Should the graves be relocated ?

[thekingstillrocks]

Should the graves be relocated to the original burial place?
Since Graceland becomes a "Disneyland place" annex Museum, shouldn't it be more appropriate to have a place where Elvis and his family have a more respectful place.
Now Elvis grave becomes a Disney tourist attraction.
EP fans have respect but, to many tourists its, Hey heck , Memphis, let?s go and check out GRACELAND (That?s what EPE has in mind)
Where is the true peace?


What do you think ?

[elvisfan4ever]

:hmm: hard to say ur right but.... i believe they wont relocate the graves.. they should stay where they are-its a peacefull place meditation g.... .my opinion(y) anyways..i wish the grave never existed and that elvis was still with us alive ..he left us way too soon:'( :king:

[KPM]

I don't know -the graves of Elvis and his mom have already been moved once.
If the home was never opened to the public and they were buried there- maybe it would bother me, but since it has been for years and it has progressively been expanded into a bigger tour I'm not sure how I feel. On one hand its already been turned into "an attraction" but a Disney type atmosphere might take away the "home of Elvis" idea and feeling.

[srj1967]

The graves should be left where they are. Elvis and his mother were already disturbed once, and that is enough.

Besides, if they were moved back to the original cemetery, then the amount of fans wanting to see Elvis' grave would destroy the peace and quiet, and then think how the families of others buried there would feel having to fight the crowds each time.

The way Graceland does it now is fine, and there is no need to change anything ...

[thehillbillycat]

I don't think they should be moved. Yes, even though Graceland has been become a Disneyland type place. The reasons is many why they shouldn't be move. One is that there will be some a**hole will do things on the headstone that shouldn't be done. Next, they will try to steal the body again.

The graves should be left alone at Graceland.

[Tommy]

The family was afraid to leave Elvis at the first burial place, because of someone trying to steal his remains.

[0349054]

The fan fare, media coverage as well as getting through the concrete above Elvis's coffin, makes it highly unlikely his grave will ever be moved.

As for it being a tourist attraction - Vernon left the general public in to see the corpse, im not commenting either way on it, but Elvis has been an 'exhibit' since he died, it's not going to stop anytime soon.

[Tony Trout]

The family was afraid to leave Elvis at the first burial place, because of someone trying to steal his remains.


And on the night of August 29, 1977 that is what almost happened when Ronnie Lee Adkins (now "Ron Tyler"), Bruce Nelson, Raymond Green & Gary Oscar Travis were arrested in connection with the attempt to steal Elvis's body from his crypt at Forest Hill Cemetery Midtown mausoleum.

They were charged with trespass. They couldn't be charged with attempting to break into a grave or grave robbing because they were frightened away before they actually tried to do anything.

I heard from Ron Tyler himself (via a conversation on AIM that I had with him regarding the bodysnatching attempt) that the whole thing was a 'setup' by Vernon and he to make sure that Memphis city officials approved the relocating (and not reburial) of Elvis and Gladys back to Graceland.




The fan fare, media coverage as well as getting through the concrete above Elvis's coffin, makes it highly unlikely his grave will ever be moved.


Add to that the fact that you'd have to have very heavy machinery to even break through the tons of concrete that seal the crypts...

[Polk-Salad-Annie]

The graves should be left where they are.
Elvis and his mother were already disturbed once, and that is enough.

Amen to that.
They should stay at Graceland and not be moved again.

[cprimm]

No way should those graves be disturbed. EPE should move the "Disney" away from Graceland. I personally do not think it is "Disney" at the present time.

[hounddog]

Leave them be.

[riley]

He rests in peace in Graceland soil. His beloved home.
I don't think people who have passed away are disturbed by people here on earth.

I mean they have eternal peace where they are no matter that fans and tourists come to visit their graves by bunches.

Remember dying is leaving your earthly corps and the spirit is wherever he wants to be IMO

[Diane]

He's at Graceland where his heart was and should be left there........Diane

[ajr]

It wasn't "done right " the first or second time ....why would moving the graves a third time help?
Just leave them alone. Graceland {the house} has been made an historical monument . They're best left there than trying to move them, IMO.

[Donut]

What for ?

[Jungleroom76]

Regardless of whether the body snatching plot was real or a set-up (and I've heard convincing stories supporting both theories), the fact remains that Elvis and his mother have been laid to rest at Graceland for almost 30 years now and millions of fans have filed through the gates to pay their respects to them both...why change that now? :hmm:

I'm sure if he could tell us, Elvis would say that he is humbled by all of the fans that make the journey just to spend a few quiet moments reflecting on his life and legacy...

TCB!
Mike

[elvislady]

The graves should be left where they are. Elvis and his mother were already disturbed once, and that is enough.

Besides, if they were moved back to the original cemetery, then the amount of fans wanting to see Elvis' grave would destroy the peace and quiet, and then think how the families of others buried there would feel having to fight the crowds each time.

The way Graceland does it now is fine, and there is no need to change anything ...

I agree.(y)
elvislady

[elvis himselvis]

They shouldn't be removed
he loved Graceland and isn't it great for him to be there forever?
and i think he lays down in peace,because all the people who are standing for his grave are quiet and don't speak loud

[ajr]

As for it being a tourist attraction - Vernon left the general public in to see the corpse, im not commenting either way on it, but Elvis has been an 'exhibit' since he died, it's not going to stop anytime soon.

I disagreed with a lot of things Vernon did about the funeral & moving bodies. As did Elvis. ;) But, it's a moot point 30 years later.

Lisa owns Graceland not EPE anymore. It's up to her what she does with it.
I don't think she'll allow it to be turned into Disneyland on her property ; but all around it....who knows??
As some has pointed out here . Graceland is in a bad neighborhood now. It might help to return it to where one can walk in safety .

And, Tony's right ...there was a fake "body snatching", all done with Vernon Presley's permission..

There is no charge to walk up to Meditation Garden. There are just certain hours one can do that . All nice & legal. It has to be that way.....

[elvis himselvis]

I have heard about the body snatching too and I heard also that it was set-up by Vernon...he really wanted to have his son and wife at Graceland

[john carpenter]

I agree with all the post,especially the one with they've been moved once,that's enough. Look how Jim Morrisons grave is desecrated (grafitti) And In the 30 years since they were moved thier graces have been respected. If they were moved back to forest hill, just as many fans would visit his grave, and certain nutcases would try to take a souviner from it..like take chips from it . much like James deans' gravestone. Let the presley rest once and for all,leave them at Graceland.

[cameron]

I think they should be left where they are now.

[TotallyInsane]

Compared to what Graceland and the area used to be - it is already a "disney" atmosphere.

[Wendy56]

Only Elvis, and his family buried there, could tell what they prefer... And I think people respect the place. Not only the tourists visit Graceland, but many Elvis FANS from around the world. They respect the ground they step on when are inside Graceland. Don't think about it like the "second Disney"... No comparition at all.

[utmom2008]

Compared to what Graceland and the area used to be - it is already a "disney" atmosphere.
Good point Gail. It's a long way from the way it looked the first time I was there in 1969.

[Lisarose]

I haven't been to Graceland since 2000. It was certainly very touristy, but when we walked through the Meditation Garden, people were quiet & respectful. It seemed to be that way during the 30th anniversary Candlelight as well.

The graves should be left alone, they've been moved once, and they are fairly safe where they are.

[elvis himselvis]

Add to that the fact that you'd have to have very heavy machinery to even break through the tons of concrete that seal the crypts...[/QUOTE]


As I understand it right,is there no earth under the tombstone but steal?

[elvisia]

Well, I know it`s not only Elvis laying there, but Elvis loved Graceland, he always wanted people around him, he loved the concerts with a big crowd.....that prevented him from feeling lonely, further more.....the meditation garden is beeing watched 24 hours a day, which I think is a good thing, so I guess he is at the right place.....yes(y)

[Tony Trout]

As I understand it right,is there no earth under the tombstone but steal?

Taken from "The Elvis Conspiracy?" by Dick Grob (yes, I know he's not a valuable source of information but it's the best I can do):



"To this end, a special vault was obtained to contain the coffin. This vault was made of extra heavy concrete, reinforced with steel. It had a sixteen-ounce copper sheet lining. Then came a stentex lining. Stentex is a petroleum by-product and had the lasting ability of steel. The vault itself was eight-six inches long, thirty inches wide and over two inches thick.

Once the coffin was placed inside, the strentex lining was sealed with a lid of strentex. Next the copper lining was sealed and fused to the top of the vault making the entire concrete vault one unit similar to the coffin once it was sealed. The entire unit weighed over 2,700 pounds.

Once the vault was sealed, several hundred pounds of earth were placed on top of the lid. On top of the earth a sunrise pink granite slab measuring forty inches by eighty inches and six inches high was placed. This granite slab weighed over two thousand pounds. Then a bronze ledger measuring thirty two inches by seventy-two inches and weighing over four hundred pounds was placed on top of the granite base."

In a nutshell...there's no way (without some very heavy equipment) that Elvis's grave will ever be broken into or the graves moved.

(Each grave is constructed in nearly the exact same way).

[Suzan]

Thanks Tony...
I've read at the time the grave was moved, a very similar acct. of the underground tomb and they also stated that there was state of the art security system in place as well, around the coffin (well state of art for that time).

I think they should remain where they are...I think once Vernon moved them that was it...I do often wonder though why he did not have him laid to rest further from the home, made a private cemetary somewhere away from the house on the 13 acres....makes me wonder if the house was ever intended for Lisa to live in by him doing that?

[ksimms2]

Graves need to stay where they are. Fans who go there respect it - nobody desecrates it. When you approach the meditation gardens it's very quiet, serene. Some folks pray there for Elvis - some kneel and pay their respects - some cry. Nobody will harm that area.

[LORRIELOVESELVIS]

NO NO NO !!!! LET HIM REST IN PEACE AT HIS SWEET HOME GRACELAND...............LOL ..

[Unchained Melody]

Absolutley not!

They're already been moved once. Let's not disturb them again.

[Tony Trout]

Thanks Tony...
I've read at the time the grave was moved, a very similar acct. of the underground tomb and they also stated that there was state of the art security system in place as well, around the coffin (well state of art for that time).

I think they should remain where they are...I think once Vernon moved them that was it...I do often wonder though why he did not have him laid to rest further from the home, made a private cemetary somewhere away from the house on the 13 acres....makes me wonder if the house was ever intended for Lisa to live in by him doing that?


According to Dick Grob (yes, I do know he's not a very reliable source for information), it apparently had been Vernon's desire all along to move Elvis and Gladys back to Graceland because of all the overzealous fans who he feared would desecrate the tombs at Forest Hill Midtown Cemetery.

The one thing that confuses me so much is the alleged body-snatching attempt on August 29, 1977 by Ron Tyler (Ronnie Lee Adkins) and three other men. Did it really happen or was it a setup to get the Memphis city officials to act faster on Vernon's request to move the bodies because there hadn't been a proper permit (at that time) filed to move the bodies to Graceland?

[Suzan]

According to Dick Grob (yes, I do know he's not a very reliable source for information), it apparently had been Vernon's desire all along to move Elvis and Gladys back to Graceland because of all the overzealous fans who he feared would desecrate the tombs at Forest Hill Midtown Cemetery.

The one thing that confuses me so much is the alleged body-snatching attempt on August 29, 1977 by Ron Tyler (Ronnie Lee Adkins) and three other men. Did it really happen or was it a setup to get the Memphis city officials to act faster on Vernon's request to move the bodies because there hadn't been a proper permit (at that time) filed to move the bodies to Graceland?


He's not any less reliable then some around Elvis.

I to am and was confused by this as well....it just sounded so out there and it would not surprise me if Vernon had set it all up...and he did have to get a special permit to have them buried at Graceland and perhaps did not want to wait or chance the permit being denied, who knows...but if it is true I think it's rather a low thing for Vernon to have done.

[Tony Trout]

He's not any less reliable then some around Elvis.

I to am and was confused by this as well....it just sounded so out there and it would not surprise me if Vernon had set it all up...and he did have to get a special permit to have them buried at Graceland and perhaps did not want to wait or chance the permit being denied, who knows...but if it is true I think it's rather a low thing for Vernon to have done.


I very much agree that what Vernon did (if he did, in fact, set it up) was a pretty low and sneaky thing to do. (n)

I chatted with Ronnie Lee Adkins/Ron "Bear" Tyler a long time ago on AIM and asked him questions 'bout the attempted bodysnatching...he admitted to me that it was all set in motion by Vernon and that he (Adkins) and three others carried out the operation so....who knows what to believe?

[Suzan]

I very much agree that what Vernon did (if he did, in fact, set it up) was a pretty low and sneaky thing to do. (n)

I chatted with Ronnie Lee Adkins/Ron "Bear" Tyler a long time ago on AIM and asked him questions 'bout the attempted bodysnatching...he admitted to me that it was all set in motion by Vernon and that he (Adkins) and three others carried out the operation so....who knows what to believe?

I have to ask why someone would make that up (about Vernon) if it is not true? I mean the guy already admits to trying to (or attempting to) take Elvis' body...
I kind of tend to believe him because it just seems odd how they were "found" you know?
Very low indeed if true...makes me wonder why in the world Vernon would think of something so horrific?

[Tony Trout]

I have to ask why someone would make that up (about Vernon) if it is not true? I mean the guy already admits to trying to (or attempting to) take Elvis' body...
I kind of tend to believe him because it just seems odd how they were "found" you know?
Very low indeed if true...makes me wonder why in the world Vernon would think of something so horrific?


I've read in some places that they were meant to be found by the cops so that Vernon could make a legitimate complaint about a bodysnatching so that Elvis and Gladys could be moved.

[LianaKaralivanou]

I have to agree with most of you, guys! The graves must not be removed again. The Graceland area is the most appropriate place for the graves of the Presley family.

[presley31]

I've read in some places that they were meant to be found by the cops so that Vernon could make a legitimate complaint about a bodysnatching so that Elvis and Gladys could be moved.

Tony l was reading what the MM said about this and they didn't say anything about vernon except vernon applied for a variation in the zoning regualtions so glady and elvis would be safe.

[Suzan]

I've read in some places that they were meant to be found by the cops so that Vernon could make a legitimate complaint about a bodysnatching so that Elvis and Gladys could be moved.

Exactly Tony, that is what I mean....it just seemed set up...because to me if someone truly wanted to kidnap his remains and hold it for a million dollar ransom they would have made better plans, know what I mean?

I don't know, I think in the long run it is a fitting final resting place for them, but on the other, perhaps someplace else on the grounds would have been better, more private, less proximity to the home (should Lisa have wanted one day to live there).

[Tony Trout]

Exactly Tony, that is what I mean....it just seemed set up...because to me if someone truly wanted to kidnap his remains and hold it for a million dollar ransom they would have made better plans, know what I mean?

Yep, I know exactly what ya mean.



I don't know, I think in the long run it is a fitting final resting place for them, but on the other, perhaps someplace else on the grounds would have been better, more private, less proximity to the home (should Lisa have wanted one day to live there).

True...but where could they have buried him that could be more private?

[Suzan]

Yep, I know exactly what ya mean.

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say.:D :notworthy


True...but where could they have buried him that could be more private?

Imo...I think more toward the back of the property....back and left....

[rickb]

for security and tourism reasons the graves will need to stay where they are
rick

[Wendy56]

for security and tourism reasons the graves will need to stay where they are
Good point... :hmm:

[cameron]

Tony l was reading what the MM said about this and they didn't say anything about vernon except vernon applied for a variation in the zoning regualtions so glady and elvis would be safe.

Jen, I have Ronnie Lee Adkins on tape saying that it's true about the "body snatching' . I won't show it right now because he's in a documentary coming out. I leave it to them to tell it.
IMO, the graves should be left alone now.

[presley31]

Ok cameron thanks for the infor

here's some information l came accoss on the internet, not sure how true it is though?

ELVIS PRESLEY - PRESLEY'S FATHER PLOTTED BODYSNATCH CONTROVERSY


ELVIS PRESLEY's father was the man who secretly plotted to snatch The King's dead body from his mausoleum resting place - to convince Memphis, Tennessee officials that the rocker should be buried at his Graceland home. The bodysnatching incident stunned Elvis fans just a week after he was buried at Forest Hill Midtown Cemetery in 1977, and now one of the grave robbers is speaking out about the plot in a new film. In THE TRUTH ABOUT ELVIS, RONNIE LEE ADKINS insists he met with Presley's father VERNON in a parking lot to arrange the theft of the King's body. He says, "He asked me if there was anything that might be able to be done to get Elvis moved from Forest Hills Cemetery. "I said, 'The best thing to do is put him in a mausoleum, where it's easier to get to, it's inside work and that way we won't be seen.'" Former FBI secret agent IC SMITH backs up Adkins' claim in new documentary, adding, "The Presley family had gone to the Memphis City Council and asked for permission to bury Elvis at Graceland and there was no provision for burying people in one's yard." Presley now lies at rest alongside his mother, grandmother and father at Graceland, where his grave is visited by millions of fans every year.


Source: http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/presleys%20father%20plotted%20bodysnatch%20controv ersy_1005495

[Jungleroom76]

Well THAT is certainly interesting...ESPECIALLY if it turns out to be true!! :hmm:

I have a hard time believing that Vernon could have come up with something like this though. I'm not sure if Vernon really was wise enough to come up with a plan like this... :hmm:

And as for relocating the graves, there is NO way that it will happen!! Besides the whole tourism thing, there is such a safety factor in moving the graves. If a grave robbery attempt was made once, you can bet it would happen again if the bodies were moved!

TCB!
Mike

[utmom2008]

Well THAT is certainly interesting...ESPECIALLY if it turns out to be true!! :hmm:

I have a hard time believing that Vernon could have come up with something like this though. I'm not sure if Vernon really was wise enough to come up with a plan like this... :hmm:

I was thinking the same thing Mike....I'm glad you said it first!:supriced::lol::notworthy

[cameron]

Yes, that's the story, Jen.

In some ways I can't blame Vernon. Vernon bought the crypt so Elvis and Gladys could be safe. I guess he just took it one step farther .
We never know what we might do if we were in his position.
I gave up long ago trying to figure out why people do the things they do.
I know Vernon wasn't happy because people had taken pieces off of Gladys tombstone , Maybe he just wanted them both "home" to watch over them. :'(

[Jungleroom76]

[/b]

I was thinking the same thing Mike....I'm glad you said it first!:supriced::lol::notworthy

Well, it's been reported many times that Vernon only had an 8th grade education (I believe it was 8th grade...I could be wrong, but I know he didn't finish school) :hmm:

And even though he handled Elvis' money, I can't believe that Vernon didn't do more to talk Elvis out of some of the more foolish things he did in his later years...like sell his entire RCA backcatalog in 1973, or sign the last contracts with The Colonel for a 50/50 split! I realize once Elvis had set his mind to something, he was going to do it...but still, if Vernon had been more business savvy, he probably would have realized the ridiculous nature of Elvis forfeiting all his future royalties on his backcatalog for just under 6 million dollars! :'(

So based on just those assessments alone, I can't believe that Vernon was really capable of sitting down and putting together such a devious plot just to get the graves relocated back to Graceland.

But...maybe I'm wrong... :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

[cameron]

I never thought Vernon was that smart either . Always believed someone else came up with that idea and Vernon just agreed to it.
Like many things, I doubt we'll ever find the truth ; as the ones that know are dead.

[Broussey]

I don't think Graceland itself will be made in to a Disneyland ...I think possibly around the property might... so to move the graves would be so wrong..I think(n) and kinda disrespectful

[utmom2008]

I never thought Vernon was that smart either . Always believed someone else came up with that idea and Vernon just agreed to it.

That seems much more likely.....:blush::blink:

[Diane]

I'd never heard of this before about Vernon plotting to pretend graverobbers were trying to get to Elvis and I don't believe it for a second. I think this is more tabloid fodder...they will make up anything for a sensational story.

I really feel the graves should be left right where they are in the meditation garden. It's lit up and secure.

Diane

[Getlo]

I chatted with Ronnie Lee Adkins/Ron "Bear" Tyler a long time ago on AIM and asked him questions 'bout the attempted bodysnatching...he admitted to me that it was all set in motion by Vernon and that he (Adkins) and three others carried out the operation so....who knows what to believe?

I'd suggest that is crap.

These clowns are only covering for their own stupidity for a) attempting to snatch the body in the first place and b) getting caught.

Vernon was simply not that clever or Machiavellian to have perpetrated such a scheme.

And, if it was someone else who suggested it to him, does anyone really believe a still-grieving father would have said, "Yeah, try'n' dig up my boy so we can get him moved to Graceland".

Not in a million years.

[TotallyInsane]

I'd suggest that is crap.

These clowns are only covering for their own stupidity for a) attempting to snatch the body in the first place and b) getting caught.

Vernon was simply not that clever or Machiavellian to have perpetrated such a scheme.

And, if it was someone else who suggested it to him, does anyone really believe a still-grieving father would have said, "Yeah, try'n' dig up my boy so we can get him moved to Graceland".

Not in a million years.

Getlo,
I have to admit - sometimes you DO make a lot of sense!!!:D

[presley31]

I'd suggest that is crap.

These clowns are only covering for their own stupidity for a) attempting to snatch the body in the first place and b) getting caught.

Vernon was simply not that clever or Machiavellian to have perpetrated such a scheme.

And, if it was someone else who suggested it to him, does anyone really believe a still-grieving father would have said, "Yeah, try'n' dig up my boy so we can get him moved to Graceland".

Not in a million years.

l agree and excellent points (y)

[Getlo]

Getlo,
I have to admit - sometimes you DO make a lot of sense!!!:D

Change "sometimes" to "always", and you'd be right on the money. :D

[TotallyInsane]

Change "sometimes" to "always", and you'd be right on the money. :D

But, then I'd be lying!!! :D:D

[cameron]

And, if it was someone else who suggested it to him, does anyone really believe a still-grieving father would have said, "Yeah, try'n' dig up my boy so we can get him moved to Graceland".


Only if it was someone like Parker ;who unfortunately still had a lot of control over Vernon and making money .:hmm:

But, I still believe the graves should be left at Graceland.

[boogie]

He must rest in his fav. place, so let it be the way it is now

[Getlo]

Only if it was someone like Parker.

No. No way. Never. Ever.

Even if this supposed scheme was hatched so that the guys were meant to be caught, there is no way in hell that Vernon would have been a part of it.

Although the snatching was (thankfully) unsuccessful, the episode is still a rather undignified event that marks the aftermath of Elvis' death.

There are a lot of things one could say about vernon, but he would simply not have put his son's and Gladys' reputation through an episode like this.

Never.

Had the attempted snatching not gone ahead, Vernon would have kept trying to get special permission to move Elvis and Gladys to Graceland (which I am confident the city would have eventually agreed to, considering the large amount of fans who had already been hanging around the original gravesite).

And if that didn't happen, then he'd probably have arranged for more security at Forest Lawn, or another - separate and more secure - mausoleum on site.

[cameron]

No. No way. Never. Ever.

Even if this supposed scheme was hatched so that the guys were meant to be caught, there is no way in hell that Vernon would have been a part of it.

Although the snatching was (thankfully) unsuccessful, the episode is still a rather undignified event that marks the aftermath of Elvis' death.

There are a lot of things one could say about vernon, but he would simply not have put his son's and Gladys' reputation through an episode like this.

Never.

Had the attempted snatching not gone ahead, Vernon would have kept trying to get special permission to move Elvis and Gladys to Graceland (which I am confident the city would have eventually agreed to, considering the large amount of fans who had already been hanging around the original gravesite).

And if that didn't happen, then he'd probably have arranged for more security at Forest Lawn, or another - separate and more secure - mausoleum on site.

I obviously disagree .;)
But, the graves should remain at Graceland and left alone , IMO.

[Suzan]

I don't think Vernon was as stupid as some say, though def. not the smartest either...and I think he just mostly went along w/whatever Elvis wanted.

As for the body snatching scheme, maybe someone else did come up with it and Vernon went along, who knows...I just thought @ the time that it was rather convenient how they got caught and how 3 men who wanted to hold his remains for ransom could not have come up w/a better plan, you know?

But once again Getlo I have to admire your points and agree on much of them.:):D

[cameron]

I thought it was interesting that the charges were dropped .:P

[franny]

I don't think Vernon was as stupid as some say, though def. not the smartest either...and I think he just mostly went along w/whatever Elvis wanted.

As for the body snatching scheme, maybe someone else did come up with it and Vernon went along, who knows...I just thought @ the time that it was rather convenient how they got caught and how 3 men who wanted to hold his remains for ransom could not have come up w/a better plan, you know?

But once again Getlo I have to admire your points and agree on much of them.:):D


I agree, Suzan! (y)

Also, maybe Vernon wasn't booksmart, but I think he was a little sneaky, so you never know! True, he could have went along with it...who knows..:)

franny

[Suzan]

I agree, Suzan! (y)

Also, maybe Vernon wasn't booksmart, but I think he was a little sneaky, so you never know! True, he could have went along with it...who knows..:)

franny

Hi Franny! :D(y)

I think your very correct in that Vernon, I get feeling, could be a sneaky man and perhaps couldn't hatch the scheme himself but perhaps made mention to someone who could arrange it...(hmmm maybe Graceland's head of security? Just a thought)....

It is odd how they were conveniently "caught" before getting to their destination not very smart for 3 men who supposedly put this plan together...know what I mean? :)

[Getlo]

It is odd how they were conveniently "caught" before getting to their destination not very smart for 3 men who supposedly put this plan together...know what I mean? :)

There are plenty of i-d-i-o-t criminals out there.

http://stupidcriminalfile.blogspot.com/

http://www.dumbcriminals.com/

Remember, these guys were drunk, so there was no brilliant planning involved.

And I say again, no way Vernon would've been party to something so heinous.

[presley31]

There are plenty of i-d-i-o-t criminals out there.

http://stupidcriminalfile.blogspot.com/

http://www.dumbcriminals.com/

Remember, these guys were drunk, so there was no brilliant planning involved.

And I say again, no way Vernon would've been party to something so heinous.

l agree gelto(y)(y) I can't see vernon doing anything like that at all.

[franny]

No. No way. Never. Ever.

Even if this supposed scheme was hatched so that the guys were meant to be caught, there is no way in hell that Vernon would have been a part of it.

Although the snatching was (thankfully) unsuccessful, the episode is still a rather undignified event that marks the aftermath of Elvis' death.

There are a lot of things one could say about vernon, but he would simply not have put his son's and Gladys' reputation through an episode like this.

Never.

Had the attempted snatching not gone ahead, Vernon would have kept trying to get special permission to move Elvis and Gladys to Graceland (which I am confident the city would have eventually agreed to, considering the large amount of fans who had already been hanging around the original gravesite).

And if that didn't happen, then he'd probably have arranged for more security at Forest Lawn, or another - separate and more secure - mausoleum on site.

Yes, true. I didn't think about that part of it...:blush:
Vernon loved Elvis and Gladys too much to do something like that!

franny

[cameron]

There are a lot of things one could say about vernon, but he would simply not have put his son's and Gladys' reputation through an episode like this.

I'm not sure why you think this would hurt anyones reputation---except Vernons ,if discovered. :hmm:

I don't think many knew Vernon is all I can say. ;)

[utmom2008]

I'm not sure why you think this would hurt anyones reputation---except Vernons ,if discovered. :hmm:

I took that to mean their dignity ....if the bodies had been stolen it would have made the news much like a 3 ring circus would.(n)

[utmom2008]

I really feel the graves should be left right where they are in the meditation garden. It's lit up and secure.


I completely agree. It's also reflective, peaceful and Elvis is home.:blush::blink:

[cameron]

I took that to mean their dignity ....if the bodies had been stolen it would have made the news much like a 3 ring circus would.(n)

I guess I still don't understand. The body was not stolen but the story got out about the attempted theft. . It's why Vernon was able to get them moved.
No ones dignity was hurt but Vernon got what he wanted.
And, no I don't think that was a bad thing. IF he instigated it, good for him.

[Suzan]

There are plenty of i-d-i-o-t criminals out there.

http://stupidcriminalfile.blogspot.com/

http://www.dumbcriminals.com/

Remember, these guys were drunk, so there was no brilliant planning involved.

And I say again, no way Vernon would've been party to something so heinous.

True...

I am not sayng Vernon had anything to do w/it just posing a ?....because just as most things Elvis, we will never fully know the extent of the truth or lie of something to do w/his life and death. :)

It was his home....so yes he should remain.