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I saw this in the Memphis Commercial Appeal online this morning. This gives us a more clearer picture of what to expect in the soon coming changes at Graceland. However notice the part that I highlighted in bold. The "new attractions" makes you wonder what exactly they mean by that. It's as if something is being hidden behind that statement while everything else is described. Yesterday I saw over at FECC about this new buyout that Bob Sillerman and Simon Cowell are involved in and about the details. It includes marketing and constructing Elvis themed parks in that deal.:supriced:
Graceland kingdom expansion hinges on public funds
By David Williams
Contact
June 2, 2007
Elvis Presley's Graceland kingdom would be totally transformed -- the king's mansion aside -- in a $250 million improvement plan led by CKX Inc. chief executive Robert F.X. Sillerman.
There would be a new boutique convention hotel, a potential second hotel, a new visitors center, new attractions and new shops within five years -- provided local and state governments commit to an unidentified amount of funding, as Sillerman hopes will happen within the month.
"I think they recognize that we're blessed with an attraction like Graceland. There's really nothing like it in the world," Sillerman said Friday, after it was announced that publicly traded CKX is being taken private in a buyout he's leading.
"With the kind of investment we're prepared to make, in partnership with the jurisdictions, we really could have a significant impact on the entire region.
"They recognize it and we're thrilled about it."
Shelby County Mayor A C Wharton also expressed optimism about the project, without specifically addressing the funding issue.
"This significant private investment will have a positive impact on the community as a whole, but it also dovetails into our existing efforts to further enhance the vitality of the Whitehaven community," Wharton said in a statement. "The company's commitment will facilitate our efforts to attract additional businesses and biomedical companies to the corridor and assist in the development of our aerotropolis strategy.
"We look forward to working with the company, other local officials and the people of the Whitehaven community to bring this plan to fruition."
On the city side, chief financial officer Robert Lipscomb referred questions about public funding to Mayor Willie Herenton. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.
There have been ongoing talks between EPE and public officials, including a March meeting attended by Sillerman, Wharton, Herenton, Lipscomb, members of the Memphis Regional Chamber and Priscilla Presley.
Also, the City Council asked the Herenton administration to develop a plan for a Center City Commission-like board to oversee the redevelopment of the area, which includes Memphis International Airport and Brooks Road.
Although plagued by decay, the area also is home to three of the city's key industries -- distribution and logistics, medical device manufacturing and tourism and entertainment.
"We need a lot of help from the community," said Jack Soden, Elvis Presley Enterprises CEO. "It wouldn't work to think in terms of this 100-acre campus and pouring a tremendous investment in here and just hoping things work out OK for Elvis Presley Boulevard and Whitehaven.
"It all has to be integrated -- the Brooks Road initiative, Elvis Presley Boulevard, the whole community. We want to be the catalyst for just a huge rebirth, redevelopment of the whole Whitehaven area."
Sillerman, asked if government funding is essential to his plan, said, "That's exactly right."
Sillerman paid $100 million for an 85-percent stake in EPE in a deal announced in December 2004. He vowed to transform what had been run as a "family business," using a "risk-oriented and expansive approach."
During a February 2006 visit to Memphis, Sillerman talked of doubling Graceland's total of 600,000 annual visitors and said the late King of Rock and Roll's home should "take its logical place as one of the great attractions in America, like Disneyland or Universal theme parks."
Toward that goal, EPE and affiliated companies have been gobbling up real estate, and now own or control more than 100 acres around the mansion.
The companies have spent more than $13 million on property since January 2006, including a 182-unit apartment complex and former car dealership.
Friday's announcement that CKX -- which also owns rights to the Muhammad Ali name and the "American Idol" TV show -- is going private could speed up the Memphis project.
That's because while CKX goes private, an affiliated company, FX Luxury Realty LLC, would pursue the Elvis-related real estate projects around Graceland -- as well a hotel and casino development in Las Vegas.
"It was frankly too big a project for a company like CKX," said Sillerman, who built billion-dollar entertainment empires with radio stations and concert promotions. "What we have created is an opportunity for the real estate development company to do that. Assuming we have appropriate cooperation from the city, county and state, this actually should speed up the regeneration, if you will, of the area surrounding Graceland."
I cannot say that Whitehaven & all around Graceland doesn't need cleaning up. It surely does......At night, it can be dangerous especially.
Like all things pertaining to Sillerman....we'll just have to wait & see.
He's made a lot of money....did he hinder or improve the places/things he bought & made his money from?? I've never researched him that far.
He obviously can help the city of Memphis & that neighborhood. Will he enhance or hurt Elvis?? I have no idea.
Our concern is about Elvis; as we look to the man.....unfortunately, Elvis has been turned into a commodity long ago. I really hate that. :'(
Short of coming up with millions of dollars to buy them all out ...it appears all we can do is show our dis -satisfaction at anything outrageous they might do. Hold your breath; we might all be in for a bumpy ride ......;)
starting August 2007.
If this is any indication of the type of boutique hotel that Bob Sillerman is planning to build then we are in for a smoother ride than we anticipated. This is absolutely gorgeous! It's called the Biltmore Boutique Hotel in Coral Gables, FL. It has a spa, tennis courts, and a golf course. Imagine something similar to this breathtaking resort across from Graceland with a newly revamped view of the home 5 years from now.
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toffe
06-02-2007, 01:39 PM
Wow, BIG :D
If this is any indication of the type of boutique hotel that Bob Sillerman is planning to build then we are in for a smoother ride than we anticipated. This is absolutely gorgeous! It's called the Biltmore Boutique Hotel in Coral Gables, FL. It has a spa, tennis courts, and a golf course. Imagine something similar to this breathtaking resort across from Graceland with a newly revamped view of the home 5 years from now.
http://images.alliedtpro.com/images/JDBP/US/FL/CORAL_GABLES/MCGH100/MCGH100_exterior_001.jpeg
Now that would be impressive . I like !!
The "clean-up " & revamping of Graceland . Sounds good . :supriced:
Gosh ,I hope everyone gets to go to Graceland .....at least once.
Looking at what isn't there now when it comes to attractions and at what should be there to attract newer fans and to make it more of the complete EP experience, this is what I believe we will see as the "new attractions" at Graceland within the next 5 years.
1)A new state of the art museum and attraction.- This is definitely needed and in my personal opinion should be top priority as the main new attraction. The current one (Sincerely Elvis) is too small and outdated and lack style and appeal. They need something eye catching and unique like the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Museum in Cleveland, or the Country Music Hall Of Fame Museum in Nashville. Priscilla has already stated that they will be getting their dream facility (museum) that would display the entire world of EP with the new expansions. This would be the ideal attraction that would attract new fans and non fans to Graceland.
2)An Imax Theater- This too is needed with keeping up with modern day times and technology. All major museum attractions like the Science Museum in NY, Children's Museum in Indianapolis, and Space & Rocket Center here in Huntsville all have Imax theaters as a major attraction for the kids and young adults. This would be attractive with Aloha From Hawaii, That's The Way It Is, Elvis On Tour and other special productions by EPE/CKX in the future on the giant digital screen. And now with some of EP's movies going into HD format for the first time then this would become even more useful. It would be a major attraction and would be a great way to introduce EP to newer fans.
3)EP Themed restaurant- This is something that should be included in the new plans. I saw in the new deal with FXLR that restaurants and clubs are included in their marketing themed projects.
4)A newly expanded Automobile museum- One of the hottest attractions for the teenagers would be EP's cars and motorcycles. There are many of EP's personal vehicles missing and not on display at Graceland. Now that they have the money, they should put together a search firm to locate these special cars such as the yellow Pentara, his tour bus, and you could even go further and include his hearse. I know to some that may seem tacky but that would be a big attraction to many including the media. It would be the last vehicle in rode in on this earth.
5)The Lisa Marie and Hound Dog 2 Jets-These two planes need to be indoors in a large hanger like building, preferably the new museum. Not outside rusting in heat and rain. On rainy days some fans who tour Graceland never get to see the planes.
srj1967
06-03-2007, 09:58 AM
Man, I would hate to see a hotel-style complex of that magnitude be built around Graceland. It is hideous!!! (n)
Whatever is to be done in future, it needs to be kept on a relatively small scale (physically), just like the mansion itself. I'm not saying Graceland and the surrounds don't need a cleanup, but the US doesn't need a second Disneyland!
And we don't need to see theme park rides there either! :angry: I can imagine few things worse than that scenario.
And I have no objection to more hotels, but I think the Graceland area has enough already. Surely, they could build them away from the mansion? I, for one, don't want to see Graceland turned into some bizarre facsimile of Vegas!
I said at the time of the Sillerman sale that it was the "beginning of the end", and nothing delivered from this group has so far convinced me otherwise.
I'll be at Graceland at the end of this month for the first time in 19 years, so I will have more of an opinion then; based on comparisons to 1988 and other things.
But I don't like it so far; I just don't like what's being done to that wonderful place ...
srj1967
06-03-2007, 10:11 AM
.. and you could even go further and include his hearse. I know to some that may seem tacky but that would be a big attraction to many including the media. It would be the last vehicle in rode in on this earth.
No, no, NO!
What a ghastly idea! Besides, if the hearse is still in service (doubtful), it would belong to the funeral company. Why would anyone want to see that? There would have been hundreds of bodies in it after Elvis', so there'd be nothing really to associate it with The King.
The last vehicle Elvis rode in on this earth was his '73 Stutz Bearcat. The hearse only carried his dead body.
Ghastly, ghastly idea ... (n) (n) (n) (n) (n)
Looking at what isn't there now when it comes to attractions and at what should be there to attract newer fans and to make it more of the complete EP experience, this is what I believe we will see as the "new attractions" at Graceland within the next 5 years.
1)A new state of the art museum and attraction.- This is definitely needed and in my personal opinion should be top priority as the main new attraction. The current one (Sincerely Elvis) is too small and outdated and lack style and appeal. They need something eye catching and unique like the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Museum in Cleveland, or the Country Music Hall Of Fame Museum in Nashville. Priscilla has already stated that they will be getting their dream facility (museum) that would display the entire world of EP with the new expansions. This would be the ideal attraction that would attract new fans and non fans to Graceland.
2)An Imax Theater- This too is needed with keeping up with modern day times and technology. All major museum attractions like the Science Museum in NY, Children's Museum in Indianapolis, and Space & Rocket Center here in Huntsville all have Imax theaters as a major attraction for the kids and young adults. This would be attractive with Aloha From Hawaii, That's The Way It Is, Elvis On Tour and other special productions by EPE/CKX in the future on the giant digital screen. And now with some of EP's movies going into HD format for the first time then this would become even more useful. It would be a major attraction and would be a great way to introduce EP to newer fans.
3)EP Themed restaurant- This is something that should be included in the new plans. I saw in the new deal with FXLR that restaurants and clubs are included in their marketing themed projects.
4)A newly expanded Automobile museum- One of the hottest attractions for the teenagers would be EP's cars and motorcycles. There are many of EP's personal vehicles missing and not on display at Graceland. Now that they have the money, they should put together a search firm to locate these special cars such as the yellow Pentara, his tour bus, and you could even go further and include his hearse. I know to some that may seem tacky but that would be a big attraction to many including the media. It would be the last vehicle in rode in on this earth.
5)The Lisa Marie and Hound Dog 2 Jets-These two planes need to be indoors in a large hanger like building, preferably the new museum. Not outside rusting in heat and rain. On rainy days some fans who tour Graceland never get to see the planes.
The things you have mentioned wouldn't hurt Graceland at all ,IMO.
I can't see any "theme parks" etc .mentioned here.
I'd have to agree that none of the "circus typr" things should be included though.
So too, the things you mention would have to be "scaled to size" in order to have Graceland front & center to everything.
I was at Graceland 2 years ago....& it's falling apart as it's left there to deteriorate. :'( I really hope , if Lisa can't do it ,she'll allow someone to repair it & clean it up.
No, no, NO!
What a ghastly idea! Besides, if the hearse is still in service (doubtful), it would belong to the funeral company. Why would anyone want to see that? There would have been hundreds of bodies in it after Elvis', so there'd be nothing really to associate it with The King.
The last vehicle Elvis rode in on this earth was his '73 Stutz Bearcat. The hearse only carried his dead body.
Ghastly, ghastly idea ... (n) (n) (n) (n) (n)
GOOD LORD !! I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SRJ ON THIS ONE !! *** ARE THEY THINKING ???????????THE MEDIA HAS DONE QUITE ENOUGH TO ELVIS , IMO !!
JUST STOP ALL THE BS ......(n) (n) (n)
SHOW SOME :respect: :respect: :respect:
HE IS NOT AN ANIMAL IN A ZOO !!
IF YOU KNOW SILLERMAN : PASS OUR COMMENTS ON !!
srj1967
06-03-2007, 10:28 AM
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SRJ ON THIS ONE !!
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The hearse was just a thought. But I believe it went out of commission after EP died as it was a historical hearse then and no longer used after that. I believe someone in Memphis bought it. My friend Lakeisha told me a couple months ago that from what she heard was that a theme park could be built down the road in Whitehaven as part of the redeveloping of that area. But it won't be at Graceland. I think she said it would be about a mile or so down the road. They will definitely have to upgrade the entire area and bring in new attractions such as I listed in order for this to make any profit back from the $250,000,000.00 that it is going to cost Bob Sillerman and EPE.
The Disney comparisons are based solely on the fact that Disney is a resort and attraction that brings in millions of visitors a year and is known for its beautiful facilities and layout. I do believe that the changes will include mass newcoming changes to the area across from Graceland and down the road.
I use Google Earth to get a better idea of what the changes will be and from my understanding there is enough land along EP Boulevard to build 4 Superdome stadiums side by side. So there is a tremendous amount of newly purchased land to redevelop that entire space into something amazing and appealing attractions to new fans and non fans who are interested or curious. And from what has been written in the above article and the previous articles on this issues, I get the feeling that by 2012 Graceland and EP Boulevard and the entire area won't be recognizable as it is today. When you talk of government funding for redevelopment, you are talking about buying up residential property, and neighborhoods being demolished and land sold to redevelopers as expensive real estate for redevelopment. Those who currently live bordering the Graceland estate will no longer have that right once this is all done. That is why the local and state government are being included in this. They have to be the ones to buy out the residents for this to happen the way Bob Sillerman wants it to.
Don't feel to sorry for those who will have to sell their homes. They will get double for what it's worth and can better their own lifestyles after this in a better community than what Whitehaven is today.
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Sometimes you just say such intelligent things......;) (y)
The hearse was just a thought.
Don't feel to sorry for those who will have to sell their homes. They will get double for what it's worth and can better their own lifestyles after this in a better community than what Whitehaven is today.
Just tell them to re-think the hearse thought. :angry:
I thought it was stolen & found wrecked someplace a long time ago ??
I don't feel sorry for the residents exactly.....I do understand urban renewal.
Realize they'll get more than their property is worth. I just hope any older residents are not forced out if they've lived there all their lives .
I DO know someone that lives there.....but, only after Elvis passed.
Well, it's yet to be seen just how this all might affect EP.
We'll be watching.....;)
Anyone that hasn't been to Graceland yet, I encourage you to go somehow.
It might be "cleaner & better" when all this is done......but, it can't & won't be the same .....IMO.
Tommy
06-03-2007, 01:09 PM
Goral Gables Biltmore Hotel History - 1926 Mediterranean Revival hotel (see photo at bottom of the page)
This hotel was not built by Sillerman.
A Storied Name In Miami Luxury Hotels, Boasting A Rich History And Tradition
As the creator of Coral Gables, land developer George E. Merrick also founded the University of Miami, and developed the suburbs with strict building codes to ensure the beautiful surroundings. Coral Gables is a largely residential, affluent area graced with broad, planted boulevards, golf courses, and country clubs. Stately Mediterranean homes, Banyan trees, and tropical foliage line its quiet streets. The thriving business district is also home to over 150 multinational companies and multinational headquarters.
In 1925, young Merrick joined forces with Biltmore hotel magnate John McEntee Bowman at the height of the Florida land boom to build "a great hotel...which would not only serve as a hostelry to the crowds which were thronging to Coral Gables but also would serve as a center of sports and fashion." In January 1926, ten months and $10 million dollars later, The Biltmore hotel debuted with a magnificent inaugural that brought people down from northern cities on trains marked "Miami Biltmore Specials." The Giralda Tower was lit for the first time and the champagne corks popped as the guests fox-trotted to the sounds of jazz, all in celebration of the birth of our Miami luxury hotel resort.
In its heyday, this Miami luxury resort played host to royalty, both Europe's and Hollywood's. The hotel counted the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, Ginger Rogers, Judy Garland, Bing Crosby, Al Capone and assorted Roosevelts and Vanderbilts as frequent guests. Fashion shows, gala balls, aquatic shows by the grand pool and weddings were de rigueur as were world class golf tournaments. A product of the Jazz Age, big bands entertained wealthy, well-traveled visitors to this American Riviera resort.
The Biltmore made it through the nation's economic lulls in the late 1920's and early 1930's by hosting aquatic galas that kept the hotel in the spotlight and drew the crowds. As many as three thousand would come out on a Sunday afternoon to watch the synchronized swimmers, bathing beauties, alligator wrestling and the young Jackie Ott, the boy wonder who would dive from an eighty-five foot platform. Johnny Weissmuller, prior to his tree-swinging days in Hollywood, broke the world record at the Biltmore pool and was a swimming instructor. Families would attend the shows and many would dress up and go tea dancing afterwards on the hotel's grand terrace to the sounds of swinging orchestras.
In 1973, through the Historic Monuments Act and Legacy of Parks program, the City of Coral Gables was granted ownership control of The Biltmore. In 1983, the City oversaw its full restoration to be opened as a grand hotel. Almost four years and $55 million later, The Biltmore opened on December 31, 1987 as a first-class Miami Florida luxury hotel. Over 600 guests turned out to honor the historic Biltmore at a black tie affair.
In June of 1992, a multinational consortium led by Seaway Hotels Corporation, a Florida hotel management company, officially became the new operators of the Biltmore under a long term management lease with the City of Coral Gables, and again made significant refurbishments to the property.
Seaway invested in new lighting and telephone systems, computer systems throughout, repairs to the pool, furnishings, a complete guestroom renovation program and also remodeled a space into a state-of-the-art health club and spa. At the 1926 gala opening of the Miami Biltmore Country Club, Dr. Frank Crane predicted that "many people will come and go, but this structure will remain a thing of lasting beauty." He was right and in 1996, the hotel celebrated yet another milestone in its illustrious history --the 70th anniversary of this grand South Florida monument and an official designation by the Federal Government as a National Historic Landmark, an elite title offered to only 3% of all historic structures on the National Register of Historic Places.
Today, The Biltmore proudly boasts a four-star, four-diamond ranking and is one of only several resorts in South Florida recognized as a National Historic Landmark. 2006 welcomed the hotel's 80th anniversary and the beginning of a new millennium, a future marked with opportunity for this local legend.
Reflecting the passion and vitality of one of America?s most exciting cities, the Biltmore has been a favorite of world leaders, celebrities, and sports stars since the 1920s. Showcasing championship golf, cosmopolitan dining, a breathtaking spa, and premier conference facilities, it is the ultimate Florida destination resort.
Diane
06-03-2007, 01:18 PM
I agree, as beautiful as the above resort is something of that magnitude would completely dwarf Graceland and make it look insignificant in comparison. Something smaller and more colonial or victorian would be much more appropriate.
Diane
Tommy
06-03-2007, 01:20 PM
I do believe and am sorry to see all this taking place with all this new developing. It will deminish Graceland. If anything it would be nice to see the site (view) across the street from Graceland as it was when Elvis brought it. Some historic buildings do not allow the view to be changed from cross or around it. But sad to say it's all about dollars.
Miss Clawdy
06-03-2007, 01:31 PM
Man, I would hate to see a hotel-style complex of that magnitude be built around Graceland. It is hideous!!! (n)
Whatever is to be done in future, it needs to be kept on a relatively small scale (physically), just like the mansion itself. I'm not saying Graceland and the surrounds don't need a cleanup, but the US doesn't need a second Disneyland!
And we don't need to see theme park rides there either! :angry: I can imagine few things worse than that scenario.
And I have no objection to more hotels, but I think the Graceland area has enough already. Surely, they could build them away from the mansion? I, for one, don't want to see Graceland turned into some bizarre facsimile of Vegas!
I said at the time of the Sillerman sale that it was the "beginning of the end", and nothing delivered from this group has so far convinced me otherwise.
I'll be at Graceland at the end of this month for the first time in 19 years, so I will have more of an opinion then; based on comparisons to 1988 and other things.
But I don't like it so far; I just don't like what's being done to that wonderful place ...
I totally agree with you, they are going to ruin all the spirit of Graceland. Who needed changes during the last 30 years??? There's nothing to say against maintaining the Mansion, there should be enough money there;)
I can only hope that I will manage to visit Graceland as it is now...just about Elvis left it :king:
Miss Clawdy
06-03-2007, 01:33 PM
I do believe and am sorry to see all this taking place with all this new developing. It will deminish Graceland. If anything it would be nice to see the site (view) across the street from Graceland as it was when Elvis brought it. Some historic buildings do not allow the view to be changed from cross or around it. But sad to say it's all about dollars.
You are so right
(y) :clap: (y) :clap: (y)
Let me explain some things for a moment.
1)I never said Bob Sillerman built the Biltmore Hotel. I know he didn't. I used it as an example of what a Boutique hotel is that Sillerman is planning to build across from Graceland. There's going to be a resort and spa and that is what this Biltmore has. In other words it'll probably have tennis courts, indoor/outdoor pool, spa, and customer friendly atmosphere from hotel staff.
2)I have been to Graceland only once and that was back in 1995. I wasn't that impressed with the surrounding area and neighborhood. And today it is considered a bad part of the city. It was as if the mansion just popped up out of nowhere. The compound wasn't that impressive either. The Plaza is old looking and definitely looks like it fits in with the run down area. That's why it must go and the entire complex redeveloped and upgraded. Graceland never has updated that area across the street and instead just let it go.
3)The changes coming will do more good than bad for EP, his image and legacy. There won't be any roller coasters at Graceland. There won't be any theme park there either. But what it will have is much better facilities and new attractions like I listed above and that are mentioned in the article. I am 34 years old and in some ways still a kid inside. So for me I want to see excitement the next time I go there with modern day technology describing the life and times of EP as I would at any other historical location or tourist attraction. The Graceland experience is dull and somewhat boring. So imagine how dull and boring it is to the kids. They can now spice it up and make it FUN to all and money isn't an issue. Elvis is the biggest star ever and he deserves the best. Just as Micky has with the Disney franchise and attractions. So the Graceland looking like Disneyland doesnt scare me to think that they are doing anything to disrespect EP with the changes. If anyone wants to complain about disrespecting him then look no further than EPE's ducks and shoes and whatever tacky items they sell. That's disrespectful to his image right there.(n)
4)Graceland doesn't today look anything like it did when he died. But the plans are to revamp it back to what it did look like back in 1977 including remodeling the Trophy building and restoring it back to its originality as a racquetball court and lounge.
5)Graceland needs these changes. The original fans won't be around too much longer. By the time this is all completed, most will be gone or too old to travel to Memphis. So it won't effect them at all. The new changes will bring in a whole new audience and fanbase. EP and Graceland will need the younger and newer fans to survive the next generation and continue to be a money making machine. From the way it was going, EP and Graceland were like in neutral and not going anywhere but staying on the safe side of the fence. Sillerman wants to double or triple the yearly visitors. And in order to doing that these changes are definitely needed.
I'm perfectly happy to let you young people "re-build it & clean it up. ";)
I'm not one that believes change is bad or things should "stay the same".
It's quite obvious the only thing we can be sure of in life; is change.
So long as it is done with respect & love; something people have been complaining about EPE not doing for years. You have my blessing.
There comes a time when "the younger generation" has to take over .
I'd say :go to Memphis now & then go back when this is done....
You'll hear from me even if I have to come haunting you ;) if anything is done to show dis-respect or make fun of Elvis. :)
He's really been put through the "rumor mill."
You see, in a "fans eyes " ,he's still around & we think of him as a person.
I know he's become a commodity {happened long ago} , but just treat him & his fans with love & respect & we'll help you do anything. (y)
Good luck to Sillerman....it's way past time someone cleaned up that part of town & Graceland.
I'm sure he has arcitects, etc. & Memphis will keep a tight reign on him....
It's your baby; treat it as you would your mama ......:D
Miss Clawdy
06-03-2007, 03:30 PM
Then Elvis' birthplace in Tupelo should also be changed....
maybe into a modern architectural steel construction....
and for the new younger fans one could re enact Elvis' birth....
so that they can watch it of course in an IMAX Theatre....
:'(
Pretty rude & crude, dotcha think, Miss Claudy??
The man says Graceland will be cleaned up & repaired !! That's all.
It's something Lisa should have taken care of. She hasn't & doesn't seem concerened about it.
I was there just 2 years ago.....the foundation was crumbling, the material on the walls...you touch it , it falls off in your hands.
Someone has to clean it up & repair it !! His family won't .
Maybe you'd like to do it?? :hmm:
I'm constantly amazed at the hatefulness to new people and/or new ideas.
I've met some truly great fans . But, I've also met some "fans" that are down right rude & just mean spirited. I don't understand those kind.
Miss Clawdy
06-03-2007, 04:38 PM
If I were Lisa or the family I certainly would repair Graceland whenever it is needed, unfortunatelly I don't have the money to do it myself:'(
What I said may sound rude, but turning Graceland and its surroundings into a second Disneyland or Vegas sounds a lot more horrible to me.
And why do they want to do this? As always for money(n)
They want to double or triple visitors....this would mean about 4000 people a day walking through Graceland....what fun:hmm:
By David Williams
Contact
June 2, 2007
]Elvis Presley's Graceland kingdom would be totally transformed -- the king's mansion aside -- in a $250 million improvement plan led by CKX Inc. chief executive Robert F.X. Sillerman.
]Let me explain some things for a moment.
1)I never said Bob Sillerman built the Biltmore Hotel. I know he didn't. I used it as an example of what a Boutique hotel is that Sillerman is planning to build across from Graceland. There's going to be a resort and spa and that is what this Biltmore has. In other words it'll probably have tennis courts, indoor/outdoor pool, spa, and customer friendly atmosphere from hotel staff.
2)I have been to Graceland only once and that was back in 1995. I wasn't that impressed with the surrounding area and neighborhood. And today it is considered a bad part of the city. It was as if the mansion just popped up out of nowhere. The compound wasn't that impressive either. The Plaza is old looking and definitely looks like it fits in with the run down area. That's why it must go and the entire complex redeveloped and upgraded. Graceland never has updated that area across the street and instead just let it go.
3)The changes coming will do more good than bad for EP, his image and legacy. There won't be any roller coasters at Graceland. There won't be any theme park there either. But what it will have is much better facilities and new attractions like I listed above and that are mentioned in the article. I am 34 years old and in some ways still a kid inside. So for me I want to see excitement the next time I go there with modern day technology describing the life and times of EP as I would at any other historical location or tourist attraction. The Graceland experience is dull and somewhat boring. So imagine how dull and boring it is to the kids. They can now spice it up and make it FUN to all and money isn't an issue. Elvis is the biggest star ever and he deserves the best. Just as Micky has with the Disney franchise and attractions. So the Graceland looking like Disneyland doesnt scare me to think that they are doing anything to disrespect EP with the changes. If anyone wants to complain about disrespecting him then look no further than EPE's ducks and shoes and whatever tacky items they sell. That's disrespectful to his image right there.(n)
4)Graceland doesn't today look anything like it did when he died. But the plans are to revamp it back to what it did look like back in 1977 including remodeling the Trophy building and restoring it back to its originality as a racquetball court and lounge.
5)Graceland needs these changes. The original fans won't be around too much longer. By the time this is all completed, most will be gone or too old to travel to Memphis. So it won't effect them at all. The new changes will bring in a whole new audience and fanbase. EP and Graceland will need the younger and newer fans to survive the next generation and continue to be a money making machine. From the way it was going, EP and Graceland were like in neutral and not going anywhere but staying on the safe side of the fence. Sillerman wants to double or triple the yearly visitors. And in order to doing that these changes are definitely needed.
Please read his explanation.
Miss Clawdy
06-03-2007, 04:48 PM
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I'm constantly amazed at the hatefulness to new people and/or new ideas.
I've met some truly great fans . But, I've also met some "fans" that are down right rude & just mean spirited. I don't understand those kind.
Please don't call me hateful because I am not. I only expressed my opinion, what's wrong with it? Should I be able to visit Graceland one day I would like to see where and how Elvis lived from 1957 - 1977 and I would like to visit his grave.
Fleetfoot
06-03-2007, 04:57 PM
Maybe we should wait and see what Mr Sillerman has in mind? Exciting times to be an Elvis fan.
You still have not read what the man said.....
and I didn't call you "hateful"....there's plenty of others complaining without reading what was said.
You will always be able to visit the grave & IF it's done as he says....Graceland will be put back to the way it was when Elvis was there.
It's definitly not the way it was in 1977 now......Priscilla changed all that.
Diane
06-03-2007, 05:27 PM
I've never been to Graceland, still hope to some day but I know what Miss Clawdy is trying to say......repair Graceland where needed and re-decorate it the way it was when Elvis still lived in it. That way you would be seeing what he saw every day and feel more like he was still there.
If they re-build across the street and in the surroundings of Graceland, hopefully they won't overcrowd and overdo the area. The new buildings should be in keeping with Graceland's style of architecture and openness, THEN and only then would everything mesh well together and would still keep Graceland as the focal point and the new surroundings would flow well all around it. Otherwise it will look hodgepodge and cheap and Graceland will be lost in it and we'll know for sure they were just out for $$$$$$ and have no regard for Elvis and his home at all. Take that back, maybe they'll think they are doing him justice but just have bad taste........:'( Benefit of the doubt you know...:P
Diane
I've never been to Graceland, still hope to some day but I know what Miss Clawdy is trying to say......repair Graceland where needed and re-decorate it the way it was when Elvis still lived in it. That way you would be seeing what he saw every day and feel more like he was still there.
If they re-build across the street and in the surroundings of Graceland, hopefully they won't overcrowd and overdo the area. The new buildings should be in keeping with Graceland's style of architecture and openness, THEN and only then would everything mesh well together and would still keep Graceland as the focal point and the new surroundings would flow well all around it. Otherwise it will look hodgepodge and cheap and Graceland will be lost in it and we'll know for sure they were just out for $$$$$$ and have no regard for Elvis and his home at all. Take that back, maybe they'll think they are doing him justice but just have bad taste........:'( Benefit of the doubt you know...:P Diane
I'm trying to understand, & I agree with what you say. It really scares me to turn someone loose on this project.....it's very frustrating. But,what choice do we have ??
They WILL rebuild across the street , I'm sure of that. Sillerman owns all that now. How could he be expected to NOT build & have his investment pay off?? I can only hope he will use wisdom & good judgement when he does it.
Surely, he has better taste ; along with his contractors to do it right. We can only hope & pray.....
In my understanding though.....Graceland will NOT be any part of this "building" except for repairs & renovations that it's needed for many years. I got really angry with Lisa when I went back after so many years & it was falling apart...:'( I just couldn't understand her not keeping it up.
As to "across the street", it really is very old buildings & very trashy around that whole neighborhood. It wasn't that way when Elvis was there .
Something really needs to be done.....it's not safe to walk that street at night.....It's a sad thing to see the rot & decay & no one does anything....
I just hope Sillerman does what he says & in good taste....
I am an optimist & always hope for the best.
Sorry to Miss Clawdy, as I wasn't really including her....just ranting because I can't do anything ,so hoping Sillerman will come through, if given the chance.
He'll have to please all of Memphis too, so my hopes are high .;)
Hopefully the changes will be for the better.Only time will tell.No matter what I still miss the days when we could only walk up the driveway and visit the graves.The place seemed almost mythical back then.The opening of the house and all the commercialization has stripped some of that away I think.It's just not the same.When i first went there I felt like I was walking on holy ground.
Jak
Diane
06-03-2007, 07:40 PM
Aw Jak I sure can understand how you must have felt. Trouble is these days there are too few who care about quality, class or someone's feelings - it really is all about the dollars. I hope I live long enough to see a positive change in that.
Like you said, we can only hope for the best as to what Graceland is in for.
Diane
Lisa never had the finances to keep Graceland up like she wanted or to take him to much higher heights. Now she can with Bob Sillerman's money and help. Selling the rights and merging with FXS and CKS was the smartest business move she has ever made. By doing that she proved that she cares about her father living beyond just his generation and time and we should all be thrilled of her decision. From everything that has been written and planned for the major expansion, I am very optimistic that the outcome will be unimaginable and breathtaking.
CRITTERGITTER
06-03-2007, 08:02 PM
What no one is talking about is, who can afford to stay at this type of hotel? We stayed at Wilson World for years until Graceland bought it out and we had to move somewhere we could afford. None of this is geared to the typical Elvis fan, the working class just trying to get by. The people who stay in those types of hotels are the type of people who snubbed their noses at ELvis. Why would they appreciate him now?
Is anyone working on this project someone who loves Elvis. All I keep reading is about money. It's all about the money.
Dont underestimate old Elvis fans (don't you see the motorized chair commercial), they'll have grandkids bringing them until they die.
From what I understand the boutique hotel will be a resort and that it'll be for families to stay at for more than a day but for multiple days. There's also plans for a second hotel and this could be the new Heartbreak Hotel but a bigger and better one with reasonable prices. There's no doubt at all that it's all about money and making money. That's what it was like back when EP was living with Parker and with EP himself. Money makes the world go around. If EPE had the money back in 1982 then a lot of these changes coming would have already taken place. What gets me is so many fans complain about this and that and now that they are upgrading it they complain about that. Some say they are trying to make him too flamboyant with these changes. Well guess what? EP was a flamboyant entertainer. Had he not gone with the flashy suits in the 70's then there wouldn't be anything unique that separates him from other artist past and present.
EP loved them parks and probably would have built his own amusement park at Graceland if he had the land back then. He loved animals. he might have built his own zoo someday. So if there is any future park or a zoo with an EP theme near Graceland or even behind it someday, then think what EP would have liked and what he did like and you will understand why these things are happening. If you really want to know the life and times of EP, then these upcoming changes just might actually give us a better and unique look at his life like we never could have imagined it before.
Diane
06-03-2007, 09:17 PM
Oh boy EP75 you sure started something in my imagination with your comment about Elvis being flamboyant and might have wanted a zoo etc. had he had the space.
Now I'm imagining what Elvis would have done to Graceland and it's surroundings had he been in charge of re-vamping the whole place. Wouldn't be any other place like it in the world that's for sure - completely unique as the man was himself. Would it have been in good taste? Yes and no but it sure would have been interesting.:D
Diane
Oh boy EP75 you sure started something in my imagination with your comment about Elvis being flamboyant and might have wanted a zoo etc. had he had the space.
Now I'm imagining what Elvis would have done to Graceland and it's surroundings had he been in charge of re-vamping the whole place. Wouldn't be any other place like it in the world that's for sure - completely unique as the man was himself. Would it have been in good taste? Yes and no but it sure would have been interesting.:D Diane
Oh, Diane....I'm "seeing" shades of MJ. :blink:
Of course, he did have chickens there for his mom when she was alive.
Plus all the animals he liked to have around.
CRITTERGITTER: When Sillerman first bought EPE, it was said he was a big Elvis fan. Guess we'll see.
jak: I DO understand how you feel. It WAS different before all the commercializm.....:'( I remarked about that to my sister who I went with the last time. It definitly is not the same as it used to be. But, everything changes. Not always for the best.
Being serious here; maybe you can tell us your impressions after returning from EW in August. We'd all appreciate it, I know.
Im curious to get back to memphis for EW.I havent been since the 25th.I will be curious if I notice anything different from my last trip.The jumpsuit display should be a highlight.All the changed being talked about really are for the benefit of newer fans and just bringing people to town who might not otherwise go to Memphis.Back in the early days we were just happy to hangout at the gates and go to a convention to buy photos and stuff.We didnt need all the fanfare to be honest.It was time you looked forwad to because you would meet fans and make new friends.The changes are being made to keep Graceland a viable attraction for the future.I just hope a little bit of the mystique that Graceland had for me remains intact and isnt swallowed up by it all.I was 14 when I first stood at those gates and looked up the driveway.Pure magic.Remember it like it was yesterday.
Jak
Miss Clawdy
06-04-2007, 07:14 AM
Diane, thank you, that's in fact what I was trying to say:D That Elvis could have done some 'interesting things' to Graceland over the years may certainly have been possible, but Elvis would have made it for his, his family's and his friend's fun and benefit...quite different to people like Sillerman (IMO).
Ajr, No problem;) I've read what EP75 said, but did you read point 3)? Graceland dull and boring:hmm: ...it was new to me that people who come to visit Graceland expect to find excitement and amusement...I really thought they were coming because of Elvis....:hmm: :hmm:
Crittergitter, I agree with all you've said(y)
Jak, I completely understand what you say, it must have been mind-blowing (can't find the right word), that's how I imagined it to be....
For me Graceland could never be dull and boring.To me it's a privilege to go inside his home.It's incredible to imagine what went on inside Graceland all those years while youre standing there.I dont need anything to jazz it up.I think a quiet walk in the house is just fine.I prefer no headphones either.I could never use a word like boring to describe touring Graceland.
Jak
toffe
06-04-2007, 08:03 AM
5)The Lisa Marie and Hound Dog 2 Jets-These two planes need to be indoors in a large hanger like building, preferably the new museum. Not outside rusting in heat and rain. On rainy days some fans who tour Graceland never get to see the planes.
This is a very good idea, so the planes don`t rust etc (y), they can build a big hangar for theese planes
Miss Clawdy
06-04-2007, 08:25 AM
For me Graceland could never be dull and boring.To me it's a privilege to go inside his home.It's incredible to imagine what went on inside Graceland all those years while youre standing there.I dont need anything to jazz it up.I think a quiet walk in the house is just fine.I prefer no headphones either.I could never use a word like boring to describe touring Graceland.
Jak
This is exactly how I feel about Graceland although I was never there,
btw my daughter shares the same feelings, she is 15.
Everyone:
I think for the long time Elvis fan or especially we older ones.....;)
it could never be boring. We remember Elvis, the man& only hope to share a little bit of his life while he was here.
For the youger ones; maybe they need the glitz & excitement & expect great wonders. It can't be that way anymore, sorry to say.
One of my daughters went to Graceland couple of years ago on their anniversary. {She'd been with me as a child} She said when she walked through the front door, she just started crying. I'm not sure how to explain that feeling to anyone that doesn't feel the same. She said even her husband had tears in his eyes.{he'd never been}
Perhaps ,if you didn't "know him" as a person.....it would be like seeing any museum or a library dedicated to someone long ago & forgotten except in history books. Their loss.....
To face the "cold hard facts".....it will take lots of money ,lots of attractions to pay for all the upkeep etc. Let's hope Lisa ,at least ,doesn't allow any "theme parks" as we think of them to be built on the grounds of Graceland. It is she that has the final say on Graceland; as Sillerman doesn't own any part of that house or its contents. (y)
rocknroll
06-04-2007, 07:19 PM
I totally agree with you, they are going to ruin all the spirit of Graceland. Who needed changes during the last 30 years??? There's nothing to say against maintaining the Mansion, there should be enough money there;)
I can only hope that I will manage to visit Graceland as it is now...just about Elvis left it :king:
Agree.
Why the obsession with turning Elvis and his legacy into some sort of theme park is beyond me. We need to concentrate on the man, his music and home and not detract from it with roller coasters, clowns, etc., etc.
rocknroll
06-04-2007, 07:23 PM
Let me explain some things for a moment.
1)I never said Bob Sillerman built the Biltmore Hotel. I know he didn't. I used it as an example of what a Boutique hotel is that Sillerman is planning to build across from Graceland. There's going to be a resort and spa and that is what this Biltmore has. In other words it'll probably have tennis courts, indoor/outdoor pool, spa, and customer friendly atmosphere from hotel staff.
2)I have been to Graceland only once and that was back in 1995. I wasn't that impressed with the surrounding area and neighborhood. And today it is considered a bad part of the city. It was as if the mansion just popped up out of nowhere. The compound wasn't that impressive either. The Plaza is old looking and definitely looks like it fits in with the run down area. That's why it must go and the entire complex redeveloped and upgraded. Graceland never has updated that area across the street and instead just let it go.
3)The changes coming will do more good than bad for EP, his image and legacy. There won't be any roller coasters at Graceland. There won't be any theme park there either. But what it will have is much better facilities and new attractions like I listed above and that are mentioned in the article. I am 34 years old and in some ways still a kid inside. So for me I want to see excitement the next time I go there with modern day technology describing the life and times of EP as I would at any other historical location or tourist attraction. The Graceland experience is dull and somewhat boring. So imagine how dull and boring it is to the kids. They can now spice it up and make it FUN to all and money isn't an issue. Elvis is the biggest star ever and he deserves the best. Just as Micky has with the Disney franchise and attractions. So the Graceland looking like Disneyland doesnt scare me to think that they are doing anything to disrespect EP with the changes. If anyone wants to complain about disrespecting him then look no further than EPE's ducks and shoes and whatever tacky items they sell. That's disrespectful to his image right there.(n)
4)Graceland doesn't today look anything like it did when he died. But the plans are to revamp it back to what it did look like back in 1977 including remodeling the Trophy building and restoring it back to its originality as a racquetball court and lounge.
5)Graceland needs these changes. The original fans won't be around too much longer. By the time this is all completed, most will be gone or too old to travel to Memphis. So it won't effect them at all. The new changes will bring in a whole new audience and fanbase. EP and Graceland will need the younger and newer fans to survive the next generation and continue to be a money making machine. From the way it was going, EP and Graceland were like in neutral and not going anywhere but staying on the safe side of the fence. Sillerman wants to double or triple the yearly visitors. And in order to doing that these changes are definitely needed.
Rediculous.
The surrounding area does need some cleaning up and modernizing, but must be done on a small scale to keep the spirit of Elvis' home alive. If everything you suggest comes to fruition, people will visit and not give a **************** about visiting Graceland. Talk about a death blow to Elvis' memory, I can't think of anything worse.
Agree.
Why the obsession with turning Elvis and his legacy into some sort of theme park is beyond me. We need to concentrate on the man, his music and home and not detract from it with roller coasters, clowns, etc., etc.
Please show me where it is said that FXS plans to turn Graceland into a theme park with roller coasters and clowns. This is NOT in the plans. EP fans seem to have expansion improvements mixed up with amusement parks and confused about the changes coming.
Rediculous.
The surrounding area does need some cleaning up and modernizing, but must be done on a small scale to keep the spirit of Elvis' home alive. If everything you suggest comes to fruition, people will visit and not give a **************** about visiting Graceland. Talk about a death blow to Elvis' memory, I can't think of anything worse.
Those improvements and new attractions will only IMPROVE the image not make it downgraded. Why wouldn't you want it upgraded to where
A)it brings in more people than before?
B)it brings in younger visitors who before may not have been so interested in going but might now due to the new expansions and attractions?
C)it keeps EP's memory, legacy and phenomenon alive for generations to come and he isn't just seen as some old timer rocker by future generations but a cool guy who changed the world single handedly?
Why wouldn't you want that for EP? And why wouldn't you want a state of the art museum for interacting and introducing the legacy to those non fans and new younger fans who might have just begun being fans after the success of A Little Less Conversation in 2002? Why would you not want EP to have a museum in the fashion and style of the Rock Hall Museum in Cleveland? That is what their plans are-to spice it up and make it FUN for everyone. It's fun as it is, to us the fans who are blinded by the facts and think it's all perfect. but it's not. It's far from perfect and I believe EP would have wanted these changes too. Why would you and all fans want the absolute very best for EP?
Those improvements and new attractions will only IMPROVE the image not make it downgraded. Why wouldn't you want it upgraded to where
A)it brings in more people than before?
B)it brings in younger visitors who before may not have been so interested in going but might now due to the new expansions and attractions?
C)it keeps EP's memory, legacy and phenomenon alive for generations to come and he isn't just seen as some old timer rocker by future generations but a cool guy who changed the world single handedly?
Why wouldn't you want that for EP? And why wouldn't you want a state of the art museum for interacting and introducing the legacy to those non fans and new younger fans who might have just begun being fans after the success of A Little Less Conversation in 2002? Why would you not want EP to have a museum in the fashion and style of the Rock Hall Museum in Cleveland? That is what their plans are-to spice it up and make it FUN for everyone. It's fun as it is, to us the fans who are blinded by the facts and think it's all perfect. but it's not. It's far from perfect and I believe EP would have wanted these changes too. Why would you and all fans want the absolute very best for EP?
I have nothing to add except:
There's not a darn thing we can do about it. It will be done, you can bet on it . I just hope it is as you say.....for Elvis' sake.
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