understanding lisa

[joanne]

Having been critical of Lisa Marie in the past, Upon reading Inside Elvis and finding out that during difficult moments in her life she used to phone up Aunt Delta for advice and help only for her to stop taking her calls because she felt she had to stand on her own two feet I begun to acknowledge that Lisa has had things quite difficult.
Having had no family from her fathers side to guide her and raise her she has only had the Beaulieus and they have been no support to her.
She certainly wasn`t close to her mother and even though Priscilla likes to make out otherwise I still don`t believe they are that close.
For Lisa to admit on Oprah that she has only just bonded with her mother in the last couple of years at 37 years of age Isn`t something to be proud of If I was Priscilla.
Lisas closeness to Linda Thompson made Priscilla bitter and when Elvis died the woman that she phoned wasn`t her mother but Linda.
I don`t think Priscilla has helped her daughter deal with Elvis`s death.
Lisa can`t talk about the day he died and has trouble talking about him at all which means she hasn`t dealt with his death.
Instead of her mother doing magazine interviews, writing Elvis and Me, doing the talk show circuit she should have been at home talking to her daughter about him.
When Priscilla was critical of Elvis on oprah saying "he didnt really know" in regards to the fact that he was spoiling her and had no idea how to raise a child Lisa put her head down and gave the familiar look of someone who had heard her mother criticize her father many times before. She certainly didn`t look happy about it.
At the end of the show when Priscilla was hawking the musical all shook up, the book and dvd elvis by the presleys Lisa didnt know where to put herself and looked very embarrassed at being associated with cashing in on her father.
She didnt like it.
I don`t like Lisas music and I am still appaulled by her language and her attitude on certain occasions and her lack of interest in the Elvis world but we must accept her for the way she is.

[ajr]

After reading & watching Lisa for many years; I agree with you 100%.

In spite of her language, she's defending herself & her dad in many ways,IMO. :'( She won't say much about him & nothing relating to 8/16/77 . I was surprised to see her on that "Presley by the Presley's" .
Of course ,there were few Presleys in that thing.:rolleyes:
I've seen her on Oprah when she did some interviews too. She said she & her mother were not close. When Priscilla came on O, Lisa was visibly upset & looked like she felt intimidated.
In fact in some of the interviews, she said as much.

It's way past time for someone to help her deal with her fathers death.
Scientology does not accept psychiatry . But, IMO ...it would help her a great deal. So, I try to not judge her too harshly.

http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200503/20050328/slide_20050328_207.jhtml

[Diane]

Joanne, I've always felt sorry for Lissa for all the reasons you have stated above. From the day she was born I was sure her life wasn't going to be easy.

I've read that early in her pregnancy Priscilla talked to Elvis about having an abortion because they were having problems but he was against it. Then it was told about how she worried everyone by riding her horse at full tilt during her pregnancy - was she trying to get rid of her child then too?

When Lisa was a child Priscilla always bragged how she was the strong disciplinarian of the two parents and Elvis simply spoiled her. I often wondered if she ever got much cuddling from her mother. You can't go by pictures.

I also feel very strongly that Lisa's bad language and shocking comments on some interviews was for shock value and a cry for help. She's calmed down quite a bit the last couple of years.

I'm not terribly fond of her music material but as I've stated before, I find her voice a welcome change from the shriekers we hear so much today - I'm not a Whitney Houston fan.

All in all I think she's doing the best she can with what she was handed and I do hope that she's found love and comfort with Michael at last.

[presley]

I agree with you diane, it seems that Lisa has so much hurt and disappointment. Priscilla should off been there for her no matter what, kids always come before boyfriends, but in lisa case she was always getting shipped off here and there, so priscilla could do what ever she wanted. Not long after elvis death, priscilla shipped lisa off to summer camp, l think that is just insenstive to do that to someone who just lost there father. Lisa turly needs the happeniss and be accepted for who she is and the person she has become.

[TCBEP]

I was surprised to see her on that "Presley by the Presley's" .
Of course ,there were few Presleys in that thing.:rolleyes:


Well, it was called "Elvis By The Presley's", so i would expect some Presley's to be in it, wouldn't you? :supriced:


As usual it's ALL Priscilla's fault!! Same s##t, different topic!!

[ajr]

Well, it was called "Elvis By The Presley's", so i would expect some Presley's to be in it, wouldn't you? :supriced:


As usual it's ALL Priscilla's fault!! Same s##t, different topic!!

My mistake; not awake when I posted that .;)
Thanks for the correction.
You can probably tell....I can't say I liked it.

I don't think I said anything bad at Priscilla though. Surely, we can all read & make our own deisions .:)

[TCBEP]

You can probably tell....I can't say I liked it.



What's not to like, rare footage of Elvis, insightful interviews, what more do you want?

[ajr]

I'd already seen most everything shown.
Just needed more "Elvis " in there .;)
{I'm talking about the TV program.}

Kinda bothered me when they tried talking to Lisa about Elvis too.
She started crying & waved the camera away.....
I wondered why they even left that in......??

[riley]

that part of Lisa was indeed sad to see but so human and real.

When I saw her reaction to his death I knew I would never have to bother again even reading an article about the alive theorie.

One look at her face and I knew enough, Elvis did die on that terrible 16th of August 1977:'(

[ajr]

It was indeed human & real.....but, there comes a time when enough is enough, IMO.
None of us have a right to interfere in her sadness. I don't care how much the press thinks differently. Thing is; this wasn't even the press, but just a docu. made & sold . She has a right to her privacy on certain issues.
Whoever allowed that are not at the top of my "friend list." :'(

[TCBEP]

It was indeed human & real.....but, there comes a time when enough is enough, IMO.
None of us have a right to interfere in her sadness. I don't care how much the press thinks differently. Thing is; this wasn't even the press, but just a docu. made & sold . She has a right to her privacy on certain issues.
Whoever allowed that are not at the top of my "friend list." :'(


As i sais earlier the documentary is entitled "Elvis By The Presley's", and was sanctioned by "The Presley's" and ok'ed by "The Presley's" - both Priscilla and Lisa, so what was on that documentary is what "The Presley's" wanted us to see!

[ajr]

You're right .....but, I don't have to like it. ;) :)

I was trying to be nice & keep my mouth shut for a change about who sold it .
Of course, there are no Presley's anymore.

[Lisarose]

Unfortunately, Lisa will be measured as an entertainer in Elvis standards. I don't like the language she uses, but it's what's out there now. Some of the music I like, & I like that she's writing it herself.(y) She should be judged on her own merits.
I don't compare the Beatles to Elvis, even though they all claim that Elvis was a HUGE influence in their music. Same goes for Bono, Jon BonJovi, Eric Clapton, & all the rest. And while Bob Dylan is IMO the greatest writer ever, I would not pay a dime to hear him sing live or on tape. Now if Lisa came to my hometown & were to play at the 2-Oh-5 Bar, I would pay to go listen to her. I wouldn't expect her to sing her father's songs, or to sound like him, but it would be interesting.
I wonder if Lisa will ever truly stand on her own as an entertainer? It took Hank, Jr a long time to break away from his daddy's image.

[presley]

Ajr
Did you forget Lisa is a presley?

[ajr]

Air
Did you forget Lisa is a presley?

Not legally, anymore .;)
Though, bloodwise, I accept her as one ...
She looks just like her daddy.....:)
Patsy was there from the Presley side; but technically, she's no Presley either . Most of the Presleys & Smiths are gone that any of us knew .

[TCBEP]

Not legally, anymore .;)
Though, bloodwise, I accept her as one ...
She looks just like her daddy.....:)
Patsy was there from the Presley side; but technically, she's no Presley either . Most of the Presleys & Smiths are gone that any of us knew .

Did she change her name legally? She could have gotten married and still kept the Presley name.

[Diane]

I agree with Presley - I definitely consider Lisa still a Presley - blood is thicker than (water) legalities ha. I've never heard whether she kept her maiden name of not, does anyone know?

Diane

[tlcElvis]

Her web site still says Lisa Presley so I don't think she changed her name.

http://lisapresley.com/

[presley]

She did keep her name, that name means the world to her, cause its her dads last name.

[ajr]

Definitly not important enough to disagree .....:)
She has much more of a right to use it than her mother .
While I don't like her music ; I agree with her sentiments about her father's "friends."


Read Lisa's interviews: She tells it like it is. Maybe, she will be the one that writes the "Real Elvis Story ." I can understand where she's coming from. (y)


The other song explicitly about her father is called "Nobody Noticed It." It was written after a day when, clicking through the TV channels, she stumbled across the E! True Hollywood Story: The Last Days of Elvis in which many of her father's associates and hangers-on talked about his downfall. "I couldn't believe they were trying to take his dignity -- Sonny West, Marty Lacker, Red West, all these people that were worse than him." These were all people she knew from his lifetime: "They scared the hell out of me when I was a kid, too. I remember seeing the Playboys, the drugs, the women -- I watched it all, and I watched them. I know the real story behind all of them, and I know what they're out there doing."

After seeing the program, she was in shock. She couldn't sleep, she was so angry. "I just thought, 'You slithering mother****************ers have no right. None. You were responsible for this just as much as he was. His dignity was one of the most important things to him, and you are trying to take it away.' "

[TCBEP]

Not legally, anymore .;)

What do you mean by this? Do you know something we don't know?

[ajr]

Not hardly.....she's just gotten married 3 times. ;)
She's ok IMO......

Things change with marriage ,whether you decide to change your last name or not.

[TCBEP]

It's just that when you said that Lisa wasn't "Legally" a Presley anymore, i wondered what you meant. I asked the question because i know that "Legally" Lisa is still a Presley but you said "Legally" she wasn't, what did you mean by that??

[ajr]

Let's not start any new rumors.....;)
Lisa WAS born a Presley. She married the Keough, then M.Jackson then, Cage & now another one. Generally, women change their last names to their husbands. I have no idea if Lisa ever bothered.

There WAS a wild story going around several years ago that Lisa was NOT Lisa , but another woman was. I never believed any of that story; though apparently some did.

That's all I meant . :)

[patricia]

I agree with you diane, it seems that Lisa has so much hurt and disappointment. Priscilla should off been there for her no matter what, kids always come before boyfriends, but in lisa case she was always getting shipped off here and there, so priscilla could do what ever she wanted. Not long after elvis death, priscilla shipped lisa off to summer camp, l think that is just insenstive to do that to someone who just lost there father. Lisa turly needs the happeniss and be accepted for who she is and the person she has become.that s very true
priscillas live in lover in the eighties was michael edwards and he fancied lisa and admitted so. he even said that he was sexually aroused by her when she was a teenager
priscilla knew about it while still staying with him, what kind of a mother would do that ?
i think shes jealous of her daughter as well
when lisa had some make up on priscilla demanded she wash it all off, shes jealous
shes even been know to slap her daughter across the face on occasion
she was not looking after her as she shoul d of been because lisa was getting it on at aged 15 with a guy ten years older who worked on the movie love is forever that priscilla was starring in.
unfit mother.

[KPM]

My heart goes out to her because she more than likely saw her father dead, if not, she at the least had to see and hear the panic and extreme confusion of the day he died. That scars you for life, nightmares that never go away. (I say that from personal experience)
She hears the bad comments, true and untrue, about her father and his life. She hears the jokes and rumors. I don't doubt she occasionally visits sites like this as a fly on the wall. Her life is her life but- from day one she had a million advantages and just as many disadvantages.
Its took a daughters love which wrote the song "Nobody Noticed It":


I heard broken footsteps. Was that you limping. Well, I wish that I had spent just a little bit more time with you. Tears on my ceiling. Weren?t you watching. Well, I guess none of us will ever know what comes after this. You?re still lovely. You were lovely then. All that you had to endure. I guess nobody noticed it. I know your resemblance. It?s out there walking. And I wanted you to know that I haven?t forgotten.

Well, they tried to make you look broken. But not while I?m living. ?cause I wanted you to know that I heard what you said while it was raining. You?re still lovely. You were lovely then. All that you had to endure. I guess nobody noticed it. You made me. I love you and Did you know nothing has changed. And now everyone they notice it. Everyone notices.

You?re still lovely. You were lovely then. All that you had to endure. I guess nobody noticed it. You made me. I love you and Did you know nothing has changed. And now everyone they notice it. Everyone notices.
Powerful lyrics form her heart.

[joanne]

I totally sympathise with her for the loss of her father and I started this thread because I have tried to see the good in her but sometimes it has been difficult.
I warmed to her a little on the Oprah show but only to find that the next time I saw her she was quite rude.
She constantly moans about the media and the questions about MJ and NC but you can`t marry two very famous men and not expect to be asked about them. The same goes about her father.
"I`m waiting for them to make one more step" she said (meaning the media).
When Oprah asked her whats the worse thing they`ve ever done and the best thing she could come up with was that they said she weighed x amount of pounds.
BIG DEAL
Compare that to what Elvis had said about his weight (when he was alive).
Nobody made her start a musical career. Nobody made her marry Michael Jackson either.
She is one of those celebrities that I don`t like which is someone who goes on talk shows and then acts like she doesn`t want to be there.
She can`t go on Oprah Winfrey and talk in depth about Michael Jackson only to do another interview and moan about being asked about him.
Elvis had a very bad year in 56 and was being brought down by nearly every adult but he never behaved in any manner that was disrespectful.
On a radio interview that I heard she was nasty to the interviewer (from commercial appeal) and I felt very sorry for him.
He was speaking to her very nicely and she suddenly started on him saying that he was always ripping on the estate etc and I found it was totally out of order.
When he asked her at the end of the interview if she was coming to Memphis to perform on her tour someone in the background on her side was a bit rude saying make it your last question etc trying to get rid of him.
Her attitude on many occasions has not been good and she doesn`t do herself any favours.
I don`t blame her attitude on her fathers death either.
We have all lost loved ones but we can`t go around for the rest of our lives thinking the world owes us something.
A persons personality is formed in childhood anyway and we all know how tyranical she was as a child.
Because a cook at graceland wouldn`t give her chocolate cake (because elvis told her not to give her any because it will spoil her dinner) she screamed "get out, this is my house" and unfortunately 30 years later she is still the same.

[Diane]

Joanne, on the whole I agree with you but Lisa was the the way she was and is now because she was "allowed" to be like that. She should have been upbraided for that kind of behavior and wasn't because she didn't have enough parental supervision. The cooks etc. were babysitters as well as what they were hired to do and it wasn't really their place to put her in her place. Priscilla was known to be "huffy" with the "help" too so was not a good example in that way.


Diane

[ajr]

Lisa, like all of us ...will have to learn the hard way.
I've always thought she appeared very angry & bitter. I give her allowance for how she feels about the MM. {just listen to me complain about them;) }

The people that love her, love her "*****y" attitude . I do think she needs to take up for herself .....but, there's much she still needs to figure out.
It's kinda hard to make any relationship work when you're so angry all the time.......maybe her new husband can help her .
I really, truly hope so. :)

[Merry]

Lisa, like all of us ...will have to learn the hard way.
I've always thought she appeared very angry & bitter. I give her allowance for how she feels about the MM. {just listen to me complain about them;) }

The people that love her, love her "*****y" attitude . I do think she needs to take up for herself .....but, there's much she still needs to figure out.
It's kinda hard to make any relationship work when you're so angry all the time.......maybe her new husband can help her .
I really, truly hope so. :)



The older women will know, that generally speaking, women don't start to think more deeply, to "come into themselves", until their forties.

Furthermore, a deeper understanding is gained, as we all grow older, of how other people tick, and why. As we grow older, we (or should) have empathy for others, as we know we've made mistakes, so of course we have to allow others to do the same, and empathise, allowing others to learn, and to develop into themselves. After all, our path, is what makes us us, and what makes us special human beings, as we learn.

Lisa is coming into herself. She has had to be strong. In her position, having to deal with how rough other people can be towards her family (lies, betrayal, who wouldn't be upset? Honestly?), I can't and won't blame her for projecting back what is/was thrown at her. In her position, with all the lies that were told, or the facts that were sensationalised by "friends" who took money to share their private moments with Elvis, I think I would be bitter, I honestly do. If hurt, I have trouble letting go of things, I honestly feel I have no right to judge her, but to empathise with her. I have trouble not over-reacting myself, towards those who betray Elvis.

I admire Lisa, she is Elvis' baby girl, and I automatically feel a fondness for her, of family, because of my feelings for him.

Jess

[ajr]

What's this "older women" crap, Jess?? I knew "everything" by the time I was 16.....;) :lol: ;) :lol: Kidding, of course .I thought I knew everything at 16.

There's nothing I can do to help/change Lisa, so I'll shut up.
I can't say I like her music, but I didn't like my kids choice of music either.
{I can't remember if they "grew up" or I did ;) }

I CAN say I think Lisa has been hurt in ways we'll never know. It IS time for her to face it . {she's pushing fourty ;) }
She seems to react to hurt & frustration like her dad; like many of us actually. With anger .
I'm praying she'll work it out.

[Merry]

What's this "older women" crap, Jess?? I knew "everything" by the time I was 16.....;) :lol: ;) :lol: Kidding, of course .I thought I knew everything at 16..

That's when you employ children, lol, as they of course, know everything. (y)


There's nothing I can do to help/change Lisa, so I'll shut up.
I can't say I like her music, but I didn't like my kids choice of music either.
{I can't remember if they "grew up" or I did ;) }

I really like quite a few of her songs, lol, but that would probably be the generation gap between you, Lisa and I. I also admire Lisa for writing her own lyrics and putting her feelings out there.


I CAN say I think Lisa has been hurt in ways we'll never know. It IS time for her to face it . {she's pushing fourty ;) }
She seems to react to hurt & frustration like her dad; like many of us actually. With anger .
I'm praying she'll work it out.


Yes, I lash out, lol, so not perfect. Facing things, I look around, who does that? lol...... Yes, it comes with time, she will, she has wonderful genes, lol. I'm praying for all of them. It will work out, but people just have to be open to help from those who love them.

[hounddog]

I don't think any of us can uinderstand what it was like growing up with the madness that surrounded Elvis. All the kings men and all the wanna be kings men and all the peopel that wanted to be round him just to say they were.

I do beleive Elvis sheltered here from as much of it as possible but it must have been hard being a kid in such an adult world and she would have seen elements of it. She talks abouit it quite openly.

Elvis was Lisa's world and she defeneds him to the end but she probably saw to much for someone so young. And it has been mentioned many times that Lisa saw Elvis on the bathroom floor and yelled out "what's wrong with my Daddy." This would tend to mess you up a bit.

None of us knwo what it was like being Elvis only child. That woudl have been enough to tip most over the edge. I think Lisa is a very smart, articulate and together woman who tells it like it is about her reality.

[patricia]

I don't think any of us can uinderstand what it was like growing up with the madness that surrounded Elvis. All the kings men and all the wanna be kings men and all the peopel that wanted to be round him just to say they were.

I do beleive Elvis sheltered here from as much of it as possible but it must have been hard being a kid in such an adult world and she would have seen elements of it. She talks abouit it quite openly.

Elvis was Lisa's world and she defeneds him to the end but she probably saw to much for someone so young. And it has been mentioned many times that Lisa saw Elvis on the bathroom floor and yelled out "what's wrong with my Daddy." This would tend to mess you up a bit.

None of us knwo what it was like being Elvis only child. That woudl have been enough to tip most over the edge. I think Lisa is a very smart, articulate and together woman who tells it like it is about her reality.Shes articulate alright. :D
Shes that smart she married Michael Jackson.

[hounddog]

"Shes that smart she married Michael Jackson." Most of have relationships we look back and and go what the hell was i thinking.

[Merry]

"Most of have relationships we look back and and go what the hell was i thinking.


Absolutely!

Jess

[patricia]

"Shes that smart she married Michael Jackson." Most of have relationships we look back and and go what the hell was i thinking.relationships yes but she didnt have to marry him.

[ajr]

I think Lisa explained M.Jackson marriage ,in her own ,mixed up way.
He reminded her of her dad....the music ,the gossip, the hype he created, the press & public after him. She's said she "felt sorry for him & wanted to help him" in some strange ,weird way. She screwed up. ;)

I've not seen any of her marriage partners chosen for a "good reason."
Except she still appears close to her first one, Danny.
But, what can I say?? The two I chose were no prizes.:blink:
I just had sense enough to give up......:)

[patricia]

I think Lisa explained M.Jackson marriage ,in her own ,mixed up way.
He reminded her of her dad....the music ,the gossip, the hype he created, the press & public after him. She's said she "felt sorry for him & wanted to help him" in some strange ,weird way. She screwed up. ;)

I've not seen any of her marriage partners chosen for a "good reason."
Except she still appears close to her first one, Danny.
But, what can I say?? The two I chose were no prizes.:blink:
I just had sense enough to give up......:)I`ve always liked Nicholas Cage and his movies, he seems a decent guy.
She seems to dominate the new one. It can`t be easy for the men as she wants everything her own way.
The scientology isn`t good either and Priscilla is to blame for all that.

[ajr]

I've always liked Nick Cage "movies". I'm not so sure about the man.
The first movie of his; I thought he was the ugliest man alive...
he grew on me , I guess. ;)

I haven't heard much about her & the present one. Of course, I don't travel in their social circles....:hmm:
Scientology was introduced to both Lisa & Priscilla by John Travolta .
{I used to like him } It's an "interesting "way to look at life, for sure.
I read Hubbard's book Dianetics years ago.....but saw nothing in it for me.

I don't know if Lisa wants her way all the time; or if she just seems to get it .
It would take a strong man to live with her, maybe that's what she needs??.

[hounddog]

"relationships yes but she didnt have to marry him." A marriage is a realationship it's about being involved and part of some one else's life. I quess i view marraige, living together, defacto's all as a realationship.

As Patrica said Lisa explained her marraige to Michael.

[Donut]

I don?t have anything bad or good to say about Lisa?s personal life. Fans tend to see her as a prolongation of Elvis when in fact she is a different person with her own mind and body and sometimes even they judge her for being or not in Elvis?s events. If I admire her for something is exactly for not wanting to get involved too much in all that and not wanting to manage Elvis?s estate, for me that says a lot of what she feels about him and that she doesn?t see him as a money ticket. For us he is Elvis Presley but for her he is her father and no one will love him more than she does and I don?t care who she marries or how tough she is when she is interviewed, she is not Elvis and people shouldn?t expect of her to talk or act like him.

[Merry]

I don´t have anything bad or good to say about Lisa´s personal life. Fans tend to see her as a prolongation of Elvis when in fact she is a different person with her own mind and body and sometimes even they judge her for being or not in Elvis´s events. If I admire her for something is exactly for not wanting to get involved too much in all that and not wanting to manage Elvis´s estate, for me that says a lot of what she feels about him and that she doesn´t see him as a money ticket. For us he is Elvis Presley but for her he is her father and no one will love him more than she does and I don´t care who she marries or how tough she is when she is interviewed, she is not Elvis and people shouldn´t expect of her to talk or act like him.


I agree with what you have written, Donut. Lisa loves her father very much and I admire her for being herself.

I feel some (probably a lot) of friends love Elvis as much as Lisa, they love him for the man, himself, including the times which were the most challenging.


Jess

[Donut]

I feel some (probably a lot) of friends love Elvis as much as Lisa, they love him for the man, himself, including the times which were the most challenging.


Jess

I think all the friends that were with him from the beginning loved him, what happens is there are always bad times or frictions in a friendship along the years and more when you are with the person almost 24 hours a day, once you can be blamed for that and another time the other. But the love Lisa must feel for her dad and sadness for his loss is totally different, your parents are your roots on the earth and in normal families no one can fill that gap when they are gone.

[Merry]

I think all the friends that were with him from the beginning loved him, what happens is there are always bad times or frictions in a friendship along the years and more when you are with the person almost 24 hours a day, once you can be blamed for that and another time the other. But the love Lisa must feel for her dad and sadness for his loss is totally different, your parents are your roots on the earth and in normal families no one can fill that gap when they are gone.



I agree, there is nothing more special than the love of one's family, your own blood, it is unconditional. Friends, who are special, can be that, too.

The sadness of loss isn't so hurtful as the years go on, it is always there, it somehow changes to being able to live with it, this also allows empathy for others who feel the same. I've lost a lot of family members, those who raised me, whom I adored, died young, so I know it doesn't make the sadness less so, but one has to move on and get on with life, keeping those wonderful memories in your heart, as they always will be. Living the way they'd be happy for you to live, being happy, helping others in any little way, not being afraid to receive love. Not being afraid to give it. That is what is important.

Jess

[Nicole Presley]

[QUOTE=Diane;110416]

I've read that early in her pregnancy Priscilla talked to Elvis about having an abortion because they were having problems but he was against it.
pictures.


What?! Priscilla wanted to get rid of Lisa? That?s terrible! How can someone want to kill there own child? I?m glad that Lisa Marie lives. Good that Elvis wanted her. :angry:

[ajr]

I think all the friends that were with him from the beginning loved him, what happens is there are always bad times or frictions in a friendship along the years and more when you are with the person almost 24 hours a day, once you can be blamed for that and another time the other. But the love Lisa must feel for her dad and sadness for his loss is totally different, your parents are your roots on the earth and in normal families no one can fill that gap when they are gone.

I think all the "friends" with him from the beginning ...used him.
Lisa, as a 9 year old child saw everything & has reacted accordingly.
I can't blame her for that. I wouldn't have anything good to say about those guys either .

Coming from her loss ....I honestly feel she needs some help getting through all her feelings . No one can take a parents place, true. But as an adult, one has to deal with life as it is, no matter how bad it is.
She's a beautiful woman, I hope she finds true happiness. :)

[Merry]

I've said before, Lisa's forties, will be the time, lol. I've observed that Lisa is more settled, already. I wish her every happiness. I read she and her hubby were looking for a home overseas, does anyone know if they found one?

Jess

[Donut]

I think all the "friends" with him from the beginning ...used him.
Lisa, as a 9 year old child saw everything & has reacted accordingly.
I can't blame her for that. I wouldn't have anything good to say about those guys either .

Coming from her loss ....I honestly feel she needs some help getting through all her feelings . No one can take a parents place, true. But as an adult, one has to deal with life as it is, no matter how bad it is.
She's a beautiful woman, I hope she finds true happiness. :)

I completely disagree with you but to get my point right I would have to bash Elvis up a little and that?s unfair.

[Diane]

I usually agree with you Donut but in this case my feelings go with AJR.

I do agree that most of the MM did love Elvis but also that they were very selfish and looked out mainly for themselves and got all they could out of him and that Lisa did see that and I also can't blame her for the feelings she has for them today.

She didn't get the help she needed to get through all those bad times and I think she's done the best she could under the circumstances. It's a wonder she isn't in a straight jacket and I've thought the same of her dad!

Diane

[ajr]

I completely disagree with you but to get my point right I would have to bash Elvis up a little and that?s unfair.

Elvis was no angel. I sure don't deny that . I don't think I could have worked for him. Don't see any reason to bash anyone. Everyone has a right to their opinion. It's just from all I've read ...the so called "friends " got on the "money & fun ride" & so it began. Maybe not at the beginning ....but, later it turned out that way. IMO, they should have just walked away from it all & left Elvis to his own devices . I think that would have did him more good than to "party" with him....It's very hard to pay attention to anyone telling you what you're doing wrong, when they're doing the same thing..on your money .;)

[jak]

I think all the "friends" with him from the beginning ...used him.
Lisa, as a 9 year old child saw everything & has reacted accordingly.
I can't blame her for that. I wouldn't have anything good to say about those guys either .

Coming from her loss ....I honestly feel she needs some help getting through all her feelings . No one can take a parents place, true. But as an adult, one has to deal with life as it is, no matter how bad it is.
She's a beautiful woman, I hope she finds true happiness. :)

I think Lisa is getting way to much credit.I mean she was only a small child.I cant see a girl that young being perceptive enough to "see through" the people around Elvis or understand their motives.If she was witnessing improper behaviour it's because Elvis was allowing it and was doing the same things.Before I get labeled an "Elvis basher" ,just use common sense and think about it.The mood at Graceland had become much darker as Lisa got older.That was the result of Elvis' worsening situation.If anything Elvis made Graceland an unfit place for Lisa at the end.Elvis couldnt take care of himself during those times much less anyone else.I know it wasnt all bad but things at Graceland certainly went steadily downhill.
Jak

[Donut]

Diane,to me that give and take between Elvis and the MM Mafia was mutual, each one in the meassure of their possibilities and needs.
As for Lisa as I?ve said i don?t have anything to say about her, she is not Elvis for the good or for the bad so I don?t expect any particular behavior from her...

[Diane]

Yes Donut I can understand how you see that situation, and Jak's too but for whatever reason I feel that the friends took more than they gave and were all in all a bad influence - Elvis' choice of course, but still bad and I think Lisa perceived more than you think Jak, she was a very bright little girl and she's a bright lady now and maybe put together what she witnessed and heard later on in life remembering what she saw as a child, but she was and is a very emotionally immature person like her dad. Some people can get over their upbringing and some can't and neither one did and that coloured a lot of their choices in life - as it does most of us.

In any case not many people are all bad except sociopaths who are damaged beyond repair in my mind so to me it all comes down to all of them behaving the way most people would have in the same circumstances.

Diane

[Merry]

I think Lisa is getting way to much credit.I mean she was only a small child.I cant see a girl that young being perceptive enough to "see through" the people around Elvis or understand their motives.If she was witnessing improper behaviour it's because Elvis was allowing it and was doing the same things.Before I get labeled an "Elvis basher" ,just use common sense and think about it.The mood at Graceland had become much darker as Lisa got older.That was the result of Elvis' worsening situation.If anything Elvis made Graceland an unfit place for Lisa at the end.Elvis couldnt take care of himself during those times much less anyone else.I know it wasnt all bad but things at Graceland certainly went steadily downhill.
Jak



Elvis was cleaning house, we all know that, and yes, I could tell peoples' characters, to a certain extent, at that age, sensing them. A lot of children can. Lisa is very sensitive, sounds like she is the same.

Let's not run anyone down (and I don't think you want to, either, probably unnecessary for me to say this, I'm up at 4:30 a.m. typing this, hope it makes sense, lol).

This is a nice calm thread, we are all doing well, lol :clap:

Jess

[ajr]

Elvis was cleaning house, we all know that, and yes, I could tell peoples' characters, to a certain extent, at that age, sensing them. A lot of children can. Lisa is very sensitive, sounds like she is the same.

Let's not run anyone down (and I don't think you want to, either, probably unnecessary for me to say this, I'm up at 4:30 a.m. typing this, hope it makes sense, lol).

This is a nice calm thread, we are all doing well, lol :clap:

Jess

Agree, Jess. Children are very perceptive. She might not of realized what she was seeing at that age. But, when grown, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together. ;)

I chose to ignore the darkness trying to creep in... so, yes, everything's calm & peaceful. :)

[jak]

No need to invoke drama when somebody starts tossing the truth around.It's best to look at things honestly rather than the way we wanted them to be.Elvis was surely the king of his castle.Ultimately he was the guy responsible for the activity inside and the environment that Lisa was exposed to.Lets all walk to the light together;)
Jak

[ajr]

Maybe we can just "see the light", that neither of Lisa's parents were exactly the way we think they should have been. . Because of that ,Lisa has some issues. Hopefully, she will work them out. :)

To think she wasn't smart enough to see that things weren't right .....whether with the married MM & their girlfriends or Priscilla & her boyfriends would be pretty unrealistic .
To put it all together later, as an adult, was bound to cause some anger. Especially ,when she saw it all & knew that they still make money off him ,yet they were doing the same thing...or worse ....
It is time to walk to the light....open our eyes & see the truth .
Elvis was used by his "friends" even if he was the one that allowed it; that doesn't change a thing.

It's very interesting that so many profess to know what went on at Graceland that weren't even there .....:hmm:

[Merry]

Maybe we can just "see the light", that neither of Lisa's parents were exactly the way we think they should have been. . Because of that ,Lisa has some issues. Hopefully, she will work them out. :)

To think she wasn't smart enough to see that things weren't right .....whether with the married MM & their girlfriends or Priscilla & her boyfriends would be pretty unrealistic .
To put it all together later, as an adult, was bound to cause some anger. Especially ,when she saw it all & knew that they still make money off him ,yet they were doing the same thing...or worse ....
It is time to walk to the light....open our eyes & see the truth .
Elvis was used by his "friends" even if he was the one that allowed it; that doesn't change a thing.

It's very interesting that so many profess to know what went on at Graceland that weren't even there .....:hmm:


Good point re Graceland. Elvis was a good friend, as good as he could with what he had available to him at the time, a better friend than I would be, I'm sure. He was always too hard on himself, unnecessarily so. He was a good friend. Elvis had many employees, and he counted them as friends and treated them as family. He supported many families. How rare is it that, that employees are treated as family? How does one fire family? Nothing is cut and dry.

I feel Lisa knows that her father loves her to pieces, as she does him. You can see her love, it is obvious. Elvis only had her best interests at heart.

He did clean house, it would have been difficult, however. Please also remember that everyone was only in their early forties, and still all growing as people. (Some didn't, lol).

To be frank, most families have their issues.

Jess

[ajr]

Jess;

I believe Lisa knows the one person that loved her unconditionally, was her dad. Now, whether the best deciplinarian was her dad....obviously, he wasn't.;) It's pretty apparent Lisa was a brat, as she'll tell you herself.
But, to state Graceland "grew dark" & Lisa was "in danger" because she was there ...is pretty silly, IMO.

Was she in "less danger" living with her mothers boyfriends??
Was she in "less danger" when her mother arrived at Graceland on 8/17/77 & allowed her to be outside at 3AM riding her golfcart ....with thousands of fans mourning her dad ??

My children & I have had our "family discussions" & we agree; our family was/is dysfunctional....;) :P just like everyones . But, we love each other anyway & would die for each other.We are the product of our childhood .....we all bring excess baggage from that into any relationship.

I'm not sure 40 is the "magic age" to understanding ...;) but, it's a thought.
I accept Lisa & my own children just as they are .
Sometimes I don't like them & I'm sure they don't like me at times either.
But, we all did the best we knew how at the time.......:)
Peace .....

[jak]

Jess;

I believe Lisa knows the one person that loved her unconditionally, was her dad. Now, whether the best deciplinarian was her dad....obviously, he wasn't.;) It's pretty apparent Lisa was a brat, as she'll tell you herself.
But, to state Graceland "grew dark" & Lisa was "in danger" because she was there ...is pretty silly, IMO.

Was she in "less danger" living with her mothers boyfriends??
Was she in "less danger" when her mother arrived at Graceland on 8/17/77 & allowed her to be outside at 3AM riding her golfcart ....with thousands of fans mourning her dad ??

My children & I have had our "family discussions" & we agree; our family was/is dysfunctional....;) :P just like everyones . But, we love each other anyway & would die for each other.We are the product of our childhood .....we all bring excess baggage from that into any relationship.

I'm not sure 40 is the "magic age" to understanding ...;) but, it's a thought.
I accept Lisa & my own children just as they are .
Sometimes I don't like them & I'm sure they don't like me at times either.
But, we all did the best we knew how at the time.......:)
Peace .....

If you think Elvis' ever increasing drug use and worsening health didnt affect the mood at Graceland your naiveness is truly outstanding.How could that be a good situation for her?From all accounts her visits didnt even have the positive effect on Elvis they once did due to the fact he was out of it so much of the time.Elvis in that state could not have been a good influence on her.Maybe she was in danger.I dont know.Anybody willing to fire guns in their house on a semi regular basis surely could have been a threat to others.Is that rational behaviour?That Elvis sure was a rascal!If Elvis was wacked out thus letting the MM run wild corrupting Lisa,blame Elvis for letting it happen.It's just beyond belief that those guys even get the blame for Lisa's problems.Every time I put the microscope over Elvis I am bombarded with the "you werent there so how do you know" line.However when the MM or Priscilla is trashed it's ok and it must be true.How can you confirm your statements?You were not there.The hypocrisy in your posts undermine your credibility all the time.I dont want to start a huge long back and forth arguement again but you give Elvis the forgiving nod every time.Nothing sticks to him does it?
Jak

[ajr]

The thing is : you were not there, jak and neither was I.
To be on an Elvis site & persist to continuously run him down is inexcusable, IMO. You act as if no one here knows the problems Elvis was having, which is assumption on your part. We all know & acknowledge it. Now, is there a reason you like to go on harping on it??
You could go to an anti-Elvis site or to one that sings the praises of Priscilla or the MM. Yet you choose to be here .Why is that ??
The MM would love to have you take up for them.....but, I won't take up for them ,because they were just as guilty as Elvis ......but refuse to take the blame for anything .

You can go on arguing with others or trying to convince yourself, as far as I'm concerned .....call me "Lisa" ,because I can't stand any of them . Nor do I see any reason to "forgive or try to understand " them.
30 years later, they're still living off Elvis .

[jak]

The thing is : you were not there, jak and neither was I.
To be on an Elvis site & persist to continuously run him down is inexcusable, IMO. You act as if no one here knows the problems Elvis was having, which is assumption on your part. We all know & acknowledge it. Now, is there a reason you like to go on harping on it??
You could go to an anti-Elvis site or to one that sings the praises of Priscilla or the MM. Yet you choose to be here .Why is that ??
The MM would love to have you take up for them.....but, I won't take up for them ,because they were just as guilty as Elvis ......but refuse to take the blame for anything .

You can go on arguing with others or trying to convince yourself, as far as I'm concerned .....call me "Lisa" ,because I can't stand any of them . Nor do I see any reason to "forgive or try to understand " them.
30 years later, they're still living off Elvis .

Lisa
Why does speaking the truth have to bring up such hostility?What's the point in glossing over everything?Quit harping on Priscilla and the MM.Once again it's hypocritical.I prefer a level playing field.It's obvious you find the reality of Elvis' personal life distressing.I for one can take the truth.I may not like it,but im not gonna hide from it like others do.If the moderator's here feel that I am just an Elvis basher as you say then they can delete my account.Personally I feel my posts convey a balanced viewpoint on Elvis' life rather than the typical "Elvis was just so hansdome" stuff.Im guessing that's all you want to hear.
Jak

[meg]

AJR The thing is : you were not there, jak and neither was I.
To be on an Elvis site & persist to continuously run him down is inexcusable, IMO. You act as if no one here knows the problems Elvis was having, which is assumption on your part. We all know & acknowledge it. Now, is there a reason you like to go on harping on it??
You could go to an anti-Elvis site or to one that sings the praises of Priscilla or the MM. Yet you choose to be here .Why is that ??


You?r right(y) Jak loves Priscilla and Elvis is a devil in his eyes:cursing:

[jak]

You?r right(y) Jak loves Priscilla and Elvis is a devil in his eyes:cursing:

Just because I have a Priscilla room doesnt mean I love her:angry:

[Merry]

Lisa
Why does speaking the truth have to bring up such hostility?What's the point in glossing over everything?Quit harping on Priscilla and the MM.Once again it's hypocritical.I prefer a level playing field.It's obvious you find the reality of Elvis' personal life distressing.I for one can take the truth.I may not like it,but im not gonna hide from it like others do.If the moderator's here feel that I am just an Elvis basher as you say then they can delete my account.Personally I feel my posts convey a balanced viewpoint on Elvis' life rather than the typical "Elvis was just so hansdome" stuff.Im guessing that's all you want to hear.
Jak



Jak,

You've given your opinion every which way, so have all of we.

How about we just drop it and talk about something that we CAN talk about, rather than the same thing, over and over? I gather from what you've said, you don't want to fight, well neither do I, nor do I want to read it, I find it distressing.

So please, let's all just drop it and respect everyone.

Kind wishes,
Jess

[Donut]

Just because I have a Priscilla room doesnt mean I love her:angry:

Oh jak! don?t tell me you have a Priscilla room... :lol:

[Merry]

Oh jak! don?t tell me you have a Priscilla room... :lol:



I have a tack room full of saddles, rugs, horse gear, is that helpful? lol

Jess

[jak]

Oh jak! don?t tell me you have a Priscilla room... :lol:

It's just a small one!My prized posession is an empty tube of lip gloss she discarded.

[ajr]

Lisa
Why does speaking the truth have to bring up such hostility?What's the point in glossing over everything?Quit harping on Priscilla and the MM.Once again it's hypocritical.I prefer a level playing field.It's obvious you find the reality of Elvis' personal life distressing.I for one can take the truth.I may not like it,but im not gonna hide from it like others do.If the moderator's here feel that I am just an Elvis basher as you say then they can delete my account.Personally I feel my posts convey a balanced viewpoint on Elvis' life rather than the typical "Elvis was just so hansdome" stuff.Im guessing that's all you want to hear. Jak

I for one don't frequent sites that go & on how wonderful or handsome Elvis was.I belong to one & seldom post.
I face reality ....Elvis would be 72 years old, he's not 42 anymore. Now why that bothers you that some fans like to do that, I can only guess. Maybe you're jealous of his looks & the acceptance of his fans ?? :P
The "MM truths have been heard & acknowledged." So what ??

As to a "balanced viewpoint" , that's debateable. :blink:
Your point is always what you think Elvis did wrong. We know what been said he did wrong.....we do not need you or anyone else pointing it out . Most of us have read the same stuff.

The MM & Priscilla are quite alive & can take up for themselves , as well as live off him. Elvis cannot speak for himself ; as I'm sure you & the MM must be greatful that he can't. ;)

As I've said "this is an Elvis site NOT a Priscilla or MM site.

[ajr]

Jak,

You've given your opinion every which way, so have all of we.

How about we just drop it and talk about something that we CAN talk about, rather than the same thing, over and over? I gather from what you've said, you don't want to fight, well neither do I, nor do I want to read it, I find it distressing.

So please, let's all just drop it and respect everyone.

Kind wishes,
Jess

Sorry, Jess .....
It's ended for me.....let's talk about something nice ??
Lead on, girl......;)

[jak]

Your point is always what you think Elvis did wrong. We know what been said he did wrong.....we do not need you or anyone else pointing it out .

Lisa
You misunderstand my point.I try point out why certain things happened the way they did.I cant help it if the "why" isnt pleasant.I thought some things needed pointing out because the blame appeared to be landing on everyone but Elvis.I was guessing that was because the facts were not well known.
Now excuse me.I must go check the climate control in my Priscilla room.I fear it's a tad to warm.My last remnants of lip gloss could possibly be in danger of melting.

Jak-diehard elvis fan

[Merry]

Sorry, Jess .....
It's ended for me.....let's talk about something nice ??
Lead on, girl......;)



How to Handle a husband


A couple was celebrating their golden wedding anniversary on the beaches in Montego Bay, Jamaica.

Their domestic tranquility had long been the talk of the town. People would say,

"What a peaceful & loving couple".



The local newspaper reporter was inquiring as to the secret of their long and happy marriage. The Husband replied: "Well, it dates back to our honeymoon in America," explained the man. "We visited the Grand Canyon, in Arizona, and took a trip down to the bottom of the canyon, by horse. We hadn't gone too far when my wife's horse stumbled and she almost fell off.



My wife looked down at the horse and quietly said,

"That's once." "We proceeded a little further her and horse stumbled again. Once more my wife quietly said, "That's twice."

"We hadn't gone a half-mile when the horse stumbled for the third time. My wife quietly removed a revolver from her purse and shot the horse dead.


I SHOUTED at her, "What's wrong with you, Woman! Why did you shoot the poor animal like that Are you friggin crazy!?



She looked at ME, and quietly said, "That's once." "And from that moment.....we have lived happily every after."



Oh heck aj, it is late, I tried the best I could, lol

Jess

[ajr]

How to Handle a husband


A couple was celebrating their golden wedding anniversary on the beaches in Montego Bay, Jamaica.

Their domestic tranquility had long been the talk of the town. People would say,

"What a peaceful & loving couple".



The local newspaper reporter was inquiring as to the secret of their long and happy marriage. The Husband replied: "Well, it dates back to our honeymoon in America," explained the man. "We visited the Grand Canyon, in Arizona, and took a trip down to the bottom of the canyon, by horse. We hadn't gone too far when my wife's horse stumbled and she almost fell off.



My wife looked down at the horse and quietly said,

"That's once." "We proceeded a little further her and horse stumbled again. Once more my wife quietly said, "That's twice."

"We hadn't gone a half-mile when the horse stumbled for the third time. My wife quietly removed a revolver from her purse and shot the horse dead.


I SHOUTED at her, "What's wrong with you, Woman! Why did you shoot the poor animal like that Are you friggin crazy!?



She looked at ME, and quietly said, "That's once." "And from that moment.....we have lived happily every after."



Oh heck aj, it is late, I tried the best I could, lol

Jess

:lol: (y) ;) :lmfao:
Sweet dreams Jess .....:hug:

[4THEHEART]

who could tell that Elvis lived"HIS"life the wrong way and he should have lived it different..what's that?..there's no other "Elvis life" or likeness to it,so we can't guess how easy or difficult it was to be him..In my opinion,he did the best as a human being, best than any other person could have with all the restrain and responsibility such a life could load on one's shoulders..and I'm not intend to try to get to know his behaviour at home according to those MM type's stories..no they didn't share his insight,no they do not know him as much as they think..ha ha !!none of them was at his spiritual level..sorry that sounds cruel but, I have to say.. there's another Elvis behind that playfull boy,but the "image Elvis", was the only side of him, those MM's wanted to share, cause they hated to see his other interests,concerns,needs,thoughts..so was his wife unfortunately..so Elvis gave them the Elvis,that they wish to be around, as much as possible..this means "giving",which was one of his best qualities..but in return,what did he take..even the routine jobs(duties) of those men, are now told us,as very big sacrifice..Lisa was loved by her father more than anyone, and her fond memories of her home,Graceland was built by Elvis,not even her mom or those da mn "unhappy"guys..this man had an enourmous capacity of loving and giving and yeah, that could be the mistake of his life that some people always deeply searching to find..how many celebs you all know that would share his/her home and life wth so many others..no one do this, yet they are served to maximum without giving of their lives as much as Elvis did..funny but, no one dare to judge them as they did Elvis..it's obvious Elvis is still not understood and deserved in our planet..what a shame..

[Diane]

4THEHEART (y)

Diane

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I don't know any of the MM, I don't know LMP or Priscilla, I didn't know Elvis...........

I don't understand the motives of these people now or back then.........

I can extrapolate from information that has been given to me by all of the above (Except Elvis).

The above people have an emotional loyalty to Elvis, however this has both positive and negative connotations.

I can empathise with how LMP feels, her father is either lorded or loathed! It must be emotionally destructive over many years to be torn by how people feel they can dismantle your father and expect you not to be emotionally involved!

People seem to think LMP has had an easy life simply because she has come from a financially sound upbringing, news alert folks this does little to help emotionally.

I do however accept that "Manners Maketh Man", perhaps LMP should consider her privileged background and how that came about and be more civil.

[Diane]

Matt (y)

Lisa is caught up in a lifetime habit that should not have been allowed to grow in the first place.

She is a little better these days but she still needs help with a good course of anger management in order for her to be able to handle all that surrounds her and finally have peace in her life.

Diane

[ajr]

Matt (y)

Lisa is caught up in a lifetime habit that should not have been allowed to grow in the first place.

She is a little better these days but she still needs help with a good course of anger management in order for her to be able to handle all that surrounds her and finally have peace in her life.

Diane

I totally agree . (y)
You can take up for yourself without being rude.

[Merry]

who could tell that Elvis lived"HIS"life the wrong way and he should have lived it different..what's that?..there's no other "Elvis life" or likeness to it,so we can't guess how easy or difficult it was to be him..In my opinion,he did the best as a human being, best than any other person could have with all the restrain and responsibility such a life could load on one's shoulders..and I'm not intend to try to get to know his behaviour at home according to those MM type's stories..no they didn't share his insight,no they do not know him as much as they think..ha ha !!none of them was at his spiritual level..sorry that sounds cruel but, I have to say.. there's another Elvis behind that playfull boy,but the "image Elvis", was the only side of him, those MM's wanted to share, cause they hated to see his other interests,concerns,needs,thoughts..so was his wife unfortunately..so Elvis gave them the Elvis,that they wish to be around, as much as possible..this means "giving",which was one of his best qualities..but in return,what did he take..even the routine jobs(duties) of those men, are now told us,as very big sacrifice..Lisa was loved by her father more than anyone, and her fond memories of her home,Graceland was built by Elvis,not even her mom or those da mn "unhappy"guys..this man had an enourmous capacity of loving and giving and yeah, that could be the mistake of his life that some people always deeply searching to find..how many celebs you all know that would share his/her home and life wth so many others..no one do this, yet they are served to maximum without giving of their lives as much as Elvis did..funny but, no one dare to judge them as they did Elvis..it's obvious Elvis is still not understood and deserved in our planet..what a shame..




Beautifully said, insightful, and full of love.

Thank you so much 4TheHeart, I hope this thread is left as is, your statement being the final say.

Kind wishes,
Jess

[MIElvis]

I never had much use for Lisa other than the fact that she was the child of a man I admired very much. That being said I really don't give a hoot about her.

[joanne]

Once again this was a nice peaceful thread until Jak started attacking Elvis again.
According to him Elvis should have been reported to social services as an unfit parent.
Priscilla was the unfit parent as she was that busy shagging her karate instructor to know what was going on with her daughter.
This is the woman who left Lisa Marie outside a shop on her own while she stayed inside for about half an hour and that happened in the seventies with photos to prove it.
It caused uproar at the time as she could have been kidnapped.
Priscilla is apparently at odds with lisa at the moment because of lisas comments about her early sex life as a teen.
the reason shes bothered is because it makes her look bad as a mother and proves that she wasnt looking out for her.
at least when she was a graceland she was always supervised and wasnt in any danger.
most importantly she knew she was loved and was shown warmth and affection which is something I`ve never seen priscilla show her.
go on jak defend plastic pris.

[Diane]

Ah Joanne, my sentiments exactly.(y)

[Merry]

Once again this was a nice peaceful thread until Jak started attacking Elvis again.
.

My sentiments, too.

[ajr]

He just can't seem to help himself......:)

I know there's a psychological explanation for that. To put down something or someone you profess to love .....:hmm:
Psych.101 was too long ago ....

[ajr]

We hurt the one we love for several reasons:
1) Unconscious re-creation of emotional trauma - We all experience various degrees of emotional hurt and trauma growing up. Unfortunately, we form part of our identities around whatever we experience, be it love, distance, drama, or verbal or physical abuse. As adults, we may feel most alive or most like ourselves when we are feeling the same way we did as children, and so we may do things unconsciously to get others to trigger those feelings. For example, a person who grew up with a lot of distance may feel uncomfortable with closeness, and may sabotage it by picking fights or avoiding intimacy. Or a person who grew up in a chaotic, dramatic home may be uncomfortable with harmony and quiet and always seem to trigger chaos or drama in his/her relationships.

2) We lack the knowledge and skills of how to communicate our feelings constructively -

[Diane]

Yup, this thread has gone from understanding Lisa to understanding Jak.:D

Let's all give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Even though we don't like what someone else has to say, none of us really know what is going on inside each of us. I for one don't want to add to pain that someone else may be carrying.

Diane

[KPM]

Its funny once again a thread somehow slides into how bad or good Elvis was? We don't have to have Elvis's faults regurgatated at every stop to know he had them. We also don't need to be told the, opinion, that certain people were somehow blameless, faultless or better motivated in life- to know they very possible were not.
How many of you have seen the movie "12 Angry Men"?
SPOILER-11 men had it wrong-1 ended up being right. Each thought they had figured out the truth(or were swayed by some inner grudge or bigotry which twisted their opinion and thinking) one guy saw it for what it was. Point is they all saw the same evidence-thought they understood it and still missed the truth all but the one guy.
I will say this Elvis's voice and chrisma are what made me a fan. If the MM had not been in his circle IMO we would not know their names. The sole reason we are discussing them in any form is Elvis. IMO They are not to blame for the fall of Elvis but nor are they blameless. Elvis was the master of his ship but every ship needs a good crew. Could Elvis have been a better captain yes. Could he have had a more loyal crew yes.
Another good film is
"The Caine Mutiny." SPOILER -at the end a lawyer (who has just helped bring down a Captain of a ship) tells the officers under the captains command if you had helped when he needed it- it may have been a different story. Possible.

[Diane]

(y) (y) (y)

[elvislina]

I know cilla and lisa had few problems in their life too. but i think its like that when you are a teenager. but i sure think she had a hard time when elvis died too. i think elvis was a better parent somehow too because he seems to be more like lisa and understand her. but as a boy have learn me. dont believe in everything you hear or read. and even those paparazzi is lying out about all kind of stuff. i think lisa had troubles with cilla. but i dont still hate her. but lisa and cilla has exactly the same problems as me and my big sis has. me and my bbig sis has always had troubles too. so i think i know what lisa been through too. but i will never follow lisa haters too

[Diane]

Hate is a strong word. I never hated Priscilla, I just can't respect her for the way she got where she is.

[elvislina]

Hate is a strong word. I never hated Priscilla, I just can't respect her for the way she got where she is.


I agree. hate really is a big word. but we have to remember i think it was hard for her to not be famous and become one later. its not easy too elvis was a good looking man and each women would fall for him. its hard to not say no to him. we have to remember every human being do horrible mistakes in life and knowone is perfect. not either of us here either. we do things some isnt good. but we regret it inside.

[KPM]

Lisa is a product of environment, upbringing, and family genes, just like we all are and her behavoir (good or bad) has its roots in all three.
We are not all perfect people-we are not all clones who have exactly the same testtube beginning-and share exactly the same paths to adulthood with exactly the same tools to work with........but she has lived her life from 2-1-68 in a bubble-with flashcubes popping and detailed public accounts of her every move-IMO cut her some slack.......try to be understanding of territory none of us can imagine-let alone judge.

[Diane]

Lisa is a product of environment, upbringing, and family genes, just like we all are and her behavoir (good or bad) has its roots in all three.
We are not all perfect people-we are not all clones who have exactly the same testtube beginning-and share exactly the same paths to adulthood with exactly the same tools to work with........but she has lived her life from 2-1-68 in a bubble-with flashcubes popping and detailed public accounts of her every move-IMO cut her some slack.......try to be understanding of territory none of us can imagine-let alone judge.

I totally agree with you but I wish people would give her more credit. Her life wasn't easy and she has calmed down quite a lot in the last few years.She seems very happy with Michael and the twin...could that be the reason?

[KPM]

I totally agree with you but I wish people would give her more credit. Her life wasn't easy and she has calmed down quite a lot in the last few years.She seems very happy with Michael and the twin...could that be the reason?
Yes I think you have a good point-happiness and maturity sometimes go hand and hand.

[King Of The Whole World]

I totally agree with you but I wish people would give her more credit. Her life wasn't easy and she has calmed down quite a lot in the last few years.She seems very happy with Michael and the twin...could that be the reason?

I agree, she has a lot of good things in her life but it hasn't been all roses.

[debtdbruno]

I'm sure there's a lot of 'celebrity' kids who go off the deep end temporarily......too much time, money, and notoriety

[elvia7]

I totally agree with you but I wish people would give her more credit. Her life wasn't easy and she has calmed down quite a lot in the last few years.She seems very happy with Michael and the twin...could that be the reason?


I recently watch her ​​life. I like to think you're right Dee . Maybe Lisa finally found the dream life?

All the best LISA! You are our daughter ELVIS!
:notworthy

[alabama_sun]

It's true Lisa has had a tough and wild past, but I'm sure she isn't the only one and I was very happy to hear she's doing so well now and she's moved on from all the bad she had in her past, even though it has taken lots from her and must have been very difficult, but she's made it and I admire her for that. All who loves her are so proud of her. She's a lovely person once she opens the curtain as she has done now and I also love her new album. It shows how matured she is in every way now. I wish all the best for Lisa and her family :sun:

[J.P]

It's true Lisa has had a tough and wild past, but I'm sure she isn't the only one and I was very happy to hear she's doing so well now and she's moved on from all the bad she had in her past, even though it has taken lots from her and must have been very difficult, but she's made it and I admire her for that. All who loves her are so proud of her. She's a lovely person once she opens the curtain as she has done now and I also love her new album. It shows how matured she is in every way now. I wish all the best for Lisa and her family :sun:

you'r right Steffie. it can't be easy to be born under the public eye and having evrybody watching and criticizing her evry move esp when she didn't have much support in her teens. fortunately now things are much better for her (y)