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"The Secret Treasures of Elvis - A Scrapbook": Billy Miller, Elvis Presley's private investigator and self proclaimed "pack rat", who owns one of the largest private collections of Elvis mementos in the world, has agreed to allow the pictures, copies and stories of hundreds of documents and Elvis items to be published in a 30th Anniversary Tribute to his friend and employer, Elvis Presley.
The "Secret Treasures of Elvis - A Scrapbook!" contains many documents, pictures and items that have never been seen before, along with documented proof of their authenticity! It is being given away to those fans who choose to have their name published on a list of Loving Fans of Elvis.
More information is available at http://elvispresleysecrets.com. (News, Source: Elvis Presley Secrets)
Who's to say it's a fairytale ??
Maybe not any worse than the MM or Esposito ......;)
To each their own .IF I had the money, I'd buy it.
Rhinestone
06-05-2007, 12:28 PM
I won't dismiss Billy Miller until I know more. I think this book would be interesting, but it's just way too expensive. I think it was something like $89?
This BILLY MILLER didn?t know Ellvis.(n) Hes only another liar in the Elvis-world(n)
This BILLY MILLER didn?t know Ellvis.(n) Hes only another liar in the Elvis-world(n)
Well, meg......there seems to be many.
I'm assuming you were there, front & center ??
Well, meg......there seems to be many.
I'm assuming you were there, front & center ??
It seems you believe everybody only not the people who where around:D
It seems you believe everybody only not the people who where around:D
whatever you think, meg. whatever you think. :D
No skin off my rear to see what he has to say. They've shut him up long enough. Let him tell his story & it'll all be over. Who or what can it hurt??
Some days ago a Colleague showed me a homepage where he is a member (only for members) They are talking there about books But the most books are about elvis is alive and such themes.I never knew people can believe that all.Maybe you´ll like that.But Idon´t know the url.If you like it I´ll ask him.:D
Some days ago a Colleague showed me a homepage where she is a member (only for members) They are talking there about books But the most books are about elvis is alive and such themes.I never knew people can believe that all.Maybe you´ll like that.But Idon´t know the url.If you like it I´ll ask him.:D
you don't need to bother, I've already been there. Nice place to discuss books. ;) At least no one disses Elvis.....:)I research many people & topics on Elvis.
Give up, meg....you can't piss me off. Been around too long.
Give up, meg....you can't piss me off. Been around too long.
:supriced: :supriced: (n)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Aha you have seen the light?That?s fine!(y)
Rhinestone
06-05-2007, 03:28 PM
meg, this is the first time I've met you.... Thanks so much for offering to get the url for that board. But, I'm sure if anyone here was interested in that subject matter, they would have already found their way there.
Rhinestone
06-05-2007, 03:30 PM
Oh, meg, I forgot to mention how much I'm impressed by your kindness.
Meg, there have been some in the EP world, I believe Marion Cocke is one of 'em, that has said that Billy Miller did indeed know and worked for EP. The only ones denying him are the Memphis Mafia only because Billy has dirt on them and they are afraid that dirt will come out. He was trying to write a book about EP years ago and somehow the mafia shut him up. I think they threatened him with some type of lawsuit if he dragged their name down and it scared him for awhile. But from what all I have heard, he is legit.
Oh, meg, I forgot to mention how much I'm impressed by your kindness.
Fine your so impressed:lmfao:
You are another one from the elvis-alive people I know(n)
Actually, what we do is research ALL stories about Elvis. You must have been gone the day I "came out " here. ;)
It's what some of us do....it's a lot of fun & very interesting.
We can't have negative people around though....nor anyone that thinks they know everything. There's just too many things to look at without "back stabbing" each other......
Think what you like meg.....it doesn't hurt me one bit....
Remember the Underground......I'd say you were there. . I remember several like you around.....too bad. IF we have anything to say about it; all that's going to come tumbling down.....
Sweet dreams, meg......:D
I have to be very skeptical of Billy Miller to say the least.If you listen to him he and Elvis were the best of friends.He claims to have gifts that Elvis gave him over the years.Including stuff from Elvis' childhood.I think if they had that kind of relationship Miller could not have flown under the radar.He is basically a non entity from what we know about Elvis' life.I dont see how his name wouldnt have surfaced throughout Elvis' ,life escpecially since it's been under the microscope for so long.His claims are outlandish in my opinion.Take what Marion Cocke says about him with a grain of salt.She loved Elvis to death but she wasnt in the inner circle.I've met her and she's a very nice person who would not intentionally mislead anyone.She may just have a faulty memory or is just confused.By the way I endorse her book "I Called Him Babe".
Jak
I have to be very skeptical of Billy Miller to say the least.If you listen to him he and Elvis were the best of friends.He claims to have gifts that Elvis gave him over the years.Including stuff from Elvis' childhood.I think if they had that kind of relationship Miller could not have flown under the radar.He is basically a non entity from what we know about Elvis' life.I dont see how his name wouldnt have surfaced throughout Elvis' ,life escpecially since it's been under the microscope for so long.His claims are outlandish in my opinion.Take what Marion Cocke says about him with a grain of salt.She loved Elvis to death but she wasnt in the inner circle.I've met her and she's a very nice person who would not intentionally mislead anyone.She may just have a faulty memory or is just confused.By the way I endorse her book "I Called Him Babe".
Jak
I'm skeptical of everyone .;) Surely, you can see that .
The only thing I'm saying about Billy is........why in the world is the MM so upset about him?? Let him write his book. Who cares ??
Those that want to believe him, will. Those that don't won't.
What's the big deal??
I will say ; there are people Elvis knew the MM never knew. There are "gifts" he gave that the MM knew nothing about. In spite of what they say...were not around 24/7....
One instance I can think of & talk about;
Esposito swore up & down there was never an undercover agent in Elvis' band. Look on the wall at Graceland.....there's a letter from them thanking EP for doing just that !! In fact, I have a copy somewhere .
All I'm saying with Billy Miller .....let him write his book. Who in the world should care ??
If the MM were not around 24/7 they were not far from it.I just think we would have heard about him.I wont get the book because i dont care about it.I just hate to see somebody rip off people that may not know better.I will say i cant recall him ever saying anything bad about Elvis.I just got the feeling he's a con man.Maybe i will be proven wrong somehow.
Jak
I have no idea if Billy Miller is who & what he says he is either.
Thing is; there's many people & many stories that have "ripped people off" about Elvis.
I'm willing to find out the truth. There's many things I've had to change my thinking on about Elvis.
I don't expect anyone else to do what I do......sometimes it's not pleasant..& it can be upsetting.....but, don't refuse to look at the "real story" IF it ever comes out either......Let us know about your trip to Memphis & take pictures .....:)
The Mafia seem to always want to be the sniffers of EP's pants, if you know what I mean. They hate to see someone else get all the publicity by telling EP's story. That's why I take what they say with a large grain of salt even if they were there. I have found them to lie quite a bit in interviews and change their stories drastically at times. One minute he was never a drug addict and a saint and the next he was a crackhead who acted like the devil, according to the Mafia. This does not include Klein, Schilling, or Esposito. But does the rest of the clan.
King_Creole
06-06-2007, 12:56 AM
One minute he was never a drug addict and a saint and the next he was a crackhead who acted like the devil, according to the Mafia. This does not include Klein, Schilling, or Esposito. But does the rest of the clan.
The members of the Memphis Mafia get a bad rap from people because they speak the truth and that is just too hard or some people to grasp. it was their story too and even tho I might not agree or believe everything they say or print, they are entitled to speak about whatever they want.
Elvis was a saint, a real mortal caring person with real feelings and emotions, but he was also a bad boy, who cussed, got totally strung out on pills and acted erractically. He was a complex man with an extremely addictive personality.
Ironically, it is Klien, Schilling and Esposito that sugarcoat the stories and are the true real Leeches, especially that money hungry Esposito, of the Memphis Mafia.
They even have the audacity to charge fans money just too have their pic taken with them for chrissakes !!!
The members of the Memphis Mafia get a bad rap from people because they speak the truth and that is just too hard or some people to grasp. it was their story too and even tho I might not agree or believe everything they say or print, they are entitled to speak about whatever they want.
The MM "get a bad rap'" because their stories constantly change.
They've had 30 years to "tell their stories" & they still can't get it right. And, they're still charging for it!!
Elvis did know other people. Let them speak too. What can it hurt??
How in the world could anyone hurt Elvis any more than they have??
I can" handle the truth". Question is ; why can't the MM?? What are they afraid of??Let everyone tell their story & the fans will just have to "sort it all out".......as always.
Elvis was not a saint, nor was he any worse than the rest of us. We all have our "demons to fight." For once ; let it all come out. We ALL need to shut up & listen for a change instead of just reacting.
Why would anyone want to get their pictures taken with the MM or any of them ?? They were nothing , if not for knowing Elvis. Amazing rationalization. :!:
elvislady
06-06-2007, 08:47 AM
Actually, what we do is research ALL stories about Elvis. You must have been gone the day I "came out " here. ;)
It's what some of us do....it's a lot of fun & very interesting.
We can't have negative people around though....nor anyone that thinks they know everything. There's just too many things to look at without "back stabbing" each other......
Think what you like meg.....it doesn't hurt me one bit....
Remember the Underground......I'd say you were there. . I remember several like you around.....too bad. IF we have anything to say about it; all that's going to come tumbling down.....
Sweet dreams, meg......:D
I agree ajr i research lots of things on elvis and other people and i enjoy doing it, there are still some things i pobebly dont know about EP but coming on this site and other forums it suprising what info you do learn about him.
elvislady:D (y)
I agree ajr i research lots of things on elvis and other people and i enjoy doing it, there are still some things i pobebly dont know about EP but coming on this site and other forums it suprising what info you do learn about him.
elvislady:D (y)
It seemed like the thing to do with so many different stories floating around out here ....but,it is a thankless job.;) Most already have their opinions formed after all this time. I don't really want to influence anyones opinion......just have everyone keep an open mind.....
Hard to do, I know. Oh well......
I'm sure there's many things I don't know. There's just too many involved "giving their stories. "
I really, really hate all the negative stuff I have to read through sometimes.
It makes me physically ill......I take a vacation, making sure I get lots of laughs ....it helps....:lol:
The MM "get a bad rap'" because their stories constantly change.
They've had 30 years to "tell their stories" & they still can't get it right. And, they're still charging for it!!
Elvis did know other people. Let them speak too. What can it hurt??
How in the world could anyone hurt Elvis any more than they have??
I can" handle the truth". Question is ; why can't the MM?? What are they afraid of??Let everyone tell their story & the fans will just have to "sort it all out".......as always.
Elvis was not a saint, nor was he any worse than the rest of us. We all have our "demons to fight." For once ; let it all come out. We ALL need to shut up & listen for a change instead of just reacting.
Why would anyone want to get their pictures taken with the MM or any of them ?? They were nothing , if not for knowing Elvis. Amazing rationalization. :!:
Perfectly said.(y)
King_Creole
06-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Elvis was not a saint
Uh, I know that, and my sarcastic reply went right over your head ...
Why would anyone want to get their pictures taken with the MM or any of them ?? They were nothing , if not for knowing Elvis. Amazing rationalization. :!: [/B]
Well if you happened to be in Memphis on any of the major anniversaries in the years past, and happened to bump into George Klein, Joe Esposito and Jerry Schilling and wanted a photo taken with them, they were actually charging fans money to do so !!!
You say, "Why would anyone want to get their pictures taken with the MM or any of them ?? " I agree, but why don't you ask the several hundred people down in memphis circling them at one of the meet and greet conventions and ask them ... ??;)
Well if you happened to be in Memphis on any of the major anniversaries in the years past, and happened to bump into George Klein, Joe Esposito and Jerry Schilling and wanted a photo taken with them, they were actually charging fans money to do so !!!
You say, "Why would anyone want to get their pictures taken with the MM or any of them ?? " I agree, but why don't you ask the several hundred people down in memphis circling them at one of the meet and greet conventions and ask them ... ??;)
If I took your comment wrong, sorry. :blush:
I've been to Memphis & "bumped into" some of them.
I just wasn't too impressed either.
They're only people just like the rest of us.
Some people believe, I guess....it takes them closer to EP.
IMO, nothing could be further from the truth. ;)
Tony Trout
06-07-2007, 07:38 AM
Sandi Pichon herself has claimed that Billy Miller is a fake and a liar. She never ever saw him around Elvis at all.
But, others have said they do remember Billy.
Just allow the man to write his story.......then the MM & whoever else can follow through on their threats. What does it matter ??????
A fake & a crook soon exposes themselves. Look at the "fake collectors" trying to sell things that supposedly was Elvis'. It WILL come out if he's lying !!
As to you, Meg ......only someone from the " Underground " would know all the hatred & anger you spout off. Say hello, To Smiley & Monroe for me. ;)
Talk about trash & mean !!
Sandi Pichon herself has claimed that Billy Miller is a fake and a liar. She never ever saw him around Elvis at all.
Yes I know that and he?s good friend with Dee Stanley and her boyfriend.That?s already enough trash:angry:
As to you, Meg ......only someone from the " Underground " would know all the hatred & anger you spout off. Say hello, To Smiley & Monroe for me.
Talk about trash & mean !
And you know it all!
:lol: :diespam: :lol:
:lol: :diespam: :lol:
:lame: I believe this is considered ::offtopic:
Grow up & let this thing die. Everyone else has; why not you ?
BM will be proven right or wrong. Who cares??
:lol: :diespam: :lol:
IF you want to spread hate & discontent......that's the mods. problem here .
But, I'd advise you to back off & leave me alone . :)
This is not the only place I know you from. :D
IF you want to spread hate & discontent......that's the mods. problem here .
But, I'd advise you to back off & leave me alone . :)
This is not the only place I know you from. :D
You know me?:lol: :lol: :lol:
I?m not (as you are)from the elvis alive world SO
Stop the nonsense!(n) (n) (n) (n) (n)
You know me?:lol: :lol: :lol:
I?m not (as you are)from the elvis alive world SO
Stop the nonsense!(n) (n) (n) (n) (n)
I've just been reading the posts you start......most are very negative & could just be considered gossip to get something started.
I'm for letting anyone write a book about Elvis . It's for us to decide what is true or not. The MM has had 30 years of "living off Elvis."
IMO, this is way off topic....PM me if you have anything to say to me personally
Yes, I do know you & others like you, unfortunately. :D
There is nothing to say!:!: :!: :!: :!:
Stop the nonsense! (n) (n) (n) (n) (n)
Donut
06-12-2007, 04:47 AM
Apparently this guy had on his website as one of his proof a letter signed by Frank Sinatra dated 2 june 2000, when Frank Sinatra died in 1998. He took it down after reading posts from Elvis fans saying the dates didn?t match and he has given some excuse like he had a contract with Sinatra too that ended the date the letter was signed and that it was a mistake Sinatra made, that they hadn?t realised untill now...
I don?t know what to do of this Billy Miller (not that I care too much) and maybe like jak I?m wrong but his claims sound science-fiction to me and his letter from Tom Parker and Elvis?contract completely childish.
Apparently this guy had on his website as one of his proof a letter signed by Frank Sinatra dated 2 june 2000, when Frank Sinatra died in 1998. He took it down after reading posts from Elvis fans saying the dates didn?t match and he has given some excuse like he had a contract with Sinatra too that ended the date the letter was signed and that it was a mistake Sinatra made, that they hadn?t realised untill now...
I don?t know what to do of this Billy Miller (not that I care too much) and maybe like jak I?m wrong but his claims sound science-fiction to me and his letter from Tom Parker and Elvis?contract completely childish.
I never could get that "document" open.....:doh:
Though a couple of my friends did.
I don't know Him personally myself......
I only see the MM don't want his book out here. Sorry, but in my suspicious mind ......I've got to wonder "why not??" They didn't try to stop anyone else with threats .....
I'll with hold my opinion until I can see for myself.....
Apparently this guy had on his website as one of his proof a letter signed by Frank Sinatra dated 2 june 2000, when Frank Sinatra died in 1998. He took it down after reading posts from Elvis fans saying the dates didn´t match and he has given some excuse like he had a contract with Sinatra too that ended the date the letter was signed and that it was a mistake Sinatra made, that they hadn´t realised untill now...
I don´t know what to do of this Billy Miller (not that I care too much) and maybe like jak I´m wrong but his claims sound science-fiction to me and his letter from Tom Parker and Elvis´contract completely childish.
I also wanted to correct the impression that the agreement was signed in 2000.http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/frank-sig-on-elvis-billy-retainer.gif
Personally......I hope he's telling the truth ....(y) :D
Though the "will " won't make anyone happy.....well, Cilla & Esposito ...:D
Donut
06-13-2007, 06:13 PM
I also wanted to correct the impression that the agreement was signed in 2000.http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/frank-sig-on-elvis-billy-retainer.gif
Personally......I hope he's telling the truth ....(y) :D
Though the "will " won't make anyone happy.....well, Cilla ...:D
What do you mean ajr? That wasn?t the document that was online until last sunday supposedly signed by Frank Sinatra...
What do you mean ajr? That wasn?t the document that was online until last sunday supposedly signed by Frank Sinatra...
I don't know...I couldn't get the darn thing open until I complained about it.......Then, yesterday.....a friend sent it to me .
That's all I know about it.....
The "will" got me ....:hmm: I know the attorney that drew up EP's will.
Well, the one filed anyway.
I've been trying to "run down" some signatures .
Who knows?? This will certaintly be an interesting August ....
Donut
06-13-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't know...I couldn't get the darn thing open until I complained about it.......Then, yesterday.....a friend sent it to me .
That's all I know about it.....
The "will" got me ....:hmm: I know the attorney that drew up EP's will.
Well, the one filed anyway.
I've been trying to "run down" some signatures .
Who knows?? This will certaintly be an interesting August ....
This is the one. I hope there?s no problem for posting the link with the moderators of this website... if it is just let me know ;) .
http://www.elvis-express.com/home.html
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/will-authentication1.gif
This is the one. I hope there?s no problem for posting the link with the moderators of this website... if it is just let me know ;) .
http://www.elvis-express.com/home.html
Thanks, Donut......
I just went & read it.....Darned if I know .....you might check his website.
I'd never seen one like it before, so it was kinda confusing to me. :blush: :blush:
Donut
06-14-2007, 03:47 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/will-authentication1.gif
What?s this ajr?
What?s this ajr?
I took this from BM's site . It's said to be a hand writing experts certification after reading the "missing will" that BM says he has a copy of & that the MM talked about. This is also discussed in Patrick Lacey's book: Elvis De-coded.
Discrepencies in the witness' signatures.....
Who knows?? PL book was the first I'd heard of any discrepencies about the will.....besides the MM, of course....;)
It's getting too muddled for me anymore. I'm beginning to think they're all nuts....
Donut
06-14-2007, 05:29 AM
I'm beginning to think they're all nuts....
Don?t doubt it even for a second :blink:
Donut
06-14-2007, 05:52 AM
I took this from BM's site . It's said to be a hand writing experts certification after reading the "missing will" that BM says he has a copy of & that the MM talked about. This is also discussed in Patrick Lacey's book: Elvis De-coded.
Discrepencies in the witness' signatures.....
Who knows?? PL book was the first I'd heard of any discrepencies about the will.....besides the MM, of course....;)
This is another "proof" from his website. LMAO I don?t know if I should laugh or cry.
http://elvispresleysecrets.com/elvisblog/?p=27
Yep, I saw that too......
There seems to be an on-going fight between BM & PL.
I just read an update on Lacey's site ......
Since, I'm not privy to what "really happened"......I'll just stand by & watch.......;) Will August 2007 ever get here .....??
Will it end , even then??
The note from Lisa takes the cake doesnt it.How could anyone take this guy seriously?
Jak
presley
06-14-2007, 06:52 AM
don't know what to believe to be honest.
Well, Presley......I'm just reading & watching people trying to "one-up" the other ....I'm doubting we'll ever know the "real" truth until someone comes along that has no "agenda" but to sort through all the BS coming from everywhere . In which case...I guess I'm neutral right now & willing to listen to everyone. ;)
presley
06-14-2007, 07:19 AM
I'am keeping a open mind on this one, thats all we can do.
Rhinestone
06-14-2007, 08:49 AM
I'am keeping a open mind on this one, thats all we can do.
That's what I'm trying to do. For me, some of Patrick Lacy's arguments against these documents don't hold water and can be logically explained. But then again, there are some troubling issues. Example, what year did Elvis Presley Ent. and Graceland begin being referred to as business entities? I didn't think that happened until after 1977.
Another question I struggle with; Why would anyone put themselves at risk legally, subject themselves to public ridicule and harassment by creating fraudulant documents? I can't think it's because he thinks it'll make him rich...these kind of books don't normally do well although there have been a couple of exceptions. Public ridicule and exposure is a high price to pay for trying to gain riches.
I just don't know....guess time will tell.
Diane
06-14-2007, 09:05 AM
I have to go with Jak, that note from Lisa does take the cake. These guys don't care about ridicule, just about the $$$$ they'll make. I'm beginning to think self respect is totally passe....
What really did it for me is that "will". Can anyone really believe he would leave everything to Lisa (can understand that), but the rest to Priscilla, the Colonel and Joe and nothing to his Dad "because he hurt my mom". How old does anyone think Elvis was when that was supposedly written - 5 or 6??? C'mon people!:blink:
Diane
Rhinestone
06-14-2007, 09:31 AM
Diane, I agree that claims about the will don't make sense...good grief, the Colonel after all the conflict Elvis had with him? And we're to believe that Elvis wouldn't have made provision for relatives living at Graceland?
I just checked out Billy Miller's website for the first time.I hadnt checked it out previously because I knew he was full of it.I just didnt know how much he was full of it until I checked it out.Those documents are the biggest jokes I've ever seen.They appear to have been written by a child.Talk about amateurish and pathetic.The one from the Col to him made me laugh out loud.I pray that nobody believes any of his nonsense.Guys like him are able to feed off a section of Elvis' fan base that just cant accept the facts about Elvis' life as they stand.They have to search out conspiracies and revisionist theories on everything.Why anybody with common sense would give that guy the time of day is beyond me.He's almost bad as Elvis' cousin who recently said Elvis didnt die in 77 and they were married some time ago.Why does Elvis attract so many *****s?
Jak
Why does Elvis attract so many *****s?
Jak
I've been asked the same question about some that post on this site. ;) I guess Elvis just feels sorry for us.
Diane
06-14-2007, 10:08 AM
I don't care how many people write truth or lies about Elvis - can't stop them and they can't hurt him anymore so why agonize over it? They are the ones who have to live with themselves.
I worry more about how it all affects Lisa more than us fans, some of which act like they own him, but I think she's had so much of it all her life that she has found a way to handle it and put it aside. What does bother me is the lack of common sense from the people who read this trash and believe every word. Why can't we put it aside too? If there was no interest in them, they'd eventually die out.
Diane
presley
06-14-2007, 10:24 AM
we can't say for sure cause we don't know, that does look like lisa hand writing when she was younger
I don't care how many people write truth or lies about Elvis - they can't hurt him anymore so why agonize over it? Diane
Sorry, ....Gotta disagree on this one.
It's precisely because we all looked the other way ....this stuff still goes on.
Because we allowed some to laugh & make fun of him & us .
I'm not agonizing; just speaking up for him & his fans.
Rhinestone
06-14-2007, 11:37 AM
For me it's important to expose the lies, especially when the person isn't around to defend or speak for him/herself.
I'll defend anyone's right to tell their story and in turn I have the right to question their story. People who write trash and untruth will never go way no matter how much we ignore them. People will be more likely to believe everything they read or are told unless stories are carefully examined and the facts presented.
And, sometimes truth is suppressed, by any and all means, when something doesn't line up with what's historically been accepted as truth.
Diane
06-14-2007, 12:26 PM
That's the trouble, how can you expose the lies and stop them from publishing whatever they want? This is a country that believes in free press. A handful of people who talk about suppressing them isn't going to change a thing.
Maybe my mind is just slanted differently but a person would have to be able to come up with a heck of a lot of solid proof to discredit these people and I'm not convinced it can be done.
That's why I feel the alternative is NOT to buy what they sell and when others see there is no money in it, why would they keep trying?
I'm willing to be convinced.........Diane
For me it's important to expose the lies, especially when the person isn't around to defend or speak for him/herself.
I'll defend anyone's right to tell their story and in turn I have the right to question their story. People who write trash and untruth will never go way no matter how much we ignore them. People will be more likely to believe everything they read or are told unless stories are carefully examined and the facts presented.
And, sometimes truth is suppressed, by any and all means, when something doesn't line up with what's historically been accepted as truth.
Truer words were never spoken. While everyone has the right to tell their story {once preferably;) } So are we obligated to look for the truth.....whereever we may find it & whatever it may cost us.
As an authour, You've had some "suppression problems " yourself I hear. :'(
presley
06-14-2007, 01:23 PM
Thats the big problem we really don't know the turth, everything we know is all here say, so we have to make up our minds on what to believe and etc.
Rhinestone
06-14-2007, 01:24 PM
That's the trouble, how can you expose the lies and stop them from publishing whatever they want? This is a country that believes in free press. A handful of people who talk about suppressing them isn't going to change a thing.
Maybe my mind is just slanted differently but a person would have to be able to come up with a heck of a lot of solid proof to discredit these people and I'm not convinced it can be done.
That's why I feel the alternative is NOT to buy what they sell and when others see there is no money in it, why would they keep trying?
I'm willing to be convinced.........Diane
Well, we can't and shouldn't try to suppress books, but we do have the personal choice of buying or not buying certain books. Some have deep convictions about certain subjects, and no book could ever change their minds....and they would not buy the book unless it coincided with their beliefs. For those who don't have a strong opinion, but are interested in the subject matter, how would they determine if something is true or not if they didn't have the opportunity to examine the story?
Yes, it is darn near impossible at times to come up with rock solid proof of a story's validity, but it can be done. But even then, most people will still choose to believe what they want to believe.
Diane
06-14-2007, 01:25 PM
That's it right there Presley(y)
Who has the time, money and resources to go and discredit someone's book???
Diane
Thats the big problem we really don't the turth, everything we know is all here say, so we have to make up our minds on what to believe and etc.
Boy, I sure agree with that !!;)
IF I had the money & the time .....I guess I'd go see for myself.;)
It would be very hard after 30 years ....and the problem here would be the ones that "really know" something....just don't talk. So, we're left with the rest that say what they've found out will sell.....
A sad example of human nature. :'(
In the end; I guess we just have to trust what our heart tells us.:D
presley
06-14-2007, 02:07 PM
Boy, I sure agree with that !!;)
IF I had the money & the time .....I guess I'd go see for myself.;)
It would be very hard after 30 years ....and the problem here would be the ones that "really know" something....just don't talk. So, we're left with the rest that say what they've found out will sell.....
A sad example of human nature. :'(
In the end; I guess we just have to trust what our heart tells us.:D
I agree with that Ajr:D
Rhinestone
06-14-2007, 02:13 PM
EPE did exist in 1969, as it says in the contract between Billy M. and Elvis....I received this reply from EPE:
Elvis actually had a company called Elvis Presley Enterprises in his lifetime. His EPE was started way back in
1954/55 when Bob Neal was his manager.
Graceland opened for tours June 7, 1982.
Here is a link to the history of the company we know today as EPE:
(http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/history/elvis_estate.asp)
Archives Staff
Diane
06-14-2007, 02:18 PM
Thank you Rhinestone for your forthright response and for not judging me. Yes, we certainly do have the personal right to buy or not to buy a certain book.
Also no, books in general should not be suppressed, but they can be ignored. It would violate our democratic rights to suppress. I believe now and then there is one that should be but who has the right to decide that? The government could certainly do it, other people in high places, but ordinary people would have to have unusually strong support from the above, time, money, resources as I stated before.
This particular book feels bad to me because of the posts and info I've read about it and therefore have made the choice not to buy it (ignore it). That's it on this thread for me........Diane
As stated earlier the fans cannot stop books from being written or sold.It's a free country.Youre action is not to buy the stuff and encourage others to do the same.I keep hearing phrases like I wasnt there,wheres the proof and so on.The same goes for discrediting a nut like Miller.Not a single person here has any firsthand knowledge of Elvis' personal life.I feel very comfortable saying Miller is a con man,yet he could look me in the eye and say you werent there so how do you know?He is free to write whatever he wants short of slander.Just dont buy the garbage.
Jak
Thank you Rhinestone for your forthright response and for not judging me. Yes, we certainly do have the personal right to buy or not to buy a certain book.
Also no, books in general should not be suppressed, but they can be ignored. It would violate our democratic rights to suppress. I believe now and then there is one that should be but who has the right to decide that? The government could certainly do it, other people in high places, but ordinary people would have to have unusually strong support from the above, time, money, resources as I stated before.
This particular book feels bad to me because of the posts and info I've read about it and therefore have made the choice not to buy it (ignore it). That's it on this thread for me........Diane
Well said(y)
Thank you Rhinestone for your forthright response and for not judging me. Yes, we certainly do have the personal right to buy or not to buy a certain book.
Also no, books in general should not be suppressed, but they can be ignored. It would violate our democratic rights to suppress. I believe now and then there is one that should be but who has the right to decide that? The government could certainly do it, other people in high places, but ordinary people would have to have unusually strong support from the above, time, money, resources as I stated before.
I hope you do not feel "judged" by me or anyone . It's just something I enjoy doing & look at it as a mystery to be solved.
Unfortunately, books are removed { judged} from our libraries & schools all the time. It's hard to walk that fine line of the "moral majority"
I still can't decide if I agree with that or not. :hmm:
EPE did exist in 1969, as it says in the contract between Billy M. and Elvis....I received this reply from EPE:
Elvis actually had a company called Elvis Presley Enterprises in his lifetime. His EPE was started way back in
1954/55 when Bob Neal was his manager.
Graceland opened for tours June 7, 1982.
Here is a link to the history of the company we know today as EPE:
(http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/history/elvis_estate.asp)
Archives Staff
Thanks for asking about this. I sure didn't know; though I remember "some kind" of entity Elvis had from the beginning.
Rhinestone
06-14-2007, 03:16 PM
Diane, I do respect your postion and viewpoints.
presley
06-14-2007, 04:04 PM
This is so nice that we can agree and disagree without heated discussions.
Quite a difference, huh, presley......;)
IMO, this is the differece between a "debate" & a "discussion ".
To me; a debate means someone is telling their side trying to show the other side just how right they are. And vice versa.....
To me; discussions are much better ......everyone still has their own opinion & it's ok.....:D
presley
06-14-2007, 04:58 PM
thats so true Ajr
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