
He even fights nice......
stefankoch
06-12-2007, 02:11 PM
Although I have the greatest respect for people like Ed Bonja, who provided us with perfect examples of his work the picture was taken more that 30 years ago. He probably doesn't go over his files everyday like some of us do. He will also never see the need to study them day after day, looking for details. He sees a picture someone is showing him, he will see the jumpsuit and draws a conclusion. I remember my conversation with wardrobe designer Bill Belew and suprisingly I was the one to correct him on certain things.
This doesn't not show my quality but the fact that the memory of the ones that were around Elvis could be fading after so many years and even more events.
In the picture Elvis is wearing the "White Pinwheel Suit". He wore that suit in Detroit, Roanoke, Macon but also in San Antonio. People will automaticly connect this suit with San Antonio because that performance will be forever linked with "Elvis on Tour". But on the picture his hair is bushy. It never, at any time during his San Antonio concert his hair was bushy, not even when he moved. This picture was taken during a wild number. There were only three real wild numbers during these shows; "Proud Mary", "Polk Salad Annie" and "Suspicious Minds" We do have "Proud Mary" as it can be seen in "OnTour". It couldn't be the other two songs because he would not wear a cape. Gentlemen. A picture doesn't lie. If you take the time to study it, it will tell you more than any statement. that comes 35 years after the date.
This discussion very much reminds me of the one about the "Gold Attendance Belt". All official instances were stating that Elvis received the belt on September 7th, 1970, right after the closing of his third Las Vegas season and just before going on his first national tour.
I even sended an email to Graceland Archives with photographic proof that Elvis received the belt on August 28th, 1969. But they repeated their point; Elvis received the belt in Sept. 1970. The fact that Elvis grew a few inches of sideburns within 48 hours was not proof.
:notworthy You are so cool :clap: :clap:
Jumpsuit Junkie
06-12-2007, 02:37 PM
Although I have the greatest respect for people like Ed Bonja, who provided us with perfect examples of his work the picture was taken more that 30 years ago. He probably doesn't go over his files everyday like some of us do. He will also never see the need to study them day after day, looking for details. He sees a picture someone is showing him, he will see the jumpsuit and draws a conclusion.
This is an excellent point! There be many people who have worked with/for the Colonel or Elvis, this doesn't necessarily make them an aficionado. From what I have read on the Internet Ed had taken over 10,000 Images of Elvis, would he know when each of them was taken by date and venue :hmm: possibly?
Would Ed Bonja be a ex acquaintance or fanatic?
thehillbillycat
06-12-2007, 07:43 PM
Which book? Source? See my thread re email reply from photographer Ed Bonja ...
Book it titled....Elvis from 1956 to 1977. Written in 2000. It tells all the not known alot of Elvis related. For the concert photos it shows the album cover and shows original photo right by it and give a small write up about it. For the photo in question it says that photo was taken on April 6, 1972 during the tour which the film Elvis On Tour was made from. Photo was taken by Ed Bonja. In another part of the book that deals with Elvis On Tour. It tells more about the photo. Ed thought or thinks (which ever the case may be) it was taken April 18, 1972. It was found out in 1984 from a hardcore Elvis fan at the time that the photo was taken during the April 6, 1972 show. The fan said that the key feature is his hair. His hair was a little different on the dates of April 6 and April 18, 1972. The hardcore fan was at all the EOT April 1972 tour and took many photos of this tour. The fan even took a picture from April 6, 1972 which Elvis is in the same position as he is in the Ed Bonja photo but in a different angle.
Also the book that was told on the site that ajr provided. My friend has that book. On the site it says the following:
Page 6: Not November 13 1971, but April 6 1972 (This picture is also on page 46).
The photo they are talking about is the one that appears on Aloha From Hawaii cover.
Leroy is correct when saying that Elvis wore the White Pinwheel Suit during the following shows:
Detroit, Roanoke, Macon and San Antonio. This suit is famous because it was feature during three songs of Elvis On Tour movie which the segment was filmed in San Antonio. Many will link the suit with the movie. This is also maybe why Ed Bonja says that photo was taken on April 18, 1972.
Also of the fact of the three wild songs: Proud Mary, Polk Salad Annie and Suspicious Minds. If notice that Elvis is wearing the cape to the suit. Elvis On Tour showed Proud Mary so it couldn't be this. The other two songs Elvis didn't wear the cape for. During this tour he mostly took the cape off before Polk Salad Annie which was the wildest number of 1972 because of Elvis moments for the song. Suspicious Minds he didn't wear the cape either.
But photo was indeed by Ed Bonja but it wasn't taken April 18, 1972 but on April 6, 1972.
Elvislennon2004 :
How very nice of you to look all that up.
Thank you so much.:D
thehillbillycat
06-12-2007, 08:10 PM
No problem.
Love to help out on Photo question.
Leroy
06-12-2007, 08:20 PM
Elvislennon2004, thank you very much for your input. It gives me great pleasure to discover I'm not the only one who's driven to go for the ultimate truth.
thehillbillycat
06-12-2007, 09:29 PM
Elvislennon2004, thank you very much for your input. It gives me great pleasure to discover I'm not the only one who's driven to go for the ultimate truth.
No problem, I knew the photo wasn't from the San Antonio concert from begin with.
A friend of mine who went to the show said that she ws told it was from the detroit concert from the same tour. When I found this book it deals with little known facts or the not well known facts. So I read the book and told what it says.
King_Creole
06-12-2007, 10:11 PM
I sorry to burst your bubble but the picture was enhanced. Look at the below and see for yourself. They have taken away a big part of the throat area. The picture has been taken only a moment before or after the album picture. See and compare and stop dreamin'. I also have reason to believe that a large part of his face doesn't even belong in 1975. Especially the area around his eyes looks too fresh. They could have found another picture to donate to this one. The album picture reminds me very much of a 1969 picture which I have posted here too. I think it's save to say there is more than a slight resemblance here.
Another poster who sees the light and calls a spade a spade !
Good work Leroy ! :clap:
toffe
06-12-2007, 11:57 PM
Book it titled....Elvis from 1956 to 1977. Written in 2000. It tells all the not known alot of Elvis related. For the concert photos it shows the album cover and shows original photo right by it and give a small write up about it. For the photo in question it says that photo was taken on April 6, 1972 during the tour which the film Elvis On Tour was made from. Photo was taken by Ed Bonja. In another part of the book that deals with Elvis On Tour. It tells more about the photo. Ed thought or thinks (which ever the case may be) it was taken April 18, 1972. It was found out in 1984 from a hardcore Elvis fan at the time that the photo was taken during the April 6, 1972 show. The fan said that the key feature is his hair. His hair was a little different on the dates of April 6 and April 18, 1972. The hardcore fan was at all the EOT April 1972 tour and took many photos of this tour. The fan even took a picture from April 6, 1972 which Elvis is in the same position as he is in the Ed Bonja photo but in a different angle.
Also the book that was told on the site that ajr provided. My friend has that book. On the site it says the following:
Page 6: Not November 13 1971, but April 6 1972 (This picture is also on page 46).
The photo they are talking about is the one that appears on Aloha From Hawaii cover.
Leroy is correct when saying that Elvis wore the White Pinwheel Suit during the following shows:
Detroit, Roanoke, Macon and San Antonio. This suit is famous because it was feature during three songs of Elvis On Tour movie which the segment was filmed in San Antonio. Many will link the suit with the movie. This is also maybe why Ed Bonja says that photo was taken on April 18, 1972.
Also of the fact of the three wild songs: Proud Mary, Polk Salad Annie and Suspicious Minds. If notice that Elvis is wearing the cape to the suit. Elvis On Tour showed Proud Mary so it couldn't be this. The other two songs Elvis didn't wear the cape for. During this tour he mostly took the cape off before Polk Salad Annie which was the wildest number of 1972 because of Elvis moments for the song. Suspicious Minds he didn't wear the cape either.
But photo was indeed by Ed Bonja but it wasn't taken April 18, 1972 but on April 6, 1972.
Thanks for info mate :blush: (y)
Leroy
06-13-2007, 03:16 AM
And I would like to thank everybody for contributing to this discussion.
srj1967
06-13-2007, 05:27 AM
And I would like to thank everybody for contributing to this discussion.
As would I. And for the extra information.
But for now, I think I'll stick to the info provided from the guy who actually took the photograph ...
I think I'll stick with Leroy and others that have been so dilligent in making sure "the real truth" was told. ;)
I expect Ed doesn't even recall the many photos he took ; as to exact time, etc. Especially, if they looked so much alike.
Thanks Leroy & Elvislennon.....(y)
thehillbillycat
06-13-2007, 07:28 AM
As would I. And for the extra information.
But for now, I think I'll stick to the info provided from the guy who actually took the photograph ...
All due respect to him, He can't recall each an every 10,000 or so photos he took. There is no way on that. He could been on just about every show from that April 1972 tour and took photos from the few dates Elvis wore that suit.
Only if Ed Bonja took a full photo with at least Charlie Hodge in the photo. What he was wearing could shed some light in the matter. Usualy Charlie wore what the band wore and they wore different suit on each date or they did most of the time.
srj1967
06-13-2007, 12:05 PM
This pic is from the San Antonio concert; his hair looks a little messed up to me.
Seriously, guys, I don't think you can use something like hair as a decent reference point (unless it's pics of the Aloha rehearsal versus the actual show) ... but things like jewelry, lighting, TCB costumes etc, sure.
In any case, I've asked Ed Bonja for some more info if he's willing to provide it.
thehillbillycat
06-13-2007, 02:07 PM
This pic is from the San Antonio concert; his hair looks a little messed up to me.
Seriously, guys, I don't think you can use something like hair as a decent reference point (unless it's pics of the Aloha rehearsal versus the actual show) ... but things like jewelry, lighting, TCB costumes etc, sure.
In any case, I've asked Ed Bonja for some more info if he's willing to provide it.
Ok, want more proof. More info on Detroit Concert of April 6, 1972. From my book, the hardcore fan said the following about the detroit concert. During the songs of Proud Mary and Suspicious Minds, Elvis used his hand to comb back his hair some what. Elvis' hair was longer from the Detroit show and San Antonio show. That is how the fan that is talked about in this book figured out it is not from San Antonio show. The fan found out that Elvis had cut his hair before the second Hampton Roads Concert of April 9, 1972 which was filmed. Only about two to three inches was trimed. Not alot in one view but when close comparing photos from the two shows of him singing Proud Mary you can tell the difference then. Elvis' sideburns wasn't touch at all. It was the rest of his hair the was trimed up.
I just found that. Just figure to share it to you.
Amazing what one can find if one will look .....:D
Thanks ,Elvislennon.....you & Leroy would make a good team.....
(y) (y) (y) (y) (y)
toffe
06-13-2007, 02:25 PM
Thanks for the photo :blush:
Back in 1977 they did not enhance or change a picture for an EP album cover. Here are the two different photos of the same picture.
http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17316http://www.flamingstar.no/fapr/images/050628_143745-5/file/Album%20Elvis%20in%20concert.jpg
I see nothing that is different except for the LP cover is darker shaded. That's it.
Welcome to Alternate Reality.....where things are as one says they are ...not the way they "really are."
Photo enhancement has been around since the 1800's.
Don't know about Album covers; but doubt anyone else does either. :hmm:
Leroy hasn't failed me yet .;)
thehillbillycat
06-13-2007, 08:13 PM
Actaully that is not the true photo. The full photo of that shot where you can see his belt as well and a little bit of the pants of the suit. I use to have that photo somewhere I need to find it. But the photo had some work done on it but not alot. The photo had been darken but also some of his face was also done as well.
The real photo Elvis looked pale (not saying he was actually pale, that is how the photo appears to make him as). So they modify it so that he wouldn't be pale. That is what they done to it.
Info provided by my nice book. It is wonderful to have this book.:P :) (y)
Original photo for Elvis In Concert LP was supposed to be the photo when open the gatefold appears to the left. That was supposed to be originally on Elvis In Concert LP. Also photos that was considered was photo that is in the center of Rockin' With Elvis On New Years Eve or Photo from early 1976 (Possibly from Johnston City).
Again, info from my book.
That is a marvelous book......Thanks for keeping us informed ....(y)
I didn't think those looked just right ......;) .
King_Creole
06-14-2007, 12:36 AM
Back in 1977 they did not enhance or change a picture for an EP album cover. Here are the two different photos of the same picture.
http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17316http://www.flamingstar.no/fapr/images/050628_143745-5/file/Album%20Elvis%20in%20concert.jpg
I see nothing that is different except for the LP cover is darker shaded. That's it.
Who's to say that the bigger photo wasn't tampered with ?
C'mon EP75, don't be so naive dude ...;)
Raised on Rock
06-14-2007, 01:25 AM
RCA did a lot of enhancing for the album covers. On the album "Frankie & Johnny" they took away Elvis present face and replaced it with an earlier picture. You can see that on the pictures I have posted below. First you see a picture taken in 1964 as a promo for "Girl Happy". It is this picture that was also used to fabricate the "F & J" picture. So it was already done in the sixties.
The picture on "Today" is showing a July 1973 picture (taken in Nassau) and this one was also enhanced. Again the chain area was reworked and they took away a little bit off the waist.
Another "make over" job was done on the picture of "From Elvis Presley Boulevard". The cutted out Elvis much sharper than he was. Apparently the record company decided it was better to show the public an Elvis they thought we ought to see instead of the real one. This policy has now been taken over by EPE.
They did that even during the 90's, I remeber the 70's boxset: "Walk a Mile In My Shoes", Elvis hair was much more longer than what we see on the final box cover. Does anyone has the original photo of that one? please post it!
They also fix Elvis tie in the 50's box, but the did that kind of stuff since the 50's albums, photo enhacing, its such an everyday practice, there is no reason to belive the "Elvis in Concert" wasn?t reworked that way.
EP6873
06-14-2007, 01:42 AM
Actaully that is not the true photo. The full photo of that shot where you can see his belt as well and a little bit of the pants of the suit. I use to have that photo somewhere I need to find it. But the photo had some work done on it but not alot. The photo had been darken but also some of his face was also done as well.
The real photo Elvis looked pale (not saying he was actually pale, that is how the photo appears to make him as). So they modify it so that he wouldn't be pale. That is what they done to it.
Info provided by my nice book. It is wonderful to have this book.:P :) (y)
Original photo for Elvis In Concert LP was supposed to be the photo when open the gatefold appears to the left. That was supposed to be originally on Elvis In Concert LP. Also photos that was considered was photo that is in the center of Rockin' With Elvis On New Years Eve or Photo from early 1976 (Possibly from Johnston City).
Again, info from my book.
What book are you talking about?
srj1967
06-14-2007, 06:14 AM
Who's to say that the bigger photo wasn't tampered with ?
C'mon EP75, don't be so naive dude ...;)
I cannot for the life of me see one single difference between the two In Concert photos here, except for the colour saturation. ;) Maybe it's just my eyes or I've been staring at this PC for so long ...
thehillbillycat
06-14-2007, 07:16 AM
What book are you talking about?
Book is call Elvis 1956 to 1977. Written in 2000. It tells all the not known or not well known facts of Elvis. It shows a few photos in it but not alot. It is mostly info. It tells about each and every album from Elvis Presley to Elvis In Concert. It also tells other stuff about his shows, his life, his movies, and more.
There is another book that goes along with the book which I have too 1978 to Present. Which ends in 2000 because that is when it was published. Same fan wrote this second book and reseach it for many years. It tells about Elvis after his death and how he bloomed into a icon like no other.
Both books are very hard to find because of the info it gives is about 98% correct. There is a few, very few which is worng. I paid for both book about 50 dollars. Each book weighs about 3 pounds.
thehillbillycat
06-14-2007, 07:25 AM
They did that even during the 90's, I remeber the 70's boxset: "Walk a Mile In My Shoes", Elvis hair was much more longer than what we see on the final box cover. Does anyone has the original photo of that one? please post it!
They also fix Elvis tie in the 50's box, but the did that kind of stuff since the 50's albums, photo enhacing, its such an everyday practice, there is no reason to belive the "Elvis in Concert" wasn?t reworked that way.
If you are referring to this photo here:
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/4/5/3/6/Elvis_Live_70.jpg
I never heard that before.:hmm:
My second book says that photo was enhance from original photo but nothing more about his hair being longer.
srj1967
06-14-2007, 07:31 AM
Same fan wrote it.
Who is this fan anyway?
Leroy
06-14-2007, 07:59 AM
Elvislennon, could you provide us with the name of the author of this book, I think this really is a book worth to have.
I would like to share some more about the Detroit/San Antonio controverse. Several times, as well in the posts of Elvislennon as in mine Elvis' hair was mentioned as an important point of focus. I would like to go into it in dept. During the first part of the April tour of 1972 Elvis hair was much longer than it was in the second part. Elvislennon already mentioned that Elvis did have a haircut somewhere around the date of Hampton Roads. If that is true, I really can't say. Judging by the footage we have I would say it happened at little later.
But there is an important change noticable between Detroit and San Antonio. Not only is his hair shorter in San Antonio, it also was a completely different style.
The most important sector is the hair that falls on his forehead. We, in holland, call that area "a pony". (I know, we're strange folks up here)
That is the key area. During Detroit this part of his hair had such a lenght, it fell into his eyes. Also the sides of the hair stood out very wide.....
But in San Antonio this area was trimmed in a way it couldn't fall into his eyes and never did. Also the side of his hair was flatter.
Also another noticable factor is the change in appearance. At the beginning of the tour Elvis carried around a little more weight comparing to the end of the tour. In Detroit his face was more puffy than it was in San Antonio.
I will post some more picture, beginning with Detroit. Also the "Aloha" picture will be in it. You can see that the hair on the "Aloha" picture is the same as on the picture that follows.
thehillbillycat
06-14-2007, 08:02 AM
Who is this fans anyway?
The fan of the second book Elvis 1978 to Present is a Hardcore fan Carol Lane. She reseacrh the material for the second book for 15 years.
Writer of the first book Elvis 1956 to 1977 is her father, James Lane. He reseach for nearly 20 years. James Lane went to several shows from 1969 to 1977.
How can I say this?
From 1970 to 1977, He went to one complete tour (Date after date, AS and ES) for one time except for 1976. He was at two complete tours during that year. The rest of the time was off and on of what show he went to. Does that make sense?
Example: 1970 he went to several Vegas shows off and on but the tour that started in Phoenix, AZ and ended in Mobile, AL, He went to all of those shows. He also went to all of the shows during the April 1972 Tour. He went to two of the four Madison Square Garden shows, The first and third was the ones he went to and was at only four more shows for that tour.
In the book he says that he gave a comment on Elvis for the CBS Special but it didn't appear in the special. But he says no big deal.
This little bit of info the person who wrote the first book.
Leroy
06-14-2007, 08:16 AM
Thank you Elvislennon, you were ahead of me with posting.
And here are the San Antonio pictures. Different stages throughout the show.....
toffe
06-14-2007, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the pictures Leroy. Now i can see the picture on the Aloha cover in full size, Great :blush: :blush:
I cannot for the life of me see one single difference between the two In Concert photos here, except for the colour saturation. ;) Maybe it's just my eyes or I've been staring at this PC for so long ...
There is nothing wrong with your eyes. It's the others that can't seem to focus clearly.:lol:
nashville cat
06-14-2007, 10:09 AM
Also another noticable factor is the change in appearance. At the beginning of the tour Elvis carried around a little more weight comparing to the end of the tour. In Detroit his face was more puffy than it was in San Antonio.
This makes sense because I always thought he looked heavy in that shot. It was not exactly the most flattering shot of him, though I love the action pose.
srj1967
06-14-2007, 10:35 AM
Please don't misunderstand me here, guys'n'gals.
Near the beginning of this thread, I suggested the Aloha cover shot could have been from San Antonio on April 18th, as I'd dimly remembered reading it years ago, and asked if anyone had any other info. And now we have.
I am not saying I am right or that you are wrong, but that we need to find conclusive proof. I don't care one way or the other where or when the pic was taken, but it would be interesting to find out. I don't know - and did not claim to know! - where the shot was taken, but as I said, I'll take the photographer's word for it for now. I suppose this is in response to another member's ******** comments about finding the "real truth", which were PMed to me. No doubt, if it is indeed proven the photo is from Detroit on the 6th, much crowing will be made about my being "wrong". Which would not be the case, as I do not know, and - with respect - I don't think anybody else does yet either.
But as for Leroy and Elvislennon2004's extra info, keep it coming and let's get to the bottom of the matter, or as close to it as we can be.
By the way, I have not had a response from Ed Bonja to my second email asking for more information or any records. I hope I didn't offend him by mentioning there was some doubt as to the photo's date! :blush:
Srj, it is still possible that the Aloha cover was taken in San Antonio. The reason I say that is because many photographs of EP on stage during the 70's are mislabeled and are not from the shows they are supposed to be from. For example-this comes from seeing a picture of EP on stage wearing the peacock suit and assuming it is from LA. When we all know EP wore that suit on many occasions for his May-June tour in 1974. So that particular picture label "LA May 1974" could easily be a picture taken in Louisville a few weeks later. So this is why i say it is possible that the shot on the Aloha cover is from San Antonio as Bonja says it is.
srj1967
06-14-2007, 10:58 AM
Srj, it is still possible that the Aloha cover was taken in San Antonio.
Yeah, but I think the argument against has been that the footage from San Antonio in Elvis On Tour has his hair pretty well swept up off his forehead.
Now, this raises an interesting possibility ... what if the info we've had about EOT for all these years has been wrong, and that the Red Lion suit footage isn't from San Antonio after all ...
Hmmm, probably not. Let's not go there! :blush:
Another point I'd like to make is that if these hardcore fans / authors were at the shows in question ... who's to say their records and recollections aren't wrong? Why are people assuming Bonja didn't keep his own records and that these other fans are more on the ball?
That's all I'm saying. In anything like this, real proof must be found, either way ...
King_Creole
06-14-2007, 09:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with your eyes. It's the others that can't seem to focus clearly.:lol:
The only one who can't seem to "focus" is your hysterical reaction/s to several more-than-patient requests to try and research, read and learn the FACTS about Elvis related events and stop trying to re-write history and speculate everyday. ;)
The only one who can't seem to "focus" is your hysterical reaction/s to several more-than-patient requests to try and research, read and learn the FACTS about Elvis related events and stop trying to re-write history and speculate everyday. ;)
Enjoying those 15 minutes I see.;)
King_Creole
06-14-2007, 11:09 PM
Enjoying those 15 minutes I see.;)
As of now, it's been 45 minutes ...
Still here, alive and kickin' A$$ and taking names .... :lmfao:
Raised on Rock
06-15-2007, 12:25 PM
If you are referring to this photo here:
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/4/5/3/6/Elvis_Live_70.jpg
I never heard that before.:hmm:
My second book says that photo was enhance from original photo but nothing more about his hair being longer.
It is enhaced of course, I saw the original picture in an Elvis calendar back in the late 90's. there was Jerry Schef on the back, a big fender amp, and Elvis hair was over his face, his neck, and the neck of the jumpsuit, they took all that out, if you look closer at the pic, there is somekind of unnatural shade were his hair begins, an there is also photo make up under de sideburn, over the neck area, there was hair over there.
Please, if anyone have this photo in its original form, uploaded here at TCB, I´ve been looking for it since 1997!
toffe
06-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Thanx for info :blush:
thehillbillycat
06-15-2007, 03:22 PM
It is enhaced of course, I saw the original picture in an Elvis calendar back in the late 90's. there was Jerry Schef on the back, a big fender amp, and Elvis hair was over his face, his neck, and the neck of the jumpsuit, they took all that out, if you look closer at the pic, there is somekind of unnatural shade were his hair begins, an there is also photo make up under de sideburn, over the neck area, there was hair over there.
Please, if anyone have this photo in its original form, uploaded here at TCB, I?ve been looking for it since 1997!
I am not saying that you are wrong. But when looking closer at it I see what you are talking about. It does look somewhat un-natural.
As of now, it's been 45 minutes ...
Still here, alive and kickin' A$$ and taking names .... :lmfao:
Why is this poster still allowed on here?:doh:
Raised on Rock
06-15-2007, 06:16 PM
I am not saying that you are wrong. But when looking closer at it I see what you are talking about. It does look somewhat un-natural.
Man Elvis hair looked so cool on that photo, and the amp and Jerry playing his bass looking at E, I must find that pic someday!
Man Elvis hair looked so cool on that photo, and the amp and Jerry playing his bass looking at E, I must find that pic someday!
I've seen that picture somewhere too......
I'll see if I can remember .:D
BTW: what's the name of that jumpsuit & what year was it??
Joe Car
06-15-2007, 07:41 PM
This is a challenge to see just how much those who call themselves experts on EP actually know. This segment is called Album Covers. I know the answer because I was there and have seen the original copy of the full picture. The question is.....
At what show and date was the cover of Elvis In Concert CBS TV Special taken from?
Good Luck
http://www.flamingstar.no/fapr/images/050628_143745-5/file/Album%20Elvis%20in%20concert.jpg
This is an incredible cover!
Jumpsuit Junkie
06-15-2007, 11:00 PM
Man Elvis hair looked so cool on that photo, and the amp and Jerry playing his bass looking at E, I must find that pic someday!
The suit is called "Nail Swirl" (y)
This picture looks to have been taken moments before or after.
JJ
Leroy
06-16-2007, 12:56 AM
It is enhaced of course, I saw the original picture in an Elvis calendar back in the late 90's. there was Jerry Schef on the back, a big fender amp, and Elvis hair was over his face, his neck, and the neck of the jumpsuit, they took all that out, if you look closer at the pic, there is somekind of unnatural shade were his hair begins, an there is also photo make up under de sideburn, over the neck area, there was hair over there.
Please, if anyone have this photo in its original form, uploaded here at TCB, I?ve been looking for it since 1997!
Elvis' hair is this picture is exactly wat it was. Nothing hes been done with it. But it's my believe that they have darkened the background just to focus upon Elvis himself.
stefankoch
06-16-2007, 03:07 AM
Elvis' hair is this picture is exactly wat it was. Nothing hes been done with it. But it's my believe that they have darkened the background just to focus upon Elvis himself.
You are wrong there Leroy .... His sideburns and his hair on the original photo is in one piece you couldnt see his neck ..... They cut some of his hair away.
Raised on Rock
06-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Elvis' hair is this picture is exactly wat it was. Nothing hes been done with it. But it's my believe that they have darkened the background just to focus upon Elvis himself.
No, no, they cleaned up his messed up hair, look at Jumpsuit Junkie photo which is as his says minute before or after. Seems that this is such a hard to find pic, not even the great Leroy has it at hand.
P.S. Thanks for posting that photo J.J.
Raised on Rock
06-16-2007, 12:19 PM
I've seen that picture somewhere too......
I'll see if I can remember .:D
BTW: what's the name of that jumpsuit & what year was it??
As J.J. said this is the "Nail Swirl", although some people also call it the "I Got Lucky" or the "Apache". The photo is from November '70 at the Los Angeles Forum. If you can find this photo I?ll be so so happy if you post it. Thanks.
As J.J. said this is the "Nail Swirl", although some people also call it the "I Got Lucky" or the "Apache". The photo is from November '70 at the Los Angeles Forum. If you can find this photo I?ll be so so happy if you post it. Thanks.
I've been looking.....I've been as far as China ;)
& not found it yet . I'll keep my eyes open though. I travel a lot on here. :D
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/candid-central/111470back.html
I think I've found where & who to ask above.
Joe Tunzsi took the photes ....his address is on there......Good luck....:D
Not your suit: but, he does some good moves here;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTYg2Q-vDJ0
nashville cat
07-05-2007, 08:43 AM
Can anyone comment about the cover to Promised Land? Was his waistline or appearance adjusted in any way? Always thought it was a somewhat unflattering shot. He really wasn't looking heavy at the time. His belly doesn't look that big, maybe it's just the belt...
Great album, boring cover.
Leroy
07-05-2007, 09:06 AM
The picture of the "Promised Land" album is showing exactly what Elvis looked like at that time. It was taken during the afternoon show at the L.A. Forum on May 11th, 1974. He was just a little heavier than usual, that's all. I have tried to upload a picture but I got an error everytime.
nashville cat
07-05-2007, 10:12 AM
Thanks, Leroy.
toffe
07-05-2007, 10:57 AM
Thanks for info Leroy :blush:
Tony Trout
04-12-2008, 08:31 AM
I read somewhere years ago that it was from San Antonio on April 18th, 1972.
Anyone?
No. Detroit, MI on April 6, 1972.
The photo used for the Aloha From Hawaii LP cover was indeed San Antonio, TX April 1972. And to be more specific, I do believe he was performing Proud Mary during that shot. that was when he went into the arm spin for the song break.
No.
The picture on the album sleeve of "Aloha from Hawaii" was taken on April 6th, Detroit, Michigan.
Bingo!
MIElvis
05-17-2008, 02:43 PM
Wow quite a discussion!!! These old eyes can't tell those subtle differences, suffice to say I was at the Detroit April 6, 1972 show.!
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