What do you think about Priscilla?

[Nicole Presley]

I would like to know what you others think about Priscilla. I think she diddn´t diserve Elvis. Elvis was too good for her. What do you think?

[Dovey]

Simply put "No" Dovey ;)

[ajr]

Can I just "straddle" the issue??;)

I don't think they were "right" for each other. IMO, neither of them should have gotten married. Both seemed too immature for such a serious step.

My "not caring" for Priscilla has nothing to do with Elvis.
But, neither do I hate her.

[Diane]

First choice all the way!

Diane

[toffe]

Nope..the best girl for Elvis was Linda .... :blush:

[ajr]

It's just that I see both sides in that marriage.
Some people like Priscilla , so I didn't see a great need to bash her. ;)

I didn't vote as I needed another option.

[marijaep]

She's alright:D
I like Priscilla a lot
I think that Elvis wasn't supposed to be married to anyone. That was his life-style like.
He wasn't the best husband either
But they looked cute together:D (y)
But, that's just my opinion:P

Marija

[desiree]

I got nothing against Priscilla. Elvis loved and married her, but like arj pointed out maybe they weren't "right" for each other. She tried tho.
Sure my opinions have changed a little. Before I thought she was the right one for him, but now after learning more I wouldn't say so. I think the whole thing was based on a crush they had on each other back in the army days.
But what am I to say anything!

[Donut]

I think she was alright untill they separated, she didn?t like her life with him and did what she had to do, leave, fall in love with another man or watever she wanted. But I don?t like her since she started to use him as a food ticket, that is what she has been doing for more than 30 years (that and changing or adorning stories to write her own fairytale). A good example of how to live off the name of a famous person because you know you don?t have a talent of your own. She would?t have got envolved in Elvis?s estate if she thought she could make the money to keep on with her way of life by herself.
Said that I have to say I can?t blame her for anything during her life with him and I think she deserved Elvis then, in my opinion it?s him who didn?t deserve her during their marriage but she learnt very fast and made a business out of it so I don?t feel any pity for her at all.

[riley]

Altough great looking together they were just to different to make marriage work.

Too bad tough I just love to see their pictures together, what a couple they were

[srj1967]

A gold-digger .. from the very second she met Elvis! :angry:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Here we go again :P stand well back when this topic really gets going.........................

I neither like or dislike Priscilla, I find some of the things she has done very unpalatable but on the flip side "From the idea that those people hanging around the gates of Graceland might pay for the privilege of peeking inside, an empire was born. Priscilla Presley and her advisor's have always known the value of Elvis as a brand name, and have always maximised that value with limited financial risk."

So from the above perspective you could argue she has contributed in a small way to keeping Graceland in the hands of the the future generations of LMP.

It would have been a whole different ball game had Priscilla sold Graceland, it is hard to imagine anywhere else being the epicentre of the Elvis empire!

My gripe with Priscilla is she uses Elvis purely as a business venture and there is little or no sentiment involved, she also piggy backs off the name Presley for her own benefit, it just seems cold....... some might see this as good business sense, others opportunism from an ex-wife.

Priscilla and her advisers have done what the colonel never did, close all the loopholes and tighten the grip on the brand name "Presley" and utilised many different income streams, it probably wasn't necessary when Elvis was alive because Elvis would tour and sell merchandise to make money.
Imagine if Elvis had been given this advice whilst he was alive!! Elvis could have rested more and perhaps a different outcome to his life could have been possible?

I'm sure that Priscilla loved Elvis, I believe it has been very difficult for her to live under his shadow even today! I can't Imagine how difficult it must be when you are virtually invisible because they are not interested in you for who you are but for who you were married to? That said the Chairman of Rolls Royce is not going to be asked questions about there latest laundry collection ;)

With Priscilla you are always going to get the good the bad and the ugly :P we can speculate as to her worthiness as a wife, we can question her ability as a actress, however we have to admit the job she has done as a business woman is pretty good.

JJ

[Donut]

however we have to admit the job she has done as a business woman is pretty good.

JJ

Good for who? ;)

[Erhan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu5U4z9LiuA

[presley]

Here we go again :P stand well back when this topic really gets going.........................

I neither like or dislike Priscilla, I find some of the things she has done very unpalatable but on the flip side "From the idea that those people hanging around the gates of Graceland might pay for the privilege of peeking inside, an empire was born. Priscilla Presley and her advisor's have always known the value of Elvis as a brand name, and have always maximised that value with limited financial risk."

So from the above perspective you could argue she has contributed in a small way to keeping Graceland in the hands of the the future generations of LMP.

It would have been a whole different ball game had Priscilla sold Graceland, it is hard to imagine anywhere else being the epicentre of the Elvis empire!

My gripe with Priscilla is she uses Elvis purely as a business venture and there is little or no sentiment involved, she also piggy backs off the name Presley for her own benefit, it just seems cold....... some might see this as good business sense, others opportunism from an ex-wife.

Priscilla and her advisers have done what the colonel never did, close all the loopholes and tighten the grip on the brand name "Presley" and utilised many different income streams, it probably wasn't necessary when Elvis was alive because Elvis would tour and sell merchandise to make money.
Imagine if Elvis had been given this advice whilst he was alive!! Elvis could have rested more and perhaps a different outcome to his life could have been possible?

I'm sure that Priscilla loved Elvis, I believe it has been very difficult for her to live under his shadow even today! I can't Imagine how difficult it must be when you are virtually invisible because they are not interested in you for who you are but for who you were married to? That said the Chairman of Rolls Royce is not going to be asked questions about there latest laundry collection ;)

With Priscilla you are always going to get the good the bad and the ugly :P we can speculate as to her worthiness as a wife, we can question her ability as a actress, however we have to admit the job she has done as a business woman is pretty good.

JJ

Very well said JJ:D

[Debra]

I think that Elvis wasn't supposed to be married to anyone. That was his life-style like.
He wasn't the best husband either

Marija

I agree with this and Priscilla knew that before she married with Elvis.
I think that Prisilla would be nothing without Presley name.

It is just not fair from her that everywhere talks how much she suffered and what a terrible marriage she has.

In looooong line of Elvis's girlfriends .....only she gave him the most precious gift .....a child.

Even though he really wasn't a good husband, he took care very good for both(y)

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Good for who? ;)

If we take the emotion out of the equation I think It has been mutually beneficial to both the fans and Priscilla :hmm:

[ajr]

and in the long run....she did save Graceland for the fans. Maybe she didn't think about them then, but IF she'd sold it , there would be nothing .


"Vernon Presley's will brought about the appointment of three co-executors/co-trustees to succeed him. They were: the National Bank of Commerce in Memphis, which was the bank Elvis and Vernon had done business with; Joseph Hanks, who had been Elvis and Vernon's accountant for a number of years; and Priscilla Beaulieu Presley, who had divorced Elvis in 1973, but had continued a close friendship with him and was Lisa's legal guardian. Joseph Hanks retired from his post in 1990.Upon Lisa Presley's twenty-fifth birthday in 1993, the trust automatically dissolved and Lisa chose to form a new trust, The Elvis Presley Trust, to continue the successful management of the estate, with Priscilla Presley and the National Bank of Commerce continuing to serve as co-trustees. In 1998, as Lisa Marie Presley's role in the management grew, Priscilla Presley chose to redirect her efforts by moving to an advisory position, continuing her close involvement and support while focusing more time on her own ever-expanding individual pursuits as a successful actress and businessperson."

[Donut]

and in the long run....she did save Graceland for the fans. Maybe she didn't think about them then, but IF she'd sold it , there would be nothing .



How do you know there would be nothing? If I´m not wrong the city-council of Memphis wanted to buy Graceland and make it a museum already when Vernon was alive and in his will Elvis made his choice of who he wanted to be executor in case Vernon wasn´t able to do it himself for some reason and guess what, Priscilla wasn´t his choice.
As I´ve said before I don´t blame her for leaving Elvis neither for his decline like some fans do, but I can´t help seeing her as an oportunist since Vernon died and I don´t think we have to thank her for anything and assume Graceland woulnd´t be there to visit simply because that´s very unlikely.

Of course we all have our own opinion but for me the only person to be grateful for what we have today is Elvis himself and the talent and love for his fans he showed while he was alive, that´s what keeps him on the top.

[edbdmiddy]

No Way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ajr]

How do you know there would be nothing? If I´m not wrong the city-council of Memphis wanted to buy Graceland and make it a museum already when Vernon was alive and in his will Elvis made his choice of who he wanted to be executor in case Vernon wasn´t able to do it himself for some reason and guess what, Priscilla wasn´t his choice.

You may know something I'm not aware of.
It doesn't really matter ...the fans have it now.
That's the important thing. Not even Lisa can sell it. :)
An opportunist she was.
It was hard for me to believe Vernon made her an executor.

[presley]

I'am glad that Vernon made priscilla the executor, if he didn't l don't think we fans would get the chance to see graceland, and cherish what mattered the most to elvis!!!!!!!!

[Danny Ocean]

In 1977 just a few weeks before his death... he called Priscilla. And asked her that if something happend to him.. she still wanted to carry his name... Presley

[srj1967]

In 1977 just a few weeks before his death... he called Priscilla. And asked her that if something happend to him.. she still wanted to carry his name... Presley

Who says?!

And he had Lisa to do that.

[Danny Ocean]

A friend of my spoke to Priscilla at Harrods a few months ago. In London. And he just asked her, why she still names herself Presley... then she told him that..

[srj1967]

A friend of my spoke to Priscilla at Harrods a few months ago. In London. And he just asked her, why she still names herself Presley... then she told him that..

That what? Stop faffing about ...

[Danny Ocean]

That Elvis called her a few weeks before his death and asked her that. She also said that, he sounded like the candle was burned out.

[presley]

I have heard the same thing danny, but who knows what was really said at the time.

[srj1967]

That Elvis called her a few weeks before his death and asked her that. She also said that, he sounded like the candle was burned out.

Oh, sorry, I misread your second post there.

I wouldn't believe that story at all. The candle comment maybe, but the "I want you to carry on my name" thing? Puh-lease ...

[Burning_Love]

Nope..the best girl for Elvis was Linda .... :blush:

Agree 100% xxx:king:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I wouldn't believe that story at all. The candle comment maybe, but the "I want you to carry on my name" thing? Puh-lease ...

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Elvis ever had a conversation that even came close to "Please keep the name Presley" it wouldn't matter what her last name was..... everyone would still know who she is!!!!

The only benefit to keeping the name Presley is to make Priscilla seem like a widow which she most certainly is NOT :nono:

[Dovey]

In 1977 just a few weeks before his death... he called Priscilla. And asked her that if something happend to him.. she still wanted to carry his name... Presley



:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: This one is really funny!!!! :lmfao: :lmfao: Dovey ;)

[ajr]

Hmmm,:hmm: I read something about them having a long phone conversation not long before he died.....
but, it wasn't about that. Think he was telling her something about what to do after he passed ....I can't remember now !! Darn it !! :blink:

[Danny Ocean]

Priscilla spend 2 days at Graceland in 1976. She came along with Lisa and Elvis was at home and asked her to stay.. She stayed with him for 2 days.

[Diane]

Well I've had my good laugh for the day.:D

Diane

[presley]

well l'am keeping a open mind about things, cause nobody here knows what was said between the pair of them.

[stefankoch]

I would have to say that Priscilla is today what she is because of Elvis..... Without him she will be a nobody.
I believe she loved him with all her heart and she still love him.... And without her we wouldnt have a chance to go to Graceland....... BUT she didnt do much good for Elvis exept for Lisa Marie, I guess it was a lonely KING who has been crying himself to sleep to many times because of her.
She knew before she started the relationship who he were and how many times he would be away from home and after 12 years she suddently wanted a man home with her every day 24 hours...... But what the h... she could use the money ...... No problem there.

[edbdmiddy]

All I can say is that some people do not know anything about Elvis if they believe the bull that he asked her to keep his name.... this is a hoot of a laugh... maybe a trip to the library and some good old fashion reading might help. But if not.. at least this was my biggest laugh yet. :lol:

[elvislady]

I like priscilla:D
elvislady

[Danny Ocean]

"Elvis was wearing a white shirt with a black pants while he came down from the stairs. Priscilla walked in and kissed Elvis. Lisa gave her father a kiss and went of to play with her cousins. I was walking my way to the kitchen when I see them standing there in the Hall. Priscilla looked troubled and Elvis asked what was wrong. She told him that her bussines (clothing) doesn't worked they way it should be. Elvis asked her if he could do anything for her. She nodded and whispered no. Elvis asked if she could stay for dinner with him and Lisa marie. She agreed.

A few hours later when I came back after I came back from driving the Colonel I heard Elvis laugh. I was wondering why so I walked in to the living room. What I saw was almost a dream. Elvis sat there with Priscilla and Lisa Marie enjoying a good old family dinner. It was like '69 again. I smiled and he asked me to come and sat down with them. I had some work to do, not really but I would leave them alone. I walked away with tears in my eyes. I didn't see that look on E's face for a long time. In the evening Joe, Larry, me, Jerry, Elvis and Priscilla sat down in the television room. Suddenly Lisa ran in and Priscilla told her to go to sleep. She walked upstairs with Lisa. When she came back Elvis winked to her and she hold his hand. The day after Elvis was on the Road Again. He was in physical shape and we had a lot of fun on the road.

Danny, I will tell you.. never doubt about the love between Elvis and Priscilla.. It was always there.. always"

[Merry]

"Elvis was wearing a white shirt with a black pants while he came down from the stairs. Priscilla walked in and kissed Elvis. Lisa gave her father a kiss and went of to play with her cousins. I was walking my way to the kitchen when I see them standing there in the Hall. Priscilla looked troubled and Elvis asked what was wrong. She told him that her bussines (clothing) doesn't worked they way it should be. Elvis asked her if he could do anything for her. She nodded and whispered no. Elvis asked if she could stay for dinner with him and Lisa marie. She agreed.

A few hours later when I came back after I came back from driving the Colonel I heard Elvis laugh. I was wondering why so I walked in to the living room. What I saw was almost a dream. Elvis sat there with Priscilla and Lisa Marie enjoying a good old family dinner. It was like '69 again. I smiled and he asked me to come and sat down with them. I had some work to do, not really but I would leave them alone. I walked away with tears in my eyes. I didn't see that look on E's face for a long time. In the evening Joe, Larry, me, Jerry, Elvis and Priscilla sat down in the television room. Suddenly Lisa ran in and Priscilla told her to go to sleep. She walked upstairs with Lisa. When she came back Elvis winked to her and she hold his hand. The day after Elvis was on the Road Again. He was in physical shape and we had a lot of fun on the road.

Danny, I will tell you.. never doubt about the love between Elvis and Priscilla.. It was always there.. always"



Hi Danny,

Who told this lovely story?

I've always respected the way Elvis and 'Cilla always put Lisa first. Something to be admired.

Jess

[Danny Ocean]

If my source was right (he passed away) this took place on february 2 1976. There are rumors before Priscilla came Elvis played pool with a Police officer..

[joanne]

"Elvis was wearing a white shirt with a black pants while he came down from the stairs. Priscilla walked in and kissed Elvis. Lisa gave her father a kiss and went of to play with her cousins. I was walking my way to the kitchen when I see them standing there in the Hall. Priscilla looked troubled and Elvis asked what was wrong. She told him that her bussines (clothing) doesn't worked they way it should be. Elvis asked her if he could do anything for her. She nodded and whispered no. Elvis asked if she could stay for dinner with him and Lisa marie. She agreed.

A few hours later when I came back after I came back from driving the Colonel I heard Elvis laugh. I was wondering why so I walked in to the living room. What I saw was almost a dream. Elvis sat there with Priscilla and Lisa Marie enjoying a good old family dinner. It was like '69 again. I smiled and he asked me to come and sat down with them. I had some work to do, not really but I would leave them alone. I walked away with tears in my eyes. I didn't see that look on E's face for a long time. In the evening Joe, Larry, me, Jerry, Elvis and Priscilla sat down in the television room. Suddenly Lisa ran in and Priscilla told her to go to sleep. She walked upstairs with Lisa. When she came back Elvis winked to her and she hold his hand. The day after Elvis was on the Road Again. He was in physical shape and we had a lot of fun on the road.

Danny, I will tell you.. never doubt about the love between Elvis and Priscilla.. It was always there.. always"That`s right out of Barbara Cartland. :D :D

[Diane]

Joanne........:D :D Cartland is probably a better writer. :D

Diane

[Danny Ocean]

Don't think you're smart.. you just don't believe it... You will believe it if it was on Elvis.com or Elvisnews.com... Don't critisize what you do not know... But this does not mean that this wasn't happend... This took place..

[presley]

Don't think you're smart.. you just don't believe it... You will believe it if it was on Elvis.com or Elvisnews.com... Don't critisize what you do not know... But this does not mean that this wasn't happend... This took place..

I have to agree with you Danny, some people think they now the whole story, but not everbody will agree with what you are saying.

[Ampzilla]

I never Think of her

1. She's only thinks of Elvis when it comes two money

2. She always buged Elvis about his spending habits

its my money I earned it (ELVIS)

[Diane]

Danny, sorry I wasn't putting you down, I was laughing at Joanne's witty response.

But really, so many people on different forums claim to know "inside stuff" about the Presleys that it is impossible for anyone to believe what someone claims to know for sure unless you can produce definite proof of what you're saying.

The above passages about a happening at Graceland between Elvis and Priscilla really does sound like it came out of a romance novel.

Diane

[Merry]

Danny, sorry I wasn't putting you down, I was laughing at Joanne's witty response.

But really, so many people on different forums claim to know "inside stuff" about the Presleys that it is impossible for anyone to believe what someone claims to know for sure unless you can produce definite proof of what you're saying.

The above passages about a happening at Graceland between Elvis and Priscilla really does sound like it came out of a romance novel.

Diane



Is this more like it? :clap:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbO25Qrd8o


:clap:


Jess

[Evi]

Is this more like it? :clap:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbO25Qrd8o


:clap:


Jess

LOL LOL LOL ROFL THAT WAS SO FUNNY JESS

[Diane]

Yessiree Jess, that was pretty close to it lol:D :D :D


Diane

[Merry]

Yessiree Jess, that was pretty close to it lol:D :D :D


Diane




Oh boy, I wasn't referring to Elvis and 'Cilla, just a general observation of how some can feel, lol :supriced: and besides, it is so very, very funny!

Jess

[marijaep]

LOL LOL LOL ROFL THAT WAS SO FUNNY JESS

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: Thanks for the laugh Jess:hug:

Marija

[presley]

Thanks Jess, but me myself wants to hear more from Danny.

[Danny Ocean]

I Understand Diane, but I also know a lot of stories... that aren't very romantic between Elvis and Priscilla... that he threw a plate thru the dining room in there home in California... just because Priscilla told Elvis 'she wanted to go to work because she still sat on her butt'...

[ajr]

The "good stories" are pleasant to hear. I do agree there must have been "bad times" as in all marriages.

It was time to end that marriage for both their sakes. IF they could remain "kinda friends" especially for Lisa's sake ...that was good.
I have nothing bad or good to say about their marriage as I wasn't there to see it . :closedeye

[Wendy56]

Have mixed feelings about her... Elvis loved her, so she may have something good...

[edbdmiddy]

Really does not matter what we think of her.... Elvis loved her like a little sister and he knew he was not "in love with her" I think there is a big difference there but whatever.

[EnigmaticSun]

I think Elvis' marriage to Priscilla was pre-arranged; most important for him was not so much to love, but to be loved, especially after having lost his mother. Priscilla didn't have the qualities to form a stable marriage in the long run; she tends to be jealous anyway. All in all, I do think Lisa-Marie was more than welcome to Elvis.

As far as her managing of Elvis' legacy is concerned: 1. I would want her to release Elvis' last television special and 2. I certainly would recommend her to apply more discernment in the case of people writing about Elvis, making documentaries or movies about Elvis, or people who want to sing like Elvis (the impersonator flame-war is now a hot issue).

The worst thing is Scientology; I think the best thing for Elvis' legacy would be to make Priscilla and Lisa-Marie quit this.

Scientology is, in essence, a New Age organization: Astrology, Theosophy, paragnosticism, New Age, Enlightenment (around the time of the French Revolution and the foundation of the USA) the Da Vinci Code and the gospel of Judas mix with gnosticism, a sect dating back from the late-apostolic time or about the 2nd or 3rd century AD. In this sect, which Rome has issued warnings against, the God of Israel became the Devil and Judas the good guy. Gnosticism is the only acceptable religion nowadays, or so it seems: it's uncommon to believe in God the creator, but it's okay to believe in magic, tao, buddhism, invisible rays or 'something'.

Elvis has tried to learn more about occultism: reading Blavatsky, spending time with Larry Geller, visiting the Self-Realization centre; all in all, Scientology seems to match up with these phenomena. Although the basis of New Age is probably gnosticism (or seems to get along with it at the least), the first has died with 9-11, which disproved their expectancy of an Aquarian Age, which was supposed to bring global harmony. It's just another sect being let down by their own eschatology.

At some point Elvis probably found out occultism and New Age are bogus; The Apostle Paul reminds us: ?Test everything and keep what is good!? (I Thess. 5:21

I think the subtle danger of Scientology and similar organizations is to lure people using the words of (for example) Jesus or Plato - the moment somebody comes closer, he or she needs to pay a lot of money or is threatened with words such as: 'do as we say, or ye shall re-incarnate as a poor Rumanian'.

These organizations have been trying to influence people everywhere: The Russian monarchy (Rasputin), The Third Reich, The Dutch Monarchy (Greet Hoffmans) and now Elvis. Discern the signs of the time..

[elvislady]

I think Elvis' marriage to Priscilla was pre-arranged; most important for him was not so much to love, but to be loved, especially after having lost his mother. Priscilla didn't have the qualities to form a stable marriage in the long run; she tends to be jealous anyway. All in all, I do think Lisa-Marie was more than welcome to Elvis.

As far as her managing of Elvis' legacy is concerned: 1. I would want her to release Elvis' last television special and 2. I certainly would recommend her to apply more discernment in the case of people writing about Elvis, making documentaries or movies about Elvis, or people who want to sing like Elvis (the impersonator flame-war is now a hot issue).

The worst thing is Scientology; I think the best thing for Elvis' legacy would be to make Priscilla and Lisa-Marie quit this.

Scientology is, in essence, a New Age organization: Astrology, Theosophy, paragnosticism, New Age, Enlightenment (around the time of the French Revolution and the foundation of the USA) the Da Vinci Code and the gospel of Judas mix with gnosticism, a sect dating back from the late-apostolic time or about the 2nd or 3rd century AD. In this sect, which Rome has issued warnings against, the God of Israel became the Devil and Judas the good guy. Gnosticism is the only acceptable religion nowadays, or so it seems: it's uncommon to believe in God the creator, but it's okay to believe in magic, tao, buddhism, invisible rays or 'something'.

Elvis has tried to learn more about occultism: reading Blavatsky, spending time with Larry Geller, visiting the Self-Realization centre; all in all, Scientology seems to match up with these phenomena. Although the basis of New Age is probably gnosticism (or seems to get along with it at the least), the first has died with 9-11, which disproved their expectancy of an Aquarian Age, which was supposed to bring global harmony. It's just another sect being let down by their own eschatology.

At some point Elvis probably found out occultism and New Age are bogus; The Apostle Paul reminds us: ?Test everything and keep what is good!? (I Thess. 5:21

I think the subtle danger of Scientology and similar organizations is to lure people using the words of (for example) Jesus or Plato - the moment somebody comes closer, he or she needs to pay a lot of money or is threatened with words such as: 'do as we say, or ye shall re-incarnate as a poor Rumanian'.

These organizations have been trying to influence people everywhere: The Russian monarchy (Rasputin), The Third Reich, The Dutch Monarchy (Greet Hoffmans) and now Elvis. Discern the signs of the time..

If people want to believe these organizations leave them to it.
elvislady:hmm:

[Suspicious Minds]

I voted She's alright. Not quite alright.
How was she allowed to call her surname Presley Beaulieu?
She was divorced from Elvis and married someone else.

[srj1967]

The worst thing is Scientology; I think the best thing for Elvis' legacy would be to make Priscilla and Lisa-Marie quit this.

It's uncommon to believe in God the creator, but it's okay to believe in magic, tao, buddhism, invisible rays or 'something'.



Firstly, it's Lisa's choice to be involved with Scientology, so who are you to say it would be best if she quit? Yes, of course it's a ridiculous cult (not a real religion) based on the mumbo-jumbo writings of a raving lunatic, but it is her life, her beliefs, her choice. So, if she wanted to sell Graceland and give all the money to aliens, then there's jack you-know-what anyone could do about it.

To "make Priscilla and Lisa-Marie quit this" would be best, you say. Fine. Then we'll send the thought police around to your house and make you quit your beliefs ... burn your Bible, destroy your crucifixes etc, and make you conform to someone else's way of thinking.

And it is a grave insult for you to arrogantly lump Taoism and Buddhism in the same sentence as "magic" and "invisible rays". Both of these religions have been around longer than your Christianity (and are infinitely more peaceful) so do not dismiss them as akin to occultism.

A belief in God, or a god, or in no God at all is an entirely personal thing, and it is these sorts of snide remarks that make people turn away from Christianity and other organised religions.

"It's uncommon to believe in God the creator, but it's okay to believe in magic", you say sarcastically ... as if one is better than the other. The fact is, that yes, it is okay to believe in magic, God, no God, Buddha, Paris Hilton or a pile of rancid baked beans as a deity, so long as you don't encroach on others with your beliefs.

Off topic, I realise, but these sorts of comments just plain get to me. :angry:

[EnigmaticSun]

Of course it's Lisa's choice to do this and I won't physically force her to do otherwise. I am entitled to have my opinion.

The God of Israel is continuous with the words of Jesus; the difference is that the old Jewish ways (the laws; for example to eat certain things or not) weren't important: the sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law. Jesus freed the world from the law.

No matter what you make it, it's no coincidence that Elvis was a Christian. It's fair to say it's not just my Christianity, the community is very, very large. And Tibetan Buddhism is organized too (for example).

It's not attacking Buddhism or Taoism, it's just pointing out it's strange that it's okay to belief in Tao, but not in God the creator.

[srj1967]

Of course it's Lisa's choice to do this and I won't physically force her to do otherwise. I am entitled to have my opinion.

The God of Israel is continuous with the words of Jesus; the difference is that the old Jewish ways (the laws; for example to eat certain things or not) weren't important: the sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law. Jesus freed the world from the law.

No matter what you make it, it's no coincidence that Elvis was a Christian. It's fair to say it's not just my Christianity, the community is very, very large. And Tibetan Buddhism is organized too (for example).

It's not attacking Buddhism or Taoism, it's just pointing out it's strange that it's okay to belief in Tao, but not in God the creator.

What has any of this go to do with the thread of what people think of Priscilla? Why on earth did you raise this? Who said it's not okay to believe in your God the creator? Certainly no one here on this forum.

So you go right ahead and believe what you want, by all means; but religion's not for me, thanks all the same. And please, don't start turning this forum into a platform for your religious beliefs.

[EnigmaticSun]

It has a lot to do with Priscilla's ways and using reasons to explain why I don't trust her environment; for the rest it's just giving a reaction to your post.

[Miss Clawdy]

It has a lot to do with Priscilla's ways and using reasons to explain why I don't trust her environment........

I agree and I wasn't aware that the 'Organisation' of Scientology is a religion:hmm: .....and why do I first have to pay a fortune to be allowed to 'believe in this religion':hmm: .....?

[srj1967]

I agree and I wasn't aware that the 'Organisation' of Scientology is a religion:hmm: .....and why do I first have to pay a fortune to be allowed to 'believe in this religion':hmm: .....?

Still, I've got to thank Scientology (indirectly at least) for giving the world the movie Battlefield Earth ... one of the most hilariously inept films of all time. Truly, it is the Plan 9 From Outer Space of our times! :lol: John Travolta's best work since Look Who's Talking 3!

[Miss Clawdy]

Still, I've got to thank Scientology (indirectly at least) for giving the world the movie Battlefield Earth ... one of the most hilariously inept films of all time. Truly, it is the Plan 9 From Outer Space of our times! :lol: John Travolta's best work since Look Who's Talking 3!

Unfortunatelly I must admit that I don't know neither of them, but I had a look at Wikipedia to close this knowledge gap;)
very interesting indeed....but this results in thinking that members of Scientology might need psychiatric counseling for themselves......:hmm:

[ajr]

I certainly would recommend her to apply more discernment in the case of people writing about Elvis, making documentaries or movies about Elvis, or people who want to sing like Elvis (the impersonator flame-war is now a hot issue).

The worst thing is Scientology; I think the best thing for Elvis' legacy would be to make Priscilla and Lisa-Marie quit this.


Let me give you some info on Scientology. This is a part of their beliefs :

"The word "Scientology" means "the study of knowledge or truth." The Scientology religion holds that man is basically good, not evil. It teaches that it is their experiences that cause people to commit evil deeds. It is not their basic nature to do so. People can mistakenly solve their problems by thinking only of their own personal interests and overlook or ignore how their acts affect others. This creates interpersonal strife and problems. The Scientology religion also holds that individuals advance to the degree they preserve their spiritual integrity and values, and remain honest and decent ? indeed, individuals deteriorate to the degree they abandon these qualities."

Wouldn't it be nice if our christain religions would embrace & teach these things..instead of "hell-fire & ****************ation ?" I don't condone scientology ;as there is a lot more they believe than I could ever accept. But, to these basic things, I agree . I was raised in "God is Love" form of christianity . I've also seen "the radical "side of religion ,meant to scare people to death.
You can look at the negatives in all things, as some like to do......I choose to find the positive & delete the rest......;)

Trying to keep to the point of this topic, I therefore have to agree with srj....why in the world did you bring this up?? It's not the time or the place.
Religion or politics have nothing to do with the decisions Priscilla makes in business, IMO......
Rather, quite the contrary. IF she believes in these principles of scientology; it would seem she would be striving to show the positive side of Elvis.....not the "bad" side.......:hmm:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

In response to you comments ajr, I agree in principal to most of what you have said, however I would like to add:- We are all individuals who have varying degrees of intelligence and ability to absorb information. We are all a product of our environments and are influenced by charismatic leaders to believe what we know are basic truths.

If we could all stick to basic humanitarian beliefs the world would be a better place. Human beings are made up of complex emotions, anyone offering a road to enlightenment without hardship tends to be followed.

IMO Scientology is a quick fix for the emotionally stunted, looking from the outside it would appear that the rich and famous flock to this cult because they can pay their way to enlightenment, guilt free without having to give up on their extravagant lifestyles.

Personally I have been a Presleytarian for many years, yes it costs a lot to buy all the merchandise but I get great pleasure doing so, If heaven is anything like earth I'm going to be happy :D

[Miss Clawdy]

.......Personally I have been a Presleytarian for many years, yes it costs a lot to buy all the merchandise but I get great pleasure doing so, If heaven is anything like earth I'm going to be happy :D

The Presleytarians have a very Charismatic Leader;) :D .....and you can set the price of your 'membership fee' yourself:D

[ajr]

In response to you comments ajr, I agree in principal to most of what you have said, however I would like to add:- We are all individuals who have varying degrees of intelligence and ability to absorb information. We are all a product of our environments and are influenced by charismatic leaders to believe what we know are basic truths.

If we could all stick to basic humanitarian beliefs the world would be a better place. Human beings are made up of complex emotions, anyone offering a road to enlightenment without hardship tends to be followed.

IMO Scientology is a quick fix for the emotionally stunted, looking from the outside it would appear that the rich and famous flock to this cult because they can pay their way to enlightenment, guilt free without having to give up on their extravagant lifestyles.

Personally I have been a Presleytarian for many years, yes it costs a lot to buy all the merchandise but I get great pleasure doing so, If heaven is anything like earth I'm going to be happy :D

I do not like scientology at all. I just found this statement of their beliefs "interesting." ;) I've read too much & went too far studying their belief system to ever support them in any way. Just saying....IF Pris & Lisa believed the doctrine I posted.....then they'd do more to stop the "sell out "of EP.....

Personally, I have been a Catholic for many years . ;) After studying all religions at a library instead of anyones slant on things. .....
But, I don't think Catholicism is the only road to heaven. It's just "right" for me......;)
Personally, though....I hope & believe heaven is a much nicer place than this earth. If not....I'm gonna be real disappointed .

[Diane]

ajr, I'm with you all the way!(y) I'm a life-long Catholic and also believe there are many "roads to heaven" and that scientology is just another cult that has sprung up. I believe that no person, church, cult etc. has all the answers - only God does and the best we all can do is go with our deep personal inner feelings as to what we know is the right way to behave.

Same inner feelings go for how we feel about Priscilla, Lisa and the MM and any other topic that comes up on this site.

Diane

[presley]

we will always have different opioions on priscilla and scientology.

[Diane]

And by gosh Presley, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We're not clones, we're individuals and have rights to our own opinions.;)

Diane

[presley]

And by gosh Presley, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We're not clones, we're individuals and have rights to our own opinions.;)

Diane

Right you are diane!

[srj1967]

We're individuals and have rights to our own opinions.;)

Diane

"YES! WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!" - Monty Python's Life of Brian (1979)

:P

[ajr]

ajr, I'm with you all the way!(y) I'm a life-long Catholic and also believe there are many "roads to heaven" and that scientology is just another cult that has sprung up. I believe that no person, church, cult etc. has all the answers - only God does and the best we all can do is go with our deep personal inner feelings as to what we know is the right way to behave.

Same inner feelings go for how we feel about Priscilla, Lisa and the MM and any other topic that comes up on this site.

Diane

Everyone has a right to their opinion.....but, it seems the ones that yell the loudest are the ones that get heard .;) They give me a headache.
Personally, I'd be just as happy if we're all allowed our own views & then shut up & let make people make their own choices. (y)

[stefankoch]

I voted She's alright. Not quite alright.
How was she allowed to call her surname Presley Beaulieu?
She was divorced from Elvis and married someone else.

I voted that she did`nt deserved Elvis.
But im pretty sure that Pricilla never remarried anyone.
Am i wrong?
Her "husband" she lives with now is without papers.

[ajr]

I voted that she did`nt deserved Elvis.
But im pretty sure that Pricilla never remarried anyone.
Am i wrong?
Her "husband" she lives with now is without papers.

The last I heard; Priscilla never remarried & has since left her long time "live-in" ......

Update :
Priscilla and Marco split: Tabloid story breaking news that Priscilla Presley and Marco Garibaldi have split. Priscilla and Garibaldi, an Italian raised in Brazil, have been together since 1986. Their son, Navarone, was born March 1, 1987. At the beginning of their relationship, Priscilla Presley, 60, and Garibaldi, 10 years younger, signed a promissory agreement that if they should break up, he will not write a book about her.

[EnigmaticSun]

Wouldn't it be nice if our christain religions would embrace & teach these things..instead of "hell-fire & ****************ation ?

Trying to keep to the point of this topic, I therefore have to agree with srj....why in the world did you bring this up?? It's not the time or the place.
Religion or politics have nothing to do with the decisions Priscilla makes in business..

It does concern Priscilla, so that's why I brought it up. I think occultism, gnosticism and New Age can fool people with subtlety, so I just wanted to share my thoughts with you - my words are based on my own observation and experiences.

Maybe you know the calvinist teachings best, but it's a 'different country' compared to catholicism or lutheranism. For example, I would have liked Johnny Cash to accept God's mercy instead of being so.. 'heavy'. At least my husband, who's an orthodox priest, tells me this (he would have told Johnny to be easier on himself).

George Bush doesn't take his philosophical foundation from the Bible or the Sermon on the Mount, but from Skull and Bones and other evil organizations (Bohemian Grove and such).

I somehow get the feeling people think of Elvis as 'the guy whose ex-wife looks and acts weird' and I don't think it's acceptable. But everyone is entitled to have his or her opinion.

[ajr]

Maybe you know the calvinist teachings best, but it's a 'different country' compared to catholicism or lutheranism. For example, I would have liked Johnny Cash to accept God's mercy instead of being so.. 'heavy'. At least my husband, who's an orthodox priest, tells me this (he would have told Johnny to be easier on himself).

George Bush doesn't take his philosophical foundation from the Bible or the Sermon on the Mount, but from Skull and Bones and other evil organizations (Bohemian Grove and such).

I somehow get the feeling people think of Elvis as 'the guy whose ex-wife looks and acts weird' and I don't think it's acceptable. But everyone is entitled to have his or her opinion.

I know many religions....people have a right to choose ; religion or no religion IMO. I am Catholic & I studied the Luthern form of religion. So, that makes me......??? :)

You'll get no quarrel from me about Bush. I've studied about the "Skull & Bones" too. Kinda scary, huh?? The New World Order, One Point of Light......
No good news there......but, IMO....it's off topic : . I'd advise seeking a political site . I have one I like.....very interesting.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

It does concern Priscilla, so that's why I brought it up. I think occultism, gnosticism and New Age can fool people with subtlety, so I just wanted to share my thoughts with you - my words are based on my own observation and experiences.

Maybe you know the calvinist teachings best, but it's a 'different country' compared to catholicism or lutheranism. For example, I would have liked Johnny Cash to accept God's mercy instead of being so.. 'heavy'. At least my husband, who's an orthodox priest, tells me this (he would have told Johnny to be easier on himself).

George Bush doesn't take his philosophical foundation from the Bible or the Sermon on the Mount, but from Skull and Bones and other evil organizations (Bohemian Grove and such).

I somehow get the feeling people think of Elvis as 'the guy whose ex-wife looks and acts weird' and I don't think it's acceptable. But everyone is entitled to have his or her opinion.


What the ????????????? :offtopic: this bares no relation to the topic, if it does it is so tenuous I need the huble telescope to spot it! Your response is also verbose.

[srj1967]

This bares no relation to the topic, if it does it is so tenuous I need the huble telescope to spot it! .

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[srj1967]

At least my husband, who's an orthodox priest, tells me this (he would have told Johnny to be easier on himself).


Hold on a minute! Didn't you say you were gay on another thread? So, you have a husband who's an orthodox priest then???!! What religion allows gay priests ... to marry?

Mods, I know this if off topic as well, but this is just too intriguing, to say the least!

Are we being duped here??

[ajr]

What the ????????????? :offtopic: this bares no relation to the topic, if it does it is so tenuous I need the huble telescope to spot it! Your response is also verbose.

You're a sneaky little devil ,aren't you ?? ;) :)

[EnigmaticSun]

I just gave an answer to the messages of other members. You didn't read it carefully enough - it is about Priscilla, in essence, and I just don't like Scientology. Yes, it is her choice, but I have the right to say what I think - freedom of speech was supposed to have made America great. If you don't like my posts it's okay with me.

No, it is real. As far as I know, Orthodox priests (you may know Russian, Greek churches) are allowed to marry. My husband is part of a split-party of the old-Catholic church. We have our own rules, but he's an educated man of culture and a real priest (a good one too). And as far as I know lutheran churches are marrying gay couples as well.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

You're a sneaky little devil ,aren't you ?? ;) :)

LOL, not quick enough, I thought I had posted before you :supriced:

[ajr]

I just gave an answer to the messages of other members. You didn't read it carefully enough - it is about Priscilla, in essence, and I just don't like Scientology. Yes, it is her choice, but I have the right to say what I think - freedom of speech was supposed to have made America great. If you don't like my posts it's okay with me.

No, it is real. As far as I know, Orthodox priests (you may know Russian, Greek churches) are allowed to marry. My husband is part of a split-party of the old-Catholic church. We have our own rules, but he's an educated man of culture and a real priest (a good one too). And as far as I know lutheran churches are marrying gay couples as well.

I've had some gay friends ,so I could care less what anyone's orientation is.
As with religion & politics; it's none of my business.
Just keep it all in the bedroom where it belongs, please. ;)

BACK ON TOPIC : :D
I don't ever think about Priscilla ......but when I do; my not liking her has nothing to do with Elvis or her religion.

[Burning_Love]

I have always preached against her. I have my own judgements and well i say 'Elvis loved her, she must have something' (like someone has already said) But i believe it was a more brotherly sisterly love..maybe..but he wasn't supposed to marry, if he was, he would have been a more..dedicated husband, maybe he like her because she was beautiful...i don't know?? I was never there so i can't say.

But i must say i am totally jealous of her...she was gorgeous and she married Elvis, Every Elvis female fans dream !

Yet, she talks about herself an awful lot, not Elvis, herself, especially on 'Elvis by the Presleys'. She was too young to be in a relationship with a famous rock star, her parents should have never let it happened.
But It did.
And so we can argue until were blue in the face, but the fact is they did marry, i may not like her, but i accept that.

All we have is our opinions and well, i respect all of yours and you should mine.

Thanks.

Danielle :king:

[jak]

But i must say i am totally jealous of her...she was gorgeous and she married Elvis, Every Elvis female fans dream !

After resisting the urge to post I could no longer hold back upon seeing this comment.I believe your statement is at the root of so many people's feelings towards her.I will always say she is the most unjustly crucified person that was in Elvis' circle.
Jak

[ajr]

you did good, jak......;)

I was gonna answer that post but, had to get my grandson....duty called .

I never thought I'd want to be married to Elvis. He & I would never have gotten along at all !! Different priorities.....

Neither of them were "angels".....but, I'd never have put up with what she did either. Elvis was a great entertainer . I never thought he was a perfect husband or father. He was kind to strangers & to his "friends" .
I can't say he was as kind & understanding to his wife. Please,, do not fool yourselves, ladies.

As to Pricilla, beauty is only skin deep. As my granny said: "Pretty is as Pretty does"......;)

[jak]

I do think she gave Elvis a little stability that he desperately needed.Im sure Elvis liked having his fun but I believe he liked the thought of a family at home waiting for him.I cant say if things would have turned out differently if she had stayed but I think being married with a daughter kept him grounded somewhat.I think Elvis was a paradox.He enjoyed the fruits of being the king but I think he also just wanted the simple things in life like his own family.
Jak

[ajr]

Maybe we're not so different after all. ;)

Consider the times. Many women were content to stay at home & raise their children...& see their husbands whenever they got around to coming home.

You cannot leave a woman or a man alone too long. In many ways, I saw it coming. That was never a marriage. It was an "arrangement ".

I think Elvis did enjoy the stability of having a family...maybe, in a way he was trying to "make up" for his mother having to work so much.
But, Cilla was not his mother.As she grew up, she had her own mind .
I never held that against her ; leaving Elvis. I'd have did the same.
One person cannot make a marriage work. It always takes both.

That would take some long, involved psychological debates to figure Cilla & Elvis out. ;) Don't have the time or the inclination to do that .

It's enough just trying to figure out which story is true that's been told about Elvis....:blink:

[jak]

You cannot leave a woman or a man alone too long. In many ways, I saw it coming. That was never a marriage. It was an "arrangement ".

I agree with you but I think that view would come from Elvis' side.I think he wanted a loyal wife at home who just accepted her role as he saw it.I think her independence was probably surprising to him and it might have made him uneasy.Elvis really was a good ole southern boy and the wives know their place.Im not being sexist but in the south that's a common notion even today.I do think she loved him and would have stayed if only Elvis could have been a little more suited to being a husband and father.No matter what I believe those two belonged together.To his dying day I think he wanted her back.I mentioned some time ago on the board that Mama Pauline would tell Elvis to go to California and get his wife back.Elvis would reply that he tried but she just wouldnt come back.Some may not believe that but I do.I think the divorce bruised his ego greatly.I also think when the dust settled he regretted the choices he made that led to the breakup of his family.
Jak

[ajr]

I think the divorce bruised his ego greatly.I also think when the dust settled he regretted the choices he made that led to the breakup of his family. Jak

I agree. I don't believe it ever crossed his mind she'd get lonely enough to look & find someone else. I'm not sure if they were ever in love.with each other , but who they both wanted the other to be. Of course, that's only my opinion. ;)

But notice, she didn't stay with the man she left EP for either.

[jak]

We cant speak for them but I would like to think they loved each other.I find it more comforting to think Elvis got some genuine happiness out of the marriage.I go back to Elvis' southern roots.She was the mother of his only child.Heap powerfull medicine if you know what I mean.To me those two just seemed to have a connection to one another.It's to bad it ended the way it did.
Jak

[ajr]

...... I would like to think they loved each other.I find it more comforting to think Elvis got some genuine happiness out of the marriage.I go back to Elvis' southern roots.She was the mother of his only child. Jak

Now, jak......that's exactly what you've fussed at us about. Refusing to "see" anything except what we want to see.
Think about it ......I'm going to bed . ;)

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Ultimately the were both unhappy at the split, being married is a complex business for us mere mortals, Imagine the fact that virtually every woman on the planet wanted to sleep with you and every guy wanted to be your friend, it makes a potent distraction :hmm:

[srj1967]

Why anyone would want to marry anyone else has always truly been beyond me. ;) I'm three weeks away from 40 ... and there isn't enough money in the world that would ever make me do it. Whew. I just don't get it!

Elvis should never have been married. Had the times (or his values) been different, he could very well have still had a kid with Cilla (or someone much better!) without the formality of an actual marriage.

[ajr]

Why anyone would want to marry anyone else has always truly been beyond me. ;) I'm three weeks away from 40 ... and there isn't enough money in the world that would ever make me do it. Whew. I just don't get it!

Elvis should never have been married. Had the times (or his values) been different, he could very well have still had a kid with Cilla (or someone much better!) without the formality of an actual marriage.

Maybe no one ever wanted to marry you .;)

In "my advanced years" ....I can understand what you mean though.
Many times I've said 'I should have had the kids & forgot the husband.'
They're just way too much trouble. :blink:
That was not the 'way it was then'. A child 'born out of wedlock' {societies words} carried the stigma back then as well as the mother.
Today you can have as many kids as you want with just as many different fathers.A sign of the times .Is this progressive or regressive ??

I'm not sure about Priscilla, but I agree that Elvis should never have gotten married .

[goodelvisgirl]

priscilla gave him the child and the happy home he always wanted but elvis wanted another life away from them elvis presley was one life and elvis was the caring husband and father i guess they loved each other to start but i think for her the love was not enough and she decided to leave i think because of the divorce we have some great elvis songs sung with emotion and feeling together they looked hot i think she is ok but i disslike her in a way it all depends on how you look at the situation she has become more than just elvis wife whether that was talent or the presley name who knows but i wouldnt bash her this is just my opinion sorry if others don't agree

[memphisbelle]

I think Priscilla gets a lot of harsh criticism, some of it justified, some of it not. She wanted a "normal" husband and family life, but that was never going to happen. I believe she did truly love Elvis, and he must've been in love with her at some point, you can't live with someone as long as they did just because you think they're pretty. She put up with a lot of other women and probably things we don't know the half of, neither of them were saints. Of course I think Elvis is the best looking man ever put on this earth, but there's no way I could've been married to him. Priscilla hasn't always made choices that Elvis fans agree with, but I think to hang, draw and quarter the woman is a bit much. Saying all that, I'm not a big fan of hers, but I don't loathe her either :D

[srj1967]

1. Maybe no one ever wanted to marry you
2. That was not the 'way it was then'. A child 'born out of wedlock' {societies words} carried the stigma back then as well as the mother.


1. Actually, a couple of women have, but there was no way I would go through it. I didn't need some ancient ceremony (which basically symbolises a man's ownership of a woman anyway) to verify the partnerships.
2. I was born out of wedlock in '67, and have experienced no stigma or discrimination at all throughout my life.

Elvis wanted to have his cake and eat it too; in this, he was very selfish. And his attitudes to women were old fashioned and generally sexist.

[Merry]

1. Actually, a couple of women have, but there was no way I would go through it. I didn't need some ancient ceremony (which basically symbolises a man's ownership of a woman anyway) to verify the partnerships.
2. I was born out of wedlock in '67, and have experienced no stigma or discrimination at all throughout my life.

Elvis wanted to have his cake and eat it too; in this, he was very selfish. And his attitudes to women were old fashioned and generally sexist.


You are off topic, running Elvis down again, srj (I am Off Topic too, however, I have been reading your posts, and need to respond, in some small way) as you presume a heck of a lot.

1. Generally speaking, well raised ladies, don't just sleep with someone, because they are "Elvis" or "rich", or whatever, unless there is a good friendship and love involved. Not all ladies would have hit on him, or made any first move. In those days, and later generations, ladies kept themselves for marriage (as you may know).
2. The "sexist" you talk about, was the times, surely, you know that. Macho men acted as per the culture of the time. Also, some people were raised by older generations, and look for that, and appreciate men who have qualities, that you call "sexist" (which may not be qualities, to you, but they are to others).
3. You may have not experienced stigma, but your mother may have.
4. How do you know what Elvis thought or presume to know how he was acting, unless you were there and knew the whole situation (both sides of the story?).

[srj1967]

You are off topic again srj (I am too, however, I have been reading your posts, and need to respond, in some small way) as you presume a heck of a lot.

1. Well raised ladies, don't just sleep with someone, because they are "Elvis" or rich, or whatever, unless there is love involved.
2. The "sexist" you talk about, was the times, surely, you know that. Also, some people were raised by older generations, and look for that, and appreciate men who have qualities, that you call "sexist" (which may not be qualities, to you, but they are to others).
3. You may have not experienced stigma, but your mother may have.
4. How do you know what Elvis thought?

1. Absolute rubbish. There are a lot of women (and men for that matter) who were "well raised", but who "raise hell" when their parents' and familes' backs are turned. And people can have so-called decent, Christian values and still hop in the sack with random people.
2. "The times" is no excuse. Look at Elvis' reaction to the questions about feminism during the '72 press conference. He liked his women demure in their way, and basically "in the home". We know he didn't like women (or at least his women) to have careers. "Sexism" isn't opening a door for a woman, or bringing her flowers. I think Elvis put women on a pedestal (mother issues going back into infancy, that was patently obvious) and always respected them. And I don't believe he saw women as inferior, per se. But they had their "place", and that is a version of sexism.
3. No, she didn't at all.
4. No one does. We've debated this ad infinitum. I can only go on what I see, hear and read about the man. If the reason not to discuss an aspect of Elvis' life was because we didn't know what he thought, then there'd be no point in discussing anything, and this forum might as well close.
And do not ever suggest I am "running down" Elvis again: I am the last person to do this. Just because I believe Elvis had his faults and can discuss them rationally does not mean I am running him down. You and ajr should really start your own forum ...

[ajr]

You are off topic again srj (I am too, however, I have been reading your posts, and need to respond, in some small way) as you presume a heck of a lot. ;

1. Well raised ladies, don't just sleep with someone, because they are "Elvis" or rich, or whatever, unless there is love involved.
2. The "sexist" you talk about, was the times, surely, you know that. Also, some people were raised by older generations, and look for that, and appreciate men who have qualities, that you call "sexist" (which may not be qualities, to you, but they are to others).
3. You may have not experienced stigma, but your mother may have.
4. How do you know what Elvis thought?

Amen , Jess......;) I agree with you ......

I was "born out of wedlock "too......much earlier and it did make a difference, especially in a small town.....
Of course I "got over it" . (y) It was my mother that got hurt the worst.
I was always an independent , scrappy kid. :lol:

[Merry]

1. Absolute rubbish. There are a lot of women (and men for that matter) who were "well raised", but who "raise hell" when their parent's and familes' backs are turned. And people can have so-called decent, Christian values and still hop in the sack with random people.
2. "The times" is no excuse. Look at Elvis' reaction to the questions about feminism during the '72 press conference. He liked his women demure in their way, and basically "in the home". We know he didn't like women (or at least his women) to have careers. "Sexism" isn't opening a door for a woman, or bringing her flowers. I think Elvis put women on a pedestal (mother issues going back into infancy, that was patently obvious) and always respected them. And I don't believe he saw women as inferior, per se. But they had their "place", and that is a version of sexism.
3. No, she didn't at all.
4. No one does. We've debated this ad infinitum. I can only go on what I see, hear and read about the man. If the reason not to discuss an aspect of Elvis' life was because we didn't know what he thought, then there'd be no point in discussing anything, and this forum might as well close.

1. Well excuse me, but I didn't, nor did my cousins, and friends. Depends on your family and values, I guess. Don't presume such things, that is ridiculous.
2. "The Times" is a fact. As I said, some women (me) like men like that, fact. He is my type. You are also putting today's ideas, on what was the culture, back then. There isn't anything more satisfying, for some women, to be good mothers, good wives, taking pleasure from their family.
3. Good, again, depends on the circles. I'm thrilled for her, that her neighbours and family friends embraced her (I'm being genuine). A lot didn't.
4. Right, no-one does, except him. I go on what I'm told by his friends, who were there and have no agenda. So why do you presume? Talk about facts, the rest is beneath you, surely?

[ajr]

1. ...... people can have so-called decent, Christian values and still hop in the sack with random people.
If the reason not to discuss an aspect of Elvis' life was because we didn't know what he thought, then there'd be no point in discussing anything, and this forum might as well close.

WOW !! I didn't know that !! What church taught you Christian values??
and, of course......you give one opinion.

Back then it was not considered acceptable to Cilla or her parents .
EP should never have moved her in with him. He was stuck, IMO.
Look at what happened to Jerry Lee Lewis' career.......

[srj1967]

1. There isn't anything more satisfying, for some women, to be good mothers, good wives, taking pleasure from their family.
2. I go on what I'm told by his friends, who were there and have no agenda. So why do you presume? Talk about facts, the rest is beneath you, surely?

1. No argument. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be a good wife and good mother, or to stay at home and raise a family. But only if it is the woman's choice to do so.
2. How do you know he didn't think that way? Our respective points of view are equally as valid ...

[Merry]

1. No argument. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be a good wife and good mother, or to stay at home and raise a family. But only if it is the woman's choice to do so.
2. How do you know he didn't think that way? Our respective points of view are equally as valid ...


No-one knows what Elvis thought, only him. We all do things for many reasons, some of it consciously, some sub-consciously (sometimes we don't know we are doing that). So how can we presume to know what anyone else thinks?

However, if Elvis explained his thoughts to someone, or explained something that happened, and it is first hand, from a friend without an agenda, I will whole heartedly listen to what they share.

[goodelvisgirl]

each to their own values and beliefes we love elvis for the music and the genuine person he was what he thought about women is another matter cilla did her best maybee she could have done better the same goes for elvis the issue was what do you think of cilla i personaly dont love her nor do i hate her although they were the same religion so i would presume they were tought the same beliefesand values i am enjoying all the comments but in the end i love elvis and no person is perfect not even the king.

[jak]

"Elvis wanted to have his cake and eat it too; in this, he was very selfish. And his attitudes to women were old fashioned and generally sexist."

Im gonna try and tread lightly here as not to arise anyones temper.Keep in mind that Im entitled to my own opinion.Here we go.I dont see how anybody that knows Presley could argue with the statement quoted above.It was a pattern that Elvis displayed with other women also.Elvis was incapable of being faithfull,hence the cake and eat it too comment.That's just who he was.He did the same to Linda.He expected loyalty from his partner while he had none.If you look at it rationally we all know that was the case.Nothing new about that.WE already knew that if were honest.
One other thing.I hope everyone is staying calm by the way.If anybody thinks Elvis Presley didnt get his fair share of well raised ladies.I mean c'mon.He was the king you know.Im guessing many a fine young lady was overpowered by the sheer magnitude of being in the prescence of Elvis Presley.Whatever momma might have taught them was probably quickly forgotten about once Elvis was around.Elvis probably could have charmed a nun right out of her habit.Pun intended.I am not trying to be rude or crude either.Im just saying that Elvis was the man.
Jak

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

However, if Elvis explained his thoughts to someone, or explained something that happened, and it is first hand, from a friend without an agenda, I will whole heartedly listen to what they share.

100% disagree (n) Everyone has an agenda...... example, Elvis tells me his thoughts and feelings, I love Elvis I will interpret them in a positive way, I hate Elvis I will interpret them in a negative way.

You say that if you hear something first hand with no agenda you will listen, sorry I don't buy this either, you are only hearing what you want to hear! Describe what an agenda is? Is it something negative?

"You don't know how Elvis thought"

I have heard this line so often lately that I think we need to put it to bed!!

There are a lot of books out there that describe Elvis very similarly, are we too assume that these are accurate descriptions or not? or do all these people have an "AGENDA"

If we are in agreement there are people who have written books that are accurate then we must be able to extrapolate within reasonable parameters what happened on certain occaisions.... not all.

Nobody can talk on Elvis' behalf....... Nobody, to say that you cannot make a comment is a ridiculous statement. We can make what we consider to be informed opinions, we can make wild accusations, this is what forums are about. We toss ideas to and throw and hopefully we can agree at some point..... maybe we wont

If we don't agree then perhaps we should just avoid that post? to to trott out "You don't know how Elvis felt" is a no brainer, then to say well my friend who spoke to Elvis 30 years ago clearly remembers this and that and has no agenda.......

In the end we are all just GUESSING and SPECULATING albeit second or third hand from good or bad intentioned friends or acquaintances.

[srj1967]

"You don't know how Elvis thought"

I have heard this line so often lately that I think we need to put it to bed!!

(Agreed, along with "Elvis was only human"!!) - srj1967

To say that you cannot make a comment is a ridiculous statement. We can make what we consider to be informed opinions, we can make wild accusations, this is what forums are about. We toss ideas to and throw and hopefully we can agree at some point..... maybe we wont



Well said! (y)

[Miss Clawdy]

"Elvis wanted to have his cake and eat it too; in this, he was very selfish. And his attitudes to women were old fashioned and generally sexist."

Im gonna try and tread lightly here as not to arise anyones temper.Keep in mind that Im entitled to my own opinion.Here we go.I dont see how anybody that knows Presley could argue with the statement quoted above.It was a pattern that Elvis displayed with other women also.Elvis was incapable of being faithfull,hence the cake and eat it too comment.That's just who he was.He did the same to Linda.He expected loyalty from his partner while he had none.If you look at it rationally we all know that was the case.Nothing new about that.WE already knew that if were honest.
One other thing.I hope everyone is staying calm by the way.If anybody thinks Elvis Presley didnt get his fair share of well raised ladies.I mean c'mon.He was the king you know.Im guessing many a fine young lady was overpowered by the sheer magnitude of being in the prescence of Elvis Presley.Whatever momma might have taught them was probably quickly forgotten about once Elvis was around.Elvis probably could have charmed a nun right out of her habit.Pun intended.I am not trying to be rude or crude either.Im just saying that Elvis was the man.
Jak

Agree

and the woman who is without sin cast the first stone......;)

[Merry]

100% disagree (n) Everyone has an agenda...... example, Elvis tells me his thoughts and feelings, I love Elvis I will interpret them in a positive way, I hate Elvis I will interpret them in a negative way.

Totally untrue. A lot of people have nothing to gain, athough a lot (MM) have things to hide. (Their behaviour and/or reasons why they say things. To get back, to hide their own "fuzzy memory" for what they were taking at the time, or simply spiteful. That is their agenda! You are twisting words, because if one has an Emotional IQ when listening to someone's description, taking their body language, inflection, etc., into account. It is obvious if someone is spiteful, they don't have a high Emotional IQ (as is some of these authors). Some, in fact, journalised what was said, (my friend) and are not relying on a drugged up memory.


You say that if you hear something first hand with no agenda you will listen, sorry I don't buy this either, you are only hearing what you want to hear! Describe what an agenda is? Is it something negative?.

a?gen?da /əˈdʒɛndə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-jen-duh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, formally a plural of. agendum, but usually used as a singular with plural. -das or -da. a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.: The chairman says we have a lengthy agenda this afternoon.

I am NOT one to hear only what I want to hear, you are presuming.


"You don't know how Elvis thought"

I have heard this line so often lately that I think we need to put it to bed!!

There are a lot of books out there that describe Elvis very similarly, are we too assume that these are accurate descriptions or not? or do all these people have an "AGENDA".


If they are MM books, yes. Goldman, yes, anything to do with MM, yes. Elvis' step mother, yes. Anyone who writes a book in a negative tone, and takes the money, has an agenda. A lot of Elvis' friends didn't, or wrote about the good things, and/or put things in context, not digs to hide their own story, which they wouldn't like coming out.

A friendship = not airing personal stories in public to receive payment of same, from a publishing company. How low a person is that?

Would you like who you confide in, selling your story for money?



"If we are in agreement there are people who have written books that are accurate then we must be able to extrapolate within reasonable parameters what happened on certain occaisions.... not all.

Nobody can talk on Elvis' behalf....... Nobody, to say that you cannot make a comment is a ridiculous statement. We can make what we consider to be informed opinions, we can make wild accusations, this is what forums are about. We toss ideas to and throw and hopefully we can agree at some point..... maybe we wont

If we don't agree then perhaps we should just avoid that post? to to trott out "You don't know how Elvis felt" is a no brainer, then to say well my friend who spoke to Elvis 30 years ago clearly remembers this and that and has no agenda.......

In the end we are all just GUESSING and SPECULATING albeit second or third hand from good or bad intentioned friends or acquaintances.


To make "wild accusations" would be off topic, now wouldn't it, unless you set up a thread for same?

Informed opinion based on what? Based on a book written by an MM who is trying to justify their own behaviour/and or write personal discussions for money? It isn't rocket science to figure them out. Most do, there are a small selection of people who don't. If someone is selling something for money, which is negative, you have to wonder why?

Yes, well why don't you avoid the post, since you are supposed to be neutral?

"My friend.....etc." happened to journalise what happened, so yes, of course I believe what is said. There isn't an agenda, because there isn't any money to be made, this person isn't making money out of Elvis, or receiving any "glory" by big noting, "sharing information" and running others down, as you have allowed to happen here, in the past.

Disagree re speculating re my sources. Journals/diaries are admissable in court. The sppeculation allowed on here, the negativity, from some author's life experience/s isn't (or some are self important because they've met an "MM". Weird, they are just people. People who betray friends for money.

It is 3:00 a.m. here, so I'm not sure how foggy my brain is, hope it made sense.

I feel as a Mod, you should be neutral, as how can you do your job correctly, if you take sides? If I send you an email privately, you don't bother to reply, yet you are fast to defend members on here, who have the same outlook as you.

Is this the way of this Board? I think it fair that we as members, know where we stand.



Note made in the light of day:

I'm not happy with the tone of my above post, I wrote it at 3:00 a.m. in the morning, so apologies for the tone, it actually wasn't written with a "tone" lol, it is obviously how I am while typing asleep (yes I sleep walk, too, lol, I have another thing on common with Elvis).

[KPM]

In the end we are all just GUESSING and SPECULATING albeit second or third hand from good or bad intentioned friends or acquaintance.
This is a statement I totally agree with.
IMO There are many reasons that "truth" is stretched, bent, exploited, sensationalised and shaded. Money, vengence, envy, hurt feelings, pride, or low self esteem. I have several times said that Elvis will never tell us his side on anything-and I think thats a valid point. We would be hearing a much different story I'm sure from his point of view. But his view would be naturally goverened by the same things I have stated about all who give their side. His side would be filtered through all the emotions and inner feelings that the MM (or any person for that matter)have. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to Elvis on somethings, but that does not mean I bury my head in the sand to his faults. The only thing in "guessing and speculating" that bothers me is when some do not present their opinion as sjust that. When someone gives a "definitive answer" on debateable topics that bothers me. I am willing to read and listen to just about anyone and can agree on somethings and agree to disagree on others. But I don't take anything written by MM, Priscilla, or anyone else as gospel-because it has been filtered and because of the reasons I stated for "truth" getting bent etc... By the same token I have no doubt Elvis's version would have the same flaws.
So because its him we are talking about and its "his talent" that gave everyone who has written a book(Priscilla included) any voice at all-when stories are extreme, or have changed over time, or seem vindictive or hurtful-I tend to give Elvis the benefit of the doubt. For me thats fair.
I hope that does not offend anyone.

[Diane]

Well I'll tell you what....I think Jak is right on about Elvis being able to charm the p......ts off darn near any girl (another pun:D ) that was "well brought up" or not. I was brought up about as strict as you can get and I would have had one heck of a time trying to say no to him. Well brought girls have natural instincts and emotions too and he would have evoked those feelings in a big way.

The only trouble is if he had been able to get around me, I would never have wanted to let him go.:'(

Diane

[Merry]

One other thing.I hope everyone is staying calm by the way.If anybody thinks Elvis Presley didnt get his fair share of well raised ladies.I mean c'mon.He was the king you know.Im guessing many a fine young lady was overpowered by the sheer magnitude of being in the prescence of Elvis Presley.Whatever momma might have taught them was probably quickly forgotten about once Elvis was around.Elvis probably could have charmed a nun right out of her habit.Pun intended.I am not trying to be rude or crude either.Im just saying that Elvis was the man.
Jak


Elvis was a gentleman, for one.

Elvis was still a man, Jak, a human being, a lot of women have values. It isn't just about sex, there is more to it than that. What is the point of a one night stand, if it doesn't lead anywhere?

Each to their own, what their thoughts and upbringing is.

A lot of women, as I said, need to love first. (We are wired differently from men). I wouldn't be surprised if Elvis respected that, knowing they just wouldn't jump into bed with anyone.

I've never been star struck, I am lucky to mix in a lot of different circles, people are only people. Some are wonderful, some aren't.

[goodelvisgirl]

no doubt elvis was a hit with the girls he was a dam good lookin doll priscilla might have maried him but many girls had a love with elvis (if you know what i mean)manners religion well brought up or not they are easily forgotten with charm and a good lookin doll like elvis i dont mean to be rude or crude by what i say

[Merry]

Well I'll tell you what....I think Jak is right on about Elvis being able to charm the p......ts off darn near any girl (another pun:D ) that was "well brought up" or not. I was brought up about as strict as you can get and I would have had one heck of a time trying to say no to him. Well brought girls have natural instincts and emotions too and he would have evoked those feelings in a big way.

The only trouble is if he had been able to get around me, I would never have wanted to let him go.:'(

Diane


Of course they do, and nothing wrong with mine (natural instincts).

I'm talking as a girl in her late teenage years, or early twenties, meeting Elvis, then just jumping into bed, without hardly knowing him, for a one night stand. How could a man respect a girl/woman, if she just said "sure" and jumped into bed, without any type of relationship to concrete their feelings, first?

Just sex? lol:clap:

Jess

fitz, we just be, 'tis cool.

[Merry]

In the end we are all just GUESSING and SPECULATING albeit second or third hand from good or bad intentioned friends or acquaintance.
This is a statement I totally agree with.
I tend to give Elvis the benefit of the doubt. For me thats fair.
I hope that does not offend anyone.

All well said, it is about giving the benefit of the doubt.

Need to go back to bed, lol........ hehe



Jess

[srj1967]

"My friend.....etc." happened to journalise what happened, so yes, of course I believe what is said. There isn't an agenda, because there isn't any money to be made, this person isn't making money out of Elvis.'

I feel as a Mod, you should be neutral, as how can you do your job correctly, if you take sides? If I send you an email privately, you don't bother to reply, yet you are fast to defend members on here, who have the same outlook as you.


Who is this "friend" of which you speak?

And just because someone isn't making money doesn't mean they don't have an agenda. Everyone has an agenda for every single action they take in life.

As for the Mods, why do they have to be neutral? They are here to run the site and make sure people don't swear or get too far off topic, or whatever. Like any thinking persons, they have opinions which may (and quite often do) differ from yours.

I simply cannot fathom why people get so upset when others disagree with their opinions here. If you take the time to place an opinion on this board, be prepared to back it up with either a) facts, if you're talking about something that can be quantified (eg concert / song info) or b) further elaboration if you say something more subjective; that way, more debate is stimulated.

Sonny West has agendas with his book: to set the record straight. To make money: good luck to him. To give the fans more information on Elvis. Maybe several others. Again, I cannot understand why people are so angry with him and the Wests, thirty years later. Let it go.

As a journalist, I always stick to this maxim when researching a story:

There are three sides to any argument: what you think happened, what I think happened, and what really happened.

[srj1967]

What is the point of a one night stand, if it doesn't lead anywhere?


You must be kidding!

I'll bet one million dollars that every male reading that question is laughing right now! :lol:

We men can be downright pigs when it comes to the trouser action with women, Jess, and Elvis was no different.

Gents, am I right?

[Diane]

I have to agree with you Jess on one night stands - a definite no-no, but most of us were already at least half in love with Elvis and he didn't feel like a stranger, he made us feel like we all knew him personally. And that's what I meant about not wanting to let him go - a one night stand or temporary relationship with him would have been torture. A girl with strong values would be left feeling unloved, unworthy, cast off and ruined.

Diane.

[ajr]

1}As for the Mods, why do they have to be neutral?

2} As a journalist, I always stick to this maxim when researching a story:

3}There are three sides to any argument: what you think happened, what I think happened, and what really happened.

#1 = Mods should remain neutral to uphold the stanard of the site.
They need to go someplace else to "take sides". Preferably where they're not known.
#2 =I'm assuming you work for Fox News.
#3 =On this I totally agree......it's just that no one here looks to find "what really happened." :)

[KPM]

Has anyone here heard the Parable the "6 Blind men and the Elephant"?
It was six men of Indostan,
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind......

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
I think in the Elvis world this ancient story from India has great meaning.:D

[KPM]

I only posted the 1st and last verses because it was so long.

[ajr]

Has anyone here heard the Parable the "6 Blind men and the Elephant"?

Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
I think in the Elvis world this ancient story from India has great meaning.:D

Agreed. ;) IMO, we all are "partly right, partly wrong."
I'm not gonna expound on this .....as we all should know what we "think". Though, sometimes I wonder. :)

To not allow an open mind is to stifle the imagination & I'm sure to miss a lot of important information. In all things. :hmm:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Totally untrue. A lot of people have nothing to gain, athough a lot (MM) have things to hide. (Their behaviour and/or reasons why they say things. To get back, to hide their own "fuzzy memory" for what they were taking at the time, or
simply spiteful. That is their agenda! You are twisting words, because if one has an Emotional IQ when listening to someone's description, taking their body language, inflection, etc., into account. It is obvious if someone is spiteful, they don't have a high Emotional IQ (as is some of these authors). Some, in fact, journalised what was said, (my friend) and are not relying on a drugged up memory.

Just who is your friend, do the MM all have a drug induced fuzzy agenda and your friend not.... balderdash, what you are saying is your friend has the only truth!!!! YOU are assuming that people can't read between the lines? I find that insulting.



a?gen?da /əˈdʒɛndə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-jen-duh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, formally a plural of. agendum, but usually used as a singular with plural. -das or -da. a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.: The chairman says we have a lengthy agenda this afternoon.

I am NOT one to hear only what I want to hear, you are presuming.

I do not presume, you clearly do! you presume all the MM were drugged up with fuzzy memories?



If they are MM books, yes. Goldman, yes, anything to do with MM, yes. Elvis' step mother, yes. Anyone who writes a book in a negative tone, and takes the money, has an agenda. A lot of Elvis' friends didn't, or wrote about the good things, and/or put things in context, not digs to hide their own story, which they wouldn't like coming out.

More presumption here....... what books in your opinion should I read for a true reflection and why would you think I haven't already read them? To make an informed decision you must read all available material.



A friendship = not airing personal stories in public to receive payment of same, from a publishing company. How low a person is that?

IN YOUR OPINION, I am sure there are many things that have transpired that have not been sold for 13 pieces of silver.




To make "wild accusations" would be off topic, now wouldn't it, unless you set up a thread for same?

No need for a new thread, you have already made "Wild Accusations" in this thread (Just look at the red highlights)


Informed opinion based on what? Based on a book written by an MM who is trying to justify their own behaviour/and or write personal discussions for money? It isn't rocket science to figure them out. Most do, there are a small selection of people who don't. If someone is selling something for money, which is negative, you have to wonder why?

Again more assumptions that I am discussing the MM books?



Yes, well why don't you avoid the post, since you are supposed to be neutral?

Who said I am neutral? I have an opinion......


"My friend.....etc." happened to journalise what happened, so yes, of course I believe what is said. There isn't an agenda, because there isn't any money to be made, this person isn't making money out of Elvis, or receiving any "glory" by big noting, "sharing information"
and running others down, as you have allowed to happen here, in the past.

I find this to be offensive, what you are in fact saying here is that ALL the moderators are allowing people to be run down! this is just not the case, the moderators run this site well, what people don't like here is having their views challenged, but want to be able to challenge others with complete impunity!


Disagree re speculating re my sources. Journals/diaries are admissable in court. The sppeculation allowed on here, the negativity, from some author's life experience/s isn't (or some are self important because they've met an "MM".
Weird, they are just people. People who betray friends formoney.

Your comments are just as inadmissible as anyone else' here!



I feel as a Mod, you should be neutral, as how can you do your job correctly, if you take sides? If I send you an email privately, you don't bother to reply, yet you are fast to defend members on here, who have the same outlook as you.

I have had emails from you regarding others on here, I have had emails from others regarding you! I feel as a moderator that sometimes it is better to let things settle and run there course. If it is serious I will take the appropriate action. I have not defended those who have broke the rules, they will be dealt with appropriately and not discussed in public. Just because I happen to agree with others on this board does not mean I approve of their behaviour. Likewise I am here to let discussion run freely if possible and not close threads or rebuke those who think contrary to others.


Is this the way of this Board? I think it fair that we as members, know where we stand.

There are several moderators on this board, if you feel that you are being unfairly treated by all means report any post you deam unfit... it will be investigated and dealt with in the appropriate manor. Just because people disagree with you does not mean they are treating you unfairly.

[Merry]

I have to agree with you Jess on one night stands - a definite no-no, but most of us were already at least half in love with Elvis and he didn't feel like a stranger, he made us feel like we all knew him personally. And that's what I meant about not wanting to let him go - a one night stand or temporary relationship with him would have been torture. A girl with strong values would be left feeling unloved, unworthy, cast off and ruined.

Diane.



You know Diane, I don't think (my opinion) that all those years ago, one of his ladies felt that way, the ones he was with, I would gather, they knew the deal. I am presuming here, totally, but what we all hear are nice things, loving things. How they loved him (there is a live interview on Elvis International with one of his girlfriends). His intentions were always good. I feel uncomfortable, this isn't my business, so I'll leave it, now.

Elvis was a gentleman.

You are a good person Diane (I'm just generalising re my first paragraph, nothing directed at you).

Jess

[jak]

"Elvis was still a man, Jak, a human being, a lot of women have values. It isn't just about sex, there is more to it than that. What is the point of a one night stand, if it doesn't lead anywhere? "

I believe the one night stand may be more commonplace than you think regardless of it leading nowhere.I think Elvis was basically a gentleman and I think he had more one night stands than he could count.I believe his exploits are fairly legendary.That's not knocking him either.He loved women and they loved him.His conquests in that department go back to the early years as well.If anybody thinks Elvis Presley refrained from one night stands I say they are sadly mistaken.Once again,Elvis was the man.
It's good to be the king;)
Jak

[Merry]

Just who is your friend, do the MM all have a drug induced fuzzy agenda and your friend not.... balderdash, what you are saying is your friend has the only truth!!!! YOU are assuming that people can't read between the lines? I find that insulting..

I'm able to tell you privately. "Drug induced fuzzy agenda" you just put that well.


.
More presumption here....... what books in your opinion should I read for a true reflection and why would you think I haven't already read them? To make an informed decision you must read all available material..


Please see above, I shall email you privately.


.
Who said I am neutral? I have an opinion.......


As a moderator, we (yes other members here included) would have thought that would HAVE TO BE in a neutral position. So the parameters here are fuzzy, perhaps others may want to address this, or not? It isn't my board. I haven't mentioned one other moderator, so I don't know where you get your sweeping statement. I"m sorry you are angry. I have emailed (very briefly) BBM, Tommy, they are lovely men, but they aren't in these threads, so I don't understand the correlation you are making?

[Merry]

#1 = Mods should remain neutral to uphold the stanard of the site.
They need to go someplace else to "take sides". Preferably where they're not known.
#2 =I'm assuming you work for Fox News.
#3 =On this I totally agree......it's just that no one here looks to find "what really happened." :)



1. I thought that was what Mods did, too. Perhaps this has been where we have been wrong, ajr? (No sarcasm, it would be nice to clear the air. The mods may need to find out what their parameters are, so we aren't confused, feeling they should be neutral, when that isn't the case, here?).

3. Yes, it would be wonderful if people thought out of the square, to find out what really happened. Yes, some of Elvis' friends are sick of the lies and are doing something about it.

Jess

[Diane]

Jess, thank you, I know you weren't directing your post at me and I do believe that Elvis in his way was very much the gentleman and that the women he saw took things as they were and understood the relationship wasn't going to be permanent.

I also know that you are right Jak that one night stands are much more commonplace than most of us are aware of (especially today) and that it was going on during those earlier years as well. Sure I believe that Elvis probably had several. Why wouldn't I? I heard guys talk about it way back when I was a teenager. Today you see it in every other movie that's put out. We do live in a throwaway society nowadays - including relationships and that's sad - everything is devalued.

What was the original subject of this thread anyway?:D

Diane

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I"m sorry you are angry. I have emailed (very briefly) BBM, Tommy, they are lovely men, but they aren't in these threads, so I don't understand the correlation you are making?

I am not angry, I also do not make things personal, I question what is written in threads on these boards. I do not question your personal Integrity because I do not know you.

Just because other moderators do not post in threads does not mean that they do not read them.

I will respond to you email.

JJ

[Merry]

Jess, thank you, I know you weren't directing your post at me and I do believe that Elvis in his way was very much the gentleman and that the women he saw took things as they were and understood the relationship wasn't going to be permanent.

I also know that you are right Jak that one night stands are much more commonplace than most of us are aware of (especially today) and that it was going on during those earlier years as well. Sure I believe that Elvis probably had several. Why wouldn't I? I heard guys talk about it way back when I was a teenager. Today you see it in every other movie that's put out. We do live in a throwaway society nowadays - including relationships and that's sad - everything is devalued.

What was the original subject of this thread anyway?:D

Diane



LOL, I LOVE your last line, Diane.

If I had a little girl, I would be raising her, as I was raised (I have a boy, so hmmm lol). My cousins are raising their little girls the same way. We are old fashioned, I guess. (y)

Jess

[jak]

I also know that you are right Jak that one night stands are much more commonplace than most of us are aware of (especially today) and that it was going on during those earlier years as well. Sure I believe that Elvis probably had several. Why wouldn't I? I heard guys talk about it way back when I was a teenager. Today you see it in every other movie that's put out. We do live in a throwaway society nowadays - including relationships and that's sad - everything is devalued.


Elvis had so much temptation.I doubt if anybody could have resisted.It's obvious he had a steady supply of women throwing themselves at him on a continous basis.If only I had problems like that;)
Jak

[Diane]

LOL Jess, yes we are.:D

Diane

[SweetCaroline]

I totally upsets me what Priscilla did to Elvis emotionally. :angry: I don't think I will ever get over that. :angry: I was so happy when they met. I thought the pictures of her waving goodbye from Germany were wonderful and thought that she was going to be a good life-mate for ELVIS. She sure disappointed. :mad:
I am happy that Priscilla has turned the Elvis Empire around and kept his name out there for us fans...though the bottom line is... she really did it for HER and Lisa's bottom line.
I try to think about what Elvis would feel about Graceland, etc., and I think he would be happy about Priscilla helping HIM take care of Lisa Marie financially....that also in turn...brought some joy and comfort to the fans.

[ajr]

What was the original subject of this thread anyway?:D
Diane

:hmm:" What do you think about Priscilla??";)
Amazing how these things spiral out of control, isn't it ??:lmfao:

This one I "sat out." In fact didn't even know it was going on.
Lucky me ....

I try my best to "not think about Cilla." For many reasons.
Some books swear Cilla & Elvis had sex before marriage ; others say no they didn't. It would seem that only the two people mentioned would know exactly what "having sex" meant to them.
Of course, if one reads another famous book; Elvis had sex with "lots of little girls in white panties; including Cilla."

What is true, what is BS???
That's what keeping an open mind means to me.
Unfortunately, there seem to be no open minds around most of the time.
It seems many have made up their minds years ago & won't listen to anything else. It's all a closed subject & nothing else can get in.
That's their loss. :'(

Then you see many people writing books. They say,"we talked to all the VIP's or 'ones that were there'.....so I'm right." It's kinda funny if it wasn't so sad.
I like to call & talk to the authors of some of these books or go see them in person. You'd be surprised at what some of them will tell you. ;)

You see the back of the books where they "credit" their sources??
Most of them take their info from "other authors".
There is no new info out here. It's already happened.

Think about that & research their sources, when a "new book" comes out.
Even Sonny credits other people in a "he said, she said".

IMO , I can't help but think one should keep an open mind until all the cards are played.....;) :)

[Merry]

Elvis had so much temptation.I doubt if anybody could have resisted.It's obvious he had a steady supply of women throwing themselves at him on a continous basis.
Jak


Jak, and some women understand that, too. (y)

Jess

[Merry]

:hmm:" What do you think about Priscilla??";)
Amazing how these things spiral out of control, isn't it ??:lmfao:

This one I "sat out." In fact didn't even know it was going on.
Lucky me ....

I try my best to "not think about Cilla." For many reasons.
Some books swear Cilla & Elvis had sex before marriage ; others say no they didn't. It would seem that only the two people mentioned would know exactly what "having sex" meant to them.
Of course, if one reads another famous book; Elvis had sex with "lots of little girls in white panties; including Cilla."

What is true, what is BS???
That's what keeping an open mind means to me.
Unfortunately, there seem to be no open minds around most of the time.
It seems many have made up their minds years ago & won't listen to anything else. It's all a closed subject & nothing else can get in.
That's their loss. :'(

Then you see many people writing books. They say,"we talked to all the VIP's or 'ones that were there'.....so I'm right." It's kinda funny if it wasn't so sad.
I like to call & talk to the authors of some of these books or go see them in person. You'd be surprised at what some of them will tell you. ;)

You see the back of the books where they "credit" their sources??
Most of them take their info from "other authors".
There is no new info out here. It's already happened.

Think about that & research their sources, when a "new book" comes out.
Even Sonny credits other people in a "he said, she said".

IMO , I can't help but think one should keep an open mind until all the cards are played.....;) :)


I agree, AJR, re quoting other authors (from what has been shared with me).

The fans can't help form their opinions, as they can only go on what they read. This is why it would be good if the fans did open up to other opinions, rather than slamming the doors in our faces, adamently saying we are wrong, while (previously) throwing an insult in, for good measure.

I don't speak authoritively, that isn't me, but I do have something to say, and it isn't my opinion (I say it is, when it is).

People, friends of Elvis', just want the fans to understand, that they love Elvis, they want to right what has been misleading, and share another side to the story. These friends of Elvis' don't speak authoritively, either, yet they have something to say, which should be seriously considered.

That is all I'm trying to do, is to help, through them, to try and change what has been misleadingly written, and give the point of view from Elvis' friends, whose only agenda (to refer back to that) is to try and do what is right.

How can that be so wrong, if expressed with love?

Jess

[Diane]

Lol Jak, I don't believe ANY red-blooded male could resist all the women that threw themselves at Elvis. Maybe there is more temptation for you out there than you know but don't recognize it because you're such an innocent (like my husband and son).:D I've seen several instances where it just went right over their heads and they say I'm just as bad so I guess we're suited.:blush: No egotists in this family lol.

Jess, Ajr, I hope you both find answers to all these questions on the loyalties (or disloyalties) of Elvis' wife and "friends" or what really caused his death. For myself, I just don't care anymore - tired of it all. I've read about his faults, his qualities and formed a person in my mind I call Elvis who's neither a saint nor a devil - right or wrong it works for me and I try to pass my image of him along if the subject comes up.

I will never know whether I could have stayed with him if I had been in Priscilla's place or have handled things better. Some things I've read of him makes me darn near adore him, others turn me off completely (the white panties thing for instance if that's true). So, I sit back, look at his beautiful face, watch his graceful moves and listen to that incredible voice and forget all the rest.

Diane

[Merry]

Lol Jak, I don't believe ANY red-blooded male could resist all the women that threw themselves at Elvis. Maybe there is more temptation for you out there than you know but don't recognize it because you're such an innocent (like my husband and son).:D I've seen several instances where it just went right over their heads and they say I'm just as bad so I guess we're suited.:blush: No egotists in this family lol.

Jess, Ajr, I hope you both find answers to all these questions on the loyalties (or disloyalties) of Elvis' wife and "friends" or what really caused his death. For myself, I just don't care anymore - tired of it all. I've read about his faults, his qualities and formed a person in my mind I call Elvis who's neither a saint nor a devil - right or wrong it works for me and I try to pass my image of him along if the subject comes up.

I will never know whether I could have stayed with him if I had been in Priscilla's place or have handled things better. Some things I've read of him makes me darn near adore him, others turn me off completely (the white panties thing for instance if that's true). So, I sit back, look at his beautiful face, watch his graceful moves and listen to that incredible voice and forget all the rest.

Diane



Dearest Diane,

I'm not getting involved in 'Cilla, not my business. My point is ONLY the misleading conceptions out there re Elvis (so I am waayyyy off topic, in this section, lol, waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy. GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!! hehe) I would like to get other sides of the story out there, helping change misleading mis-conceptions re Elvis, sorry if I wasn't clear.

I love Elvis, no doubt about it, he is my type, faults (which I have) and all. LOL re things going over heads (or just trying to ignore it :blush: ).

With regard to our children, boys, lol......Weeeeeeeellll my "little darling" does Eventing, (Dressage/Showjumping/Cross Country) the ratio of girls to boys is probably 20 to one (he isn't stupid, lol). All the girls are fit, full of life and fun. The other men in Eventing, all walk around with their friends, too, lol.

The talks with my boy have started already, as I watch him walking around with his pretty female friends (heck I'm proud of him buuuuuuttttt.....lol, I'm going to need some advice..... :doh: . At least he'll have choice. :)

Jess

[ajr]

Jess, Ajr, I hope you both find answers to all these questions on the loyalties (or disloyalties) of Elvis' wife and "friends" or what really caused his death.

For myself, I just don't care anymore - tired of it all.
Diane

Truthfully, I don't give a hoot about any of that. I'd just like to see if I can clean up his image so many decided to trash. Just by finding & telling the truth.

I understand ....I quit this stuff every other day. ;)
Especially after days like this. :'(

[SweetCaroline]

I agree, AJR, re quoting other authors (from what has been shared with me).

The fans can't help form their opinions, as they can only go on what they read. This is why it would be good if the fans did open up to other opinions, rather than slamming the doors in our faces, adamently saying we are wrong, while (previously) throwing an insult in, for good measure.

I don't speak authoritively, that isn't me, but I do have something to say, and it isn't my opinion (I say it is, when it is).

People, friends of Elvis', just want the fans to understand, that they love Elvis, they want to right what has been misleading, and share another side to the story. These friends of Elvis' don't speak authoritively, either, yet they have something to say, which should be seriously considered.

That is all I'm trying to do, is to help, through them, to try and change what has been misleadingly written, and give the point of view from Elvis' friends, whose only agenda (to refer back to that) is to try and do what is right.

How can that be so wrong, if expressed with love?

Jess


Hi Jess,
I am a new kid on the block here. I am kind of laying low as I get a lay of the land. I am an old fan that was there at the shows in Vegas 70-75 and followed the tours a bit. I got to meet Elvis back stage Valentine's 71 after the dinner show and get a sweet kiss. Been collecting stuff since I was nine. I love your post above. Really really appreciated the words on behalf of ones like me. One thing I am taking away from the message board as I go to bed tonight after my first day skimming through. Most of the newer fans who weren't there seem to have such a different "picture" of Elvis than the one most of us who were there during those long ago times have. That is the main thing I seem to be observing. I find it sad :'( Elvis has been reinvented by all the books and media since death...in such an unflattering way. :blink: I guess that is about all I wanted to say. Thank you for your posts that are uplifting to Elvis' spirit and image. Of the ones I have read so far I have enjoyed your's the most. (y)

I also wanted to say that I am happily amazed at so many new fans...of all ages and countries....that have joined the ranks. Only Elvis :D could still be filling the room three decades after he left the building. :D

IMHO

[Merry]

Hi Jess,
I am a new kid on the block here. I am kind of laying low as I get a lay of the land. I am an old fan that was there at the shows in Vegas 70-75 and followed the tours a bit. I got to meet Elvis back stage Valentine's 71 after the dinner show and get a sweet kiss. Been collecting stuff since I was nine. I love your post above. Really really appreciated the words on behalf of ones like me. One thing I am taking away from the message board as I go to bed tonight after my first day skimming through. Most of the newer fans who weren't there seem to have such a different "picture" of Elvis than the one most of us who were there during those long ago times have. That is the main thing I seem to be observing. I find it sad :'( Elvis has been reinvented by all the books and media since death...in such an unflattering way. :blink: I guess that is about all I wanted to say. Thank you for your posts that are uplifting to Elvis' spirit and image. Of the ones I have read so far I have enjoyed your's the most. (y)

I also wanted to say that I am happily amazed at so many new fans...of all ages and countries....that have joined the ranks. Only Elvis :D could still be filling the room three decades after he left the building. :D

IMHO


Dearest SweetCaroline,

Thank you for your lovely words.

:hug:
Jess

[riley]

SweetCaroline,

You are such a lucky person.

Tell us all about him and your meetings...

[srj1967]

SweetCaroline,

You are such a lucky person.

Tell us all about him and your meetings...

Yes, but please put it on the Did you see Elvis thread ...

As for "It totally upsets me what Priscilla did to Elvis emotionally" from SweetCaroline ... Cilla had ample time to prepare for marriage. Why would she have expected Elvis and his lifestyle to change once they tied the knot? She knew exactly what she was getting into.

Ultimately, she loved him and then left him. Millions of people have been through that. She quickly found that life without the Presley name was going nowhere (remember her fashion store Biz and Beau, anyone??) And Elvis had to find the maturity to accept it. It was a blow to his ego ... no one said "no" to the King after '56. And that was a good part of why he self-destructed.

But Elvis was equally responsible for the disintegration of their union. I am the last ... and I mean the last ... person to defend Cilla. I believed from day one she was a gold digger, albeit clothed in a very appealing form.

I dislike her because of the way she conducted herself after the marriage and certainly since Elvis' death. And weaseling her way into the estate after Vernon's passing. But I will only lay 50% of the "blame" on her for the marriage breakdown. The other 50% goes squarely to Elvis Presley.

[Miss Clawdy]

Hi Jess,
I am a new kid on the block here. I am kind of laying low as I get a lay of the land. I am an old fan that was there at the shows in Vegas 70-75 and followed the tours a bit. I got to meet Elvis back stage Valentine's 71 after the dinner show and get a sweet kiss. Been collecting stuff since I was nine. I love your post above. Really really appreciated the words on behalf of ones like me. One thing I am taking away from the message board as I go to bed tonight after my first day skimming through. Most of the newer fans who weren't there seem to have such a different "picture" of Elvis than the one most of us who were there during those long ago times have. That is the main thing I seem to be observing. I find it sad :'( Elvis has been reinvented by all the books and media since death...in such an unflattering way. :blink: I guess that is about all I wanted to say. Thank you for your posts that are uplifting to Elvis' spirit and image. Of the ones I have read so far I have enjoyed your's the most. (y)

I also wanted to say that I am happily amazed at so many new fans...of all ages and countries....that have joined the ranks. Only Elvis :D could still be filling the room three decades after he left the building. :D

IMHO

SweetCaroline, yes you are very lucky :D
After you were there during 5 years, could you please tell us (who were unfortunatelly too young or too far away to be there) how your 'picture' of Elvis was?

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Yes, but please put it on the Did you see Elvis thread ...

As for "It totally upsets me what Priscilla did to Elvis emotionally" from SweetCaroline ... Cilla had ample time to prepare for marriage. Why would she have expected Elvis and his lifestyle to change once they tied the knot? She knew exactly what she was getting into.

Ultimately, she loved him and then left him. Millions of people have been through that. She quickly found that life without the Presley name was going nowhere (remember her fashion store Biz and Beau, anyone??) And Elvis had to find the maturity to accept it. It was a blow to his ego ... no one said "no" to the King after '56. And that was a good part of why he self-destructed.

But Elvis was equally responsible for the disintegration of their union. I am the last ... and I mean the last ... person to defend Cilla. I believed from day one she was a gold digger, albeit clothed in a very appealing form.

I dislike her because of the way she conducted herself after the marriage and certainly since Elvis' death. And weaseling her way into the estate after Vernon's passing. But I will only lay 50% of the "blame" on her for the marriage breakdown. The other 50% goes squarely to Elvis Presley.

Succinct, but wait...............

[ajr]

....... Cilla had ample time to prepare for marriage. Why would she have expected Elvis and his lifestyle to change once they tied the knot? She knew exactly what she was getting into.

Ultimately, she loved him and then left him. Millions of people have been through that. She quickly found that life without the Presley name was going nowhere (remember her fashion store Biz and Beau, anyone??) And Elvis had to find the maturity to accept it. It was a blow to his ego ..

..... Elvis was equally responsible for the disintegration of their union.

I dislike her because of the way she conducted herself after the marriage and certainly since Elvis' death. And weaseling her way into the estate after Vernon's passing. But I will only lay 50% of the "blame" on her for the marriage breakdown. The other 50% goes squarely to Elvis Presley.

Too bad srj, can't "see " this ....:hmm:
We actually agree on these points .....;)

[presley]

priscilla will always be in elvis life, so we can sit here and crap about her all day long, but at the end of the day, she will still be in elvis life.

[srj1967]

priscilla will always be in elvis life, so we can sit here and crap about her all day long, but at the end of the day, she will still be in elvis life.

You mean, Elvis will still be in her life. The man is dead after all ... ;)

[Burning_Love]

I have already posted on here and got tempted again.

I have many many opinions on 'Cilla, i am only 16 and have read a lot of books to find out the truth. Books don't help. They, some of them, are lies and to be honest what to believe i do not know ?!

So i read people's opinions on here and respect everyones !! People who do like her people who don't etc..

But the point is, we will never know !!!!!!!!! Elvis and Priscilla know all.

It's good on here that we can discuss each other's opinions but i don't like it when other peoples get criticised. I like the fact i can share my opinion. And i want to keep it that way.

But for me, Priscilla was young, Elvis liked the fact that her could 'raise' her to what he wanted, but she was no Snow White and has told some lies, not all, but some. That's what i believe. Elvis loved Cilla, we all know that, but he had women left right and centre and he couldn't just turn em down, plus he loved women.

I am not a fan of Priscilla, never will be. But the fact is, they were married. But she still has no right to use his last name. I think that's wrong.

Thanks

Danielle :king:

[presley]

I have already posted on here and got tempted again.

I have many many opinions on 'Cilla, i am only 16 and have read a lot of books to find out the truth. Books don't help. They, some of them, are lies and to be honest what to believe i do not know ?!

So i read people's opinions on here and respect everyones !! People who do like her people who don't etc..

But the point is, we will never know !!!!!!!!! Elvis and Priscilla know all.

It's good on here that we can discuss each other's opinions but i don't like it when other peoples get criticised. I like the fact i can share my opinion. And i want to keep it that way
But for me, Priscilla was young, Elvis liked the fact that her could 'raise' her to what he wanted, but she was no Snow White and has told some lies, not all, but some. That's what i believe. Elvis loved Cilla, we all know that, but he had women left right and centre and he couldn't just turn em down, plus he loved women.

I am not a fan of Priscilla, never will be. But the fact is, they were married. But she still has no right to use his last name. I think that's wrong.

Thanks

Danielle :king:

Why don't you think priscilla should have the last name presley? She WAS married and is her choice if she wanted to stick with that name .priscilla does have faults, and alot of them, but everybody has faults and nobody perfect.

[presley]

You mean, Elvis will still be in her life. The man is dead after all ... ;)

You don't need to be smart about it, thats just plain rude!!!!!!!!!!

[ajr]

I have already posted on here and got tempted again.

I have many many opinions on 'Cilla, i am only 16 and have read a lot of books to find out the truth. Books don't help. They, some of them, are lies and to be honest what to believe i do not know ?!

So i read people's opinions on here and respect everyones !! People who do like her people who don't etc..

But the point is, we will never know !!!!!!!!! Elvis and Priscilla know all.

It's good on here that we can discuss each other's opinions but i don't like it when other peoples get criticised. I like the fact i can share my opinion. And i want to keep it that way.

But for me, Priscilla was young, Elvis liked the fact that her could 'raise' her to what he wanted, but she was no Snow White and has told some lies, not all, but some. That's what i believe. Elvis loved Cilla, we all know that, but he had women left right and centre and he couldn't just turn em down, plus he loved women.

I am not a fan of Priscilla, never will be. But the fact is, they were married. But she still has no right to use his last name. I think that's wrong.

Thanks Danielle :king:

You are very wise for your age, Danielle. :)
I hope we don't scare you off. You've got as much right as anyone to express your opinion.....;)

[ajr]

You don't need to be smart about it, thats just plain rude!!!!!!!!!!

If you can......ignore. There are a couple here that I believe "Rude" is their fist names.....They need to pick on someone more their own size...;)

[srj1967]

You don't need to be smart about it, thats just plain rude!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, rudeness (or lack of such) cannot be read in plain emails with simple text.

Fact is, you expressed yourself in a confusing manner.

My first reply was not meant to be rude.

This one, however, you can take how you like ... :mad:

[presley]

Unfortunately, rudeness (or lack of such) cannot be read in plain emails with simple text.

Fact is, you expressed yourself in a confusing manner.

My first reply was not meant to be rude.

This one, however, you can take how you like ... :mad:

reminding me that elvis is dead, l wasn't born yesterday!!!!
Thats what l meant about being smart and rude.

[ajr]

Some "specialize " in bullying others.
Maybe a job might help them ??

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Perhaps we should start a thread in the off topic where people can be rude to each other, then perhaps we could get back on topic!!

[presley]

Maybe l will go elsewhere, you can't post without someone being rude!!!!

[ajr]

What a novel idea, JJ .:)
But, first ;what do you think about Priscilla ??;)

[Miss Clawdy]

Some "specialize " in bullying others.
Maybe a job might help them ??

I can't help it....but I notice that you seem to take offence
by every sentence that has been posted here....sorry IMO:'(

[ajr]

I can't help it....but I notice that you seem to take offence
by every sentence that has been posted here....sorry IMO:'(

Not every one here, dear......only the last ones picking on Presley.
This could be a very nice site......but, bullies are left to run over anyone they like. Perhaps she has the best idea....find a nicer place where rules are the same for everyone !!

[presley]

[QUOTE=ajr;115426]Not every one here, dear......only the last ones picking on Presley.
This could be a very nice site......but, bullies are left to run over anyone they like. Perhaps she has the best idea....find a nicer place where rules are the same for everyone !! [/QUOTE

It wouldn't be so bad if theres not so much crap going on with bullyness. I for one don't like fighting. I think miss clawdy is right it normaly is one person who starts crap, and gets away with it!

[Merry]

Not every one here, dear......only the last ones picking on Presley.
This could be a very nice site......but, bullies are left to run over anyone they like. Perhaps she has the best idea....find a nicer place where rules are the same for everyone !!



Come to my place, hehe

:hug:

Jess

[Diane]

I have a sneaking feeling they're not really bullies - just having a great time pushing buttons - sorry to blow your cover:D

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Some "specialize " in bullying others.
Maybe a job might help them ??

prosperity