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mistymorning
05-20-2007, 08:50 AM
Did Elvis ever have a black girl friend?! I know that he was not a racist, and didn,t have anything against black people! I mean nothing! just curious to know!
joanpresgrob
05-20-2007, 08:53 AM
:hmm: I don't know. He would had if I was around back then :D
elvislady
05-20-2007, 10:18 AM
I think we had a topic covering this some time sgo, it might jog someones memory.
elvislady:D
Wild_In_The_Country
05-20-2007, 10:23 AM
:hmm: I don't know. He would had if I was around back then :D
:lmfao: (y)
Ampzilla
05-20-2007, 01:53 PM
There were rumors about Myrna Smith being close two him
Over the years, there have been claims that he once dated Bonita Cole the niece of musical legend Nat King Cole. There is also a picture of them together. Nancy Rooks claims that EP dated a black girl who worked for his estate. Myrna now claims there was no romance or anything else. Surreeee.(n)
hounddog
05-20-2007, 10:13 PM
last time this was covered someone said he dated Barbara McNair. I've also read in one of my books (sorry can't remember which none) a story that he and a cousin were on a double date with two African American girls in the early 1950's and the police stoped them and tlod them to get home, they said they were coming home from church i think to aviod trouble from the police.
Also in June Junico's book she says he tought she was part African American when they first meet.
I'm sure others here will know more than me.
desiree
05-21-2007, 07:45 AM
Did Elvis ever have a black girl friend?! I know that he was not a racist, and didn,t have anything against black people! I mean nothing! just curious to know!
I also heard rumours of Myrna Smith. I think they had something more than a friendship.
:hmm: I don't know. He would had if I was around back then :D
(y) Way to go girl! :lol:
Lisarose
05-22-2007, 08:10 AM
Wouldn't surprise me, he loved women. I wondered if he & Sylvia had a thing. There's that scene in TTWII where he goes towards her in a very intense way & she's clearly feeling something. Or maybe it was just the fact that he loved playing jokes & wanted to surprise her which he does.
Ejm1059
06-09-2007, 08:47 PM
I started a post like this awhile back. Heres the link. It might give you more info: http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=9836&highlight=Myrna+Smith
SweetCaroline
06-09-2007, 10:57 PM
Ejm...just wanted to say I LOVE THAT SIGGY. It's always been one of my favorite quotes. :)
TCBnAflash
06-10-2007, 02:27 AM
from what I read and from talking to a former bodyguard, he wasn't racist but he didn't believe in mixing race at least not for him. So you could imaging how he wouldve reacted to LMP and Micheal Jackson, Publicity stunt or not.
Here's my take on this touchy subject from what I know and have heard over the years....
Just recently Myrna was asked by an EP fanclub presidnet if she and EP ever had a romantic relationship and she said no. But just because she says no does not mean it is true. People will lie to protect someone they love. We all know that Myrna has been among the truly loyalist to EP and his memory for the past 30 years now. So this could be her way of protecting his image. Myself and others do believe that there was something private that went on between them at some point. Probably before she began dating Jerry Schilling. Here's something interesting. I believe it was in Child Bride, the book about Priscilla that Myrna let something slip. She said "she always admire how Priscilla dressed and that she wanted to dress like that and she wanted what Priscilla had, and that was Elvis." I think that was evidence something went down between them and she wanted more, possibly a commitment or a serious relationship and EP wanted less. We all know how EP cheated on all of his women. No matter who they were. EP was a man. EP was also a sex addict as we all know. And if he wasn't a racist (which he was not) then he wouldn't discriminate against the women he was with, now would he?
That all being said, EP did in fact have intimate and sexual relationships with women of color just as he did caucasian women. But those women of color were never publicized as were the Ann Margarets, Linda Thompsons, and Sheila Ryans of his world mainly because of the world we lived in then and still do today unfortunately. In fact there were many black women linked to EP going all the way back to his adolescent years as a teenager growing up in urban Memphis. According to EP's first cousin gene Smith, who EP was very close to, they went on a double date with two teenage black girls in 1952. EP's date was from Chicago visiting and the cousin to Gene's date who lived in the Lauderdale Courts or nearby that Gene knew. The four of them were riding around the outskirts of Memphis minding their own business when their car got stuck in the mud and they couldn't get out. The story goes that a police officer saw EP and Gene with the two black girls and told him if he ever saw EP with them again that his parents wouldn't be able to identify his body. Itw as the south. That's how things were back then for those outside of America.
Another rumored link to EP and interracial dating was started by Mary Jenkins before she passed, EP's famous black cook. She went on record as saying that EP dated Bonita Cole, the niece of musical legend Nat King Cole. There is a photo of them together with B.B King on Beale Street in 1957. That same year is when the infamous shoeshine comment was supposedly said. Which we all know was never said. To back up her claim, apparently Natalie Cole, Bonita's cousin and famous singer, also has said that Bonita and EP did date once and had dinner at Nat's home in the 50's. She said this while on the christian channel TBN which she now makes public appearances on.
Another story was mentioned by Nancy Rooks, EP's other black housekeeper and cook and the only remaining one living. She said in her book that EP dated a black girl who worked for him. This could be the young girl that he paid the college tuition for a young black girl named Maggie Smith who is very quiet when talking about EP today. However she did say in Careless Love that EP was more like a father to her than her boss and that he was wonderful to her. So they obviously had a very close relationship whether it was fatherly or sexual. It is interesting that she was always overlooked by the Mafia who was supposed to be by his side 24/7. I guess they forgot about that part.
Other black females linked to EP over the years include Barbara McNair, his black co-star in Change Of Habit. Darlene Love, his backup singer for the 1968 comeback special. She has admitted to a romance with EP while on the set of Change Of Habit. I guess EP had a threesome going then. LOL. R&B singer Stephanie Spruill also claims to have dated EP. She met him and was photographed with him backstage at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas in 1974 at her concert. And then there's a jazz singer who's name I can't recall that recently admitted to dating EP and that he got the idea of Fever from hearing her sing it while he was in Paris while on leave in the Army. She said he was wonderful. So as you can see there are multiple claims linking EP to black women and interracial dating. It's not like there is just one or two. But many claims. More and more are coming out year after year.
As for what any of the Memphis Mafia say, I take it with a very large grain of salt knowing how their stories have drastically changed over the years. Gene Smith went on Hard Copy back in 1991 or 92 and said that EP made sex tapes with women during his Hollywood years and that it included "both breeds" meaning black and white. So the rumor of EP not interested or against race mixing is totally untrue. What about the support for Myrna and Jerry? He allowed them to live in his home as an interracial couple during a rough time of the 70's. If that's the case and EP was against race mixing which I doubt seriously, then he wouldn't have found it in him to kiss The Sweet Inspirations on the lips in public as he would quite often and is seen in Elvis On Tour.
For some reason society has a problem with thinking that Elvis Presley would not indulge in any race mixing activity or date a black woman. This is why EPE keeps EP as white as possible. Maybe it's because he was from the deep south at a time that it was considered breaking the law to do something like that. But he still did it knowing it was considered wrong even though it wasn't wrong. EP was always generous and treated black women with graced, love and respect. how many star black or white treat their housekeepers and cooks as good as EP did his? Not many if any at all. EP was a classy man who loved women of all colors and it showed by his affection to them all individually. Just watch That's The Way It Is and you will see EP didn't discriminate in race. his flirting with Sylvia was very evident of just that.;)
Anyhow that's just my opinion on this whole matter. And by the way, I too am in a deep interracial relationship with a wonderful and beautiful black woman for 2 years now. So I can strongly understand and appreciate EP's love and admiration for women of color.(y)
srj1967
06-10-2007, 10:23 AM
1. EP was also a sex addict as we all know.
2. And if he wasn't a racist (which he was not) then he wouldn't discriminate against the women he was with, now would he?
3. And by the way, I too am in a deep interracial relationship with a wonderful and beautiful black woman for 2 years now. So I can strongly understand and appreciate EP's love and admiration for women of color.(y)
1. Firstly, no we do not "all know" that Elvis was a "sex addict" as you say. There is no serious evidence of this, only hearsay from the MM and others, and somewhat exaggerated stories from Elvis himself. Yes, he liked sex, pursued it, had fun with it ... and why wouldn't he? "Sex addict" is a term used by the likes of Michael Douglas when they get caught putting their wangs somewhere where they shouldn't be. A recognised addiction (sexual or otherwise) would dominate the person involved, and this is not the case with Elvis. Sex was a normal (well, mostly normal) part of his life, but was not an addiction.
2. Being a racist and believing that races shouldn't sexually mix can be two mutually exclusive concepts. One does not necessarily follow the other. Elvis liked women, period; I don't believe colour was a factor when he slept with them. But there is no way, no how he would have ever married or had a child with anyone other than a white woman.
3. This statement is inherently racist, although I know you certainly don't mean it to be. It's like saying all black people have rhythm. Just because the woman in your life is a wonderful person does not mean she is representative of all women of colour. She can only be representative of herself and her own upbringing and family.
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 10:30 AM
1. Firstly, no we do not "all know" that Elvis was a "sex addict" as you say. There is no evidence of this. Yes, he liked sex, pursued it, had fun with it ... and why wouldn't he? "Sex addict" is a term used by the likes of Michael Douglas when they get caught putting their wangs somewhere where they shouldn't be. A recognised addiction (sexual or otherwise) would dominate the person involved, and this is not the case with Elvis. Sex was a normal (well, mostly normal) part of his life, but was not an addiction.
2. Being a racist and believing that races shouldn't sexually mix can be two mutually exclusive concepts. One does not necessarily follow the other. Elvis liked women, period; I don't believe colour was a factor when he slept with them. But there is no way, no how he would have ever married or had a child with anyone other than a white woman.
3. This statement is inherently racist, although I know you certainly don't mean it to be. It's like saying all black people have rhythm. Just because the woman in your life is a wonderful person does not mean she is representative of all women of colour.
Finally, a voice of reason and logic ...
AMEN:clap:
Diane
06-10-2007, 11:16 AM
Great post srj, I agree completely!:clap:
Diane
1. Firstly, no we do not "all know" that Elvis was a "sex addict" as you say. There is no serious evidence of this, only hearsay from the MM and others, and somewhat exaggerated stories from Elvis himself. Yes, he liked sex, pursued it, had fun with it ... and why wouldn't he? "Sex addict" is a term used by the likes of Michael Douglas when they get caught putting their wangs somewhere where they shouldn't be. A recognised addiction (sexual or otherwise) would dominate the person involved, and this is not the case with Elvis. Sex was a normal (well, mostly normal) part of his life, but was not an addiction.
2. Being a racist and believing that races shouldn't sexually mix can be two mutually exclusive concepts. One does not necessarily follow the other. Elvis liked women, period; I don't believe colour was a factor when he slept with them. But there is no way, no how he would have ever married or had a child with anyone other than a white woman.
3. This statement is inherently racist, although I know you certainly don't mean it to be. It's like saying all black people have rhythm. Just because the woman in your life is a wonderful person does not mean she is representative of all women of colour. She can only be representative of herself and her own upbringing and family.
1)When I said 'sex addict, I mean by his having different girls constantly. EP was in some ways addicted to sexual activity. I don't mean he had to have it 24/7. I should have made myself more clear on that. I apologize for it.
2)I think it's premature to say that he would never have married or fathered a child with a black woman. For all we know, he could have a biracial child out there somewhere. There is no such thing as "safe sex" unless you are protected and EP claimed to Epsosito that he was "careful" as in didn't go all the way. But we are only human and no man is THAT careful and can control his sexual urgence that easy as many times as EP was with different women. Therefore I do not think he would have had any issues with Lisa marrying a black man. Maybe Michael Jackson because of his strange weirdness and child molesting, but not because he was black. Lisa was asked on the Howard Stern Show once what she thought her dad would have thought of her marrying or being with a black man and her reply was "he did it too so he wouldn't have judge me or the man I was with like that. He wasn't like that". For whatever it's worth.
3)There was nothing racist about my last statement. All I said was that I can understand and appreciate his open mind and admiration for black women with me being in an interracial relationship today. He actually had more black women around him at the time of his death than he did his own.
This whole subject is a touchy one to say the least. Anytime race is involved, 9 times out of 10 it leads to arguments and misunderstandings and everyone having their own beliefs. EP was from the south-yes, EP was from the 50's- yes. EP was white-yes. But just because of all that does not mean EP didn't see things differently than others did. That is what made him so unique and different.
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 11:42 AM
Great post srj, I agree completely!:clap:
Diane
Watch what you say Diane ...
Some will have you reported just because you don't agree with their opinions and/or thoughts ...(n)
Watch what you say Diane ...
Some will have you reported just because you don't agree with their opinions and/or thoughts ...(n)
Nope only yours. You are the only one else here out to cause trouble. I think it's obvious now. Moderators, see what I mean? See how he starts trouble?
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 12:02 PM
How exactly am I starting trouble ?
Because I call you out everytime and you don't like it?
So, like the real man, you cry to the moderators because you can't handle it ?
The moderators asked me to take handle this matter in private, so, why won't you EP75 ?
Diane
06-10-2007, 12:57 PM
Nope, not afraid to be reported as I have said nothing wrong. I do have the choice to agree or disagree with all or part of anyone's posts.
I disagree with EP75 and agree with srj on the subject of Elvis marrying a woman of colour, not because he was prejudiced because I don't believe he was, but because of where he was raised and the times and the colonel would have discouraged it because of "image".
I believe EP75 when he said Elvis was a sex addict that it hadn't really been meant quite that strongly - wrong choice of words and boy yes, that can get you in trouble here.:D
Diane
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 01:13 PM
Nope, not afraid to be reported as I have said nothing wrong. I do have the choice to agree or disagree with all or part of anyone's posts.
I disagree with EP75 and agree with srj on the subject of Elvis marrying a woman of colour, not because he was prejudiced because I don't believe he was, but because of where he was raised and the times and the colonel would have discouraged it because of "image".
I believe EP75 when he said Elvis was a sex addict that it hadn't really been meant quite that strongly - wrong choice of words and boy yes, that can get you in trouble here.:D
Diane
I totally agree with you Diane and thanks for the kind reply ...
We can always learn to "agree to disagree", after all, it's all subjective opinion anyway, is it not ?
Diane
06-10-2007, 02:35 PM
Thank you as well King Creole, and yes all opinions are subjective.:D
Diane
I disagree that Elvis was a "sex addict." Too strong a word ?? ;)
IF EP did as much as was reported he did ...he would have had no time to do anything else. :hmm:
In fact ,he's quoted as saying just this....someplace .;)
SweetCaroline
06-10-2007, 03:35 PM
1. Sex was a normal (well, mostly normal) part of his life, but was not an addiction.
Thank you for your post srj. :notworthy
IMO...A NORMAL GUY is the three words I would always use describing how E was about sex. He was as normal as any guy would be with gals falling at his feet. Simple as that!
The term sex addict is just wrong and misleading and should not be promoted.
As far as Elvis dating a black girl. I only know that I have never heard of it in the 50 plus years I have been a fan.
Just because you never heard of EP with a black woman doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen. His own cousin has admitted to this more than once in differnet years. His black housekeepers have admitted to it. So obviously there's some truth to it.
About EP and his strong sexual desires. It has been documented that he had a strong sex drive. Priscilla, Linda, and other women have addressed this before. It's no secret. For crying out loud, the man made sex tapes with women and sometimes multiple women at once. That isn't what you would call "normal man" but a man who loved and enjoyed sex and with multiple partners. Now, in this day and age that can be interpreted as being a sex addict. If EP was faithful and not roaming so much he wouldn't had seen his marriage fall apart because of his sex drive.
Now I understand some of you being upset about the term. But it is what it is. It doesn't make EP any less of a man, or any more of one either.
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Thank you for your post srj. :notworthy
IMO...A NORMAL GUY is the three words I would always use describing how E was about sex. He was as normal as any guy would be with gals falling at his feet. Simple as that!
The term sex addict is just wrong and misleading and should not be promoted.
Exactly ! I just love it when logic and reason overtake the nonsense that is often found on Elvis message boards.
As far as Elvis dating a black girl. I only know that I have never heard of it in the 50 plus years I have been a fan.
For some strange reason, In all my years of being a diehard Elvis Presley fan/collector, I have never, ever heard of this happening either ... :hmm:
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 04:33 PM
Just because you never heard of EP with a black woman doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.
Well, jus because you have never heard of Elvis dating a black girl doesn't mean it happened either !
His own cousin has admitted to this more than once in differnet years. His black housekeepers have admitted to it. So obviously there's some truth to it.
Really? what is your source for such erroneous assumptions?
About EP and his strong sexual desires. It has been documented that he had a strong sex drive. Priscilla, Linda, and other women have addressed this before.
Again, what are your sources for these claims?
It's also been documented and written that Elvis lost his sexual desires while taking his "meds" and has been quoted as saying he was "saving his bodily fluids to preserve them" ...
It's also been written and documented that Elvis preferred and enjoyed the "COMPANY" of a woman, (not for carnal reasons), as opposed to the company of a man.
It's no secret.
About EP and his strong sexual desires. It has been documented that he had a strong sex drive. Priscilla, Linda, and other women have addressed this before. It's no secret. For crying out loud, the man made sex tapes with women and sometimes multiple women at once. That isn't what you would call "normal man" but a man who loved and enjoyed sex and with multiple partners. Now, in this day and age that can be interpreted as being a sex addict. If EP was faithful and not roaming so much he wouldn't had seen his marriage fall apart because of his sex drive.
Now this is something I don't & won't go along with !
Actually, it's well documented that Cilla & Linda complained because of lack of.....
The only place I've seen this is by Goldman & Mary Smiley !!
What are you doing ???
It's also been documented and written that Elvis lost his sexual desires while taking his "meds" and has been quoted as saying he was "saving his bodily fluids to preserve them" ...
It's also been written and documented that Elvis preferred and enjoyed the "COMPANY" of a woman, (not for carnal reasons), as opposed to the company of a man.
This I've heard & read.....makes more sense too.
As to dating or even marrying a black woman , I could care less .
I started to say; it was his life....unfortunately; the poor guy never got to have a life.....not even 30 years after death !! :'(
This subject should just be closed. It's always a touchy topic. And it's doing nothing but causing issues. Certain ones will view EP as they seem him through their own eyes. Others will see things for how they really were and not try to hide facts. And some will simply do anything they can to disrupt a good decent topic as is the case with a certain someone here. Not everyone is going to agree or agree to disagree. We all have our own opinions. But we shouldn't be blinded by our own views not to see the truth in front of us. EP had his faults and his bad habits. But that deosn't make me think of him any less. He was and still is my idol. But that does not mean that I think he could walk on water or turn water into wine.
This subject should just be closed. It's always a touchy topic. And it's doing nothing but causing issues. Certain ones will view EP as they seem him through their own eyes. Others will see things for how they really were and not try to hide facts. And some will simply do anything they can to disrupt a good decent topic as is the case with a certain someone here. Not everyone is going to agree or agree to disagree. We all have our own opinions. But we shouldn't be blinded by our own views not to see the truth in front of us. EP had his faults and his bad habits. But that deosn't make me think of him any less. He was and still is my idol. But that does not mean that I think he could walk on water or turn water into wine.
To quote anything Al Goldman or Smiley said is despicable !!
You have come to the wrong place, IMO.
I don't think Elvis "walked on water" or " turned water into wine" .....but compared to the ones you quote; he came **************** close ....
You need to delete this trash...... :mad:
To quote anything Al Goldman or Smiley said is despicable !!
You have come to the wrong place, IMO.
I don't think Elvis "walked on water" or " turned water into wine" .....but compared to the ones you quote; he came **************** close ....
You need to delete this trash...... :mad:
Ajr, I never quoted anything from Goldman. I personally can't stand the fake b#stard. So I don't know where you got that I quoted him. I have not said anything that isn't true. I'm sorry if some EP fans are wearing blinders and cannot see through them. I love EP as much as you do ro anyone here does. That's the only reason I make this a common stop for me.
Ajr, I never quoted anything from Goldman. I personally can't stand the fake b#stard. So I don't know where you got that I quoted him. I have not said anything that isn't true. I'm sorry if some EP fans are wearing blinders and cannot see through them. I love EP as much as you do ro anyone here does. That's the only reason I make this a common stop for me.
Then IF your "Memphis friend" told you such things......you need to dump her !! I know you weren't there personally.
How you or anyone can mention love for Elvis in the same breath you say such crude things is no friend of EP ,IMO.
Read Goldmans book; it's all in there......the other option would be Mary Smiley. Equally, as disgusting.....
I have nothing else to say to you .....
Ajr, you are overreacting. I have not said ANYTHING that is not fact or truth. I am sorry if that is too hard to comprehend. But it's the truth. For the record my father had the privilege of meeting EP inside Graceland and got our tickets to the concert through Vernon Presley in 1975 when he came here to Huntsville. My point is that EP fans act as if they knew him personally when in fact my father did, or at least got to talk with him for a few minutes inside his home. But that is all I am going to say anymore on this. Obviously this is upsetting you and I'm not here to start trouble. i am sorry if what I have posted on this thread has offended you. But you seem to be the only real one complaining. But like I said I am sorry.
presley
06-10-2007, 08:44 PM
Ajr, you are overreacting. I have not said ANYTHING that is not fact or truth. I am sorry if that is too hard to comprehend. But it's the truth. For the record my father had the privilege of meeting EP inside Graceland and got our tickets to the concert through Vernon Presley in 1975 when he came here to Huntsville. My point is that EP fans act as if they knew him personally when in fact my father did, or at least got to talk with him for a few minutes inside his home. But that is all I am going to say anymore on this. Obviously this is upsetting you and I'm not here to start trouble. i am sorry if what I have posted on this thread has offended you. But you seem to be the only real one complaining. But like I said I am sorry.
you need a strong backbone to handle things that people are going to say to you. Don't take anything personalty or you will get upset, people aren't all friendy when posting here! Thats just my little advice.
Thanks Presley. I will keep that in mind. I didn't start this thread as you know. But I do feel that I answered the original thread starter's question about the topic. I wasn't trying to stir the pot here.
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Ajr, you are overreacting.
LMAO ...You should speak. Everytime I call you out and try and debate you on your thoughts or opinions, you call the moderators ...
I have not said ANYTHING that is not fact or truth. What is exactly the truth ? what are your sources for such erroneous false assumptions ?
I am sorry if that is too hard to comprehend.
sounds all too familar.
For the record my father had the privilege of meeting EP inside Graceland and got our tickets to the concert through Vernon Presley in 1975 when he came here to Huntsville.
This is the first time I have ever heard this from EP75. And I have known of and about this character and his alien mysterious stories for quite some time ...
My point is that EP fans act as if they knew him personally when in fact my father did, or at least got to talk with him for a few minutes inside his home.
So, now his dad knew Elvis and befriended him in a matter of a few minutes together!? Interesting ...
Is EP75's reply ironic, or contradicting, or maybe both ... ?
Slowly, But Surely, the smart and nice people on this great board are starting to see this person's true colours and his agenda.
Only time will tell.
SweetCaroline
06-10-2007, 09:10 PM
Others will see things for how they really were and not try to hide facts.
What facts or truth have you presented? Your posts are pure speculation that are nothing but a character assassination of Elvis. (n) ELVIS isn't even here to defend himself from the TALL TALES being put forth. It seems to get worse and worse as years go by asthis kind of innuendo, insinuation, and outright lies get more and more embellished upon. Why would any fan who claims to "love" Elvis think it is honoring Elvis in any way, shape, or form, to drag Elvis' name and personal life through the mud this way? :angry
p.s. It is called a PERSONAL LIFE for a reason.
King_Creole
06-10-2007, 09:14 PM
What facts or truth have you presented? Your posts are pure speculation that are nothing but a character assassination of Elvis. (n) ELVIS isn't even here to defend himself from the TALL TALES being put forth. It seems to get worse and worse as years go by asthis kind of innuendo, insinuation, and outright lies get more and more embellished upon. Why would any fan who claims to "love" Elvis think it is honoring Elvis in any way, shape, or form, to drag Elvis' name and personal life through the mud this way? :angry
p.s. It is called a PERSONAL LIFE for a reason.
AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE ....
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Preach it SweetCaroline !!!
Some of the MM started many rumours after 1977....
along with the Stanleys.
In 1981, Albert Goldman wrote his book ELVIS .
Lamar Fike {MM} being the one to "assist "him.
A woman named Mary Smiley picked up on all the filth & lies & started what became known as the Elvis Underground. It was not these people that
believed Elvis didn't die....they just spread the ugly stories.
They were joined by people along the way that just liked to "have fun"
repeating these same lies & tearing up small message boards.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My first statement came from talking to Elvis & Vernon Presley's attorney.
My second statement from reading the book ELVIS.
My third statement comes from personal experience , when I decided to go & see if someone couldn't stop her.
That's all I have to say on this .
Except; my apologies to mistymorning as she's the one that started this thread .
Awickedreigndrop
06-10-2007, 11:59 PM
This is a perfect example why I wish Elvis had written a autobiography. Then, we would know what's what and not just depend on what others say or what they thought was his beliefs.
Diane
06-11-2007, 06:12 AM
SC I can't add anything to your post - you said it all extremely well.(y)
I just want to know what the heck happened to the original topic of this thread????:supriced:
srj1967
06-11-2007, 06:22 AM
For crying out loud, the man made sex tapes with women and sometimes multiple women at once. That isn't what you would call "normal man" but a man who loved and enjoyed sex and with multiple partners.
That may not be your definition of "normal", but it's my definition of "one lucky bastard!!" :lol: (y)
In terms of sex, Elvis was perfectly normal, given the circumstances. Who among us males wouldn't have taken just as much advantage as Elvis did in his situation? And if the chance was there to have two women at once ... well, why not!! :blush: (y)
tcbtigerman
06-11-2007, 05:31 PM
Elvis just liked women!he dated white,hispanic,african american,etc...if they were beautiful and he was attracted he gave it a chance.And yes,he did date a couple of African American girls.
Elvis just liked women!he dated white,hispanic,african american,etc...if they were beautiful and he was attracted he gave it a chance.And yes,he did date a couple of African American girls.
Finally someone who is not afraid to speak the truth. This was what I was trying to point out by my first post on this thread originally.(y)
SweetCaroline
06-11-2007, 08:49 PM
Elvis just liked women!he dated white,hispanic,african american,etc...if they were beautiful and he was attracted he gave it a chance.And yes,he did date a couple of African American girls.
Is this more B.S. speculation and twisting the facts of the actual life of Elvis Presley? (n) Do you have some PROOF you might like to present? If it is your opinion... fine... then say so. Don't present it as if it is a fact! :angry:
Is this more B.S. speculation and twisting the facts of the actual life of Elvis Presley? (n) Do you have some PROOF you might like to present? If it is your opinion... fine... then say so. Don't present it as if it is a fact! :angry:
The tone of your reply sounds as if you have a problem with him dating or liking another race besides your own. Sorry. But that is how it sounds to me. His own cousin Gene Smith said he dated a black girl. Nancy Rooks says it in her book. Myrna recently said he was attracted to ALL women, as in didn't segregate against any. So that would mean he was opened to all. Have some of you not forgotten where he got his musical influence from and where he grew up? It wasn't in a white environment that's for sure.
SweetCaroline
06-11-2007, 09:34 PM
The tone of your reply sounds as if you have a problem with him dating or liking another race besides your own. Sorry. But that is how it sounds to me. His own cousin Gene Smith said he dated a black girl. Nancy Rooks says it in her book. Myrna recently said he was attracted to ALL women, as in didn't segregate against any. So that would mean he was opened to all. Have some of you not forgotten where he got his musical influence from and where he grew up? It wasn't in a white environment that's for sure.
To set the record straight I have NO PROBLEM if Elvis dated or even married a black lady. And would think as highly of him as I have since 1956.
I DO HAVE A PROBLEM with the lies and half truths that have been spread and perpetuated about his life since August 16, 1977 by so called "friends" and "fans" who would NOT know the truth if it hit them on the ***. :angry: If a post is an opinion SAY SO. If it is FACT show the proof. All you have shown is hearsay and the usual book B.S.
King_Creole
06-11-2007, 09:52 PM
The tone of your reply sounds as if you have a problem with him dating or liking another race besides your own.
I didn't take that tone as being nothing more than honest and sincere. not a hint of any racial overtones. As in your case, everything you write and talk about, somehow, somewhere, the topic at hand goes flyin' out the door and rascism enters the scenario just for distraction.
Have some of you not forgotten where he got his musical influence from and where he grew up? It wasn't in a white environment that's for sure.
Uh, last time I checked, Elvis absorbed his musical styles from all genres of music, be it GOSPEL, Spiritual hymns, show tunes, opera, COUNTRY, and Rythym and Blues, all combined to make ELvis' own brand of ROCKABILLY and/or Rock 'N Roll.
ELvis was just as influenced by Roy Acuff, Mario Lanza, Dean Martin as he was James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and Roy Hamiliton. :clap: :clap: :clap:
srj1967
06-11-2007, 09:58 PM
If a post is an opinion SAY SO. If it is FACT show the proof.
Well said here!
To set the record straight I have NO PROBLEM if Elvis dated or even married a black lady. And would think as highly of him as I have since 1956.
I DO HAVE A PROBLEM with the lies and half truths that have been spread and perpetuated about his life since August 16, 1977 by so called "friends" and "fans" who would NOT know the truth if it hit them on the ***. :angry: If a post is an opinion SAY SO. If it is FACT show the proof. All you have shown is hearsay and the usual book B.S.
You go girl !! (y) (y) (y)
What I've been saying for years.....:clap: :clap:
The tone of your reply sounds as if you have a problem with him dating or liking another race besides your own. Sorry. But that is how it sounds to me. His own cousin Gene Smith said he dated a black girl. Nancy Rooks says it in her book. Myrna recently said he was attracted to ALL women, as in didn't segregate against any. So that would mean he was opened to all. Have some of you not forgotten where he got his musical influence from and where he grew up? It wasn't in a white environment that's for sure.
I have Nancy Rooks book. Nowhere in here did I find any such statement.
Can you tell me which page it's on??
I have always been against any form of prejudice or racism....In fact I have 3 son-in-laws who are mixed. One lives here with me & his wife {my daughter} .So, you don't wanna get into that.
IMO, your words sound more of a racial slur than others.
http://www.canopicpublishing.com/juke/contents2/willcampbell.htm
Now, please tell me where Nancy Rooks said that in her book.
BTW: You DO know it was Gene Smith that never believed Elvis died in 1977, don't you?? Or so the rumour goes......;)
Gene never talked about any of this in his book....".Elvis' Man Friday" ...only telling very well his memories of growing up with Elvis.
Donut
06-12-2007, 03:21 AM
Actually Nancy Rooks tells in her book "Inside Graceland" that Elvis dated a black girl who worked for him for a while, she died in a car crash a little later.
Actually Nancy Rooks tells in her book "Inside Graceland" that Elvis dated a black girl who worked for him for a while, she died in a car crash a little later.
That's the book I have....what page is it, please?? Thanks.....
Actually, I found Nancy's book quite interesting on her explanation of August,16,1977......but, that's another story. Not on this topic. ;)
Donut
06-12-2007, 03:37 AM
That's the book I have....what page is it, please?? Thanks.....
Page 50.
" MAny of his fans would be probably surprised to know that in the mid-seventies he dated a young, beautiful, light-skinned black girl named Maggie. She had been hired by Vernon for $5 an hour to answer the phones at Graceland and she and Elvis soon developed a romantic attraction. Like many of Elvis? romances, this one was relatively short and they went their separate ways. Tragically, she later died in a night club party."
Sorry, I changed the way she died in my last post.
Page 50.
" MAny of his fans would be probably surprised to know that in the mid-seventies he dated a young, beautiful, light-skinned black girl named Maggie. She had been hired by Vernon for $5 an hour to answer the phones at Graceland and she and Elvis soon developed a romantic attraction. Like many of Elvis´ romances, this one was relatively short and they went their separate ways. Tragically, she later died in a night club party."
Sorry, I changed the way she died in my last post.
Thanks, I found it ......(y)
I guess back then it might surprise some, though more common today.
But, at least we've finally found the answer to this question ....in print .
I bought Nancy's book simply because she was "not of the in crowd."
I think it was more heart warming & felt "more Elvis" than many of the other books I've read......The big thing I noticed that was stressed ," TCB , means keeping Elvis' business to oneself." I appreciated that.....:D
Donut
06-12-2007, 05:55 AM
I bought Nancy's book simply because she was "not of the in crowd."
I think it was more heart warming & felt "more Elvis" than many of the other books I've read......The big thing I noticed that was stressed ," TCB , means keeping Elvis' business to oneself." I appreciated that.....:D
That?s because her Elvis?business and the MM Elvis? business were totally different. I think some of the details about Elvis they tell are not necesary and some are part of his privacy. But let?s face it, almost we all read every Elvis book that come from his inner circle wether we borrow them from the library or buy them and if you put aside those details that shouldn?t have been told it?s always welcome to read about him when you are a fan.
Can't say that I do read everything that comes out.
I have books that's been given to me {when no one knew what else to get } ;) that I've never read......I've tried, picking them up & skimming through....but, just can't get into them.....
Especialy if it's the same old thing......
:hmm: Maybe I'm not an Elvis fan.....
Donut
06-12-2007, 08:17 AM
:hmm: Maybe I'm not an Elvis fan.....
Dunno either... I wasn?t asking nor questioning...
I don?t read everything either but I always look for new stories or different points of view of the same story, because apart from his music is the only thing left.
presley
06-12-2007, 08:20 AM
Can't say that I do read everything that comes out.
I have books that's been given to me {when no one knew what else to get } ;) that I've never read......I've tried, picking them up & skimming through....but, just can't get into them.....
Especialy if it's the same old thing......
:hmm: Maybe I'm not an Elvis fan.....
Most books out there are the same stuff, so of couse you can't get into something that you read from so many others. I get bored reading same stuff over and over.
You're right, presley......
That's why I mostly just stick to the music.......
The gossip abounds; but it never changes except to get wilder & wilder .;)
Diane
06-12-2007, 10:52 AM
Great interview ajr, I hadn't seen that one - thanks for posting.
Diane
Here's my take on this touchy subject from what I know and have heard over the years....
Just recently Myrna was asked by an EP fanclub presidnet if she and EP ever had a romantic relationship and she said no. But just because she says no does not mean it is true. People will lie to protect someone they love. We all know that Myrna has been among the truly loyalist to EP and his memory for the past 30 years now. So this could be her way of protecting his image. Myself and others do believe that there was something private that went on between them at some point. Probably before she began dating Jerry Schilling. Here's something interesting. I believe it was in Child Bride, the book about Priscilla that Myrna let something slip. She said "she always admire how Priscilla dressed and that she wanted to dress like that and she wanted what Priscilla had, and that was Elvis." I think that was evidence something went down between them and she wanted more, possibly a commitment or a serious relationship and EP wanted less.
Not only do you insult Elvis ...you insult Myrna !!
I have to ignore you {& others} or there might be a mass murder .(n)
Read Myrna's interview
http://www.elvis2001.net/new_page_9.htm
Page 50.
" MAny of his fans would be probably surprised to know that in the mid-seventies he dated a young, beautiful, light-skinned black girl named Maggie. She had been hired by Vernon for $5 an hour to answer the phones at Graceland and she and Elvis soon developed a romantic attraction. Like many of Elvis´ romances, this one was relatively short and they went their separate ways. Tragically, she later died in a night club party."
Sorry, I changed the way she died in my last post.
There's a little mislead information there. For one thing the girl named Maggie isn't dead. In fact her full name is Maggie Smith. I started a thread about her either here or at the Number ones forum asking of information about her. Apparently she still to this day lives in Memphis and has children and she did the interview for Careless Love and that was written in this millenium. She was pregnant when EP died with her first child. Which could be....hmmm. Another thing-Maggie has said she was at Graceland the night he died and stayed with him until the paramedics came. I can't recall where I read that. But she did say it. So how could she be dead to tell of that night? LOL It sounds to me that Nancy has her story mixed up with the light skinned girl (don't know what her race was) that has been seen pictured riding on the back of EP motorcycle with him around town in thew 70's. That girl did shortly later die in a car wreck. Maggie is the girl that some guy visiting EP once said that she could carry a pale of water on her butt and not spill a thing. EP didn't like that comment and threw him out. That was in a paperback book written back in the late 70's to early 80's. I don;t have it anymore but that was when I first heard of Maggie Smith.
But the point of the matter is that EP did date a black woman as I said and posted in my original post and that was the original question of this topic. I wished we had a picture of Maggie and EP together though. It would make the naysayers hush up for good in disbelief.:lol:
srj1967
06-12-2007, 11:57 AM
It sounds to me that Nancy has her story mixed up with the light skinned girl (don't know what her race was) that has been seen pictured riding on the back of EP motorcycle with him around town in thew 70's. That girl did shortly later die in a car wreck.
This gal's name was Kathy Self (caucasian). Her mother only came out a few years ago with her daughter's name, as it had always been a mystery who the girl on the motorcycle was with Elvis.
And yes, she was killed only two weeks or so after this pic was taken. Elvis sent flowers to the funeral and spoke to Kathy's mother at the time.
There are about a dozen of these pics, all taken within a few seconds of each other. I have some better "face on" shots somewhere.
Not only do you insult Elvis ...you insult Myrna !!
I have to ignore you {& others} or there might be a mass murder .(n)
Read Myrna's interview
http://www.elvis2001.net/new_page_9.htm
Thanks for the interview, although I feel I read the same story before from her, as if t was hearsed or something.:hmm: But that was not what I was referring to about her admitting that she and EP didn't have a romantic relationship. The one I was referring to was posted over at elvisnumberones.com and was by a UK fan club president who asked Myrna by phone.
This gal's name was Kathy Self (caucasian). Her mother only came out a few years ago with her daughter's name, as it had always been a mystery who the girl on the motorcycle was with Elvis.
And yes, she was killed only two weeks or so after this pic was taken. Elvis sent flowers to the funeral and spoke to Kathy's mother at the time.
There are about a dozen of these pics, all taken within a few seconds of each other. I have some better "face on" shots somewhere.
That's the one. Thanks for posting that. It is a sad story how she died. But about Maggie. I doubt we will ever hear her side of the relationship with EP. I believe like Myrna and a few others there is a closeness with either the estate or Lisa that keeps them quite for certain reasons. Maggie was close to Lisa and on Lisa's album, she thanks her family in Memphis. In other words, the people who worked for her dad that still live there and that took care of her which Maggie was apart of. Maggie would take Lisa around Memphis shopping. And there was a time when Maggie was held by security at a local mall because she had EP's credit card and they didn't believe that EP gave it to her to shop with. She said it really angered EP and that she could hear him cussing out the guard over the phone. I wished I could find where I read that from but I don't have that much free time to do that much research anymore. I am currently on my lunch break here at work.
Thanks for the interview, although I feel I read the same story before from her, as if t was hearsed or something.:hmm: But that was not what I was referring to about her admitting that she and EP didn't have a romantic relationship. The one I was referring to was posted over at elvisnumberones.com and was by a UK fan club president who asked Myrna by phone.
I'm well aware this isn't the interview you're talking about.
You cannot see that you insult & hurt innocent people with all your gossip??
I guess not ......they are not people to you; just another story.
Thanks, but no thanks ......I don't need it.....
You can go on my ignore list too....:bye:
SweetCaroline
06-12-2007, 01:33 PM
You're right, presley......
That's why I mostly just stick to the music.......
The gossip abounds; but it never changes except to get wilder & wilder .;)
:notworthy I totally agree
I sometimes have to walk away from the website message boards, and I no longer read the rehash books...
Why?...
Because we lost ELVIS in the flesh on August 16, 1977 and it was probably the most painful day of my young life. :'( Right up there with the day I lost my six year old son a few years earlier. When I come to message boards and see the essence of ELVIS' spirit/personality, and who the man was when he walked among us being destroyed through MTYH and GOSSIP being PASSED ON...and everytime it is passed on....it is like losing ELVIS all over again, slowly, and tortureously, a little piece at a time...by the very people who say they love him...as like vultures...they pick at his bones. :'(
SC....
To me, it hurts worse than when he died. I think I was in shock for a long time after.....then my mother died in August, the following year....
When I came to the computer. I was just looking to visit with others about Elvis......Man, I was shocked !! :supriced:
I thought everyone liked Elvis on these message boards & each other.....
NOT so !! The people are very wrong that believe "the fanatic fans" are hurting Elvis....IMO, it's the fans that fight amongst themselves ; vying for attention , trying to prove they can tell bigger stories than anyone else.
That they know all the dirt , so are most important !! These are the ones that I'm ashamed of.....:blush:
So, I too have to just get away from it .....As I've said before; I quit this mess every other day.....;) Why do I come back ?? Because there are some good ones out here too.....
SweetCaroline
06-12-2007, 02:31 PM
SC....
To me, it hurts worse than when he died. I think I was in shock for a long time after.....then my mother died in August, the following year....
When I came to the computer. I was just looking to visit with others about Elvis......Man, I was shocked !! :supriced:
I thought everyone liked Elvis on these message boards & each other.....
NOT so !! The people are very wrong that believe "the fanatic fans" are hurting Elvis....IMO, it's the fans that fight amongst themselves ; vying for attention , trying to prove they can tell bigger stories than anyone else.
That they know all the dirt , so are most important !! These are the ones that I'm ashamed of.....:blush:
So, I too have to just get away from it .....As I've said before; I quit this mess every other day.....;) Why do I come back ?? Because there are some good ones out here too.....
Thanks ajr...for reminding me...there are still true fans with loving hearts towards the man...you are right. (y)
I am glad you are here.
What's so sad is the proof and facts are right in front of some and they are too proud or biased from their upbringing to look past that to see the truth in front of them. Some will believe the Mafia as the Holy grail but won't believe anything written by others who actually cared for the man and didn't stab him in the back as the Mafia did. And yet they call themselves loyal "fans" and criticize others for knowing and accepting the truth. That's what's sad.(n)
And for Ajr, if you are going to put someone on your ignore list just for telling the truth or giving an opinion or passing on info, then you are sadder than the myths written about EP.(n)
presley
06-12-2007, 03:05 PM
Why can't be just get on like elvis would of wanted. It so sad to come and see people not getting along with eachtogther, we all have different veiws on things, but lets respect wha tothers have to say and not jump down there thoats for having there own beliefs on things.
I not sure what the big deal here is on this topic.Elvis was romantically involved with several black women.Myrna Smith was one of them also.No big deal.
Jak
I not sure what the big deal here is on this topic.Elvis was romantically involved with several black women.Myrna Smith was one of them also.No big deal.
Jak
I agree with that statement Jak. And although Myrna has recently supposedly claimed there was no intimacy with EP, I feel she is hiding the truth if she even said that. That claim has not been put on record either and was posted on a message board by a member who claims to be a fanclub president that called and asked her personally. He might be telling the truth. But after all, it is a message board and anyone can post anything on it, true or not. Personally ever since I saw Myrna on VH1 back in 1987 and she admitted that she was falling in love with him when he died, I always had suspicions that they were involved near the end. But I think there's more to that story than meets the eye.(y)
Jak, I was talking to my father about this subject last night and he told me that back in those days things were seen and felt so much differently than today. he was telling me how all the white women wanted to have EP for themselves and it pissed a lot of them off when he had The Sweet inspirations on his tours and around him and the white women couldn't get that close and they were very jealous of that. Mainly because white women didn't want a black woman to have what they wanted. So that makes since that certain ones here would be upset to think he crossed any race lines, which we now know for FACT through Mrs Rooks and others close to him that he did.
SweetCaroline
06-12-2007, 04:06 PM
You guys just don't seem to get the point. If ELVIS was intimate with Myrna or ANYONE else...be it a Green Martian or the Purple People Eater....his private life should be respected. I don't see any respect shown by fans that want every sordid detail of the man's PERSONAL life. Leave ELVIS' personal life alone and show some RESPECT to the man you are suppose to adore. Myrna has CLASS (y) (y) (y) I LOVE her to bits for that!!! To bad some of his other "friends" and "fans" are not as respectful and classy about Elvis' life as she seems to be.
If the original question is simply could Elvis love a gal of color? IMO I see no reason why he couldn't....but he is not here to ask. I did see him many times just a few feet away and he was flirty with all the fans (of all colors) and with his back up gals.
If the question is DID Elvis love a girl of color...it is none of our business!
Diane
06-12-2007, 04:19 PM
Yup SC, I sure wish everyone would respect his private life as his only obligation to the fans were his performances - he didn't and doesn't owe them anything else!
Diane
Merry
06-12-2007, 04:20 PM
:notworthy I totally agree
I sometimes have to walk away from the website message boards, and I no longer read the rehash books...
Why?...
Because we lost ELVIS in the flesh on August 16, 1977 and it was probably the most painful day of my young life. :'( Right up there with the day I lost my six year old son a few years earlier. When I come to message boards and see the essence of ELVIS' spirit/personality, and who the man was when he walked among us being destroyed through MTYH and GOSSIP being PASSED ON...and everytime it is passed on....it is like losing ELVIS all over again, slowly, and tortureously, a little piece at a time...by the very people who say they love him...as like vultures...they pick at his bones. :'(
Yes, I agree. Unfortunately when this happens, it is all about them, SweetCaroline, I wish they would see that, and enjoy what they are supposed to enjoy, Elvis' beautiful music, his talent, what he shared through love with us, for us. They don't need egos to enjoy music, they just need to relax and enjoy, be entertained, the rest isn't important, nor something they need to concern themselves with and talk about, it really isn't. Getting on with another, loving those we love, unconditionally, being a friend no matter what, that is what is important.
Jess
You guys just don't seem to get the point. If ELVIS was intimate with Myrna or ANYONE else...be it a Green Martian or the Purple People Eater....his private life should be respected. I don't see any respect shown by fans that want every sordid detail of the man's PERSONAL life. Leave ELVIS' personal life alone and show some RESPECT to the man you are suppose to adore. Myrna has CLASS (y) (y) (y) I LOVE her to bits for that!!! To bad some of his other "friends" and "fans" are not as respectful and classy about Elvis' life as she seems to be.
If the original question is simply could Elvis love a gal of color? IMO I see no reason why he couldn't....but he is not here to ask. I did see him many times just a few feet away and he was flirty with all the fans (of all colors) and with his back up gals.
If the question is DID Elvis love a girl of color...it is none of our business!
Modern day society begs to differ.;)
Merry
06-12-2007, 04:52 PM
Modern day society begs to differ.;)
EP75, if this is the subject, tell us about your sex life? What do you prefer?
I feel this is private between the two people involved, but if you beg to differ, please share, if this is what you think?
It isn't any different, you know, if you do, you should talk about yours. Elvis was in the public eye, but he kept his private life very private, he didn't put it out there, so it was private (as some celebrities do put their private lives out there).
No need to answer, EP75; however, perhaps you get my point?
I said society begs to differ, not that I do. Look at Hollywood today. All you see is reports about who's doing who and when they did it and where. That's modern day society and it's reality.
ok, I had to unblock for a minute.....;)
Please tell us...EP75. Do you like boys or girls?? Is it the color that turns you on or the white, white skinned ones?? Do you make sex tapes too??
How fun is that ?? I'm not nosey or mean no harm......I just gotta know because I'm such a big fan of yours.......
*Back to ignore * Let me know if he says anything exciting girls....:D
ok, I had to unblock for a minute.....;)
Please tell us...EP75. Do you like boys or girls?? Is it the color that turns you on or the white, white skinned ones?? Do you make sex tapes too??
How fun is that ?? I'm not nosey or mean no harm......I just gotta know because I'm such a big fan of yours.......
*Back to ignore * Let me know if he says anything exciting girls....:D
This is uncalled for and childish and therefore I have no comment. Besides this is thread is about EP and if he dated outside his race. Not about me and my sex life.:angry:
Merry
06-12-2007, 05:24 PM
I said society begs to differ, not that I do. Look at Hollywood today. All you see is reports about who's doing who and when they did it and where. That's modern day society and it's reality.
Hi EP75,
If something isn't your opinion, not much point in sharing it, or what would we be talking about?
I truely don't understand why people talk about things like this, if they aren't willing to share re their own?
It is like a work ethic to me "I won't ask you to do anything I'm not prepared to do".
Yes, perhaps old fashioned, but those old fashioned values are important, they give us as a society, and our children, structure.
So, I feel you are deflecting.
People should put their money where their mouth is (be prepared to talk about themselves in the same manner).
Jess
Merry
06-12-2007, 05:28 PM
This is uncalled for and childish and therefore I have no comment. Besides this is thread is about EP and if he dated outside his race. Not about me and my sex life.:angry:
Actually, this is what the fans are doing, speaking as they do.
Thing is, AJR was putting you in Elvis' shoes. That's all you need to do, it makes life easier, to put yourself in other's shoes.
Elvis' sex life, is on topic how? He didn't ever discuss it publicly, so how is it relevant (not said in anger, I'm just trying to understand, other fan's points of view?). Perhaps we can clear the air on this board, and come to an understanding?
presley
06-12-2007, 05:38 PM
There won't be no understanding on things. I have to say we are off topic again, lets get back to the topic.
There won't be no understanding on things. I have to say we are off topic again, lets get back to the topic.
Yes, we are ,presley. Again, I'm sorry.....but, this question was answered a long time ago. One of the ladies in question said she had no romantic relationship with Elvis.
The other was never proven, because Nancy got the name wrong.....
So, technically.....no one knows.
But, it seems no one is opposed to it if he did......Is that an answer to the original question?? :blush:
------>Gosh, it looks good to see Elvis laughing , doesn't it??;)
Elvis also dated his black co star from Change Of Habit.Back to Myrna for a moment.Their affair was no big secret.She may deny but Im sure many of the older fans were aware of this.It's believed Elvis bought Schilling his house to show there was no hard feelings when he got involved with Myrna.
Is it just me or did EP75 get atacked for merely discussing this issue?She offered her thoughts and was consequently pounced upon.Do i dare use the term "bully tactics"?Please practice what you preach people.Now that i have commented on Elvis' personal life I feel the urge to comment on mine before Im publicly asked on the board.I like the ladies;)
Jak
Elvis also dated his black co star from Change Of Habit.Back to Myrna for a moment.Their affair was no big secret.She may deny but Im sure many of the older fans were aware of this.It's believed Elvis bought Schilling his house to show there was no hard feelings when he got involved with Myrna. Jak
Proof?? Documentation?? Pure speculation........not nice. :nono:
Unless you have some proof to add.....this topic has already been answered.
Elvis also dated his black co star from Change Of Habit.Back to Myrna for a moment.Their affair was no big secret.She may deny but Im sure many of the older fans were aware of this.It's believed Elvis bought Schilling his house to show there was no hard feelings when he got involved with Myrna.
Is it just me or did EP75 get atacked for merely discussing this issue?She offered her thoughts and was consequently pounced upon.Do i dare use the term "bully tactics"?Please practice what you preach people.Now that i have commented on Elvis' personal life I feel the urge to comment on mine before Im publicly asked on the board.I like the ladies;)
Jak
It is very obvious that Myrna watches carefully what she says about EP for some reason. In fact it's basically gotten to the point that lately everything she says in one interview is the exact same thing in another. As if she is reading a script.LOL About her relationship or romance with EP. I think this is the exact reason why we still to this day, 30 years later have not gotten her story in her own book by now. It's not that no one is interested because I believe more would care to hear her side than another Mafia rehashed book. But I think she wants to keep some things private and to herself and is also afraid that the EP world isn't ready for such a revealing publicly. But at the same time, you have to respect and admire her for protecting him that way.
Jak, I don't know if you were calling me a "she" or not, but just to let you know that I am a guy. But thanks for the backing support and for pointing all that out to the others.(y)
Merry
06-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Elvis also dated his black co star from Change Of Habit.Back to Myrna for a moment.Their affair was no big secret.She may deny but Im sure many of the older fans were aware of this.It's believed Elvis bought Schilling his house to show there was no hard feelings when he got involved with Myrna.
Is it just me or did EP75 get atacked for merely discussing this issue?She offered her thoughts and was consequently pounced upon.Do i dare use the term "bully tactics"?Please practice what you preach people.Now that i have commented on Elvis' personal life I feel the urge to comment on mine before Im publicly asked on the board.I like the ladies;)
Jak
Edited: I withdraw any apologies to EP75, he obviously has some pre-meditated speculation and stirring in mind for his own agenda (I hadn't had the opportunity to read this whole thread, until now).
Huh? Pounced upon. Drama! lol
EP75, if you felt that I pounced on you, I apologise. I was replying to your comments.
However, it has just been a build up of six months of some people who don't appear to be true fans, running Elvis down on this board, I just happened to choose this occasion to ask the "question" or make the "comment", which has been bugging me. I still stand by my words. Unless you are willing to put your own life out there ..... anyway ......
No kidding Jak re ladies, I wouldn't have noticed, lol.
Jess
P.S. I just read your post below EP75. If Myrna tells the same story every year, wouldn't she be saying pretty much the same thing? Afterall, she isn't an MM! (Whereas they can't get their stories straight, moreover, as we know, they have been interviewed and argue with each other in the interview, as to what is true and isn't, while they were all there at the time, witnessing the event).
This speculation also bugs me. This is where rumours start.
Proof?? Documentation?? Pure speculation........not nice. :nono:
Unless you have some proof to add.....this topic has already been answered.
I'm sick of hearing people calling for sources and proof. You want proof? Then prove that EP died on August 16th. Prove he and Priscilla were legally divorced. Prove he never fathered any children out of wedlock. Prove he didn't almost die of a drug overdose in 1975 and Linda had to open his airwave so that he could breathe. You say you want proof, then you prove those theories first, then I'll show you my proof, which I can't just like you can't. . Don't bother trying because none of that can be proven. None of it.:mad:
I'm sick of hearing people calling for sources and proof. You want proof? Then prove that EP died on August 16th. Prove he and Priscilla were legally divorced. Prove he never fathered any children out of wedlock. Prove he didn't almost die of a drug overdose in 1975 and Linda had to open his airwave so that he could breathe. You say you want proof, then you prove those theories first, then I'll show you my proof, which I can't just like you can't. . Don't bother trying because none of that can be proven. None of it.:mad:
You need to start another thread ,please.:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic:
{****************, I'm good......I knew you got all that from the Underground !!
Huh? Pounced upon. Drama! lol
EP75, if you felt that I pounced on you, I apologise. I was replying to your comments.
However, it has just been a build up of six months of some people who don't appear to be true fans, running Elvis down on this board, I just happened to choose this occasion to ask the "question" or make the "comment", which has been bugging me. I still stand by my words. Unless you are willing to put your own life out there ..... anyway ......
No kidding Jak re ladies, I wouldn't have noticed, lol.
Jess
P.S. I just read your post below EP75. If Myrna tells the same story every year, wouldn't she be saying pretty much the same thing? Afterall, she isn't an MM! (Whereas they can't get their stories straight, moreover, as we know, they have been interviewed and argue with each other in the interview, as to what is true and isn't, while they were all there at the time, witnessing the event).
This speculation also bugs me. This is where rumours start.
I think this thread has gotten way off topic here and some don't understand or just don't want to understand and that is why they are making such a big fuss. For me, I am through with this. It's going nowhere except back around to where it came.
You need to start another thread ,please.:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic:
{****************, I'm good......I knew you got all that from the Underground !!
You have no idea what you are even talking about. You don't know where I got those tibits from. All you are doing is assuming.:mad:
Merry
06-12-2007, 08:25 PM
I'm sick of hearing people calling for sources and proof. You want proof? Then prove that EP died on August 16th. Prove he and Priscilla were legally divorced. Prove he never fathered any children out of wedlock. Prove he didn't almost die of a drug overdose in 1975 and Linda had to open his airwave so that he could breathe. You say you want proof, then you prove those theories first, then I'll show you my proof, which I can't just like you can't. . Don't bother trying because none of that can be proven. None of it.:mad:
1. Death Certificate
2. Divorced, they went to court, paperwork to support same.
3. No-one has come forward with a child, DNA tests can be done if needed, so proof can be supplied.
4. Anyone can make up a rumour and spread it to make money to sell their books.
5. If Linda has said something first hand, this would be considered admissable in a Court of Law.
Yes, some can supply their sources, and they do.
The rest is rumour, speculation. I hope thinking people can see it for what it is.
I think I should bow out for now, as I can't see this going forward, in a positive way, as you appear angry.
1. Death Certificate
2. Divorced, they went to court, paperwork to support same.
3. No-one has come forward with a child, DNA tests can be done if needed, so proof can be supplied.
4. Anyone can make up a rumour and spread it to make money to sell their books.
5. If Linda has said something first hand, this would be considered admissable in a Court of Law.
Yes, some can supply their sources, and they do.
The rest is rumour, speculation. I hope thinking people can see it for what it is.
I think I should bow out for now, as I can't see this going forward, in a positive way, as you appear angry.
I said I was through with this. Buit those 5 inaccurate claims had to be addressed first.
1)There is no Official Death certificate on EP. He's the only supposedly dead entertainer that there isn't one available for. Autopsy report-yes. But no death certificate. And if there is one, there is no proof it is authentic either.
2)The person representing either EP or Priscilla during their court heairng for the divorce came forward a few years back and said that EP never officially signed the final papers to make it certified authentic. This was believed to be the reason why he never married Linda.
3)Ever heard of Desiree Presley DeRodriquez? She is not only supposed to be EP's love child but looks just like him too.
4)Linda stated that she had to save his life from drowning in his soup due to heavy drug use on E's True Hollywood Stories-The Last Days Of Elvis. And nothing she has said would go to court.
5)Sure anything can be made up and turned into rumor. Just like how the Mafia claimed EP called The Sweets the N' word after they walked out off stage that night in their book Elvis-What Happened. Which he never said.
Now, I'm through
presley
06-12-2007, 08:49 PM
desiree is not elvis's child!!!!!!!!!! she would look like elvis which she doesn't, now look at lisa, she's a spiting image of her father.
King_Creole
06-12-2007, 10:19 PM
I'm sick of hearing people calling for sources and proof. You want proof? Then prove that EP died on August 16th. Prove he and Priscilla were legally divorced. Prove he never fathered any children out of wedlock. Prove he didn't almost die of a drug overdose in 1975 and Linda had to open his airwave so that he could breathe. You say you want proof, then you prove those theories first, then I'll show you my proof, which I can't just like you can't. . Don't bother trying because none of that can be proven. None of it.:mad:
And let the backpeddling begin ...
:doh:
I have no problem discussing the "topics" EP75 has brought up.....
It's up to the admin. here. Most do not want these things on their sites. I can't blame them.I just ask for a new thread "on topic" . I leave it in their hands
Merry
06-13-2007, 05:07 AM
I have no problem discussing the "topics" EP75 has brought up.....
It's up to the admin. here. Most do not want these things on their sites. I can't blame them.I just ask for a new thread "on topic" . I leave it in their hands
I feel that speculation of this type is disrespectful.
srj1967
06-13-2007, 05:37 AM
So ... what have I missed on this thread?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I feel that speculation of this type is disrespectful.
So do I, Jess. So do I ......:'(
But, since this "thing" is brought up .....it's up to the admin.
I've seen Elvis sites torn apart by some of this stuff. (n)
Just exercise self control and ignore the threads that you dont care for.I do the same thing for topics concerning the length of his sideburns and so forth.
Jak
Merry
06-13-2007, 06:50 AM
Just exercise self control and ignore the threads that you dont care for.I do the same thing for topics concerning the length of his sideburns and so forth.
Jak
Hi Jak,
One of the reasons why I comment is because what if a new fan notices that others aren't objecting to the speculation, and somehow take some of what is said, on board? (I do know however, that most people will see through the speculative rot which has been posted).
I care.
Jess
IMO, there is quite a difference in discussing the length of sideburns & the destruction of Elvis Presley's & others reputation......
The people still alive can sue ....;) .
srj1967
06-13-2007, 07:28 AM
However, it has just been a build up of six months of some people who don't appear to be true fans, running Elvis down on this board.
What an arrogant statement! What is your definition of a "true fan" anyway? By your tone, you obviously place yourself and others on here way, way above some of us who can discuss things about Elvis that may not get talked about in the mainstream - and that you consider yourself a "true fan" as opposed to the rest of us.
"Running Elvis down" ... how, exactly? We were talking about whether Elvis dated outisde his race. How can that possibly be construed as putting Elvis down or saying something in the least bit negative about him? If he did date women who were other than white - good on him, I say!
If you're uncomfortable with a particular thread, then ignore it and don't bother responding! This isn't a public place, we're not on TV so the world can see what some fans say about Elvis.
As for Elvis' love life etc being "none of our business" ... come off it! The man has been dead nearly 30 years; he is / was a celebrity and we as fans on this private forum are entitled to discuss whatever we wish, so long as the topic is mutual and remains insult free etc.
As for Myrna Smith, she has denied there was ever a romance, so I will take her word for it. Only she and maybe some others know the real truth. I cannot for the life of me see how speculation, debate and throwing around theories - and let me stress theories! - can be destructive to Elvis, his music or what we as fans feel for him (both as individuals or as a collective here and elsewhere).
Again, if the topic of a particular thread bores you, offends you, angers you or does something else to you ... so long as the participating members want to discuss the topic at hand ... and the thread complies with rules about swearing, insults, not putting website links or whatever ... please have the decency to just leave us to do so as we leave you to discuss other topics which don't especially interest us (eg sideburn length, when his looks were best etc).
Last time I read the TCB Forum rules, it didn't say anything about not discussing certain subjects as some may get offended. Most times, we will enjoy common threads, but there are times - like this one - when we will not.
Some have accused me and a few others of arrogance or "bullying" on this site - that isn't for me to say. But those who do the accusing are doing exactly the same thing to us. Bullying - but it's done for other reasons. Not once have I differentiated between myself and others who have a differing opinion by intimating that I am a "true fan" while they are not. And you can bet I am d-a-m-n sick of seeing this attitude creep in here, particularly over the past few weeks. Do not presume that there are people who are "lesser fans" because their opinions differ from yours. We are all "true fans" on here ... at least I would hope we are, each in our individual ways.
If a topic doesn't interest you ... leave it alone.
Now ... back to the original topic. I believe it was called "black girlfriend", but we have only been discussing "dating" so far. (Perhaps one of you Americans could clear up what you mean by "dating" as it means something different here in Australia and other places). As for an actual "girlfriend" of Elvis' who was black ... probably not, I'd suggest.
IMO, there is quite a difference in discussing the length of sideburns & the destruction of Elvis Presley's & others reputation......
The people still alive can sue ....;) .
I dont see why Elvis dating someone of color would destroy his reputation.Youre either honestly in the dark which is fine, or youre choosing to ignore the fact he did it.Personally his dating preferences mean absolutlely nothing to me.It's just common knowledge he was romantically involved with some black women over the years.Like I said,big deal.
You made a great comment above."The people still alive can sue".The affair between Myrna and Elvis has been written about before.The same for Elvis buying Jerry the house as a peace offering.Neither has sued anyone over these claims.I think Hopkins may have included it in his bio also.Im not quite sure off the top of my head.Myrna is a class act and doesnt openly discuss their relationship.Her affair with Elvis is old news.Im kinda surprised by the appearance that many of you are hearing this for the first time.It's no great revelation.The same for Barbara McNair.
Jak
I have no problem discussing the "topics" EP75 has brought up.....
It's up to the admin. here. Most do not want these things on their sites. I can't blame them.I just ask for a new thread "on topic" . I leave it in their hands
This thread has almost 1400 views.Another thread about Tupelo's Own has 52 views.Tupelo's Own is one of the most exciting and important releases to happen in some time.Yet that thread is dying.Look at the total views for Priscilla threads or similiar ones vs ones about audio or video subjects.No comparison.Contrary to your statement most people do want to discuss the details of Elvis' private life.
Jak
Some of you have went way off topic & you know it!!
No one as yet as offered ANY PROOF of EP dating anyone ...; only gossip & innuendoes.That, in a court of law would be considered libel !
No one here cares one bit if Elvis dated a pink or purple woman....
IMO, that has been answered.
It was only in bringing these" other charges " against Elvis & live people that you crossed the line .....
As to "hits" on a topic.....I'd say that's a lot like "selling the sensational " to make money off EP. Everyone seems to enjoy a good fight ....IMO, some have just made fools out of EP fans, once again......
Carry on.....
Donut
06-13-2007, 09:01 AM
I always had the sensation that it was Sylvia who Elvis flirted with. Just look at TTWII and look her face and her body language when Elvis talks or is kidding to her on and off stage...
As for Elvis buying a house for Myrna and Jerry I don?t think it means anything, he did it for other people too and just for the sake of giving.
PS. Would you mind arguing somewhere else about people?s morality or competing on who is the biggest Elvis fan? You know, there are people that are interested in this thread and other threads too and we don?t feel like hearing again and again your rantings or how individuals ( that happen to like Elvis )are supposed to think or act. A lot of us are not interested.
THANK YOU
Diane
06-13-2007, 10:04 AM
Donut, I've noticed too that Elvis liked to tease Sylvia on TTWII and on stage because she was shy and reacted so well, but I feel it was just teasing. I do think she was attracted to him though and he knew it but I don't think their relationship went any further than that. I have no idea at all whether he ever had a real relationship with Myrna or not........nice lady he could and did have done worse.
Diane
srj1967
06-13-2007, 10:06 AM
Myrna Smith was stunningly beautiful then ... still is! (y)
Diane
06-13-2007, 10:12 AM
Yes she is srj, and by all appearances, a very good lady.(y)
Diane
Donut
06-13-2007, 10:15 AM
I agree with you both Diane and srj1967. I don´t think he had anything serious with any of them, maybe a little of flirting. And yes, Myrna was/is stunningly beautiful so if he had something going on with her I say good for him.
Some of you have went way off topic & you know it!!
No one as yet as offered ANY PROOF of EP dating anyone ...; only gossip & innuendoes.That, in a court of law would be considered libel !
No one here cares one bit if Elvis dated a pink or purple woman....
Carry on.....
Obviously you do and a few others do to or it wouldn't have reached over 100 replies on 6 pages and going. I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone here, but you are the one in denial. Not me or the others who have constantly given our sources about where these claims originated from. Some things aren't online to find for proof. Some things have been written about long ago as ids much of this reason for topic.
Another thing. Why is it such a big deal for EP fans to accept that EP liked women of color as he liked his own? You say race isn't the issue. But actually it is the very issue or it wouldn't be a factor at all. EP wasn't your typical southern boy and it's about time EP fans from that era learned the truth. There's still a lot about EP that we don't know that may never come out. Linda Thompson even said this on Larry King Live a couple years ago. As for who he dated? That isn't a personal part of his life when all the other women he dated have been publicly known. So why is it OK to talk about his relationship with Linda or Ann and not with Myrna or Maggie? To me it's a two timing double standard and yes, race unfortunately is in the middle of it. And no, I am not calling you a racist. Just that you are letting the race factor get in the way of the truth.
What an arrogant statement! What is your definition of a "true fan" anyway? By your tone, you obviously place yourself and others on here way, way above some of us who can discuss things about Elvis that may not get talked about in the mainstream - and that you consider yourself a "true fan" as opposed to the rest of us.
"Running Elvis down" ... how, exactly? We were talking about whether Elvis dated outisde his race. How can that possibly be construed as putting Elvis down or saying something in the least bit negative about him? If he did date women who were other than white - good on him, I say!
If you're uncomfortable with a particular thread, then ignore it and don't bother responding! This isn't a public place, we're not on TV so the world can see what some fans say about Elvis.
As for Elvis' love life etc being "none of our business" ... come off it! The man has been dead nearly 30 years; he is / was a celebrity and we as fans on this private forum are entitled to discuss whatever we wish, so long as the topic is mutual and remains insult free etc.
As for Myrna Smith, she has denied there was ever a romance, so I will take her word for it. Only she and maybe some others know the real truth. I cannot for the life of me see how speculation, debate and throwing around theories - and let me stress theories! - can be destructive to Elvis, his music or what we as fans feel for him (both as individuals or as a collective here and elsewhere).
Again, if the topic of a particular thread bores you, offends you, angers you or does something else to you ... so long as the participating members want to discuss the topic at hand ... and the thread complies with rules about swearing, insults, not putting website links or whatever ... please have the decency to just leave us to do so as we leave you to discuss other topics which don't especially interest us (eg sideburn length, when his looks were best etc).
Last time I read the TCB Forum rules, it didn't say anything about not discussing certain subjects as some may get offended. Most times, we will enjoy common threads, but there are times - like this one - when we will not.
Some have accused me and a few others of arrogance or "bullying" on this site - that isn't for me to say. But those who do the accusing are doing exactly the same thing to us. Bullying - but it's done for other reasons. Not once have I differentiated between myself and others who have a differing opinion by intimating that I am a "true fan" while they are not. And you can bet I am d-a-m-n sick of seeing this attitude creep in here, particularly over the past few weeks. Do not presume that there are people who are "lesser fans" because their opinions differ from yours. We are all "true fans" on here ... at least I would hope we are, each in our individual ways.
If a topic doesn't interest you ... leave it alone.
Now ... back to the original topic. I believe it was called "black girlfriend", but we have only been discussing "dating" so far. (Perhaps one of you Americans could clear up what you mean by "dating" as it means something different here in Australia and other places). As for an actual "girlfriend" of Elvis' who was black ... probably not, I'd suggest.
Best reply on this entire thread!(y)
srj1967
06-13-2007, 10:27 AM
Yes she is srj, and by all appearances, a very good lady.(y)
Diane
Yes, I was lucky enough to have met her last October when the TCB Band was in Sydney for the concert.
It was a spontaneous thing, so I didn't have any questions prepared. Had about 20 minutes with her. I recorded it, but all my questions were asked in other interviews, so I never wrote it up as it wouldn't have added anything new to any discussions.
And I couldn't get past those eyes. Whew!! :blush: :blush: :blush: She was very nice, and very pleasant; and spoke highly of Elvis and the other TCB bandmembers.
presley
06-13-2007, 10:28 AM
l really don't think he had any relationship with them, maybe flirting, but heck elvis flirted with all the ladys, l really don't care who elvis dated or flirted, l have better things to do with my time instead of reseaching, who elvis did and etc.
Diane
06-13-2007, 12:10 PM
srj, have you ever met Sylvia of the Sweet Inspirations as well? And do you have an answer as to whether she ever dated Elvis or was he just teasing her as I posted before because she was overly sensitive and had such good reactions to it? I can't really see her as being his type as I can Myrna.
And what about Natalie Cole - fact or fiction?
Diane
srj1967
06-13-2007, 12:16 PM
srj, have you ever met Sylvia of the Sweet Inspirations as well? And do you have an answer as to whether she ever dated Elvis or was he just teasing her as I posted before because she was overly sensitive and had such good reactions to it? I can't really see her as being his type as I can Myrna.
And what about Natalie Cole - fact or fiction?
No, I never met Sylvia. She wasn't on the tour. I have never heard of Elvis dating her, but it may very well have happened. I think she and Elvis were good friends, and he had fun "scaring" her on stage.
Natalie Cole? Again, never heard that one. I'd say no, though. Natalie was born in 1950, so I don't think the timing would be right, eg her coming into womanhood / Elvis' marriage etc.
But stranger things than that have proven to be true later, so you never know ...
Donut
06-13-2007, 12:29 PM
And what about Natalie Cole - fact or fiction?
Diane
Diane, now that you say I read in some book wich I can?t recall rigth now the title that Elvis dated Nat King Cole?s niece for a short time, I think her name was Anita. If I have time I?ll check it out for you.
Diane
06-13-2007, 12:33 PM
Thanks srj for sharing what you know.
Great Donut, thanks for correcting me.....no rush, whenever you have time.
Diane
The girl EP dated was Bonita Cole. She is the only one among African American women that EP is linked to that a photo actually exists of them together. B.B. King was asked once about the photo of him, Bonita and EP and he said she was involved with EP. That means seeing him, dating him, with him. It was also at that very same time that the infamous "shoeshine" comment was supposedly made.
Here is that photo of EP, Bonita and King. Itw as taken on Beale Street in 1957. There is another photo that exists somewhere of him and ehr together at a table at a black musical fund that same night. So she was his date in other words.
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/BBKing-ClaudiaIvy.jpeg
P.S. The girl's name is NOT Claudia Ivy either.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/BBKing-ClaudiaIvy.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight_elvis_not_racist.html&h=376&w=367&sz=42&hl=en&start=30&um=1&tbnid=QM9nQPwtoZ55PM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3DB.B.King%2B1957%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3 D18%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DCNDB,C NDB:2006-33,CNDB:en%26sa%3DN
The girl EP dated was Bonita Cole. She is the only one among African American women that EP is linked to that a photo actually exists of them together. B.B. King was asked once about the photo of him, Bonita and EP and he said she was involved with EP. That means seeing him, dating him, with him. It was also at that very same time that the infamous "shoeshine" comment was supposedly made.
Here is that photo of EP, Bonita and King. Itw as taken on Beale Street in 1957. There is another photo that exists somewhere of him and ehr together at a table at a black musical fund that same night. So she was his date in other words.
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/BBKing-ClaudiaIvy.jpeg
P.S. The girl's name is NOT Claudia Ivy either.
It's obvious from the photo that Elvis is showing the early signs of "jungle fever"
Merry
06-13-2007, 02:46 PM
What an arrogant statement! What is your definition of a "true fan" anyway? By your tone, you obviously place yourself and others on here way, way above some of us who can discuss things about Elvis that may not get talked about in the mainstream - and that you consider yourself a "true fan" as opposed to the rest of us.
"Running Elvis down" ... .
I cannot for the life of me see how speculation, debate and throwing around theories - and let me stress theories! - can be destructive to Elvis, his music or what we as fans feel for him (both as individuals or as a collective here and elsewhere)
My answer to the above, is history.
This long "posting" is a perfect example of twisting what other's say to suit oneself, and attempting to put words in other people's mouths to try and make them out to be something they aren't, the same as what is done with Elvis.
Have a nice life.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/BBKing-ClaudiaIvy.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight_elvis_not_racist.html&h=376&w=367&sz=42&hl=en&start=30&um=1&tbnid=QM9nQPwtoZ55PM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3DB.B.King%2B1957%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3 D18%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DCNDB,C NDB:2006-33,CNDB:en%26sa%3DN
That is where I got the photo from and it is not Claudia Ivy. It is a misprint. I have the same photo in a book and it describes where the photo was taken. It was taken by a black photographer that followed EP around in the 50's and took much of the popular 50's portrait shots of EP. The girl is Bonita Cole. She was an unknown Jazz musician in the 50's and niece to Nat King Cole.
Her cousin, Natalie Cole never dated EP as was asked about in a previous post.
It's obvious from the photo that Elvis is showing the early signs of "jungle fever"
Back in those days it was hard to even find a white person in the south to stand next to a black person much less have their picture taken with them. He had a lot of guts to date a black woman that's for sure. But I am proud of him for doing it and showing people that we are all the same.(y)
Back in those days it was hard to even find a white person in the south to stand next to a black person much less have their picture taken with them. He had a lot of guts to date a black woman that's for sure. But I am proud of him for doing it and showing people that we are all the same.(y)
I give Elvis a lot of credit for the way he was brought up.My family are all from Florence Alabama,just a short drive from Tupelo.It's a credit to Elvis he wasnt a racist coming from that time and area.
Jak
Donut
06-13-2007, 04:59 PM
I give Elvis a lot of credit for the way he was brought up.My family are all from Florence Alabama,just a short drive from Tupelo.It's a credit to Elvis he wasnt a racist coming from that time and area.
Jak
Yea jak. I can?t understand that kind of thinking because I?m from another continent but sure I admire Elvis more among other things for doing that in that time. That shows how big hearted and ahead of his time was Elvis (y)
Donut
06-13-2007, 05:19 PM
The girl is Bonita Cole. She was an unknown Jazz musician in the 50's and niece to Nat King Cole.
Her cousin, Natalie Cole never dated EP as was asked about in a previous post.
You are right, I called her Anita but her name was Bonita as you said but the outcome is the same ;)
Thanks for the info.
Diane
06-13-2007, 06:30 PM
Yes it is definitely to his credit that Elvis wasn't a racist having been born and raised in the south at the time he was (there was some racism in the north too as far as intermarriages or even just dating).
Great pictures everyone and thanks for the link ajr, that was a great article!
Diane
Lisarose
06-13-2007, 08:13 PM
The girl EP dated was Bonita Cole. She is the only one among African American women that EP is linked to that a photo actually exists of them together. B.B. King was asked once about the photo of him, Bonita and EP and he said she was involved with EP. That means seeing him, dating him, with him. It was also at that very same time that the infamous "shoeshine" comment was supposedly made.
Here is that photo of EP, Bonita and King. Itw as taken on Beale Street in 1957. There is another photo that exists somewhere of him and ehr together at a table at a black musical fund that same night. So she was his date in other words.
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/BBKing-ClaudiaIvy.jpeg
Cute girl! Elvis had great taste!
Back in those days it was hard to even find a white person in the south to stand next to a black person much less have their picture taken with them. He had a lot of guts to date a black woman that's for sure. But I am proud of him for doing it and showing people that we are all the same.(y)
Very well stated. I'm from Texas & I'm not that old, but I do remember when blacks had their own entrance at the Uptown Theater in my hometown. It still unbelievable to me!
srj1967
06-14-2007, 06:36 AM
Have a nice life.
I will take that to mean it is your final statement to me or any of my posts. Add me to your ignore list. You and I will both be better off.
And I will let your statement "However, it has just been a build up of six months of some people who don't appear to be true fans, running Elvis down on this board" stand for itself, and for others to judge if I indeed put words into your mouth by suggesting you think others aren't "true fans".
Again, if you don't like a topic, don't respond.
But to the topic once again:
There are also some photos of Elvis and just BB together, but I can't remember if they're from the same night.
I think BB and Elvis may have met more than once. BB always speaks highly of Elvis and puts pay to the theories about Elvis' supposed racism.
And I agree with other posts on here that speculation about Elvis dating Bonita Cole, Barbara McNair etc should be no different than talking about Ann Margret, Mary Ann Mobley or whomever. Let's not let political correctness ruin any more than it already has in this world ...
That is where I got the photo from and it is not Claudia Ivy. It is a misprint. I have the same photo in a book and it describes where the photo was taken. It was taken by a black photographer that followed EP around in the 50's and took much of the popular 50's portrait shots of EP.
The photographers name is Ernest Withers . He took a lot of pictures done in the Civil Rights Movement.
He also went to jail for "taking paybacks" , though I don't hold that against him....Look at the Washinton scandals today .:'(
I have yet to have him tell me that was Bonita Cole though. ;)
I could care less if Elvis dated or married a black person. IMO, all the "racism "back then was uncalled for.
{It seems the post I objected to is now removed , but I still have a copy .:D }
To the original post, there's been some interesting discussion.
That I like; but still no proof IMO.
Merry
06-14-2007, 07:11 AM
I will take that to mean it is your final statement to me or any of my posts. Add me to your ignore list. You and I will both be better off.
And I will let your statement "However, it has just been a build up of six months of some people who don't appear to be true fans, running Elvis down on this board" stand for itself, and for others to judge if I indeed put words into your mouth by suggesting you think others aren't "true fans".
Again, if you don't like a topic, don't respond.
But to the topic once again:
There are also some photos of Elvis and just BB together, but I can't remember if they're from the same night.
I think BB and Elvis may have met more than once. BB always speaks highly of Elvis and puts pay to the theories about Elvis' supposed racism.
And I agree with other posts on here that speculation about Elvis dating Bonita Cole, Barbara McNair etc should be no different than talking about Ann Margret, Mary Ann Mobley or whomever. Let's not let political correctness ruin any more than it already has in this world ...
Let me be direct.
I am speaking directly to you, not putting words in anyone's mouth. Let your words of running me and others down, speak for themselves.
People can make their own minds up; however, you are again attempting to put words in my mouth (in my opinion, you are attempting to deflect from yourself). With regard to my comment re "Elvis Fans", you know what? I don't care. I am not ashamed of anything I say, as I come from a place of caring and this is obvious.
I really am sick of people of your ilk, doing what you do, and you know what, at this particular moment in time, I really am sick of bothering with a place like this, if people like you, who are thankfully in the minority, continue to run others down.
True Elvis Fans? If the Fans here have a guilty conscience, they would take offense at my comment, there are mostly lovely people on here, so no, they would see, as I do, what you are saying, is for your own reasons.
You know, a lot of people say things to you, taking exception to your words, haven't you realised that yet?
You never answered me. What level in Martial Arts did you get to?
I only remained here out of loyalty, and unless a particular person returns, who left because of the carry on of people like you, and Numbers, I won't be back.
Don't speculate, when it comes to me, thank you.
?In practical life the wisest and soundest people avoid speculation.?
George Earle Buckle
By the way, I abhore people who are racist.
srj1967
06-14-2007, 07:49 AM
With regard to my comment re "Elvis Fans", you know what? I don't care.
Then why bother to respond?
I really am sick of people of your ilk, doing what you do, and you know what, at this particular moment in time, I really am sick of bothering with a place like this, if people like you, who are thankfully in the minority, continue to run others down.
Bye bye, then. I responded to your take about "true fans" versus others, as your implication was clear. Go on, admit it ... you and ajr think that I (and Numbers, maybe EP75 and some others) aren't "true" fans. No other inference could have been gathered from your statement. And "doing what I do" ... I debate the issues, ask for proof if people have information about concerts, photos, songs etc and there are occasionally times when people will disagree. Why is that so upsetting ... because I am in the "minority" of those who can discuss different aspects of Elvis and his music than those you feel comfortable talking about?
You never answered me. What level in Martial Arts did you get to?
I did answer you. I have a black belt in a form of kung fu, which I achieved in 1985. Haven't practiced for many years though.
I only remained here out of loyalty, (to whom? Elvis? What do you think we are all on here for?) and unless a particular person returns (who?), who left because of the carry on of people like you, and Numbers, I won't be back.
I don't mind either way whether you stay or go. Aside from your last couple of posts, most of yours were worth reading. Why would your tenure here be dictated by someone else coming back? Once again ... if a topic isn't to your liking, don't respond. Otherwise, join us in free and (relatively) uncensored debate ... which is exactly what I'm assuming this forum was created for, and which you are attempting to stifle.
By the way, I abhore people who are racist.
Good for you, I never suggested you didn't. I hate racism as well - something we can finally agree upon! (y)
If you wish to challenge any facts or statements I put up on here, then of course please do so. That is what free debate is all about. Just don't bother impugning me or others if we don't meet your expectations as a "true fan".
Tooooooooooooooo the topic again ...
I had never seen this picture of Bonita Cole, or any other reference to her. Anyone know anything more about her?
Diane
06-14-2007, 08:08 AM
Hope I don't start something up again but I can't see where these photos are proof that Elvis dated the women pictured in them. As in the case of Bonita Cole, it's just as possible that she and BB King ran into him on Beale St. and they were all photographed together. There are no captions included saying that Bonita and Elvis were on a date.
In my mind I don't doubt he wasn't a racist and probably did date some women of colour but no one seems to be able to post positive proof unless I missed something in the above posts?. :blink:
On the other hand, to me it doesn't matter one way or the other except that if he did, it adds another special quality to him.
Diane
srj1967
06-14-2007, 08:10 AM
On the other hand, to me it doesn't matter one way or the other except that if he did, it adds another special quality to him.
Diane
Yes, exactly Diane ... Finally, someone gets it! Why would this topic be off limits? (y) (y)
It's obvious from the photo that Elvis is showing the early signs of "jungle fever"
I do take offense to this statement by jak though . :rolleyes:
Was this necessary ??
I do take offense to this statement by jak though . :rolleyes:
Was this necessary ??
You will manage to get over it eventually.
You will manage to get over it eventually.
But, will others ?? That was a big racial slur where I came from (n)
I also followed the link put on here & found several ones that post here; talking about ones on this site. Call me anything you like ....I don't bait easily. I learned from the best. :D
I also went further back on this thread & found the post I disagreed with....nothing to do with dating a black woman .
My God, this whole thread has been trashed .....so, I leave it to you that took it from an innocently asked question.
But, will others ?? That was a big racial slur where I came from (n)
I also followed the link put on here & found several ones that post here; talking about ones on this site. Call me anything you like ....I don't bait easily. I learned from the best. :D
I also went further back on this thread & found the post I disagreed with....nothing to do with dating a black woman .
My God, this whole thread has been trashed .....so, I leave it to you that took it from an innocently asked question.
I got a feeling most here will come to grips with my comment.I believe Spike Lee used that term for a movie.Not a racial slur to me.I didnt call you anything by the way or "bait" you.Sorry to dissapoint but all my posts are not directed at you.Please add me to your ignore list if my posts offend you.I apologize to the mods for going off topic to defend myself but the comments by the true "bully" on the board required my response.Hopefully she will not respond because there is no need to.Let's move on.
Jak
There's nothing racial about what Jak said. It's called "living in modern day times".
Diane
06-14-2007, 10:17 AM
I've heard that as a joke too and that's how I took it. Plenty jokes about "white folk" out there too.
Let's just please quit the fighting and lighten up!
Diane
tcbtigerman
06-15-2007, 01:30 PM
I agree with EP75.Sounds like you wont accept the fact that Elvis dated women of different ethnic backgrounds other than white!I think you have a problem.Deal with it,not everyone back in those days was racist or stuck with their own race etc... Elvis saw no color.He just saw people.And its not just my opinion,its a fact.He did date women of different ethnic backgrounds,including Rita Moreno(Puertorican),BarbaraMcnair(African American, Myrna Smith(African American) and a lot more im sure. Big deal! A beautiful woman is a beautifulwoman.And if you get a long,why not? Thats the way he thought.I know people in the E.P world and know stories imsure youdont,sobelieve me.Its fact.Now deal with it.
I agree with EP75.Sounds like you wont accept the fact that Elvis dated women of different ethnic backgrounds other than white!I think you have a problem.Deal with it,not everyone back in those days was racist or stuck with their own race etc... Elvis saw no color.He just saw people.And its not just my opinion,its a fact.He did date women of different ethnic backgrounds,including Rita Moreno(Puertorican),BarbaraMcnair(African American, Myrna Smith(African American) and a lot more im sure. Big deal! A beautiful woman is a beautifulwoman.And if you get a long,why not? Thats the way he thought.I know people in the E.P world and know stories imsure youdont,sobelieve me.Its fact.Now deal with it.
You nailed it.Some dont want to believe it.
Both Tigerman and Jak are correct but I am staying out of this discussion from now on. Some just don't get it and they never will so no use in trying to show the light to the blind.
GIORGIA
02-10-2010, 03:53 PM
last time this was covered someone said he dated Barbara McNair. I've also read in one of my books (sorry can't remember which none) a story that he and a cousin were on a double date with two African American girls in the early 1950's and the police stoped them and tlod them to get home, they said they were coming home from church i think to aviod trouble from the police.
I'm sure others here will know more than me.I read too this story,in a book that call:Elvis Presley-Complite Guide:blush:(y).The year was 1954.
GIORGIA
02-10-2010, 03:55 PM
Also in June Junico's book she says he tought she was part African American when they first meet.
Really?Wow!
GIORGIA
02-10-2010, 03:58 PM
The girl EP dated was Bonita Cole. She is the only one among African American women that EP is linked to that a photo actually exists of them together. B.B. King was asked once about the photo of him, Bonita and EP and he said she was involved with EP. That means seeing him, dating him, with him. It was also at that very same time that the infamous "shoeshine" comment was supposedly made.
Here is that photo of EP, Bonita and King. Itw as taken on Beale Street in 1957. There is another photo that exists somewhere of him and ehr together at a table at a black musical fund that same night. So she was his date in other words.
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/BBKing-ClaudiaIvy.jpeg
P.S. The girl's name is NOT Claudia Ivy either.I don't knew that,until now.Now I know:P!Thank you sooooooooooooooooo much for this amazing picture:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::clap:: clap::clap::clap:!First time that I saw that!Truly beautiful!Lucky Her:blush::blush::blush::blush:!I wish I was Her:blush::blush::blush::blush:!
Tony Trout
02-10-2010, 06:54 PM
There were rumors about Myrna Smith being close two him
I also heard rumours of Myrna Smith. I think they had something more than a friendship.
Myrna and Elvis did have a close friendship but that was it - nothing more than that.
rocknroll
02-10-2010, 07:37 PM
Obviously, there is proof Elvis dated plenty of white women. There is, however, NO proof or coroboration that Elvis ever dated a black woman and I seriously doubt he ever did. Taking a picture with a black woman offers nothing in the way of proof that he dated that person......nothing. Until Elvis himself says it, it didn't happen......sorry if that bursts anyones bubble.
rickb
02-10-2010, 08:49 PM
I remember being `chatted up' by a black American in Memphis way back when. This was noticed and a white guy asked me about how Ifelt about having a relationship with a black woman. Obviously it was not a `common' thing at the time.
I relate this to show attitudes towards inter-racial relationships. This happened a decade after Elvis died.
The color or race of a potential partner makes no difference to me but obviously it does to others.
rickb
02-12-2010, 09:07 PM
Patsy, I think you post warrants you being banned from this forum
mistymorning
02-12-2010, 11:04 PM
I don't knew that,until now.Now I know:P!Thank you sooooooooooooooooo much for this amazing picture:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::clap:: clap::clap::clap:!First time that I saw that!Truly beautiful!Lucky Her:blush::blush::blush::blush:!I wish I was Her:blush::blush::blush::blush:!
Yeahhhhhhhh !1 really beautiful pic !!!!!!!!! She was very lucky !!!(y)
mistymorning
02-12-2010, 11:12 PM
Donut, I've noticed too that Elvis liked to tease Sylvia on TTWII and on stage because she was shy and reacted so well, but I feel it was just teasing. I do think she was attracted to him though and he knew it but I don't think their relationship went any further than that. I have no idea at all whether he ever had a real relationship with Myrna or not........nice lady he could and did have done worse.
Diane
Is sylvia the girl with long straight black hair ?!1Yeah obviously she was attracted to him and Elvis enjoys teasing her !!!!:P
debtdbruno
02-13-2010, 07:37 AM
Patsy, I think you post warrants you being banned from this forum
I agree!!!!
Tommy
02-13-2010, 08:19 AM
Please keep it nice, and please everyone do continue, everything is fine. Taken care of.(y)
Diane
02-13-2010, 08:24 AM
Is sylvia the girl with long straight black hair ?!1Yeah obviously she was attracted to him and Elvis enjoys teasing her !!!!:P
Yes Sylvia was the one with the long black hair.
Diane
GIORGIA
02-13-2010, 08:58 AM
Yeahhhhhhhh !1 really beautiful pic !!!!!!!!! She was very lucky !!!(y):blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::b lush::blush:
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